Well then, if you wondered where I have been since Thursday night, the answer is – RELISHING the sour faces of the BBC and the rest of our supine pro EU media. I sat up all night to watch the results in the Referendum come flowing. Much wine was consumed! What joy. At first the BBC were determined to suggest that Newcastle and Sunderland were “outlier” results, and that the Remain vote would be better elsewhere. And the hours went by and their mood got gloomier! It was delicious to see them get sadder and sadder and even London could not safe the cause. And all the pro Remain shills they rolled in were in glorious denial until the point where it became obvious even to them that they had LOST and the UK had won. Superb.
Since then, the BBC is now leading the charge against “older people” for betraying the “yoof”! They are also hyping up the petulance from Brussels. It has been a fantastic 48 hours to watch these rabid Europhile shills having to face the fact that we are leaving their precious EU.
On a separate note, this will be my last post for three weeks. I am off to California tomorrow and will not be in a position to write for the subsequent three weeks. I am delighted to say that we have a few new moderators to cover things and help Alan in my absence. I wish them and you all the very best and for goodness sake let’s keep holding the BBC to account. They took a big blow on Thursday night and I predict much venom from them in the weeks ahead.
Until we next meet, BYE!
Young people with their silly hot headed petition for a referendum re-run and the BBC , now unshackled from its supposed duty to be impartial in the referendum campaign, are getting themselves worked into a lather. In doing so they are undermining the UK’s negotiating position. If we play diplomatic hard ball, then it is likely that we can force some useful compromises from the EU. Junker and Brussels will in time be very likely to be forced to compromise by those countries who export so much to us and offer us at least some of what we want. We can then decide if what we have been offered is enough to keep us in some form of associate membership. Our negotiating position on the back of the Brexit vote is strong. We are mightily strengthened by the growing tide of EU scepticism sweeping Europe. EU leaders will want to head this off at the pass if they can . The Brussels’ Federal Europe’ zealots want to do that by punishing the UK , making an example of us , even at the cost of lots of EU jobs ( we have repeatedly seen how they are willing to sacrifice the jobs of millions on the alter of their federalist dream) but the leaders of countries with high exports to the UK won’t want this and will be willing to offer us a deal.
But if young fools and the awful BBC keep banging away at the need for a second referendum on the worthless Cameron deal our position is weakened. Tell the yoof to shut up and wait, let the grown ups do their job and close down the anti British BBC.
I saw the solution to this problem on the BBC when Paxman visited a school debate. The debate was proceeded in an old fashioned intellectual civilised mature matter of fact manor. Paxman was surprised to tell us that the Brexit side won the debate. Probably by informing pupils about democracy and turning the children against the elitists with the realisation that with mass immigration, it is the young that suffer the most with immigrants taking jobs or undercutting young peoples wages and the needs of industry to train the young for a job, as well as producing housing shortages, and therefore pushing up house prices to the point were the young cannot get on the housing ladder.
I suppose that we can now stop this suicidally lunatic pro-EU propaganda, brainwashing children in our Schools, which successfully turns young people into supporters of the Globalist super rich elite. The harmful propaganda to make children love the Anti-Democratic European Union could be replaced by more harmless propaganda for loving the Self-Governing Commonwealth. The Queen would like that, and with David Cameron being replaced by Boris Johnson or Michel Gove, the young Liberal Fascists in London only have the super rich Globalists such as Goldman Sachs, the elite in the Civil Service, and members the House of Lords, on their side.
Richard Pinder
“pro-EU propaganda, brainwashing children in our Schools”.
You must have been having conversations with present day teachers ? I came to the same conclusion when discussing the EU debate in the local pub with them .
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3659091/The-day-quiet-people-stood-roared-RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-praises-spoken-EU-referendum-devastating-effect.html
Littlejohn speaks for us all.
Hence his name being a byword for hatred from the liberal left.
So his bit about Nigel in the article is moving and personal-their likes( as well as Melanie, Peter H etc) have long been abused, threatened and kicked out of work and toward the courtrooms more often than we have-and without cause.
Therefore the hatred and mockery aimed at them from the BBC and its puppets on “comedies”, quizzes and current affairs output has long been noted-and the volcano they`re stopping up will only blow them up all the hotter.
Richard quotes Chesterton…so here`s Rudyard…well as I recall it.
I dared not dig, I dared not rob
And so I lied to please the mob
Now all my lies have proved untrue
And so I face the men I slew
What tales will here protect me from
The angry and defrauded young?
From Edmund Burke to Allison Pearson(Telegraph today!) via Littlejohn and Orwell-don`t our lying left READ?
Because we do.
Might as well get selling those “Labour Isn`t Listening” T-shirts…guessing they read it of its on a boys chest at the Beeb.
“Where`s Nigel ” ones will be available when the fun starts….
Cameron has set up the standard answer of the EU to every set-back. Three months wait so that more goodies can be put on the table and another referendum can be called to give us the chance to give the “right” answer.
My bet is that “free movement will be restricted to Schengen countries” will be on offer, though it may not be binding after we “get it right”, any more than DC’s much trumpeted concessions won were actually binding on the EU.
The real reason is that Germany and France cannot afford to prop up their project without our money.
I wouldn’t be prepared to accept that. My concern is the ECJ being above our courts ,let alone the regulations coming out of Brussels in every area of life.
I wouldn’t put it past them too try it though.
I used to like the Red Arrows
Petition: Demand that Nigel Farageis is invloved in the EU exit negotiations
Withour Nigel Fragae there would have been no referendum. As such it is imperative that Nigel is part of the exit negotiations between the EU and Great Britain.…
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/140078/sponsors/i5LSKYJN3zBImGzPJZ1z
Please sign
Signed
signed
Have just signed it. Though I am not hopeful
Unfortunately the establishment and the left both absolutely hate him as he has a habit of coming out with the unpalatable truth. If he is part of the negotiation it will be far harder for an establishment fudge to happen, as he will “out it” before it has time to gain influence.
Whoever took on the job that Nigel did was bound to suffer all the hate and vitriol from the left and mainstream politicians who are always willing to exchange integrity for cheap popularity.
It is a testament to Nigels character that he has stood firm throughout all of this. Both he and his family definitely deserve our thanks for everything they have had to put up with for us.
Signed.
But I`m quite relaxed about it.
The chattering classes can affect to take the charabanc off us all-and pointedly pass Nigel over for being below the salt, a golf club bore, a coarse drunk-you know , all that shite they`ve thrown at him since 1992 and Maastrict.
But it`s NEW politics from now on-so to hear the likes of Grayling and Soubry discussing “Tory leadership candidates” as if we only had a brain freeze or rush of blood to the head on Thursday-and well settle for third rate bandwagon hoppers and those who trashed the very person of Boris or Michael, Priti or Gisela…well, they have failed-are finished-and totally fucked as people with any political purpose to the 17 Million.
Nigel is King across the Water in Kent-hoping the man`s getting some rest, and realises that our absent friends in Nice and Cornwall, Carlisle and Newry…all over this land and on holiday…we all KNOW how we got to here…and, flawed vain nitwit that he is…well we owe him big.
Accept no substitutes or safe alternatives to the Trinity…whoever the other two are, Nigel is pivotal to any tripod they hope to make.
And anyone who dares to freeze him out?…well it`ll hurt him but will enrage the rest of us…and he`ll see that we`re not settling for any settlement where he can`t write the history we`re going to get.
Petitions
UK Government and Parliament
We’re checking this petition
I clicked to sign it but got the floowing message:
“5 people have already supported Peter Robinson’s petition.
We need to check it meets the petition standards before we publish it.
Please try again in a few days.”
Dirty tricks brigade at work. We need to not lose our focus on this petition as the Evillers will stoop to anything to stop democracy.
This is what the above pot should have looked like:
I clicked to sign it but got the floowing message:
“5 people have already supported Peter Robinson’s petition.
We need to check it meets the petition standards before we publish it.
Please try again in a few days.”
Dirty tricks brigade at work. We need to not lose our focus on this petition as the Evillers will stoop to anything to stop democracy.
Democracy won, the oligarchy lost.
To Al Beeb and there rest who don’t like it – get over it, or get over the English Channel and live in Europe .
Simples.
Can anyone who has kept up with Manon’s “ignoranti” comments on here today tell me if “neoliberal” was in every message today, or was someone else on duty?
In one of the few I read he informed us that it was the “ignoranti” that voted Leave.
It takes one to know one?
I think it must be the cheap no VAT Polish vodka
Mallard – I think you will find that “neoliberal” was usually found alongside “Thatcher”. He must have picked it up in kindergarten.
Here is a video of Manon when he used to work for Benny Hill:
https://coub.com/view/149klebk
Reference “The Petition”
A 60% vote in favour on a 75% turnout to overturn the Leave decision seems a pretty fair term to slip into a future Act of Parliament.
Can you get 75% of Remainers out of bed to vote?
Petition for a new referendum now reaches almost two and a half million
I have just tried to sign the Nigel Farage petition only to get an HMG message saying they need to check the petition and to ‘try again in a few days’.
And yet somehow there is a petition calling for a referendum rerun that has over 2 million signatories and must have been started more or less the moment the result was announced?
I detect another government fix.
The 2nd referendum petition deadline is 25th Nov 2016. As petitions run for 6 months this means it was started around 25th May. A cumulative graph of signatures by date isn’t available but I think I can guess when the surge started. Funny how there was no insistence on the requirement for 60% of a 75% turnout before Friday morning.
Twitteryeanot, signed and passed on to lots of others
“referendum is “highly likely”.
So Sturgeon wants independence from a democracy to jump in to an European oligarchy. I find it hard to believe that ‘Scotland the Brave’ would ever let that happen.
The Scots , give up the security of this Island and our currency, and jump into an uncertain economy with a number of ‘dodgy’ nations ?
Any Scottish posters on this site ?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36629331
It’s quite possible, yes. The average voter up here doesn’t seem to give that sort of thing much thought if they’re told it will lead to independence.
I’d bet a fair few who’d vote Yes have signed the “second referendum” petition without thinking too hard what would happen if a 60% threshold were in place for Indyref2.
Roland Deschain
By the time the Scots get another referendum, the EU will have imploded. I would think that would focus their minds .
I detect the sound of panic in Sturgeon’s voice today .
Someone ought to poke her in the ribs and inform the silly girl that Scotland would have to buy the Euro. The Scottish are canny when it comes to money, no way would they vote for devaluation.
Old Bloke, it reminds me of the old joke about the Scotsman teaching his little son the value of money. He showed him a pound coin and a 50 pence piece. ‘Now son, which would ye like?’ ‘I’ll no be greedy, pa,’ said the small boy, picking up the pound coin, ‘So I’ll take this wee one.’ ‘Och son, I’m pleased you’re no greedy – and just for that, ye can have the big one instead.’
In Hertfordshire on June the 25th we have ice falling from the sky – going well this global warming.
It’s probably the sky falling in after the referendum. Expect the earthquake and volcanic eruption about lunchtime tomorrow.
Lobby the Lord was a remainer
Lock13, the hail you are seeing gives an indication as to how cold the upper atmosphere still is in June. If you are a meteorologist or even a climatologist, then one should somewhat concerned for our coming winter.
OB yes thx mate even in Summer the upper atmosphere is not warming . Seems like we are in the next 30 year period which is cold maybe we could get Roger Harribin on to explain to us all
Well, you would think that the youth of this country would be well pleased that we are going to be £10 Billion better off each year by retaining our net contribution to the E.U. We also send £2.5 Billion each year to the EU in VAT receipts. We are the largest VAT contributor per capita of all E.U. countries. I wonder how much of that £2.5 Billion we will keep within our borders? So shall we say we will be £11 Billion a year better off? And people are complaining about this and want a new referendum to give it all away? Are these people stark raving bonkers????
yep!
BBC Headlines You Are Unlikely To See–
“Many Remainers Now Wish They’d Voted Leave”
“Osborne Backs Down From Budget Threat”
“99.8% Of British Firms Not Transferring To Europe Post BREXIT”
“BREXIT A Victory For Democracy”
“The People Have Spoken. United We Stand”
“We The BBC Were Wrong And Apologise”
Al Beeb & Readers
Cast your minds back to last year.
Prior to the last general election Al Beeb tried its propaganda to get Millipede and the defunct Labour Party into power. It did not work. They tried it again in the lead up to the recent EU referendum.
It failed again . Well Al Beeb , “You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.” ‘lessons to be learned’?
SMILE at us, pay us, pass us; but do not quite forget.
For we are the people of England, that never have spoken yet.
There is many a fat farmer that drinks less cheerfully,
There is many a free French peasant who is richer and sadder than we.
There are no folk in the whole world so helpless or so wise.
There is hunger in our bellies, there is laughter in our eyes;
You laugh at us and love us, both mugs and eyes are wet:
Only you do not know us. For we have not spoken yet.
The fine French kings came over in a flutter of flags and dames.
We liked their smiles and battles, but we never could say their names.
The blood ran red to Bosworth and the high French lords went down;
There was naught but a naked people under a naked crown.
And the eyes of the King’s Servants turned terribly every way,
And the gold of the King’s Servants rose higher every day.
They burnt the homes of the shaven men, that had been quaint and kind.
Till there was not bed in a monk’s house, nor food that man could find.
The inns of God where no main paid, that were the wall of the weak,
The King’s Servants ate them all. And still we did not speak.
And the face of the King’s Servants grew greater than the King:
He tricked them, and they trapped him, and stood round him in a ring.
The new grave lords closed round him, that had eaten the abbey’s fruits,
And the men of the new religion, with their bibles in their boots,
We saw their shoulders moving, to menace or discuss,
And some were pure and some were vile, but none took heed of us.
We saw the King as they killed him, and his face was proud and pale;
And a few men talked of freedom, while England talked of ale.
A war that we understood not came over the world and woke
Americans, Frenchmen, Irish; but we knew not the things they spoke.
They talked about rights and nature and peace and the people’s reign:
And the squires, our masters, bade us fight; and never scorned us again.
Weak if we be for ever, could none condemn us then;
Men called us serfs and drudges; men knew that were were men.
In foam and flame at Trafalgar, on Albeura plains,
We did and died like lions, to keep ouselves in chains.
We lay in living ruins; firing and fearing not
The strange face of the Frenchman who know for what they fought,
And the man who seemed to be more than man we strained against and broke;
And we broke our own right with him. And still we never spoke.
Our patch of glory ended; we never heard guns again.
But the squire seemed struck in the saddle; he was foolish, as if in pain.
He leaned on a staggering lawyer, he clutched a cringing Jew,
He was stricken; it may be, after all, he was stricken at Waterloo.
Or perhaps the shades of the shaven men, whose spoil is in his house,
Come back in shining shapes at last to spil his last carouse:
We only know the last sad squires ride slowly towards the sea,
And a new people takes the land: and still it is not we.
They have given us into the hand of new unhappy lords,
Lords without anger and honour, who dare not carry their swords.
They fight by shuffling papers; they have bright dead alien eyes;
They look at our labour and laughter as a tired man looks at flies.
And the load of their loveless pity is worse than the ancient wrongs,
Their doors are shut in the evening; and they know no songs.
We hear men speaking for us of new laws strong and sweet,
Yet is there no man speaketh as we speak in the street.
It may be we shall rise the last as Frenchmen rose the first,
Our wrath come after Russia’s wrath and our wrath be the worst.
It may be we are meant to mark with our riot and our rest
God’s scorn for all men governing. It may be beer is best.
But we are the people of England; and we have not spoken yet.
Smile at us, pay us, pass us. But do not quite forget.
G. K. Chesterton
I haven’t read that for many a year. Thank you Thoughtful, simply wonderful.
Thanks thoughtful…Richard Littlejohn quotes a few lines from this (The Secret People 1907?)-so it`s great to see the whole lot.
Reckon both GK and George as well as Rudyard are going to make a comeback very soon.
I just wonder how many of the remainers clamouring for a second referendum have read that? Sat here on a Sunday morning the sunlight throwing shadows through the trees and reading that whole poem has sent a shiver down my spine and brought a moistness to my eyes. Thank you Thoughtful.
Did any of the airhead celebs in the Remain camp say they would leave the UK if Leave won? I know they only do that sort of thing to seek attention and never intend to see it through, Lilly Savage is just one example, but it would be interesting to know.
If Bob Geldof is wondering where he should stick his knighthood I have an idea.
Sir Bob ‘edgy in a 1970’s sort of way’ Geldof can’t leave the UK as he’s looking after a large number of Syrian migrants in his homes.
I’m sure he must be, he did faithfully promise this to us all very publicly back in September last year.
Maybe all these Syrians are now being looked after by Muslim families in the UK? It would be the natural thing to do and very compatible with a peaceful religion.
The BBC are great friends of Sir Bob. What does ‘luvvie’ mean?
Brexit is leading to Global warming
http://insideclimatenews.org/news/24062016/brexit-sparks-worry-about-fate-global-climate-action-britain-european-union
And how long before the terrors of the Millennium Bug come back c/o the BBC?
You vote Remain?…well, let us tell you….31st December 1999 at 11.59pm?….well that will be as NOTHING compared to the new mutated and ever-so scary NEW version of this killer bug.
Think on before you vote to leave…Roger Harrabin and Chris Packham are already working on the Bugge Bruxelles.
Did I read somewhere that Julian Assange wanted us to Leave the EU?…ah well, we`ll have to adopt HIM now…but so be it.
Can`t imagine he was able to go down to Belgravia Primary to cast his vote-have to be a postal one I expect.
Al Beeb telling us about the ‘petition ‘, its now up to 2.5 million .
Obviously the 2.5 million are the losers that failed in a democratic vote, to remain in the ‘oligarchy’.
Is that unique IP addresses or are 2 million from Tower Hamlets and Islington?
Of these fictional two and a half million 353,988 have British I.P. addresses…..Something that the rotten to the core BBC wont tell you…
https://twitter.com/OrderOfTheNeet/status/746713487305506817
You do have to remember that this was a snapshot taken well before the total reached 2.5 million. It is taken from the data link I posted earlier & shows that around 14% originated abroad.
It still doesn’t signify a conspiracy, people are away from home on holiday, or working away and are entitled to sign !
They are also the 2.5 million losers who now realise that they could have voted on Thursday, if they had thought it important enough.
Yes, I’m thinking of starting a petition demanding that the cup final and the Derby are staged again as I wasn’t happy with the result of either.
Umm… whatever they were.
Me to , I wasn’t happy with today’s result in New Zealand.
I believe Frankie Detori scored in extra time, GC – but don’t quote me.
And don`t forget the 180,000 held captive in the mud at Glasto last Thursday.
Unable to hear the alarm bells to vote due to loud music, epilepsy and other strobe induced disorientations…and those headphones they clamp to their heads lest the brain roll out of an ear.
Think Adele sent out 180,000 postal votes to stay in during one of her songs tonight..via some cannon type thing and into the crowd.
So thats now 360,000 new found votes to stay in.
AND…if we include all those who work at Glasto-voluntary types, all in need of a vote as they leave the site…well I reckon there`s at least half a million votes there(including cars parked, cattle and sheep in nearby fields).
Basically Remain won…so that`ll do me.
Someone really needs to explain to the “progressive” left how democracy works. If you lose, you do not get to stamp your feet and say “It’s not fair, I want another go and I want to decide the rules”. Petulant youth that has never been told “No” and egged on by the BBC.
Are you saying our youth are spoilt ? 🙂
Just watched Evan Davies prompting Duncan Carswell to talk out of the side of his mouth while shafting Nigel Farage’s potential position within any future hierarchy. What a snidey, petty arsehole he is to hold a grudge against the man who gifted him his current status, and all because Farage had the temerity to tell the truth about HIV tourism. Yes, Carswell’s father was involved in HIV research, but what that has to do with unprincipled scroungers taking massive financial advantage of a system that is obligingly open to abuse is a mystery to me.
Carswell was busy shafting Nigel during the referendum count, bashing his for his ‘nativist’ poster.
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nypd-investigating-palestinian-muslim-captain-cheating-article-1.2576884
NYPD investigating first Palestinian Muslim captain for cheating on promotions exam
Never ends does it ?
Sky news has reported that David Lamy MP is claiming that thr EU referendum is consultational and still has to be voted on by parliament.
I like that, sums it up so neatly.
Good Joel-nice to “amend the narrative”
To “give it its fuller context”
Time to fight back-thought we`d have longer….but the BBC never rest, nor did Gramsci or Lenin.
Just playing the Frankfurt School at its own game.
The more I hear from the liberal elite and their neuroses and slaggings, the angrier I`m entitled to get from now on.
1. http://www.callyournan.com/
The above story came on the same day as this one
2.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3659308/Platell-s-People-Little-Ellie-secret-courts-blood-hands.html
Point-some kids never grow up to “call their nana” because the Human Rights lobby with their Hoggs, their Mansfields and their Booths don`t require it…I mean…hardly Jo Cox is it now?
In the light of such stories-whether Farage is in or out is supremely irrelevant to me…he`s NEVER been in with them-but he`ll forever be with us( file under Robinson T).
As to the ” Scottish Referendum” crap-STFU, media gobshites!
It`s Highland mist until you give us the figures and impracticality of Sturgeon to go anywhere but “Cap In Hand” to The EU or Westminster….
And as to that “Second Referendum”?…apparently only 50 poppets showed up to the Pro-EU demo in Parliament today…by the time the Observer have multiphoto`d it, there`ll be hundreds of thousands …BBC probably using a fly-eye lens to show us all the mass of kids who attended today.
Also-only 36% of the 18-24 age group went out to vote on Thursday…but there is over a MILLION signatures on the online petition for that?….even when you automatically include those two days of free registering of kids who “forgot to sign up to vote, and then the computer crashed, and then the site disappeared,,,,etc and wh`evvas!”
Therefore the last two stories are liberal BBC crocks…confections to wind us up, stir them up.
They need to be careful, very careful.
Quintin Hoggs daughter needs to explain why “call your nan” is a political slogan, but not any proof of evidence when a judge sentences a kid to death-when capital crimes deserve capital sentences, even when the EU forbids it.
Which is why we left…oh, and the EU will be discussing Turkish visa requests and their new Modelle Army this week.
What a joy to know we don`t need to care any more…
No, it`s NOT business as usual.
Peter Oborne calls some things right…but he seems to think that now that UKIP “served their purpose” then we can all go back to caring about whether Boris or Michael should be our next “leader”.
Sorry-but we`re not Tories…we are now Brexit-full blooded, red in tooth and claw-and if anybody thinks now that IDS.Grayling or (God forbid) May will “do for us”-they can f***off!
Our new deal includes Digby and Mick Cash, John Mann and Gisela now…the tribal twats are toasted.
They either were with us or against us…and those who kept their own counsel are fine.
It`s the traitors and fainthearts-luvvies and lotus eating lollards that are beyond the pale.
Bit rough eh?
Well no-we didn`t do what we did last Thursday, only to let the BBC “queer it” “corkscrew it into a spitball for Soubry, Rudd or Hodge.
Let the BBC share their fetid tents with suchlike…but I`ll say this.
The willingness to put the traitors up to “warn of a Scottish Referendum”…to “demand a Border Poll” in Ulster…are truly evil at the moment-for nothing is settled and they rather hope to exploit the uncertainly to right their bleeding shipwreck of fools. Just for themselves as before.
No-my history tells me what British authorities thought-indeed what they DID-to Irish opportunists who used Hitler and the Kaiser to cover their treachery…and at least THEY didn`t have the BBC to grease their palms and arseholes for them.
We just pay the arseholes these days-and the SNP need to know that this new settlement isn`t done yet-and until it is, they need to cease and desist, even when BBC Scotland crave something to remind us that we`re the losers that we were until Thursday 6.59am.
Leanne Wood?…the only Celtic fake they`ve NOT asked yet re “leaving the UK and screwing up our economy”
Adele sounds like an Outer…hope so anyway!
Bbbcs relentless bias toward the e.u. shows no sign of ending. I hope that amongst the good folk of this site we can at least arrange a new petition to end the licence fee, and even better a march or gathering, joining with people of similar opinions and other sites, to end the biased bbbc. I offer myself as some sort of organiser(im a keen novice) we have to get this done!
Brett
Forget the petition to end the licence fee – Just privatise it .
Its time that there was a judicial inquiry into the conduct of Al Beeb and its about time the Tory government got that sorted.
I think the Tory Government have no balls . Never forget it was UKIP and Nigel Farage that got us the referendum .
Virtually all non-news programme production for the BBC is now outsourced anyway. The good programmes (Wolf Hall) etc. are outsourced and jointly funded with other broadcasters. They’re most of the way to privatisation already. It’s the news behemoth that needs cutting down more than anything.
Wee Jimmy Krankie and her whinging cohorts are desperately unhappy. Well, there’s a surprise!
The SNP, so keen (apparently) on their independence, are once again contemplating leaving the UK so that they can continue to be run by Brussels. There’s a really peculiar form of logic at work here. But, of course, this is the SNP we’re talking about. I remember yonks ago, when Alex Salmond was their leader, he went around preaching about a “proud and independent nation,” and when asked about currency he told us they would join the Euro. He’s not said that in a while!
Some members of the Scottish parliament have said things that have had me rolling. “Britain is becoming increasingly xenophobic,” I’ve just heard. Really? Clearly this is severe sour grapes due to the vote we Brits have just made to try to become a functioning democracy one more.
I suggest that if you really want to see knuckle dragging xenophobia in action try being an Englishman living in Scotland.
I don’t think the Scottish result is massively different: 500,000 on a 3,000,000 turnout.
if you really want to see knuckle dragging xenophobia in action try being an Englishman living in Scotland.
Or a Jewish supporter of Israel!
Pantomime season just keeps starting earlier each year, Sturgeon doing what Sturgeon does best, looking after Sturgeon. She knows fine well an independent Scotish/EU deal is a constitutional impossibility without radical change, the sort of change Spain, among others would not be keen on. She is however making all the right noises with what is an uncertain future ahead, if the apocalypse does happen she can claim she ran a succesful campaign, which she did, and then further tried to negotiate with the EU but was denied by Brussels. Back covered.
What the SNP has demonstrated is that paradigm shifts in domestic politics can be made, I’m hoping the right person can rise up and take advantage of the momentum already gained, strike while the iron is hot and really take the country forward without so much as a backward glance.
This is Mark Steyn’s view on Brexit.
All that sweat, all those blisters, all that grunting, panting and effort running all those marathons.
Poor Eddie Izzard in the end will be remembered as that prat with the red hat and lipstick! I can hardly contain my sorrow.
This just in! John McEnroe’s wife has just issued an official statement to the European Union on the United KIngdom’s behalf.
A view of Brexit which differs considerably from that of most of us on here.
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/06/how-britain-was-broken
My heart bleeds for the little boy who wrote that. All say Ahh. Ahhhhhh. Ahhhhh. Hahahaha.
That’s two minutes of my life I won’t get back. It’s also full of spelling and grammatical errors.
Ta Mr Shubtil.
I get copies of assorted Socialist Party tracts sent to me , as well as staying up to date with deep Green magazines…both if which I used to subscribe to…but get them gratis these days, maybe due to inertia or old principles that they still hold for my conversion or such.
Same old rabid wheels stuck in the mud..but reminds me of all I now need to fight-as well as (being honest) their persistence, purity of principle(theoretical-but there are STILL good writers, and honourable people to be read)…and their faith in the long haul, their direction of travel.
So to read the “enemy” is always of value…can`t remember who the philosopher was that said “The truth lies not in the middle…but at both extremes”-so there is always deep stuff to be found where the Far Right Libertarians meets the Far Left Communists…so being offered a Nicki Morgan or a Jeremy Hunt will NEVER do for me.
Al Beeb and the MSM failed in their propaganda and lost the referendum.
Now they will get spiteful and deliberately talk down the British economy. If I was an investor I would be very concerned about the EU . It is inevitable that the EU will collapse like a house of cards in the coming months as Germany will be its the main financial contributor.
BBC/Sky vox pops always seem to be including the customarily epithetted immigrant pouting and taking Brexit as a personal insult. Angry Poles say they will never take to the air again in their Spitfires to save Britsin. If they buy into the BBC”s reconstituted history project no wonder they are confused. Polish pilots in WWIi were not fighting for the greater glory of the British Empire. They wanted to hit back at Hitler and free Poland. Their support for Britain was a means to an end. They are now in Britain for their own personal benefit. Some are saying that if the pound falls, the value of the money they are transferring to Poland will drop to such an extent that it will no longer worthwhile working here.
“Benefits To Blame For Brexit: Dutch Minister”
Its our fault all the immigrants are coming here – Not on Al Beeb yet ………
http://news.sky.com/story/1717464/benefits-to-blame-for-brexit-dutch-minister
Well the Dutch Minister is right on the nail here, IMO. It is the persistent failure of our past governments to deal with our benefits problem that has gone such a way to damaging this country.
I am fully in favour of a benefits system that protects people from the real effects of poverty, brought about by illness, disability or sudden loss of work.
However, I do not believe the benefits system should be there to protect people who choose not to work. I know a few people like this, and I don’t know that many people! If they choose not to work when there are jobs available, then that is their problem, not ours.
Of course, if millions of immigrants can come in, perfectly willing to survive on below minimum wages, then how can we compete with that? The richer countries need to have some control of this, which is where freedom of movement (which I am generally in favour of) needs to be under the control of each countries government, if it chooses. The ‘one size fits all’ EU approach is too dictatorial and does not take into account real differences between countries of the EU. If we want to pass a law that says to employers “employing foreign workers on your farm is fine, but we are going to have an extra 10% of employers National Insurance on top for you” – then I think we should be able to do so. That is what real sovereignty means – being able to control your own borders to the benefit of your population.
EU laws prevent us making laws as we choose to control our domestic situation. The left are all too quick to shout ‘xenophobe’ but I do not care. It is not xenophobic to sensibly manage your economy. It is just bloody good sense! The left are just school bullies – shouting insults and spitting at anyone who strays from their fixed idea of conformity.
Because I don’t give my neighbours a front door key to my house, that does not make me ‘neighbour-phobic’, it just means I exercise good sense and choose which neighbour I give a key too.
……Some are saying that if the pound falls, the value of the money they are transferring to Poland will drop to such an extent that it will no longer worthwhile working here. ……….
Oh please God, let the pound fall further !
When we leave EU properly I’d like to see a bloody big tax on these money changers! If you want to work here you should benefit our economy. I propose that if you want to send £500 to your “home” country it costs you an additional £500 in tax that can be spent locally! That will sort the people who are proud to work in Britain from those who only come to fleece us for all they can get.
If David Lammy does not respect a democratic vote, then we could equally easily ignore the democratic vote that got him elected to parliament in the first place.
Socialist double standards are immune to wear and tear.
Lammy seems hell bent on starting another riot.
That would be David “13 Points Mastermind” Lammy?
His career in politics is about as successful as his Mastermind performance.
I hope his new career in music hall is more successful:
Lammy, Lammy,
The EU’s least, the UK’s best,
The Brussels mob have all ‘gone west’
Lammy, Lammy
He’d walk a million miles
To escape those Brexiters’ smiles!
(With apologies to Al Jolson)
http://heatst.com/uk/how-the-bbc-has-backed-the-remain-campaign/
http://heatst.com/uk/bbc-presenter-caught-peddling-eu-myth/
Unbelievable Mike – My missus just told me that and now I read your post .
THE BBC is funded by the EU – let’s write it out clearly for everybody.
It is all over Facebook too so BBC we know what has/is going on
Ahhhhh, that feels better… Just sent a disparaging text to B-BBC Radio 5 Live, wonder if Nicky Cambellends blood pressure has risen any yet! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
The Andrew ‘ Wrong about everything’ Marr show is on later can’t wait to see the little short arsed turd today. What wonder’s have you for us this week matey ? Do we have music from the Burkina faso LGBT to draw the show to a nice close?
Just checked the start to see that Pretty Polly Toynbee is on Marr’s sofa. What in god’s name do they think this jaded, spiteful, prejudiced and deeply ignorant woman can possibly offer to the debate?
The BBC seem to believe that writing for the Guardian confers some sort of automatic status. Pathetic.
The number 1 suckalemon on channel lemonsucker 1
She is being allowed to open with a lie about the young vote – no challenge . Polly represents the views of nobody so why is she a columnist and broadcaster ?
And Nigel NEVER said £350 million a week would go to the NHS
more lies going unchallenged from the sour faced old ratbag
I clearly remember Mr Farage admitting long before the referendum that he didn’t like the use of the £350m figure because it was so open to interpretation, but that he stuck with it because it showed the amount of money that the UK would have power of decision over. It is absolutely incredible that journalists can now attempt to say he was misleading people and lying, when there must be documentary evidence to the contrary. Even in ‘1984’ they burnt all the old newspapers before attempting to lie about the past – nowadays they can do it without even bothering to do that!
Beltane,
Dear old Polly is on because the BBC, the Guardian et al will/are mounting a combined offensive on behalf of Remain. They will be doing everything they can to foment trouble with Scotland , N Ireland, Yoof, the City , the EU at large etc etc. This will go on for weeks, months and possibly years. They will attempt to do as much damage as possible to Britain’s renegotiation. In part this is just sour grapes, in part because the worse things are, the more they can say we told you so, and in part because at all costs they must stop Brexit being a success in the years ahead. This anti British behaviour cannot go unchallenged by the new government . The Guardian can be as spiteful and anti British as they like, we don’t pay for them. But the country is paying for the BBC and we LF payers are surely due a BBC which, far from being unbiased on the negotiations, takes a very pro British stance on this critical issue. I realise that there is no chance of the BBC ever being pro British, particularly when we have just slaughtered one of their many leftist sacred cows. So the time has come for the government to step in and kill off the BBC in the best interests of the country. A lot of white working class former Labour voters will support such a move as they can now see how the BBC has connived with Labour for years to do them down.
Of course DT, all you say is true. What we should, and must, take comfort from is that while the daily circulation of the Sun can be rounded up to 1,800,00 and the Mail to 1,600,000, the much vaunted Guardian retains an entirely pedestrian 165,000.
This is why the BBC spends so much time promoting the navel-gazing rag, they see it as reflecting ‘proper values’ and ‘informed opinion’ while the reality is that it simply reflects the immense gulf between the liberal elite and the English people, as evidenced by the circulation of their two most despised and frequently derided titles.
The only discussion I would like to hear between Polly and the BBC is what, in the light of the EU referendum campaign and result, they make of her grandfather Arnold J Toynbee’s words about sovereignty:
“If we are frank with ourselves, we shall admit that we are engaged on a deliberate and sustained and concentrated effort to impose limitations upon the sovereignty and independence of the fifty or sixty local sovereign independent States which at present partition the habitable surface of the earth and divide the political allegiance of mankind.
“It is just because we are really attacking the principle of local sovereignty that we keep on protesting our loyalty to it so loudly. The harder we press our attack upon the idol, the more pains we take to keep its priests and devotees in a fool’s paradise—lapped in a false sense of security which will inhibit them from taking up arms in their idol’s defense. The local national state, invested with the attributes of sovereignty—is an abomination of desolation standing in the place where it ought not. It has stood in that place now—demanding and receiving human sacrifices from its poor deluded votaries—for four or five centuries. Our political task in our generation is to cast the abomination out, to cleanse the temple and to restore the worship of the divinity to whom the temple rightfully belongs. In plain terms, we have to re-transfer the prestige and the prerogatives of sovereignty from the fifty or sixty fragments of contemporary society to the whole of contemporary society—from the local national states by which sovereignty has been usurped, with disastrous consequences, for half a millennium, to some institution embodying our society as a whole.
“In the world as it is today, this institution can hardly be a universal Church. It is more likely to be something like a League of Nations. I will not prophesy. I will merely repeat that we are at present working, discreetly but with all our might, to wrest this mysterious political force called sovereignty out of the clutches of the local national states of our world. And all the time we are denying with our lips what we are doing with our hands…”
(“The Trend of International Affairs Since the War,” International Affairs, November 1931, p. 809)
Stella, Spot on. Polly is very definitely following in her grandad’s globalist footsteps.
Well of course she is DT. She must have said, what is it, about 125 years ago now: ‘There’s a career for me in grandad’s tome. I may never need to work again.’
Vile people.
Carwyn on Al Beeb Wales this morning telling us Taffs, that the opinion he picked up on the doorsteps last week was that it was not about Brexit but about people wanting to give the Torys a kicking.
No Carwyn , you are still not listening to us, it was about getting democracy back and stemming the ‘swarm’ of immigration.
Taff -Where’s thick as pig shit Leanne fearless leader of the Welsh is she hiding behind her latest bullshit ?
Lock13
She’s Rooting for truffles in a field of leeks . 🙂
Best place for her
Isn’t it strange how a country which, according to some over the years, is of no real importance any more, can stir up such a hornets’ nest simply by having an internal referendum?
It’s not like we’ve nuked somebody.
We could though Maria if we wanted to
I don’t like Brussels either, but that’s taking it a bit far.
On the other hand …..
Can we nuke Tony Blair he doesn’t get it does he . Still lying and scaremongering. Tone we weren’t listening last week why come on and peddle the same bullshit
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/36619203/vote-remain-this-is-how-not-to-be-a-sore-brexit-loser
Irony ?
Taff – a mate at work said Robbie leaving Take That was bigger than Brexit
Labour Party in turmoil as it realises Corbyn is a loser. Didn’t anyone tell them before? Let’s hope he clings to power and the Labour Party bumps along like the Keystone cops wagon.
Steve Jones
The Labour party are in turmoil because they gave up listening to the honest working class people of Great Britain a long time ago.
They are still not listening .
My personal view is that Nicola Sturgeon after all this sabre rattling will go very quiet on a Scottish referendum. She know’s she could be out of a job very quickly here – nobody buys her bullshit either , give Scots the vote UK or EU? is a very different vote and I suspect landslide for staying with UK. She is paralysed but drunk on power and has been tied up by her own crap.
Hahah she is mad she doesn’t automatically think she would have to adopt the EURO , oh she will not answer that one blah blah – Wee Jimmie you can’t keep GBP
FANDABEEDOZEE
Mike Hunt at 07:15.
When all the dust settles the bbc might wake up one morning to find its wings somewhat clipped. In my view they are just as guilty for the failure of remain as Corbyn.
People are not fools, they can see when they are being led – carefully measured, choreographed announcements, 1 per day, as if it was from some sort of grotesque medicine bottle. In the rush to inflict their liberal views on the population, the only people who failed to see it were the bbc themselves !
The obsession with polls – desperate to convince themselves, as much as anyone else, that remain were going to win. They talked the remainers into thinking it was in the bag and ultimately lowered the perceived risk to an extent that, in all likelihood, reduced the need to actually go out and put pencil to paper.
We’ve had ‘Project Fear’. Now we’re getting ‘Project Bad Loser.’ There was more gloom and doom on the BBC last night. We had a report from the heaven-on-earth that is Leicester. Very upset well spoken young Remainers were interviewed sitting at outdoor cafes during a choir festival. Leavers, by contrast, were shifty looking young men on a council estate (with flag of St George visible in the distance) who admitted they never normally voted in elections.
A man I’ve never heard of was interviewed in the City of London saying that a lot of banks would shut up shop and leave.
Then we had the hilarious spectacle of a Scottish Labour MP saying he supported independence for Scotland, because England had become ‘too nationalistic’!
Cramer
Or another SNP nonentity complaining he finds the “trickle-down xenophobia in England” shocking.
I find the SNP’s anti-english racism shocking.
It’s like having tinnitus, and at the same time being forced to sit next to someone with Tourette’s.
The thing is, it’s also counter productive for Scotland. I know so many people, some with relatives in Scotland, who are sick and tired of the constant stream of abrasive remarks. As a consequence, they have stopped listening to what Scotland has to say.
Wales does it better.
Maria,
You are right and you should hear some of the things they say in private. It gives the impression that Scots are a narrow-minded , parochial people. While that is true of most SNPers in my experience, it is not true of most of us, I hope !
‘It’s like having tinnitus, and at the same time being forced to sit next to someone with Tourette’s.’
Maria, that really made me laugh!
Sturgeon has just said she doesnt want a border between england and scotland,and that independence for Scotland isnt her starting point…..
Has someone been having a word in her ear overnight???
No 6,
But the english may want border controls with Scotland !
Too f***ing right we would!!, particularly if Scotland became part of Schengan – not that i think that any of it will happen, considering she has to get the agreement of the Prime Minister (as well as her own people) who may not be in the mood for such a diversion during the forthcoming challenging times.
Martin Mcguiness ditto (however we may have to face the prospect of a bomb or two going off to underline his side of any debate)
I recommend watching this morning’s edition of The Marr Show. Andrew Marr is trying to come over all statesman-like and position himself as a unifying force in a divided nation. The newspaper review is great. Tim Montgomerie is a Brexit rose between the bitter and spiteful Remain thorns of Polly Toynbee and Laura Kuennsberg. If Laura gets her knickers in any more of a twist she will cut the circulation off to her legs. As for Toynbee, that woman is beneath contempt. She still does not get it and was incredibly insulting to old people. Do watch it and enjoy.
I chuckled at Marr’s opening line: “My only neutral, BBC thought is this..”
Oh the irony!
Just a thought……wouldnt it be hilarious if labour had a leadership election and corbyn got re-elected?
I would laugh myself silly
We are now in severe danger of Corbyn becoming PM by default with an extremely left-wing Shadow Cabinet. The Conservatives will struggle to get re-elected due to their own split and the BBC will push Corbyn’s stupid, spiteful and evil policies for all their worth.
Delete Shadow
Corbyn is unelectable and they know it
If the BBC isn’t careful it will create a situation where we have a Labour Party and a Tory Party that are both unelectable. They already know that the disaffected voters will turn to UKIP, so do they really want Nigel in number 10?
Kinnochio jnr was full of doom and gloom on Al Beeb Wales this morning. Rumours about Tata Steel buyers pulling out of possible deal because of Brexit .
The first step our independent nation should take is to offer assistance with Energy Costs to prospective buyers .
Tata have been calling it for for some time. Also all government projects and contracts should source their supplies from home producers of steel .
I’m still waiting for George ‘please don’t find me’ Osborne’s Project Fear Budget.
And the sky hasn’t fallen in.
And Project Fear’s WW3 hasn’t started.
Let’s tick the rest off as we progress through the week, shall we?