What did David Kelly think of the Iraq Intelligence Dossier?
‘I had no doubt about the veracity of it (the Dossier) was absolute….It is an accurate document, I think it is a fair reflection of the intelligence that was available and it’s presented in a very sober and factual way….it is well written.’
“I was personally sympathetic to the war because I recognised from a decade’s work the menace of Iraq’s ability to further develop it’s non-conventional weapons programmes…..We were 100% certain that Saddam had a biological weapons programme.”
I do not feel “deep unease” over the dossier because it is completely coincident with my personal views on Iraq’s unconventional weapons capability.
John Humphrys, that renowned scientist and weapons expert thought, and thinks, differently…as did the BBC’s head legal advisor…..
The BBC’s most senior lawyer has criticised the Hutton report as being “biased”.
Glenn del Medico said the inquiry into the death of Government weapons adviser David Kelly and the role of the BBC in the scandal had been a “dreadful waste of time”.
“It’s unfortunate that Lord Hutton made such a biased report. He got it wrong, but then judges don’t always get it right.”
The BBC hated Hutton, hated Butler but love Chilcott…wonder why…..floor’s yours….
Miss Kitty ……….”Totally OT but I cannot find any mention in the media of an event that happened 11 years ago today. The bombings that took place on the transport system of London on the 7th July 2005 ”
Andrea Leadsome opened her speech with a remembrance of them, to her credit.
An important point well made. But to keep on bringing up the atrocity perpetrated by our ‘ home grown’ muslim terrorists, threatens the BBC/Labour/Cameron, narrative , that the UK is the most successful multi faith, multi ethnic society on earth. Many of know that whilst other ‘mixed’ societies are in worse shape than ours , we are slowly following them down the path to inter group strife and violence . How can the PM possibly stand in the H of C and claim world leadership for the UK when we have so many examples of mass rape of white girls by Muslim men, and the suspicion that there are many more unreported by the authorities and of course covered up by the BBC et al. This epidemic of Muslim rape gangs is now mirrored all over our continent . It is as plain as a pike staff that Islam is totally incompatible with modern western values. How can a society which willingly accepts homosexuality tolerate a religion that advocates and practises the killing of homosexuals. The same goes of course for the rights of women.
Commentators wonder why the public has lost faith in political leaders. Some say in the UK that it is due to BLIAR , some say the expenses scandal. It is true that Bliar lied to us about immigration, the Iraq war, the NHS , education, devolution and so on and so on, and was the worst PM we have had in my life, beating Brown due longevity. But I think that both in the UK and across the continent , it is because the liberal left establishment , the politicians and the media, are all ignoring the please of their people not to have their countries swamped by people and cultures that they simply don’t want and that they fear will lead to bloody disaster. Mass migration is irreversible , once the migrants are here they stay. Has any country in Europe ever had a referendum on whether the people were happy to have millions of Muslims in their midst? Of course not . Yet the politicians keep forcing this policy on their people. Why should people not be angry with their leaders and seek new leaders who will do what they want and free them from fear?
Whoever drove Kelly to his death?
What weighting do we give the role of the BBC in this?
Were they MORE OR LESS culpable of manslaughter that was Geoff Hoon, Andrew McKinley and Alistair Campbell etc-that Red Ragtag and Bobtail that coalesced to destroy this nation …and very nearly did so.
Who was more guilty…the BBC or Labour?
No further questions yer honour.
Only one aside-who the hell is this Glenda Medico…and how does the BBC have a “top lawyer”.
They can`t even match a Coleman, Rozenberg or even Clive Anderson of Bob Mortimer re “legal authority”…yet Humphrys DARES to assume he has some authority to say all this.
Appalling-and if ever a State Propelled Liberal Fascist Bloc needed its balls n panties stuffed back into its hellhole of a culture, then its the BBC.
David Kellys life will not have been totally wasted if he gets THAT vindication at least…Gilligans Aisle now open for checking.
Kelly was a middle-ranking civil servant who was not senior enough to have been exposed to questioning by the Foreign Affairs Committee. He was hung out to dry by the Labour Mafia and his superiors at the MoD stood by and watched – under orders, maybe?
You probably remember Dr Kelly’s main contention, which became the centrepiece of my BBC story – that a government dossier making the case against Iraq had been “transformed” at the behest of Downing Street and Alastair Campbell “to make it sexier”, with the “classic example” being the insertion in the final week of a claim, based on a single source, that Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction could be deployed within 45 minutes. The intelligence services were unhappy about the 45-minute claim, David said. They believed it was unreliable. In the first of my 18 broadcasts on the story, I added a claim, mistakenly attributing it to David, that the Government probably knew the 45-minute claim was wrong.
What we now know is that at precisely the same moment as the Government was launching hysterical attacks on the BBC and on me for reporting this, Whitehall had quietly conceded that it was true. In July 2003, literally as David Kelly was outed, MI6 secretly withdrew the 45-minute intelligence as unreliable and badly-sourced….
… But the government knew – and this is what makes its behaviour towards the BBC and David Kelly so incredible. He came forward to his bosses as my source under a promise that his identity would be kept secret, but was effectively given up to the world after Campbell, in his words, decided to “open a flank on the BBC” to distract attention from his difficulties over the dossier.
Parliament’s Foreign Affairs Committee, the FAC, was inquiring into the dossier. After it failed to denounce me to Campbell’s satisfaction, he confided to his diary that “the biggest thing needed was the source out”. That afternoon, on Downing Street’s orders, Ministry of Defence press officers announced that a source had come forward, handed out clues allowing anyone with Google to guess who he was, then kindly confirmed it to any reporter who guessed right. One newspaper was allowed to put more than 20 names to the MoD before it got to Dr Kelly’s.
Once outed, Dr Kelly was openly belittled by the foreign secretary, Jack Straw….
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10192271/The-betrayal-of-Dr-David-Kelly-10-years-on.html
Campbell was the most odious piece of excrement in that big, festering pile of Labour shit aka Her Majesty’s Government 1997-2010, since which time the BBC can’t get enough of him.
They deserve each other – a match made in hell.
The BBC appear to be none too keen to have the public discuss this via their web-site.
The duty to inform, educate and entertain . . . . .
. . . further undermined.
I think the BBC just wet itself.
Marvel’s new Iron Man is 15-year-old black girl
Should help them cope when Lenny Henry or somebody or other doesn’t become the new James Bond.
Meanwhile, as police search for the missing lynx somewhere in Devon, a bag of dust has turned up in Whitehall and put the security services in a spin. They can’t decide whether it’s the remains of the Labour Party or just Tony Blair’s reputation.
So far as the so-called Conservatives are concerned, BBC and SKY are doing their best to find dirt in Andrea Leadsom’s past. Apparently she got a mortgage through a company with links to the Channel Islands. Shocking. No mention, of course, of May’s deep appreciation of Sharia Law – the sort of justice that would have made Dodge City seem quite appealing by comparison.
Has she got an Iron ‘Man’ back at the crib looking after the growing brood?
Or going solo? Better yet, adopting with her partner using that chick from Metropolis as the donor.
Anyway, seems Eddie Izzard is to play the new Dr. XY now Sir Pat is a bit doddery and they are low on trans Brits out in Hollywood, with Grayson as Wolfperson.
No word on if he’ll be doing tasteful nude scenes as in the current ‘Powers’.
‘Iron Man’.
There’s a clue in the name there somewhere.
Next up – Wonder Woman to be played by Bruce Willis.
And will Superboy and Supergirl swap roles, or will they just become ‘The Supersisters’?
BBC lunchtime news has lectured us on how all our EU nurses are about to up sticks and cause the wonderful NHS to collapse. Project fear continues. Meanwhile could we just possibly begin to train enough of our own nurses? Why does a nationalised industry fail so abjectly ? Because it’s a nationalised industry??
Also we are told that we should follow Scotland and let aggressive cyclists on all our country pathways . Appeasement continues .
Why would they leave if they don’t have to ?
Because of all the ‘hate crimes’, obviously.
Funny thing is, the BBC journalists & presenters cannot equate a shortage of nurses NOW with being in the EU. It would be truly laughable if it were not so sad; for the BBC as well as the NHS.
Their brains just cannot compute what the report is actually saying. There are not enough nurses now. Being in the EU has not helped with the shortage of nurses. If we leave the EU it will not make the situation worse. The situation will be the same: not enough nurses.
Radio two news this morning,” marks and sprks clothes sales down 9% in the run up to the referendum” . Well, thats put it all into perspective for me, lets have another vote so i can choose to stay, eh bbbc?
I should think that the sales of underwear went up as the results of the referendum came through. The Beeboids must have been crapping themselves.
I remember the days when they had that ‘business segment’ and every week Stu Rose would come on to
talk market sentimentsflog old lady tat for free.I seem to remember a few months ago that the ambulance service took on extra Australian paramedics. Go around the world you will find many nationalities that have capable trained nurses. What about Cuba (if they can get away and defect from missions abroad!) . Average pay for a nurse $20/month, a doctor $67/month. I wonder why the BBC doesn’t highlight real pay inequality. Oops, I forgot Cuba is a socialist paradise. Btw. Cuban medical staff are extremely dedicated but complain about the lack of equipment and medicines since the Soviets stopped subsidising the country. Thatcher doctrine about socialism and other people’s money seems to be holding up well.
Since when did it become acceptable to expect other countries to train our doctors and nurses? Do these countries not need doctors and nurses themselves?
Here here Roland.
I’m also sure they are happy for the cheap labour in the NHS that keeps wages down is acceptable as long as the Islingtonians can still have the cheap labour Filippino boys serving them their favourite cocktails at their boutique bars. And for those who have children, then the cheap labour nannies from Eastern Europe must have been a great boon.
I wonder if one of the problems is that nurses now have to go to Uni to become a nurse. When/if they graduate, they then feel it is beneath them to empty bedpans and talk to wrinklies in their dying days. They can’t communicate unless they are glued to a phone and think their hands are for texting not holding someone else’s hand in kindness and caring. My mum was a nurse and trained in 1937. Reading her diaries and notes of the time (which I have donated to the Leicester Royal Infirmary) she described what sounded like a well-managed comprehensive course with classroom lessons as well as stints on wards. They learnt to CARE and isn’t that what makes nursing a vocation as opposed to a career?
Soapbox, Yes, nurse training should be on the job with , maybe , I day a week doing theoretical studies. A degree in nursing is ridiculous. What would matron have said ? And bring back matron !
My mother was a nurse during and after the last war. At one time she worked in a children’s ward full of diphtheria patients. She told me that most children survived, not by doctors administering antibiotics, which were not available at the time , but by good nursing. Patients were cared for 24 hours a day by dedicated staff.
Seems to be a global version of the direction of flow of sh… ing examples of national commitment.
The BBC of course has that weekday show directing our young champions of health care for all around the world where you can meet a man from Brussels. Apparently.
“Also we are told that we should follow Scotland and let aggressive cyclists on all our country pathways .”
NO! I’m already tired of cyclists in gaudy look-at-me spandex (or whatever it is) expecting me to leap out of the way so they don’t have to slow down.
I carry a walking pole with a spike to even up the odds. At face height it’s quite intimidating. Wouldn’t do the spokes any good either.
Is there such a thing still as a Cycling Proficiency Test ? I took this back I the late 50’s, and even in those days when you would see more sheep in the road than cars, it was drummed into us that under NO circumstances do you ride 2 abreast ! – nd yet I see this happening constantly, and do the hard hats revert to single file when a car approaches, of course not !
Never heard of one.
It’s not unusual to see children cycling at night without lights. Hopeless.
Brissles, your ignorance is really scary. The Cycling Proficiency Test was relaced by Bikeability in 2007.
https://bikeability.org.uk/what/
Are you a motorist? I hope not. If you are you should read the Highway Code – it’s available online. Take particular notice of Rule 66.
You should also take note of the following police advice to motorists:
“It may come as a surprise to most drivers but cyclists have as much right as drivers to take up the entire lane. You will often see cyclists riding side-by-side, and you, as a driver, may think they’re being selfish by doing so. But the fact is the cyclist is actually reducing the risk of having an accident; it’s the safest way for them to cycle, particularly if there’s a blind bend, a narrowing of the road, a high risk junction, pinch point or traffic lights ahead.
Cyclists should never cycle in the gutter as it gives no room for avoiding obstacles and leaves no room to fall if an accident occurs, increasing the risk of falling into the road and potentially under the wheels of a vehicle.”
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“Brissles, your ignorance is really scary.”
Not half as scary as your arrogance.
Firstly, Brissles is right about the advice given in the 1950s. I remember it clearly.
Secondly, riding two abreast when there is no reason to do so and preventing motorists from overtaking, which I see quite often, is not good practice, regardless of what plod says. Motorists are supposed to keep to the left, and so should cyclists.
“It may come as a surprise to most drivers but cyclists have as much right as drivers to take up the entire lane.”
Not out of bloody mindedness, they haven’t.
Maria, Does anyone in their right mind take any notice of what Plod says about anything ? The British Police are pretty much discredited in all aspects these days.
No. I won’t put aside my commonsense for anybody.
Cycling is another symptom of that modern disease – moral self righteousness. It’s almost a pandemic. Like Remain supporters, they think they have it and can do whatever they wish. Their attitude to pedestrians reveals how shallow their assumed superiority really is.
And plod intrudes too much on our lives already.
Maria,
I think they should have to pass a test before they are allowed on public highways, including rights of way. They should also have to pay an annual “bicycle tax “, much less than cars, to contribute to the upkeep of the roads they are using.
I find horse-riders much more considerate than cyclists.
More ignorance masquerading as ‘common sense’. Cyclists do pay for the upkeep of roads as does everyone else.
Marvin, but only through general taxation. I am not saying that car tax is hypothecated, just that cyclists should make some contribution. Either that or abolish car tax to bring drivers into line with cyclists.
Grant, you seem confused. Many cyclists own cars and pay Vehicle Excise Duty. Any motorist can avoid paying VED. All they have to do is buy a car which is zero rated.
Under your scheme would seven year olds have to pay car tax?
Arrogance? I referenced the Highway Code and Police advice to motorists and you describe that as arrogance? That’s really, really scary.
Your faith in officialdom is touching.
“It may come as a surprise to most drivers but cyclists have as much right as drivers to take up the entire lane.”
Badly worded, feckless advice. Arguably undermines the advice in the Highway Code.
Perhaps you could tell us about your experience of cycling on roads before dismissing the advice as feckless.
About 40 years, give or take.
And you’re a gutter bunny?
As usual the conversation on cycling has descended into ignorance, half truths, and hostility. Let me declare my interest here. I am both a motorist and a recreational cyclist. I took up cycling again three years ago for health reasons and because I hate running as a form of exercise !
Here are the pertinent Highway Code rules.
Clothing – appropriate clothes for cycling. Avoid clothes which may get tangled in the chain, or in a wheel or may obscure your lights, wear light-coloured or fluorescent clothing which helps other road users to see you in daylight and poor light. So I was one of those that thought I would never dress in the ‘Mamil spandex’ outfits. You quickly learn after a few distance rides why you need to wear them. Basically otherwise you melt ! So Maria much as it might annoy you there is a valid reason both in law and from a practical viewpoint why you need it.
Turning to the ‘two abreast’ point. This is the Highway Code.
‘Never ride more than two abreast, and ride in single file on narrow or busy roads and when riding round bends’. So to clarify the points above. Maria there is no obligation for a cyclist to move to single file just because a motorist appears, or to keep left, other than to keep left of the centre of the road, they are allowed to ride two abreast. Similarly Marvin no-one has the right to take up the entire lane, and in the circumstances listed above should revert to single file. The problem is what constitutes or is interpreted as narrow or busy.
In my experience I would say that 90% of both cyclists and motorists are very considerate of each other. Motorists tend to hold back, slow down, or even stop when there is a perceived danger to the cyclist. Likewise 90% of cyclists try not to antagonize ,or obstruct motorists or pedestrians unnecessarily, if for no other reason than self preservation.
Unfortunately there will always be the 10% on both sides who are just bloody minded, or do not have the required perception or skill to react to conditions. Both myself and my wife have had very close calls, in both cars and on bikes, in the past 12 months. However, of the two scenarios, the cycle ones were the most concerning for us … as if they had resulted in an accident then we probably would not have survived. I always thank motorists or cyclists if they are considerate whatever they do. Common courtesy and consideration for other road users is all that is required.
” Common courtesy and consideration for other road users is all that is required.”
Agreed, and like yourself I find that that is generally the case. I cycle about 5 000 miles each year (mostly off road) and and hardly ever have any scary moments. The problem with some of the comments expressed here is the underlying attitude that cyclists aren’t entitled to use the roads without the risk of being injured or killed. Laws and changes in road infrastructure are needed to protect them from motorists and sometimes themselves.
I am a car owner but I also cycle about 50 miles a week, mostly in London. I don’t wear lycra or a plastic hat and I hope that I always cycle in a courteous and legal way.
Whilst cyclists do have a legal right to take ‘primary position’ (the centre of the lane) this needs to be done with consideration for other road users, ie pulling over to the side if it is safe to do so when a motorist wishes to overtake.
The problems start when it is not safe to pull over to the side, eg in a narrow road in which there is not sufficient room for a motorist to safely overtake, or on a dual carriageway where a cyclist needs to go in the right hand lane. This seems to drive some motorists, particularly taxi drivers, incandescent with rage. At times like this I nearly always get abuse shouted at me and on one occasion a white van man tried to kill me by running me off the road. At times like this if at all possible I just get off and walk – it just isn’t worth the risk.
I am well aware of what the highway code says. What you don’t seem to understand is that, in this blog, we think for ourselves, in which case the highway code is fair game just like everything else. It is not a question of “ignorance”, or superior knowledge on your behalf, and it is arrogant to suggest that it is.
Secondly, nobody has suggested as far as I can see that cyclists should be killed. The point I am making, and which I stand by, is that it is unreasonable to cycle two abreast in the centre of a lane and prevent motorists from overtaking when their speed is well below what safety requirements allow. IMO, they should keep left.
I don’t really care whether the code supports that or not, it is my opinion. Laws change.
Lastly, the “obstruction” argument seems to break down all too often when the boot is on the other foot and pedestrians are in the path of cyclists. The “most people are considerate” argument depends on where you go. In the Dales we have a problem with people driving into the countryside and not only bringing their bikes with them, but their city manners as well. The countryside is not a playground for city dwellers. I know people in other rural areas who say the same.
Maria, Of course not all city dwellers are like that but , here in rural Perthshire which is my original home and I am visiting , the main problems arise from ignorant city folk. Earlier this year the field next to to my mum’s house had ewes lambing . The people who walked their dogs off the lead through it and drove quad bikes through it certainly weren’t country folk !
Marvin …………”Brissles, your ignorance is really scary. The Cycling Proficiency Test was relaced by Bikeability in 2007″
Thank you for correcting me ‘Marvin’. I hope ‘Marvin’ that your breathtaking rudeness in calling me ignorant – when all I did was relate to what I was taught as a child cyclist, does not convert to being one of those finger raising idiots so often seen on the roads !
Incidentally, where I live there are designated cycle lanes which are never used, except by dog walkers, so much for giving cyclists their own space.
Grant:
They don’t seem to realise that the country is a place of work, not just recreation, although obviously it caters for that as well.
To varying degrees the problem is common to bikes, quad bikes, jet skis, 4x4s, speed boats, on and off road motorcycles (thankfully not where I live) and, in some countries, snow mobiles. A distant relative in Saskatoon was injured by one of those things. They assume they can go wherever they like. The pedestrian is bottom of the food chain. Have your “sport” by all means, but don’t squeeze everybody else out.
And BTW, whatever happened to bells on bikes? What does the Highway Code say about that?
Anecdotal evidence suggests it is getting worse.
Bells on bikes Maria ? cant remember the last time I heard a ‘ding’, except on a child’s bike. Today’s cyclists go so bloody fast that a ‘ding’ wouldn’t be heard anyway.
Marvin…………. ” Are you a motorist? I hope not. If you are you should read the Highway Code ”
‘Marvin’ , I have tights that are probably older than you are, and as for me being a motorist, my driving licence was gained in the year before we won the world cup – with advanced d/test shortly afterwards, so I’m somewhat slightly ‘of the world’ (and better bred) than …………….
Bit of a leap into ad-hominem attacks isn`t it Marvin, me lad!
I myself have long been a cyclist-all over the place.
BUT-bloody PC Snow failed me alone out of my class in the late 60s because I was a bit of a show off…I`d been cycling a while and really didn`t need to be shown how to swerve a cone.
I was therefore a bit gobby-but was FAILED as a punishment.
Marvin…Marvin ..I raged against the police and authority for years afterwards..and when I put this by the Altar Boy Miscarriage of Justice for me in 1969…it`s a wonder that I didn`t gun down policemen, rape nurses or burn down churches…
The BBC will HAVE to get me on…never got over it all!
Still though eh?…the system failed me in a massive scandalous swindle, but I merely spat on the guidewheels of balance and tolerance…and “survived”.
Used your name twice Marvin…Marvin…as I think of Jo Cox on The “Nightshift”….better than Mark Oaten in his nightshirt eh?
Good therapy this site!
chrisH,
I can see that you were severely traumatised and scarred for life. Is it too late to claim compensation ? Was it Politically Correct Jon Snow, by any chance ? If so he still traumatises me today.
Mark Oaten again ? Bang goes my evening meal, so to speak.
I think they binned that one I failed my cycling proficiency around 1970 so I wasn’t allowed to cycle to school
Maria wrote:
“NO! I’m already tired of cyclists in gaudy look-at-me spandex (or whatever it is) expecting me to leap out of the way so they don’t have to slow down.”
Bikes should have a wee bell in which to warn people, if not they should slow down and travel behind the person in front until they are noticed, which is what happens nearly all the time, as if they don’t they will run into the person in front and come off their bike. Which if you look at this logically is a plain simple fact.
Maria wrote:
“I carry a walking pole with a spike to even up the odds. At face height it’s quite intimidating. Wouldn’t do the spokes any good either.”
Now you are just being silly and sounding off, tell us all maria, have you shoved that spike into a cyclists face? No you haven’t otherwise we would have heard about it during your court case. Now just for the record, I am a mountain biker and I did 18 miles XC yesterday morning at 7am, I am polite, I slow down and I make sure people in front of me are made aware of my presence, I always offer my thanks when people get out of my way and always inject a Good morning,afternoon or evening into my gratitude. It costs nothing to be nice and courteous. If you act like a prat (And yes they are many cyclists (Usually yoofs) then they deserve to be treated as prats. But the facts remain the vast majority of adult cyclists are polite individuals, except of course when some idiot misses them by about 1 foot doing around 80 on a country road when a few colourful adjectives can be heard. (Cue, Pounce yesterday morning as a Black Audi estate did just that to him) or even when a silly women walking her dog on Sunday decided that she could walk straight across my path with her dog.)
There are good and bad on both sides of the argument, but for cyclists , they understand they will lose every time in any collision, maybe if more BAME, transsexuals or even gay people took up bikes, then the bBC may fight the cyclists corner.
Wow, you are a sensitive lot aren’t you? Never heard of deterrence apparently.
There’s a long, straight path in a gully not far from where I live. Cyclists seem to regard it as a speed challenge. There’s little space either side and on one occasion two of us were actually pressed against the rock and scrub at 45 degrees on one side as three cyclists sped past without a word. I’m nearly 70 and not well equipped to jump out of the way at short notice.
And no, they didn’t have bells. They shouted “get out of the way”, or words to that effect.
Think whatever you like pounce, I don’t really care, but it is NOT going to happen again.
Think whatever you like pounce, I don’t really care, but it is NOT going to happen again.
You’re welcome, as a compliment here is what I am currently listening to:
Meanwhile could we just possibly begin to train enough of our own nurses? Why does a nationalised industry fail so abjectly ? Because it’s a nationalised industry??
Both of those, I think.
Plus how can they predict demand when the country has no control of its borders? Bear in mind it takes up to four years to train a nurse so that’s how far ahead they have to forecast – even longer for doctors. In theory it could also work the other way; say our economy tanked and others in the EU picked up – we’d then likely see a mass exodus of people and a load of excess capacity on our hands, both in labour and hospital infrastructure terms. Our EU dictatorship don’t seem to have thought that one through, do they?
Also, governments never seem capable of planning education – and degree courses in particular – to fit the demands of the economy. The number of kids I hear of going to ‘uni’ to study media and photography defies belief.
Before retirement I was a PA to a young Indian Cons. Psychiatrist, and he made no bones about the fact that the exam in India for potential UK doctors wasn’t as strict as it might have been. If that is true, then hardly surprising that many foreign doctors are struck off with increasing regularity ! I find it disturbing that we may have the 5th largest economy in the world but a health service that is rapidly becoming 3rd world. It was also a ‘fact’ during my tenure that all the admin staff were white English, and clinicians and nurses were more than 75% foreign nationals. How has it ever got to this state ?
Wimbledon men’s singles quarter finals.
Federer and Murray win in 5 sets, each match taking 4 hours.
Women’s singles semi-finals. Serena Williams wins in 2 sets, taking 48 minutes.
But in the interests of equality, men and women receive equal prize money.
Am I the only one to find this a deeply offensive bastardisation of the meaning of equality?
Sluff,
I don’t know much about tennis but why don’t the women have to play 5 sets ? I think womens’ footbal is 90 minutes is it not ? Or is it shorter ?
I belive Grant that the stated reason is that if the women had to play 5 sets, then the tournament could not be logistically run in the alloted 2 weeks.
The standard iin depth of women’s tennis is so low that this is probably a blessing for us all, but I do not see why, say, the quarter finals and beyond should not be 5 sets. Some matches might even be competitive.
Or, have a pay policy according to the work actually done ! Just like the sisterhood always require, and pay the women about 60% of the men’s rate.
Sluff,
I hadn’t thought of the 2 week schedule being a cause. But the current system certainly seems unfair.
Women’s football only seems longer…….zzzzz…..
LOL !
Demon: Women’s football only seems longer…….zzzzz…..
Actually, I would rather have watched any women’s football than that boring, defensive, back-passing game between Wales and Portugal last night! At least we were spared the agony of extra time and penalties.
I watched US women beat Japan in an exciting, energetic final a while back. It put a lot of men’s football to shame.
(I hasten to add that I don’t share the BBC’s dumb, PeeCee, feminist view that there is no difference between men’s and women’s football. Let them play each other on the same field and we’d soon see the difference.)
That’s a fair point TT. So-called ‘elite’ football now seems all about possession – that is, until the sideways-passing defenders and midfielders are pressed into passing back to the keeper at which point he usually has to hoof it up the field, thus negating the whole ‘possession’ strategy. It’s pathetic and painful to watch.
Might only be a matter of time till the ladies’ game follows suit…
I used to watch women’s football when it was first on television and quite enjoyed it despite the slow pace because there were a few players who had more idea than the others. Because of the slow play and less skill of their opponents, the better players were quite entertaining to watch. Now the overall standard of women’s football has improved dramatically but this has coversely made it far less watchable: it’s still slow but the defences are now able to prevent most of the skillful players from playing. I saw a couple of the women’s matches in Cardiff during the last olympics and thoroughly enjoyed the occasion but the football was not exciting on the whole.
Demon – yes, I see your point. Still, the spectacle of a US forward scoring from the half-way line after she’d noticed that Japan’s goalie was out of position was as memorable a moment as anything I’ve seen in the men’s game.
TrueToo,
Even Pele didn’t manage that !
johnnythefishSo-called ‘elite’ football now seems all about possession
Drives me crazy. So often I’ve seen a team get into trouble or concede a goal through that dumb backward-passing obsession.
A metaphor for retention of the vital BBC, or EU in some circles?
I have been watching the spectators at Wimbledon as shown by the BBC. As the camera scans across a crowded viewing area the crowd appears hideously white but as soon as the camera focussing on one spectator……you can guess the rest.
Doesn’t surprise me at all.
Here in Yorkshire a lot of people have been very unhappy about the decision to move a collection of photographs from Bradford’s National Media Museum to the V & A in London. It is said that the museum has been forced to make the decision as a result of a 30% cut in government funding.
I don’t wish to get involved in a North/South dispute, or an argument over the details, but the issue has exposed what I think is likely to become a common problem. The fact is, places like Bradford are increasingly unlikely to be able to support attractions like this because a large section of the local population has no interest whatsoever, and Bradford does not have a huge influx of commuters and tourists to add support. York and Harrogate may fare better although I understand that the National Railway Museum in York is not exactly having an easy time.
I fear we can expect more closures of attractions and facilities with traditional, cultural and historical links as the population changes. A problem that locals are well aware of, and which politicians and the MSM stubbornly refuse to acknowledge.
The crowd lining the streets of Leicester for the re-interment procession of Richard III was also hideously white.
Our history is part of the ‘glue’ that binds our society together, it helps us understand who we are and how we got here.
We are increasingly becoming like a ship without a rudder.
“The fact is, places like Bradford are increasingly unlikely to be able to support attractions like this because a large section of the local population has no interest whatsoever, ”
The Royal Armouries in Leeds should be popular then.
“The Royal Armouries in Leeds should be popular then.”
You’d think so, but I don’t think the collection includes suicide vests or IEDs.
As it happens, the Royal Armouries in Leeds has had problems as well, having had to cut back on many of the live demonstrations. Leeds isn’t a tourist centre either, and some say that the museum was built in the wrong part of the city. On the other hand, the Horniman Museum in Forest Hill is arguably in the wrong part of London but does OK.
IMO, York would have made more sense. You can’t make Leeds into York by sticking a museum in it.
Excellent points Maria. You have raised issues that I’ve never seen discussed before, and in reality is disquieting. The Arts & Culture of this country is at odds to those alien peoples who settle here. In a post above I mentioned working with an Indian doctor, who told me he was something of a film buff, oh good I thought, me too – but silly me if I thought I could discuss the merits of various Hollywood actors and films. Nope, he was a Bollywood buff. The conversation ended as soon as it had begun ! There was a big push a few years ago to encourage ethnics into our national parks, as some dickbrain thought that our rambling societies were too white – it didn’t work.
Good examples. The Government, the MSM and bien–pensants everywhere need to accept that populations are not interchangeable in large numbers. Attempts to allow this have consequences.
Another example. Birmingham has a good orchestra and a fine sounding concert hall. I’m sure they will be safe for some time yet as the UK is not awash with orchestras like Germany. If immigration continues however, sooner or later two things will happen. The audience will dry up to the point where concerts become uneconomic, and locals will say “This has nothing to do with us, close it down.”
The same applies to theatres and, as already discussed, museums. Pubs are already closing although there’s more than one reason for that.
Just caught up here……..
Yes, this is my biggest concern about immigration & multiculturalism. The fact that we are allowing so many people in to the country, & into Europe who have no cultural ties is deeply foolish as it dilutes our own identity.
Brainless lefties always talk of Britain as a country of immigration, but until the 1950s all immigration was European & Christian. Culturally the watering-down was non-existant as we all shared the Judaeo-Christian & Hellenic roots that gave us individualism in the arts with the likes of Giotto, Dante, Shakespeare, Rembrandt, Beethoven etc.
I am an artist, a painter in the tradition of Cezanne & Titian, I do not draw chalk lines on the floor or empty my waste-bin in the corner of a gallery. Therefore such places as the National Gallery in London are second home for me. I love the European tradition of art & music, Europe is one hell of a great cultural power-house – my love of Europe is my reason to hate the EU so much for making Europe a bland characterless porridge of nothingness now.
So when in the National Gallery looking at a Tintoretto I wonder what on earth the muslim immigrant would get from such an enriching experience if they actually bothered to walk inside. Sadly I come to the conclusion that such art for them is against Islam & should be destroyed.
For this very reason I find it impossible to like or admire Islam. filling our cities with non-european immigrants who hate our culture is something we, as Europeans, ought to be very wary of.
Meanwhile, in the second women’s semi final we are into game 6 of set one. On the grass of Wimbledon, the serve is a potent weapon. But here, the athleticism is such that after five games …..errrr…..neither player has yet held serve. It is all such an obvious travesty but do not expect the biased bbc to even raise the possibility of the issue.
Stop press. Kerber has HELD SERVE. My god. Hold the front page.
We treated ourselves to the Complete Flanders and Swann last winter so now when I see anything about Wimbledon I can’t help but think of “Tried by Centre Court.” Then that sets me to thinking of their other songs and monologues and I start giggling like an idiot. Innocent and sharpe at the same time.
Mrs K
One of the great failures of technology was the upgrading of car sound systems to CD and beyond and the elimination of cassette tape. So alas we can no longer sing along to ‘At the drop of a hat’.
‘Songs’ like Slow Train, Sounding Brass, or the Arty song about no 7B all gently satirised issues of the 1950s which are stangely relevant today.
First its Tim Wonnacott booted off Bargain Hunt, and now I learn that the lovely Lucy Fleming is ‘leaving’ Homes Under the Hammer after 13 years. According to reports she says…… “its not what I wanted……….. but there are new and exiting projects to pursue”. Not what she wanted ??? what do we read into that then ? she was articulate, knew her stuff (both she and Martin Roberts are long time property developers), and we didn’t see her splashed in embarrassing situations all over the newspapers. Is there now going to be wheelchaired transgender to replace her I wonder ? Dion Dublin was brought in, er’m ex footballer/pundit ….. but nothing on Wilkopedia to indicate he’s had a past in property – so what does he know ? although he does wave his arms around quite nicely. I don’t like change, the Beeb got it so wrong with Top Gear, and now the daytime shows are clearly the targets for the kids around the table.
B
“wave his arms around quite nicely”
More testiculation?
Well, I was waiting for it…and it was well worthwhile. Once again Pat gets it 100% right.
Spot on, Pat. “So many long faces at the BBC , I thought I was watching a horse race “. LOL !!!
Hot off the press old bloke!
Looked in on his site last night in the hope that Our Pat had spoken-“deep shall speak unto deep” an` all that!
So-coffee in hand and an Iceland “Danish Pastry” in hand…shall now sit back and absorb the joys to come.
THIS is the only cinema release that likes of Kermode and Esler OUGHT to be reviewing!
“Turn ON your mind, relax and float downstream”
“There`s a sixpence old bloke you scamp for your pains…be off with you and spend it wisely on an ice cream..and keep the change, my lad!”.
Oops-3D printer says no to old tanners….
I got lucky ChrisH. I was sitting at my computer drawing up our new International Price list for transmission next week, for not only have we seen the pound get down to a more realistic value (affordable) but I have been told today that one of our major competitors have ceased trading (based in Europe), thus elevating us to become probably the worlds largest in what we do. Funny old world. I think I’ll have that ice cream, but it will cost a bit more than sixpence!
By way of compo, OB…ruched off to cyberland and got the clip that Pat refers to.
Never watch CNN, but do know of this awful Aranpour.
Worth a watch-she`s the ultimate educated idiot, the know-all know nothing that Pat refers to.
http://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2016/06/27/amanpour-intv-danniel-hannan.cnn
Only shows what New Yorks East Coast cabbages are cooking up over there
Christ almighty – what an ignoramus!
If she ever falls out with CNN she’s a natural for Today. Before the interview she’s badly briefed on the position of the interviewee, she starts the interview with a set of politically motivated questions, she doesn’t pay any attention to the answers and she constantly talks over the replies trying to turn the interview into an argument.
Why isn’t this woman presenting Newsnight?
Awful.
“We saved our democracy from your immaturity.”
Wonderful stuff from Mr Condell; again.
And still they whinge.
Our National Debt is £1.4 TRILLION
Our National Debt increases by £168 BILLION every YEAR
Interest paid on that debt is £44 BILLION every year.
We give the E.U. £10 BILLION NET each year
If, as a Nation we did not give the £10 BILLION each year to the E.U. and invest that money in the UK for the people of the UK, using the governments own “mulitplier”, our National Debt could be paid of in just 15 YEARS
That means that we will not be paying the IMF and other lenders their £44 BILLION per year in Interest payments and certainly not £10 BILLION to the E.U. The U.K. would/could have a surplus of £54 BILLION to spend as the government see fit. With the surplus you would have a positive interest rate so that £54 BILLION would earn a further £2 Billion P.A.
The total student “Debt” for a year is a piffling £7.4 BILLION. Science and Agriculture get £1.5 BILLION each year in grant aid. That would hardly make a dent in the £54 BILLION we could have.
The chancellor who wanted to stay in the E.U. has to raise money through taxation, much coming from petrol duty to service the National DEbt and interest payable. Without the National Debt and the interest payable, petrol prices at the pumps would come down, dramatically. Getting anywhere would be cheaper and transportation of goods would be cheaper so cheaper products in shops and cost effective export costs.
And still “they” whinge about Brexit.
Another Brexit side effect, it would seem, is cost cutting in the Harmsworth empire since the editor of the Daily Mail must have been replaced by the Remainer in charge of the Mail on Sunday. Apart from creating feelings of frustration, that a newspaper which appeared to reflect the opinions and standards of middle-England has now taken on the mantle shared by The Times and to some extent the Guardian – minus its intense level of conceit – what on earth will the BBC do, now that a previously derided title has ‘seen sense’?
To many this will simply provide an opportunity for a good snigger. For others it might signal another step backward, or in the entirely wrong direction – take your pick, though neither offers a healthy option.
Once we leave the E.U., will we be able to convert back to pounds and ounces in our measures? The USA would like that I’m sure.
I certainly hope so. I would like to see the ratchet of forced metrication turned back at last. As a case in point, why, if you buy a jar of jam which weighs 454g, can’t it say on the label that it is a pound of jam? Grammes are pathetic and fiddly things which might be useful in laboratories, but are a pain in the real world.
Rob, I was just about to post the 454g as an example. Great minds !
Returning from Leeds on a crowded train a few weeks ago, travelling through rugby-league country, I overheard a conversation between a teenage club trainee and a family friend who’d apparently not seen him for some time. ‘What are you now?’, the friend asked, ‘Fourteen stone? 6’1″?’ ‘Oh, I don’t know’, the trainee replied, ‘I don’t think in stones any more. It’s all metric. I’m 90ks’.
I was very struck by the idea that a seventeen- or eighteen-year-old — the very definition of a millennial — would say that he didn’t think in imperial ‘any more’. Meaning that, although he possibly wouldn’t have called it ‘imperial’ (boo, hiss), he’d grown up thinking in those terms.
Readers with children and grandchildren will know better than me, but my understanding is that for years now, schools have taught both the sensible, intuitive system and metric. And yet for some reason, the trainee had grown up not thinking in the BBC’s preferred, dastardly Napoleonic terms. A sample size of one isn’t very scientific, but . . . QED.
The upside to this, is being weighed at the hospital/doctors. A figure is mumbled in Kg before committed to paper, but I haven’t a clue what it is, so remain blindly oblivious to my weight ! Clearly if it was recalled in pounds and ounces I would wince, so its the one occasion I’m grateful to metric.
So it’s the two women who came through the ballot. I am pleased, especially that Andrea Leadsom is there. I firmly believe and hope that the grassroots will vote for her as a Brexiteer, a breath of fresh air, buckets of common sense and a sense of purpose, direction and won’t be afraid of the Westminster bubble. Onwards and upwards.
That would be grand-I`m sure the grassroot Tories were all “Outers”-and surely want to tip Clarke, Heseltine etc into the LibDem Sperm Dump .
Might make Mark Oatens laundry basket smell a bit worse than usual though.
chrisH, I don’t want to get too personal, but would you like to share with us how you know what Oaten’s laundary basket smells like ? I had completely forgotten about Oaten until you mentioned him !
Oh lordy grant-it was before teatime and I hoped to get that reaction.
Safe to say that none of us here would know anything about Mark Oatens hygiene issues…my mind just stores up names and issues to wind up liberals and labour.
Maybe because I WAS that muppet throughout the 80s…and then a green one in the early 90s..from Elmo to Kermit if we`re on Sesame St!
Michael Grover would have been my choice.
Sorry to hear of five Gambian/Spanish blokes killed in the collapse of a wall in Birmingham…something a bit strange about it all though.
chrisH,
I was being tongue in cheek !
Yes, terrible tradgedy about the wall collapse. And the Gambians all came from the same village in Gambia , apparently. I notice that their landlord’s name is Lang Dampha. By an amazing coincidence, one of my best Gambian friends who is a carer in England now ( EU please note ) is coming to visit me in Scotland on Saturday for a week and his family name is Dampha. It is not a very common name. And everyone in Gambia knows someone who knows someone……
Yes, there is something a bit odd.
As an aside , I don’t think you will find Gambians causing much trouble in the UK.
I know you were…but recall some off-piste sanitary towel jokes with one of our “customers” here at this site-and the poor bloke had not had his tea yet-very poor on my part!
No-Gambians have not had any kind of profile here, which is to their credit I`m certain.
Seemed to be Muslim lads in the main..so guessing that the two faiths rub along OK where you are.
chrisH, Not only rub along well, but also intermarry with christians. No comment by anyone. I have friends, husband is Catholic, wife muslim. There is even a building one half of which is a mosque, the other half a church ! There are many christian schools in Gambia, most of the pupils are muslims.
Not many Jews in Gambia , but they have no problem. I I suspect Gambia is unique. Even the lunatic President frequently mentions religious tolerance . Long may it continue !
Yes, what happened to our guest ” customers ” ? They disappear and then reappear in droves. You would almost think it was co-ordinated !
Oh boy, how about this then!
May looks almost as bad as Merkel these days. She is past it. Well, she always was.
BBC shows flattering picture of May and unflattering picture of Leadsom
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36737426
How can BBC say it’s impartial and unbiased with pictures like this?
Must have taken them a while to find one.
Those when she was no ‘on side’ have seldom showed her good side, especially when flashing the cleavage to get the over 90’s vote.
On a more serious note, the power of picture editorial is a powerful one in the BBC armoury, and near impossible to define and hence prove. And boy do they know it.
It’s the same with the photos they use of Trump and Clinton. Trump is always photographed in mid speech, making him look Hitlerian, but Clinton is never shown as an ageing frump.
Teresa showing her best side
Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin …
Theresa May, No way.
History of failure, Saint Margaret was worth ten of her.
On the other hand, Laura Kuenssberg’s interview with Leadsom today on BBC is more level headed and springs no obvious ‘gotchas’ – compare it to Channel 4’s interview with Gary Gibbon.
Kuenssberg seems to like her.
Its apparently a good thing that the next PM will be a woman after May and Leadsom won through.
The bBBC are very keen to point this out. In fact they seem to think it is the only issue.
Can you imagine for a millisecond how that would have read if say Gove and Fox had won through?
The hypocrisy of this is staggering and the right on bBBC are banged to rights.
Al Beeb “Deutsche Bank – the world’s most dangerous?” According to AlBeeb, the IMF says it is.
Then we have Italy.
“At the time of writing, the Italian government is considering ignoring state aid rules to shore up its own fragile banks.”
The EU PONZI scheme is collapsing, take us out of the EU NOW, we do not want to pay for this.
Love Europe, bury the EU.
Dismayed to see a hero of ours , Douglas Murray shafting Leadsom in the Spectator.
If the elite( and on this occasion, I`ve got to include Mr Murray) hate Leadsom this much-she has GOT to be the new Tory leader.
Didn`t Douglas learn that we`re post party crap now?
This is NOT about some transient suit or other to lead the moribund, decaying Tories-WGAF?
This is about someone who believes in leaving the EU and will get the talent around her so to do.
That is what we voted for-THAT is what their damn party was elected to do-and just because Cameron throws his toys out of the pram, that is what we expect.
Leadsom would do it with the right team, including Gisela, Kate, RMT “on board” as they`d say.May is not to be trusted, clearly went AWOL for a quiet life when others like Gove and Boris risked everything.
And if Tory grassroots voter prefer to put a bit of sticky back plastic on their PLP toadies and call it backbone…their call.
Maybe they fear upsetting their PLP in mirror image of what Corbyns Momentum are doing to THEIR PLP spongiform at the moment.
But the grassroots need to know-they will not have a party worth supporting very soon, if they vote for May and we get no Article 50 within months.
I mean-when it came to same sex crap (or fox hunting), the Westminster scum moved very quickly to enact their legislation.
Ditto dangerous dogs and extending voter registration to get the online vote to try and ensure a Remain result.
The BBC dislike Leadsom…as will Womans Hour…so she`s the gal.
I`ve met May-shadow education minister around the millennium as I recall -hardly remember her, apart from her being vaguely supportive of what we were campaigning about.
But ineffective, and nothing changed.
ChrisH
Indeed they did, I believe the parliamentary time spent (wasted) on the fox hunting bill was ten times that
devoted to the Iraq war.
Shows just how out of touch these people are with reality, and with the views of British people.
Let us hope the Conservative party members ARE more in touch with reality, as they live a lot nearer to it.
Come on party members the country must have a pro Brexit leader.
Apologies for replying to myself.
Guardian “How Andrea Leadsom can beat Theresa May”
Makes a good case against May.
I noticed ‘dangerous dogs’ mentioned in the above comment, most of which I think I understood as I skimmed through! Just on that point, perhaps I’m going against the mainstream when I opine that the problem with the Dangerous Dogs Act is that it did not go far enough, and it is high time it’s toughened up. There are many breeds and cross-breeds that are seriously dangerous, and it is yet another failure of Theresa May that she seems content to allow children to be killed and maimed by them, and adults to be seriously injured. It is not just a matter of training and control; some breeds are inherently dangerous.
The Tory PLP seem not to have learned do they?
Nor-for that matter-have the BBC.
Surest way to anger the grassroots Tories out here( who are NOT necessarily the supine craven whipped hobby fodder of old) is to put MARIA MILLER, SAM GYAWIM, PHILLIP HAMMOND and AMBER RUDD(let alone others who we`d know for being toadies to Cameron come hell of low water as of now)-in a staged photo of the victorious Mrs May.
All above have issues with the REAL Tories out here…as do the Fallons, Osbornes etc…so to be reminded of the fiddling greasy bitching, blandishments of the above shower of shit that comprise the Tory MPs as a rule, is a joy.
And Boris and Michael…who do you think will get the “guilt vote” from how those two were treated by the media and their “Parliamentary colleagues”?
No-Andrea has this in the bag-all she has to do now is do the milk round, get some security to sort the media out…and, if they voted Remain-like Nicky Morgan-offer them NOTHING until she`s rewarded all the OUTERS who are worth the patronage…like Gisela and Nigel,Digby-Jones as well as the Annointed of June 23rd.
How do I know all this-because Remain is REMay and Leadson is Jetson!
Need only hear Nick Robinson piddling himself with Fallon this morning to know that THIS scratching post of liberal pads and claws is soon to be removed from the BBCs marker lamp-posts.
These buggers have ran rings around the flea circus for too long…time to fumigate and put some Top Cats in…not fucking so called Big Beasts like Clarke and Gummer FFS).
Lot of grey stale dead wood will need burning in the autumn on Sept 10th…Andrea needs NOW to keep details of who helped and was fair…and who craved only their red box and a formation pole dancing part at this Stage of events…Deadwood I call it.
Leadsom ought now to be pleased-but no more Night rallies with silly slugs in blue sweatshits ah Andrea/IDS?
UKIP and the Tories-the Brexit Party in all but name-17,4 Million voted for it.
BBC Online News: (Buried on Regional News).
“”Labour Party reinstates Bradford West MP Naz Shah””
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-36719932
So predictable. Red Ken next?
Perhaps they will also forgive former Labour MP for Smethwick and Labour NEC member, Oswald Mosley.
How bad has the PC world become, Marvel comics now have a –
Black 15y girl as Ironman
A black Captain America
A hispanic Spiderman
A female Thor
A muslim Ms Marvel and a gay Iceman
Just listening to PM and the amazing difference between their reporting of Theresa May and Angela Leadsom. The supporter for May gets a clear run but Leadsom’s hardly gets to make a point: What about her CV? What about Cameron resigning? Why do only the Conservative membership get to vote? Why does the process take so long?
Of the many questions that Eddie Mair throws in against Leadsom’s supporter only one actually relates to the candidate and even then it isn’t exactly important.
Then we get the news summary at 1730. Guess what, Mrs. May could be PM! One of her supporters gets to have his say but what about the other candidate? I guess we know who the BBC wants for PM then.
Does it really matter? Both are there to ensure we are shafted. This was the fallback postion- the plan if you like -if the great unwashed got above themselves.
We did exactly that and now have to be conned into thinking we have a result. We do have a result but not the one we need. It will be clever no doubt and plausible but one way or another it will be as if we have never left the EU.
I don’t care if it is May or the other one. The hope is that enough of us will see through the machinations and make life difficult for the political/banker/media class that really thought we are so stupid that we would let them grab the goodies and the power without protest. We will wait and see but for now I suggest we keep quiet and let them screw up and show exactly how duplicitous they all are. The Euro is in real trouble so that might be a start. Along with the banks of Italy , Germany and the zombie banks of the US and UK.
When the money runs out and the work stops and the peasants really start to get upset then we might see exactly what this ruling elite is made of.
Leadsom may well walk into No 10 now!
The grassroots Tories are suckups to their PLP more often than not, certainly used to be.
But no longer.
The Tory activists have had THEIR “faces rubbed in diversity” by Camerons Queens now since 2005.
Gay Marriage, anti-Christian, anti-fox hunting, pro-Climate Change.
Tories have left the party in droves, and no longer even bother to raise money, give out leaflets for Tories in Parliament unless they`ve been good and faithful Tory MPs for a long time.
Revenge on the wishes of Maria Miller and Jeremy Hunt is coming. The Outers will be spared though…even Priti at the mo!
Tory members nowgenerally loath Camerons changes,and more than match his contempt for them all.
The grassroots are nearly all “Vote Leave”…won`t forget the “Nasty Party” jibe of Theresa May that so helped Labour stay in office.
Yep, let the Westminster bubble enjoy their May fantasies..reckon there`ll be a comprehensive blue revolution.
All Andrea needs are MORE BBC trashings, Channel 4 and Guardian hatchet jobs…and the Tory members (who hate the liberal media much as we do, in large part)will do what we 17.4 Million did to the elite two weeks back. That sexist card can be stuffed back down Gary Gibbons sneering gob next time.
Don`t see how may can win…but let`s not tell Snow or Smith eh?they seem to know all they need to.
I need some good Italian news sites in English, suggestions please.
Not BBC related but still relevant to the mindset that prevails with the metro-leftie BBC Remain types. This car crash CNN far-left interviewer encapsulates the aggressive, rapid, extremist far Left mindset that is all about shouting down anyone with different views and making everything about race. Lies, misplaced and offensive assumptions and childish chucking of rattles out of pram are in evidence aplenty during this video in which a calm and very reasonable MEP Daniel Hannan makes intellectual mince meat out of this extremely stupid and brainwashed woman who destroys all credibility of CNN.
That is one of the most stupid, repulsive, rude journalists I have ever seen. What a bitch. Come back Laura, all is forgiven.
I loved the patronising tone and all the posturing and grimacing at the camera. How beneath her fragrant dignity to have to interview someone who knows his brief and doesnt roll up into a ball when she talks to him like he is an idiot.
And what was that hand thing she was doing – it looked like she was having to empty out Jenni Murrays septic tank by hand after jenni had just unburdened herself after a bad case of the trots. Presumably after a heavy bollinger and tofu party the night before.
I think this woman should be given an equity card straight away. I see a great career maybe with the chuckle brothers. She certainly isnt a serious journalist so I can only presume she is a ham actor.
Cancel that tell – the BBC news to employ her quick she would fit in perfectly!
What I don’t understand is why Dan stood so close to her. I would have taken a step back !
Me too – I guess Daniel must have just got pissed off with her silly body language game and decided not to play to her rules. I just hope she had cleaned her teeth. She looked like she wanted to take a bite out of him!
CNN have been talking down the UK economy ever since the vote. If Amanpour needs to know why Joe Public went Brexit, then I guess she needs to go to the back of the queue….
“She has in her hand… a piece of paper…”
Sort of apt.
Well said Pat Condell. So many long faces at the BBC that he thought he was watching a horse race. Wonderful
GWF, I made the same comment on another thread ! Don’t suppose we are going to see Pat on the BBC any time.
Apologies, my fingers just took me higher up and saw that Pat ha been posted, even down to his horse race comment about the BBC. Still, can’t have too much of a good thing.
Marvellous stuff.
The petulant, selfish, foot-stamping majority of ‘generation snowflake’ (well, at least the 73% of the 36% who could be arsed to vote) seem incapable of comprehending that what is left of our democracy after successive sovereignty-sapping EU treaties was in danger of being lost forever.
They seem unable to understand that until now we’ve never had a vote on whether we wanted to surrender powers to the EU, including the surrender of our borders – going back at least 24 years (to Maastricht).
And it begs the question: who amongst these child-adults will be the country’s future leaders?
It’s laughable to watch the BBC wrestling with its incompatible biases in reporting the trail of the Bradford Sunni Muslim who drove up to Glasgow to brutally murder a Muslim shopkeeper who was a member of a minority non Sunni sect . The po faced Sarah Smith cannot escape the fact that this was a religiously motivated hate crime.She earnestly says it was nothing to do with the victim’s minority sect membership. However it was because the poor guy had disobeyed the Koran in the eyes of the RoPer who murdered him. Who cares? It’s still all about Islam. It also shows how the crazy policies of mass immigration and multiculturalism have transported middle eastern standards of communal violence and intolerance into the UK. Cue Enoch’s Rivers of Blood Speech, heavily influenced by what he saw at the time of Indian Partition.
Beeb has to report this crime even though it would rather not. But it still tries to defend islam
England,
And they can’t blame Brexit !
Oh, I bet they could (blame Brexit). They could make up a new name – they could say he was murdered Brexospectively, the weight of the upcoming vote, subconsciously led him to Glasgow.
Obviously in the Beebs eyes Assad Shah wasnt the “right kind of muslim” so deserved it. Aunty these days exercises a good deal of self censorship – dont want to upset The Muslim Council of Britain.
So much good stuff on this site, yet there are big themes now emerging.
1. I would say that the May-Leadsom event is just an outside court rerun of the Referendum vote.
They all want may-but the quiet people of England will say other…only 150,000 of them but I`d be VERY surprised if they let the like of Amber Rudd, Maria Miller and Anna Soubry get THEIR places back on the Tory perches…they HATED what Cameron had some to their party, and Andrea has cross-party support.
If they choose to follow Phillip and go tribal…well they TOO will go the way of Corbyns Labour.
2. Murder of Assad Sham-well, like the murder of the Texan policemen today-we don`t get angry at each outrage from the BBC-we file it under “licensed payback”.
Of course the BBC would never “condone such things”-and why would any of us POSSIBLY think that?…but it`s “understandable, defensible, probably about right and proper”.
This “Payback or Backlash” of course is fine for BLM…but is NOT fine for whitey after Lee Rigby…aren`t we so much better than that?
Maybe we could have a recycling bin for similar stories, so we can build alternatives to what random splatterdash shit they throw up and out by way of “News Stories”
Licensed payback stories to be recycled into the Islamic Green container with a brownshirt temporary lid.
Doesn’t matter what David Kelly thought about the dossier, he has been proven to have got it disastrously wrong!
Worse than that BLiar and Co, knew he got it wrong, & knew that he wasn’t trying to develop nuclear weapons either.
The Iraq war was a result of the corrupt manipulation of the Western political leaders by the Saudi’s. Here’s what happened.
Iraq has been ruled by dictators since the early 1950s and we never bothered one jot. Saddam Hussein came to power at the end of the 1970s and again it never bothered us one jot.
At the same time one Ruhollah Khomeini won his revolution in Iran and returned there to rule it, and the nastiness began. Saddam Hussein was a buffer between Iran and Saudi, Saudi thought they needed him, and Saddam was our friend.
Iran began messing around arming dissident groups in Iraq and calling for a Shia revolution – Saudi got worried. We encouraged our friend Saddam to go to war with Iran, which he did. After he made peace with Iran & served his purpose, the US encouraged him to invade for various reasons, then degraded his enormous army so he no longer posed a threat to their Saudi masters.
But Saddam wasn’t removed and the Saudis were nervous of him, and told their lackeys that they wanted him gone, hence Iraq war round II and Tony Bliar has become very rich as a result.
It is a matter of record which countries the vile A Q Khan has sold his atomic weapon technology to, and Iraq was not one of them, both America and the UK knew Saddam had no intention to build a nuclear weapon and they lied about his attempts to obtain Uranium.
I thought the BBC were going OTT on the 5 workers killed by the collapsing wall at the Metal recycling plant in Birmingham. Too much of a contrast between the workers killed demolishing the power station.
Then the pieces of the jigsaw began to come together. First we found out the men were from Spain – then originally from Gambia, they were all black guys. Finally the last piece dropped in, they were all Muslims, and it was even more tragic because yesterday they were all celebrating Eid.
If I was imagining the bias I wouldn’t be able to spot the different way in which a news story was reported, without the relevant facts and then have it confirmed at a later date.
It’s a little like the two black guys shot in America the BBC is reporting the FACT that they were both murdered by waycist Police officers.
Why bother with the facts or wait until they become known when spouting left wing bigotry is so much easier
O/T
I think that UKIP was a Panzerfaust; now the primary objective has been achieved and its irreplaceable leader has done a Faragexit, it’s likely to fade away (IMHO).
I’m sorry AS, but I don’t agree.
If Leadsom becomes PM and negotiates a clean break with the EU the Conservatives will win back a lot of Brexit supports in the south of England, but if we get a bad deal on exit those ex-Conservatives will find a home in UKIP. Meanwhile the ex-Labour voters in the north of England will struggle to find anyone to represent them other than UKIP.
I agree that UKIP has achieved its primary objective, but at the moment it needs to continue in being to keep the exit negotiations honest. With a good exit settlement it needs only a slight change of emphasis to become the party of the British working class. With a bad exit settlement it becomes the party of the 17+ million who voted Leave. Either way it has a future.
Interesting times ahead. Very interesting. Let’s take an overview:
Labour routed in the GE last year and UKIP gained 5 million votes.
BREXIT won.
Cameron gone. Osborne on the missing list.
Nicola SNP visited the EU and was confronted with multiple two fingered salutes.
Germany fail to make the European final.
Next Prime Minister to be a BREXIT supporter.
Adolf Merkel hopefully shoots herself in a Berlin Bunker.
As I said, interesting times ahead.
Will Merkel shoot herself, or will she be found many years later in Paraguay?
BBc 22:00 So BBc have caught up with the 2nd BLACK shot by WHITE police men recently. Yea I still don’t live in America BBc so to be honest how is this relevant to Cheshire?
And Chicago recorded 46 blacks shot by blacks during the weekend. Do black lives matter? Only if shot by a police officer on duty it seems.
A tragedy at a Birmingham recycling centre. 5 killed. Tragic by any measure.
But in the report the bBBC mention the dead are all Gambian, part of the Ten Thousand strong Gambian community in that city.
Which does rather beg an obvious question. Why has the immigration service been asleep on the job for decades?
I’m afraid, as I have said before, that the attitude of the civil service in favour of open door immigration is such that I fear EU migration may not quite be as good and as effective a target to reduce as we may hope for.
Apparently Gambian “origin” minimum wage agency staff
A “proud Londoner” speaks…..Thank God I don’t live there anymore…
He’s not exactly Oscar Wilde is he?
No, but he’s, like, “relevan”.
Know what I mean?
Another black guy killed by US police. Attracts the expected bBBC indignation..
Now the one that was streamed looks to me to be totally indefensible.
But…… Whites and hispanics are also killed by US police, about half as often per capita as blacks. And some police are black, so some white people are killed by black police. Meanwhile more blacks appear per capita to be involved in crime, shown by things like prison populations and prosecutions. Guess what? The bBBC never report these various possibilities and statistics.
I’m not saying the US police is not racist, but the biased BBC is so appallingly selective with these stories that they clearly have an agenda and so cannot be trusted.
Hope CNN, ABC-and-now we`re out of the EU-the BBC get sued and charged for promoting hate crimes and speech that leads to the death of policemen who only do what Americans want from them.
Where`s President Bystander then?…playing golf in Poland?
The liberal media seem happy to stir for violence…yet the ordinary people of the West have not bitten back…if I were the BBC etc, I`d be treading very carefully now…if Jo Cox` death meant to little to us…surely a BBC hack hoping to emote for Salford in the “wrong place/wrong time vernakka”-won`t even get a visit from Keith Chegwin at this rate, once wasted in the cause of patriotism.
17.4 million cannot be wrong-and the BBC need to get off their hobby horses and begin to recall how to report again…they used to do before we joined the EU apparently.
Teach the new dogs old tricks-before we enter them for the Wuhan Food Festival with Shi-Lee Dil-Do.
They`ll not THEN be “sustainably-sauced Burghers” then anymore will they?…they`ll be a bit dead.
People have got to get their heads around the fact that the USA is not like Western Europe. Some parts are, and have crime levels similar to Western Europe. Other parts are more like Africa, the Caribbean or Central America, and have crime rates similar to those places. One of the most dangerous and violent places on Earth is Honduras. Amazingly, the more Hondurans who end up in parts of the US, the more crime in those parts resembles Honduras. It’s not complicated, but it is apparently beyond the wit of leftists to make the connection.
BBC Online News:
“”Tory Leadership: May v Leadsom brings change””
(Laura Kuenssberg Political editor)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36741096
What I find revealing is that the BBC’s Laura Kuenssberg has been very unhelpful when interviewing Brexit or Tory supporters.
However, she interviewed Leadsom very recently and was very friendly towards her. My link suggests that she is being almost supportive of Leadsom in a girly way.
Have the BBC seen the light? Have they realised that there is the prospect of a new PM who doesn’t need the BBC for political support as did Cameron with Brexit?
I hope that our new PM realises that now the referendum is over and a decision , of sorts, made there can be no room for the BBC in British national life. The BBC will go round poisoning wells and salting the fields of the negotiations seeking to undermine our country at every opportunity, they simple can’t allow the Brexit vote to be seen as anything other than a disaster. The same will of course be true of the BBC’s responses to attempts to implement the rest of the Conservative manifesto pledges. The BBC has to be cut down to size. The referendum has demonstrated very clearly that the long reign of the liberal left elite and their propaganda tool the BBC, is coming to the end of its supremacy. A good blow to the BBC now and it will crumble. It has lost credibility with several million people by its brazen support for those who wish to ignore the democratic will of the people since the referendum. Now is the time to strike and to strike hard and sure.
On a parallel line DT, the loss of face engendered by the farce that is Top Gear is more valuable grist to the mill. It will be interesting – though unlikely to be published in the foreseeable – to see the production costs although I’m sure the viewing public’s reaction speaks loudly enough for the accountants to be feverishly shifting rates, allocations and allowances already.
And if, as seems likely, the much-loved etc. lose Wimbledon next year how on earth will they fill both channels for all those afternoons and evenings? Better look forward to Dad’s Bargain Antique Cake-bake Hunt Off.
On Newsnight Nick Watt prefaces some piece of crap that traduces Andrea Leadsom by saying
“I must warn you that the following piece contains….well, rampant lazy bias
unsourced drive by bollocks
cliched, presumptive, consumptive pebbledash
schizoid incoherent lefty drivel from Corbyn HQ, or from the good office of
Ming Campbell.
But Nick baled out,citing lights might give me diabetes, or a epileptic fit.
Might as well sit there watching their confected curlies in the hope that one day they`ll forget to warn me of their epileptic bias…and then I can sue the puke-inducing creeps for all that they`ve got.
Hope Andrea knocks the smug grins off their fat faces,,,pretty sure Tory activists won`t give the BBC what they want.
As an EX tory activist ( post 2010 ) – Go Andrea.
I am constantly hearing voices from my television and radio of calls for a second referendum, the media working hard to achieve this.- The BBC are the main protagonists.
I hope they fail and must accept the mandate of the people to Leave.
If there is a General Election, it should be outlawed to put any suggestion of another referendum in their manifesto. They should be viewed as undemocratic, who would want to support an undemocratic party in a country that claims to be a supporter of democracy.
Any Remainer who claims to be a democrat and wants a second referendum is a liar.
I seem now to be hearing on the BBc calls for another general election as it isn’t fair that everyone under the sun doesn’t get a say in who the next PM will be. The way I see it is we voted for a Government & their manifesto not who their leader is. Another vain crab at straws let’s hope Labour gets elected and changes everything remain strategy I assume.
In a way it would be hopefully nice to see Labour decimated at an election with Corebin at the helm.
Dave666,
I don’t seem to remember a General Election before Gordon Brown became PM !
I don’t remember even Labour Party members getting a vote before Gordon Brown became PM.
RJ, Good point. If the Tories had gone down the same route as Labour, Osborne would be PM by now, God help us !
Or 1976 when Harold Wilson resigned and Slim Jim took over.
Nor Major, but he, at least, got some credibility by winning the following election which neither Callaghan nor Brown achieved.
I can’t actually see how the governing party can have an general election at the same time as the new leader selection. They would not be in a fair position to fight an election nor submit their ideas to the general public. A new leader needs to show what direction he/she is heading and what their new policies are before the electorate know what they are voting for or against. It doesn’t matter with the opposition party leadership change as they are not in power.
LOL Demon I forgot all about back to basics John Major.
It’s easily done.
The British system is that we vote for our constituency MP, hence why we sometimes get independent members of parliament. There is a widespread misconception that we vote for parties, party leaders or prime ministers. We do not; the parties are elected by electoral blocs, not individuals, party leaders are elected by the parties and the Prime Minister is appointed by the sovereign. Unfortunately none of this stuff is taught in schools so people get mixed up with the American system which they see on TV.
Dallas police shootings – selective reporting from BBC.
Four police officers have been shot dead in Dallas, in an apparent revenge killing for the ‘shooting of black men by white police officers’. Based on the unending coverage of this theme, one rather suspects that there are some in the BBC who approve of such things.
As ever, the BBC is selective in its reporting. In mentions that 4 officers were killed, but not that that 11 officers in total were shot, as reported by other media outlets. It states that it took place during ‘a protest’, but does not state which group organised the protest (it was Black Lives Matter, part of a group allegedly financed by someone who the BBC is very partial to – see http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/14/george-soros-funds-ferguson-protests-hopes-to-spur/). It repeats the old canard that white police officers kill more black suspects than any other type, despite the fact that there is no substantial evidence for this (see http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/21/police-kill-more-whites-than-blacks-but-minority-d/). As ever, the BBC does not let facts get in the way when there is an agenda.
Here are two links to the story as it stands at 6.30am Friday. Expect the BBC version to be updated when the day shift turns up and they have looked at this website.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36742835
http://news.sky.com/story/snipers-shoot-11-police-officers-at-protest-10495445
I have been in mercifully few dangerous or high stress situations. And my reactions have varied between confusion and panic and trying to figure out where the exit is.
So I have only the merest glimmer of what it can be like to be in the fog of such sudden exchanges. And only admiration for the vast majority of service personnel who head INTO such situations as part of their jobs, often operating on near zero situational awareness, unlike the armchair analysts in the media.
I have been told that the opening scenes ‘Saving Private Ryan’ were a masterpiece in describing what happened. My Dad’s descriptions of combat, not that he offered many unless pressed, were horrifying. Often at the sick realities. A shell had struck a crowded wardroom on his ship. He was rushing for a stretcher, but his CPO simply handed him a fire bucket and shovel.
By coincidence, last night I watched the first in a new season on a Canadian cop show called ’19-2′.
Gritty does not come close. Nor is it a Canada I recognise.
It deals with a high school murder rampage. It really was a thought provoking piece of theatre on what probably goes down.
Blue Lives Matter.
BBC Website reports alleged fraud by the late Philip Townshend councillor in Coventry but fails to mention which party he was in. Even a quick google couldn’t tell me. How strange.
He was Labour.
Wild, surprise, surprise ! That is why the BBC did not say ! Blatant bias.
BBC Facebokk:
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The ark was built by Christians who said they believe the biblical story was an historical event.
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Not sure the BBC faith editors have quite thought this one through, unless they again plan to stop with the one in question. Again
The emojis were a nice, light touch for serious reporting, though.
Not sure number 4 emoji will go down a storm with the staff who kicked off about the hog roast at W1A
Why would number 7 be on the ark?
Bilge. A BBC specialty. Seems the staff are upset the sushi isn’t fresh enough in the canteen.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36742835 The story BBc has been pushing for the last few days blows up. The sofa sloths tell us more than once the demonstration began “peacefully” Lets see how it pans out and who the snipers were
In other news continuing the long running anti-Russian agenda the sloths tell us “Hundreds” of British troops could be sent to the Baltic states to counter “Russian aggression”, .Although they fail to tell us what form exactly the “Russian aggression” is taking.
“Hundreds”. Putin will be quaking in his boots !
Mr Putin certainly will be bricking it. These are not ordinary combat troops – they are elite diversity specialists and climate change monitoring officers. All the Tupolevs and tanks in the world will not be able to defend the Russian Motherland against them: put your guns down now, Ivan!
Probably as well equipped as when I was in the Army then. If it rained or was “cold” you could sign out a parka with no buttons that you had to do up with string. Boots with the water repellent properties of cardboard even when shiny shiny covered in polish. I remember getting bollocked by the RSM as I had a ,small, hole in my jumper. I went of to the QM to be handed a small ball of wool as they didn’t have any jumpers in stock.
Still I suppose it’s all different now,
Ian, LOL !
Yes, but we have Diane Abbott.
Watch the Spetsnaz run.
What happens when the EU plays silly buggers during the Brexit negotiations and we tell them they can defend their eastern frontier with their EU army?
Am I alone in thinking that the supposed forthcoming announcement about women being able to engage in the British army is more about boosting troop numbers under the guise of promoting equal opportunities? Just as women being allowed to join the priesthood probably had similar motivations.
No, it’s just Dave the Tosser taking the piss as per usual, and imposing an unwanted and frankly dangerous piece of leftist dogma as a final two fingers to anyone stupid enough to believe that the Conservative Party might stand for any sort of traditional values.
This was the man who said he was in favour of gay marriage not despite being a Conservative, but because he was a Conservative. It seems that despite leading the party, he had never bothered to look up the word “conservative” in the dictionary. I know he’s lazy, but that’s ridiculous.
It’s amazing the stupidity a First in PPE can hide isn’t it? I am starting to think that PPE is Oxford’s equivalent of Media Studies.
Rob,
But PPE is 3 subjects in 3 years, so one a year. Just A-levels with knobs on, not exactly astrophysics. What I don’t understand is what kind of woman would want to fight in the front line ?
It’s quite telling listening to Radio 4 this morning. Yes, they’ve told us about the murder of the four policemen in Dallas, Texas, but there has been far more from the preachers and hate mongers and the usual race hustlers. We’ve heard from the parents of dead black lads and a dreadful tragedy it must be too, to lose a son. I’ve heard Jessie Jackson, yes, that old fake, and there have been numerous others ranting and raving about the evil of the police. Even Obama got a look in. It’s as if the Beeb are bombarding us with these people in an attempt to excuse the slaughter of these brave coppers.
And now we have four policemen, who were trying to protect the public, both black and white, dead on the streets of Dallas, mown down by a hate filled mob, fueled by loathing and hatred.
This is all far too tragic to make puerile political digs at our state broadcaster, but I do think they might have shown a little more decorum and left the poisonous race ranters off the air until the dust had settled.
Has Obama condemned the murders yet ?
If he had a s….wan off shotgun…
The BBC neither ‘gets it’, nor can it rid itself of its inbuilt bias towards the EU. This morning, on the Today programme, there were numerous segments from Sunderland, with the usual BBC attempts to frame the Brexit vote being the direct result of a racist attitude towards immigration. The BBC just can’t help it, it seems, when choosing which interview comments it plays to the public, comprising mainly anti-immigration responses from those who voted ‘Leave’ and apparently more ‘measured’ responses from those who voted ‘Remain’.
But apparently utterly biased reporting is crystal clear when the presenter in Sunderland moves on to another facet of the issue, prefacing it with a comment that people were now having to face up to the loss of the biggest export market the North-East has – namely the EU.
Beeboids really do have to be told to contain their bias a bit better – no-one (apart from the BBC, apparently) believes that we will lose all of our trade with the EU – or even knows if we will lose any significant part of it – and if the BBC prefaces its questions to the public with mis-information like that, then they have to be called to account.
Heard this Richard D.
Katy-our BBC gal up there in working-clarss-Sunderland.( sacred flame burns forever now!)
But no-Katy is asking some David Seaman Eeyore bloke up there(northern accent, not Makem though, not even Geordie etc) about EU funding not now being available for him to disburse as he used to.
Katy says you can hardly walk around the city(or is it town still?) without seeing a blue plaque showing how kind the EU has been to Pennywell etc..they make fetching blue and yellow hubcaps for the dogging community nearby, perhaps?
Our sad voiced man coyly resonates to Katys “cri de coeur”…”well then…would you say that Brexit has been a disaster for Sunderland?”(or was it catastrophe-nuanced Doomsday Index 2010?)
It wouldn`t matter what our Eeyorkshire chap said…”Brexit has been a naqba for the North East” will be what Katy says…but Katy lies.
Because Nick Robinson etc require this in sending Oxbridge interns up to where REAL people live-to insult, patronise and rerun their endless losing streaks of misery as “analysis”.
Sunderland and the Geordie Nation that it is now capital of…this now is Holy Ground!
Get the BBC out of there…no safe space, no Green Zones for the BBC traitors like Katie and Nick.
And start with Barak Road eh?…let`s see action up there!
It`s not as if you`ve not got loads of time to boycott, petition, march and then grow your OWN voice once again.
Katy won`t know this-but Sunderland(Nissan) and Swindon(Honda) were among the first to declare for OUT…and the likes of Nick, Sir Tony and Whitters won`t forget or forgive.
Get out of Sunderland and Swindon BBC-we have spoken, and it was not with your HawHaw voices…time to sing our own songs once again…UB40 said so!
Unbelievably the BBC coverage of the Dallas shooting has a link I hadn’t seen before:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-32740523
Why do US police kill unarmed black men?
WTF?
Plus at the bottom of their Dallas report is a graph of Black people killed by the police!! By the way. twice as many white people are killed by police. I guess by percentage it’s double for black people but then you need to look at crime stats etc…
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36742835
sorry, should have been posted below PJW video.
Clearly the BBC moves only in circles that matter.
PJW Nails it again. Nothing else to say really.
Dude has his facts to hand. The anologies in techniques with the BBC and such as Brexit or ME ‘reporting’ are striking.
Not sure Mr. Soros’ support for BLM is too different in motivation than Remain. Or Mr. Cameron’s founding signatory endorsement of UAF.
That’s brilliant! Succint, fact filled and punchy.
Agree wholeheartedly. When I’m feeling down about the way politics is going in our supposedly free democratic western societies, Pat Condell and PJW make me feel that someone is going to speak against this and at least provide some opposition. Thanks guys.
Superb video NS, one of his best, should be played at BBC staff meetings with live coverage so we can watch the meltdowns in real time as BBC staff struggle with facts that do not fit their extremely perverse, jaundiced and narrow world view. No doubt after counselling in a safe space some of the sturdier ones will be back to telling us how black is white and up is down.
If anyone at the BBC had any real integrity they would screen this video to balance the constant stream of shite they inflict on the nation, I don’t imagine for a second that it would penetrate the skulls of the truly brainwashed, but it may at least stimulate some debate.
I wish he’d tone down the shouting at the camera. Many people I have shown his videos immediately dismiss them because of his delivery style. He might be persuasive, on top of his subject, but if people cannot get past the first minute then he’s failed.
Agreed, I think he is just as effective when he tones it down a little, i’ve only seen this once! I think it was an initial unrehearsed? response to the Orlando shootings in which he came across as a warmer more viewer friendly individual, and just like when presenting in his usual style, equally genuine and passionate about the subject matter. The cut scene style makes him look a little angrier I think. Still, hats off, he has more about him than I did at his age to do what he does.
Can Nicky Campbells radio show get any more inane. So far two women who sound like they are on some kind of upper, are babbling on 10 to the dozen about women in power. It is utter womans magazine tosh and just the sort of boll**S I expect the Islington mob talk about around the dinner table. Serious issues debate properly, not on your nelly.
I keep seeing the ‘at last it’s ladies’ Day’ posts and wonder what happened back in, say 1969 or 1979.
It’s like the ‘it could happen here’ around Paris or Brussels just before the 7/7 anniversary.
Hope the gender fluid identity hustlers have managed to get non-sexist portaloos specially incorporated into the Wimbledon hospitality experience.
Or expect a boycott(can we call it that anymore) from Bruce or Bryan.
New balls please…arf arf…
LOL Maturecheese you are listening to the wrong channel!
Let me explain as the BBC would. They have to appeal to a broad audience, and if you wander into a newsagent and look at the magazines, you will see the vast majority are exactly the same.
If you want ‘serious debate’ (albeit skewed massively to the left) then listen to a different station!
Broad audience eh?
In the Frank Sinatra sense of “broad” …or the fat and obese sense of the word?
Both the Labour Party( and Amber Rudds Tory Party) call themselves “broad churches”
And the British Broad casting Companile religiously reports on the cloisterfucks and their doings.
All Gas and Gaiters…Oh Buddha!
But-in the broadest sense of the world-Andrea will continue the Revolution, as Corbyn holds the line for us all.
And the BBC are shafted,sifted and we`re finding it`s all husk and dust..not even reeds, let alone wheat.
So enjoy the view my friends…should be a long hot summer…
Can we keep Radio 3 though..and Lisa Tarbuck and Steve Wright, Brian Matthew and Nigel Ogden, Desmond Carrington please?
Did Keith or Liam (Howlett Media Productions since 1997) even go their own firesales?
BBC Dallas shooting report as of 2016:07:08 !0:28
A photograph of a protester in a wheelchair.
Entitled “The protest was peaceful until gunfire erupted” Tautologicus Maximus Stupidus.
A histogram of blacks shot dead by police officers, naturally no information on other police shootings, black crime rates etc. No need, all caused by racism.
The usual Obamabollox.
No information of the race of the murderers, the BBC does not use the term murder.
No demands for gun control, only white people must be without weapons.
Well worth £4,500,000 pa + Eurozone bribes.
I’ve just tried a google search for “Black Lives Matter” BBC for the past 24 hrs. First result is about celebrities tweeting about the shootings. The second result is from Daily Drop – BBC Three, the headline states:
“Officers killed during Black Lives Matter rally in Friday’s 3 From Three”……Fair enough
But the next two quotes from the same article made me choke on my coffee!
“Police say they’re “not satisfied” that they’ve apprehended all suspects after 11 officers were gunned down at a peaceful rally overnight”
AND
” Officials say two snipers opened fire on law enforcement officers during a peaceful Black Lives Matter protest”
FFS!!!
Strangely, I can’t see the phrase “Black Lives Matter” in the story that appears on the front page of the main BBC News page…….How odd.
TruthSeeker – Well said, but add three zeros to that figure!
BBC/C4/Daily Mirror and other assorted lefty cnuts ‘warning’ that Andrea Leadsom is ‘Thatcher Part 2’.
That is exactly what this country needs.
A good dose of Maggie.
Here, here. A leader, not an appeaser.
Isn’t that a bit sexist for the bBC to presume ‘Its another white woman so its going to be the same’.
Not very diverse these leftist.
If our next PM is half as good as our first woman PM then we are saved and can look forward with confidence.
Trouble is, Doublethinker, that I want someone as good as Maggie, be they male or female; black or white; Muslim or Jew but I am afraid that I don’t think that either Theresa or Andrea come anywhere near….and at a time when we need strong leadership.
I have a vote and even though this is a party election not a national one, I have always believed that it was important to carry out my democratic duty. I am thinking of not voting for a party leader or writing below my ballot ‘none of the above’.
Let the liberals ruminate and fantasise of their pre-Brexit world.
Let`s not fund it though-there`s a law against aiding and abetting terrorists…and those who continue to try and terrorise us even AFTER we failed to be cowed simpering Wrecks for Remaining ARE nothing else but terrorists.
But they know fuckall about jungle warfare…whereas we do.
Witness todays fish and chip paper re the greatness of May and the humbling of Gove….
Oafs…the exact opposite is forming nicely in the body politic.
First symptoms will be a sense of being bunged up…then an inability to “go”…and then a brisk dose of prune juice from Dr Gove and Mrs Leadsom…apres moi, le deluge eh Beeb?
Andrea Leadsom has a head start on Margaret Thatcher in that she already knows that the EU is an undemocratic disfunctional construct, and she will begin her work (please God, it will be she) as the PM of a democracy, which no PM since Ed Heath has done. As everyone knows, Thatcher rather belated came to realise fully what the EC really was and what its ambitions, which is when Heseltine, Howe, Hurd and Clarke realised she had to be got rid of.
Yes, good point Martin.
From the early 70s at least Maggie was in on the EEC/Common Market.
No disgrace in that-nearly everybody else in the UK agreed that the best we could hope for was “managed decline”, but it was Powell she ought to have learned from.
But she was scared of being tainted, she was a consummate politician remember?
I bet Charles Moore will cover her final disillusion with the whole European Project as it unfurled/unravelled before her eyes in his third and final magisterial volume of her biography.
But her conversion back to the bright side would have to include Fontainbleu 84, Delors and Bruges in 88-as well as the manoeverings of Howe and other Europhiles like Howe and Brittain.
Leadsom will know all this, and will appreciate that Maggies growing up in public was painful-but she went round the ludicrous learning curve so that Andrea would no have no need to.
The outgoing OFSTED Appeaser In Chief( and to be fair, he was a good headteacher) tells us that certain areas are not playing ball re `equality” “sex education” and “diversity appreciations”…or was it human rights?…usual Obamabollox anyway.
The places-shall we try and guess.
Here are the clues
1. Trojan Horse
2. Ray Honeyford
3. Tommy Robinson.
Or-Brum, Bradford and Luton if you like.
There just MAY be a link here Sir Michael Wilshaw…there seems to be a pattern here eh Susan Reay…but damned if I can see it.
Here`s the upcoming school nativity play from one of these three places, whilst we tiptoe through the poppy fields with Jon Snows houseboy..
Now-if we do THIS in SureStart here…there`ll finally be a return to schools from our hitherto-alienated Muslim friends…so win win all round I say…
ChrisH, Come on ! It is no different from me and my friends playing cowboys and native Americans when we were boys.
Remind me – how did unrestricted immigration work out for the native Americans?
Tsk tsk RJ, that’s covered in Marxism 101! Immigration of white people into non-white countries is ‘plunder’, ‘exploitation’, ‘oppression’ etc. Immigration of non-white people into white countries is ‘enrichment’, ‘diversity’, etc.
Here`s a clip from Israeli telly.
Compare Eylons courtesy to this EU meatball…let`s him answer-even though its provocative and bland at the same time.
1.Thank God we`ve gone-if this EU spongebag is their Ambassador to Israel, then the EU clearly wants war there.
2. And when did the EU get to place Ambassadors in other countries?
3. Can I send my £145.50 to the IBA in that at least I get professional questionning of an existential enemy of his own nation?
As opposed to bloody Laurie Taylor and Richard bacon FFS?
Do aspects of this sound familiar?
HORRIFIC: These are the injuries inflicted on boy tortured with HOT IRON over £80 debt
Perhaps the BBC will point out the similarities to Kriss Donald.
BBC Website on the Birmingham tragedy has so many mispellings of Gambian names, it makes you doubt the BBC’s accuracy on anything. I have noticed the same over the years with Turkish names. Don’t they check anything ?
Only if the photoshop is able to give good image with suitable moneyshots.
They really don`t give a damn about anything other than their own agenda-and, as long as a Beeboid can pose beside a pool of blood and affect emotions…then there`s a Hari Prize going next January.
Hence the joy of the BBC to go their dead MP as Jo Cox…you must be Jo King would have been open to mockery.
Hope that Daniel Kawczynski is happy to known as Danny Kaye, should anything befall him.
Lazy phone-it-wankers…only hope we begin to ban them from places like Sunderland, Swindon and Basildon, so they`ll have no other choice.
Night soil specialists in failure…