520 Responses to MID WEEK OPEN THREAD….

  1. TheGreatEscape says:

    Under the ”Inspiring Stories” section on the BBC news app.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-40132396
    Who on Earth would this inspire?

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    • lojolondon says:

      Fantastic example of not letting the facts get in the way of a story. BBC could have let someone proof-read this garbage – have a laugh at this quote :
      “She met him just at the moment when photos of him, and of several of his compatriots, were being published in newspapers around the world, because they had sewn their lips together in protest at the appalling living conditions in the Jungle.
      “I sat down and then he came over and very gently he asked me if I would like a cup of tea, and then he went and made me tea, and it was a bit of a shock. It was love at first sight,” she says.
      “It was just his look, it was so soft. There they were with their lips sewn up and they ask me, do I want some tea?”

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      • chrisH says:

        The Jim Naughtie Award heading from the Nobel Prize for Literature is surely to be found in this masterpiece of dyadic reportage from a Hampstead cafe.
        The Left has its very own Barbara Cartland here.

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      • StewGreen says:

        The article has an elephant of a contradiction
        “It was love at first sight,” she says.
        \\Now here she was helping her migrant lover, Mokhtar, whom she had met in the so-called Jungle migrant camp in Calais, to sneak into Britain.//

        If this Calais woman loves him, then why’s she sent him to France.
        .Morever why does the BBC waste time on reporting such stuff, if it’s not going to challenge and ask such questions ?

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      • Up2snuff says:

        lojo, must have been the Muslim equivalent of a ‘gottle of geer’ moment.

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    • ToobiWan says:

      A guest appearance on the Great British Sewing Bee perchance, TGE?

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      • G.W.F. says:

        This lip sewing sounds like a good idea. How about it Owen Jones, Lily Allen, and a few BBC presenters like
        Mishal Hussein?
        As for the latter, I have found it possible to say ‘Not enough Jews killed’ with my mouth closed.

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  2. Lobster says:

    I’ve just driven along one of the main roads into Birmingham, and virtually every Conservative poster on the lamp posts has been defaced, whereas all the Labour ones appeared to be intact. Message to Treeza – Remind me again which party you once described as the “Nasty Party” …..

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    • ToobiWan says:

      Same here Lobbie, any Tory voters who enjoy intact windows do not advertise their voting intentions.

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  3. Beeb Brother says:

    James Corden on BBC website: “This is not a country that feels afraid.”

    Yes it is. If you are not afraid you are an idiot. No amount of feeling positive or celebrity wank festa will solve this problem.

    Is fear racist now? Obama said in the run up to the election that you should have hope rather than fear. If a car is speeding towards you, you get out of the way. You do not hope it does it hit you when it probably will. Too much fear is cowardice. Too little is recklessness. Clearly to have no fear in this situation is reckless. The people at Borough Market decided to not be afraid and now they are dead. Is it worth dying to seem tolerant? I guess anything is worse than being racist.

    How useless are the Beeb at a time of crisis? They just wheel out a couple of celebrities to talk patent nonsense. It’s not exactly Churchill is it?

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    • JimS says:

      Isn’t James Corden the actor that plays the prat that parks a car? I don’t know what it is that he is advertising because evertime I see it I think, “Prat!”.

      But then he always comes across as someone that the proverbial three short planks would laugh at. Prat.

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      • ToobiWan says:

        I can’t stand blokes whose collar size is greater than their hat size, the fat bastard!

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    • StewGreen says:

      I imagine it’s just clever PR that his PR people thought up
      ..and he just read it out of the autocue.
      Certainly got the show enough free coverage .

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    • Grant says:

      Never heard of him. But , if he is a luvvie, his opinion on anything other than luvvieness is no more important than mine. Maybe even less so as most luvvies seem to be somewhat intellectually challenged.

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      • ToobiWan says:

        Gavin and Stacy? The fat, smug get is a bloody OBE as well! Has a face one would never tire of smacking!
        Apologies to those of a sensitive nature for the image below.

        James-Corden-GET.jpg

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        • BRISSLES says:

          OBE ????? what the hell for ? I didn’t know him either until I saw him on the car parking advert.

          I gave up long ago watching Sun reader tele – the blokey shows that aren’t funny, the inane quiz shows where the participating slebs are too thick to answer the questions, and the reality shows where only the hosts get the mega bucks pay days.

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    • Cranmer says:

      I have suspected for a while that this idea that we should ‘carry on as normal’ (ie, pretend nothing has happened) is because the alternative is to admit that certain ethno-religious groups have a higher propensity for evil acts than others. For many people in modern Britain this is Wrongthink; a fate worse than death. It is their equivalent of the Sin Against the Holy Ghost that people used to live in mortal terror of committing.

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  4. StewGreen says:

    Just cos Alex Jones is wrong
    ..that doesn’t mean that CNN is right.
    Anyone else listen to R4 Media Show which Amol opened with a debunk of the “CNN staged a Muslim demonstration” meme.
    LibMobs standard MO is to begin by misrepresenting their opponents case
    I’ve forgotten the name, but there is a technique where you cherrypick the most extreme idiot on your opposition and debunk him, and don’t address the less hyperbolic things reasonable opponents said.
    – In this case Amol played a clip of Jones shouting loudly and talking about a camera crew of 70, men dressed as women, fake beards etc..
    Thus the CNN bloke was easily able to say…No none of those things ever happened.

    Then they played a clip of a crowd shouting CNN is ISIS, which again is clearly ridiculous.
    Having portrayed the opposition as nuttters
    the CNN was a able to pass of its actions as reasonable
    ‘ ..Some Muslim group turned up not to do a demonstration, but to make a statement about fundraising,
    yes we told them where to stand, but that’s just trick of the trade, cos we don’t want people half out of shot.

    The things is that’s fine if CNN said that in their report .that it was just a publicity stunt
    and NOT a demonstration..but I’m not sure they did.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08sks7d

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    • popeye says:

      I think that’s reductio ad absurdum Stew – certainly the absurdum is fitting for the BBC!

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      • StewGreen says:

        No not quite
        that is about something leading to the absurd
        whereas this is choosing an absurd example to debunk.
        By focusing on an absurd like Jones they are making a strawman of the rational argument.
        “highlighting the extreme in order to make their own behaviour appear mild”

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    • StewGreen says:

      Jeez I just checked the original video
      Amol has a cheek in saying that there is nothing fake a bout it
      It looks very fake CNN didn’t walk down the street and film an event
      SOMEONE set it up where the press were already filming and she started filming as soon as it was ready.
      A reasonable person would call it staged..even tho we don’t know the extent of the staging ..like was it pre-arranged ? who brought the signs ? etc.
      From the Youtuber

      And it happened. After day and a half on trending page, video got demonetized and promptly taken from trending vids page. Well, it was good while it lasted, hopefully it gave some of you new perspective on how “news” works.

      From Twitter timeline:
      – CNN also timed this, BBC wanted to film it when they were on air, were having non of it
      – Note the white police officers leaving before the CNN shot & the Asian officers coming in. They then left after they went off air!

      See the video with context Breitbart
      and conservativesavage.com

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      • G.W.F. says:

        StewGreen

        It is a fallacy of relevance. Pointing out an absurdity committed by one’s opponent does not support the
        conclusion that your opponent’s argument is wrong.

        As for the CNN video – even if the demonstrators were genuine and not plants, the manner in which it was scripted is a well established breach of journalistic media ethics. It is unethical to script a live event and then present it as live

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  5. Peter Sausages says:

    Would really love Liebour to lose tomorrow,and see the BBC luvvies squirm again !

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    • chrisH says:

      Because we no longer have any sense of recent history, how many of us recall Cleggmania in 2010, Milifandom in 2015 and all the Sturgeon guff from 2014 onwards.
      So Corbyn gets the lefties surrounding him and the youth throws him petals, as the BBC immerses itself in its lazy fantasies of being at the Dawn Of History?
      It`s all been said. As has that “late surge of youth rushing to vote for Labour”…as has that ” hung Parliament of Progressive Agency being a possibility”…as has that “shock polls are showing that”…
      At our age, we have no excuses not to recall it all.
      Hold firm, be ready to resist the endless Lefty stirrings on Friday-they can`t get away with this as we pay for it.
      The snowflakes and the media snowblower need wrecking in the same way as they`ve been doing here to us in the UK.
      The Lennonists are easier to clobber than the Leninists, but both will need counselling.

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      • Grant says:

        cH,

        Let’s hope you are right.

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      • Beltane says:

        On the nail as usual chrisH. It’s fashionable to fret about ‘fake news’ but what we should be far more concerned about, and investigate after tomorrow, is ‘fake crowds’. The logistics of importing those hordes of baying Corbynistas might seem impressive, on the surface, but the degree of manipulation they represent is a bloody sight more worrying than any lack of charisma in Teresa May.
        Come on Electoral Commission, check out the coach hire bill.

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      • StewGreen says:

        You know what happened with Jesus ?

        …they crucified him

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    • Grant says:

      Peter,

      I can’t be bothered staying up for the result, but I am sure that some here will and can report the look on Dimblebore’s face. At least this will be the bastard’s last General Election.

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    • StewGreen says:

      We could buy their champagne off them half price.
      3 in a row Brexit, Trump, Brexit mandated government.

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  6. G says:

    “Who do you trust”, Treezer asks her audience today. Not you dear. In fact, that’s the dilemma tomorrow: I want to vote but not for those that have contributed wholly or in the main to this multiculti mess the country is in. And, the Conservatives tell us that immigration is unlikely to drop, “within the next Parliament”. That sounds more like a ‘long-grass’ job to me. They really mean, ‘if ever’. Thanks politicos.
    I don’t remember who said it here, but it has been said that, “….perhaps a wasted vote but a vote for UKIP will not be a vote for any other party that is determined to extinguish altogether any British identity. Makes sense to me.

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    • gaxvil says:

      G,
      Yes, yes and yes. UKIP.

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      • ToobiWan says:

        UKIP split the vote in my constituancy, in 2015, gax, unseating the sitting Tory and letting in a labour bisexual, remaniac, wet behind the ears, gender studies bint on a 1200+ majority. UKIP aren’t standing this time around, so fingers crossed, bye bye labour.
        Had a photocopied, handwritten note through the door today, from a “concerned” (read labour) neighbour who pointed out that we should only vote for and be represented by someone who has a local address. Labour, Greens, LabDum candidates say they live local, so, who does that leave? Let me see!
        This is our very own, Trump v Clinton election!

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        • Rick Bradford says:

          @ToobiWan

          She seems like a real piece of work – a Corbynite, no less, and one of those nitwits who push the idea that because young people tended to vote against Brexit somehow morally invalidates the overall result.

          Here’s hoping Eric gets back in.

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          • ToobiWan says:

            Nice bit of detective work there, Rick, in the words of the League of Gentlemen, “Are you “local”?” 🙂

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    • Grant says:

      G,

      “Not you dear” . LOL ! I don’t trust any of the buggers .

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    • touchjudge says:

      I have no option to vote UKIP. I am a conservative but living in the deputy speaker’s constituency ( she of crooked Westminster property deals, pro HS2) I can’t in all conscience give her my vote.

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    • imaynotalwaysloveyou says:

      I walk home from work through a street I think of as ‘Modern Parents Avenue’ (anyone remember Modern Parents from Viz?). Every other (gentrified) house has a Labour or Green poster in the window. It’s the hub of an awful local ‘charity’ that promotes reclaiming the streets for your middle class kids to play in, every now and again the council lets them block off the road for some lefty community street party nonsense. They get their indoctrinated brats to scrawl in chalk things like ‘no more cars’ on the pavement.

      As irritating as this is, it’s not enough to make me vote Conservative because Labour has a 7000 majority, the city is unsalvageble and can’t be won from the reds. So it’s still UKIP for me.

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  7. gaxvil says:

    Watching the Carole King, Hyde Park concert. It seems an age ago, a different world.
    It was last July.

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    • BRISSLES says:

      Gaxvil, It certainly is a different world, but it feels like centuries ago when I used to dance around my handbag to the Carole King hits back in the 60’s !!! Totally wrong of us to enjoy ourselves (according to today’s generation) when we should have been considering the future plight of the children we were to have – or not; and shouldn’t have struggled to marry, have kids and kept our homes in pristine condition whether buying or renting; and to beat ourselves black and blue that we had ‘free’ education, plentiful supply of jobs and mortgage interest rates of 16% at one point !

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      • Grant says:

        Brissles,

        Those were the days. Happy memories except for one thing. I kept on getting banned from discos for dancing around my handbag.

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        • BRISSLES says:

          No Grant, you clearly didn’t get the memo. You blokes were supposed to be standing around the dance floor in little groups cuddling your pints, until the last dance, – at which point you either made a grab for the nearest female to shuffle around the floor with, or made a bee line for the exit !!

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          • Grant says:

            Brissles,

            I thought the best way to get a girl was to copy them. It didn’t work.

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            • gaxvil says:

              My Mom warned me about, ‘Men with handbags’.

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            • ToobiWan says:

              Did I once hear you mention you were a ginger, Grant?

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              • Grant says:

                gax/Toobi

                Oh God, I wish I hadn’t started this one. Where is the delete button ? Please help me someone .

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                • Up2snuff says:

                  Demob humour!

                  We may need it.

                  Hung Parliament on Friday with tiny chance of minority Tory Government.

                  Eventually formed & May goes to Palace.

                  Another GE in October.

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                  Just kiddin’!

                  Honest.

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                  • Grant says:

                    Up2,

                    Face it , you are an election addict. I would get medical help for that.

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                    • Up2snuff says:

                      LOL!

                      I was.

                      It’s true. But even I have found this one hard going. I intended to do a weekly review but that petered out and Manchester took the wind out of my sails. London on top, was again disheartening. Tory manifesto didn’t help either.

                      Obviously no-one on here was too upset, though.

                      About the lack of my weekly General Election reports, that is.

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                    • Grant says:

                      Up2,

                      Can’t see a reply button . I was not at all upset until I saw your post just now. Suddenly I feel sad, very sad. Have you ever thought of getting a life. Just a thought .

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                  • ToobiWan says:

                    Mrs Wan, Rubi, listening to Nigel Farage informs me that he is predicting a 65 majority for Teresa.

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                    • Up2snuff says:

                      Think it will be better than it seemed possible one week ago but I reckon that is generous. There was a GE HYS Thread on the BBC w/s today that has over 5000 posts. I didn’t participate but just had a quick look at Lowest & Highest rated posts.

                      Definitely unfavourable to Labour, so an indicator of a Tory win (the BBC HYSs were accurate on the EU Referendum, unlike the proper Polling Cos.) but probably less than 50, I think.

                      However, do not discount a Falklands Effect from the terror attacks. Although Theresa May was not strong in her leadership after either attack, imv, that may not be what influences the voters. Just the fact of the attacks will be enough for them for now.

                      Maybe.

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                    • Kaiser says:

                      i dont know anybody cept my dad who will fess up to being a conservative

                      work is full of people in denial about corbyn, either he is no longer a terrorist supporting marxist, or he never was a terrorist supporting marxist, seems that new suit the piss soaked tramp has got, really impresses a lot of people, when i point out he probably didnt buy it from M&S they just look at me blankly

                      but on the up side i dont know anyone who will fess up voting for brexit either, cept my dad

                      but i do have to say … sharia may is borrowing my vote possibly for the last time

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          • Manxman says:

            Ha that was easy sorted, first on the floor for slowies got the fittest bird, cost a can of labbatts to the DJ to find out the order of the last few records, then it was come here 10 seconds before the slowey started.

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  8. chrisH says:

    I do hope someones looking at what the BBC are doing in their coverage.
    The 6 O clock news images, and settings for the respective leaders is very Soviet, Peter Berger, medium as message stuff.
    As if none of us know what they`re doing.

    May on plane, quiet small business support, equivocal, and questions asked of them re Brexit-not REALLY a good thing surely love?
    Corbyn getting mobbed hugged and weeping types , no questions why the hell they`d want THIS traitor when his own MPs loath him so.
    And Farron?..well, no policies at all, just stop Brexit, vote tactically and stymie May FFS.
    Disgraceful-continual “end austerity “posters, “scrap tuition fees now” etc…all nicely placed behind Kuennsberg. I am SICK of this-when is some useless Tory going to get a stopwatch out and blasst them to hell for us?
    Labour will be preventing elections if the media is so encouraged to behave like this. Pyongyang style indeed.
    Time to dig up what BBC staff are earning-and who`s paying for this crap, if not Soros and Bilderberg?

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    • Grant says:

      cH,

      Years ago I set myself a target of trying to understand 50 % of what you write.

      After 4 BBCless weeks on “The Smiling Coast of Africa ” ( I think they mean the people are smiling, not the coast. In fact even the Military Police at the airport were smiling. Why, I hear you ask, are there MPs there but no soldiers ?. I haven’t a clue and I doubt if they do either. There must be an explanantion. On the other hand , maybe not. ) I finally achieved my goal with your post above.

      Keep it up old boy and don’t give up the scrumpy.

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  9. BRISSLES says:

    Grant ……Years ago I set myself a target of trying to understand 50 % of what you write.

    So glad I’m not the only one. Didn’t mention it before for fear of being considered a bit dim !

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    • Grant says:

      Brissles,

      Grant who ? cHs posts are totally surreal. I blame the scrumpy.

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      • Wild says:

        ChrisH is a poet.

        If you don’t like reading his posts I wouldn’t recommend you read Shakespeare. You will get even more lost.

        I can generally follow his posts, they are passionate and eloquent, but it does I admit sometimes require a bit (a lot) of background cultural knowledge (often of popular music) to appreciate them. At his best he is brilliant.

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        • Grant says:

          Wild,

          I know. I have also been taking the p out of him for a about 10 years ! I don’t think he will be offended. Some years ago, I suggested that he compile a book of his postings. Maybe an e-book. The readership would be limited but it would gather them all in one place. He used to be a schoolteacher. Wish I had been in his class in more ways than one.

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          • Wild says:

            ok 😉

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            • chrisH says:

              What a nice sub thread!
              I too get a lot out of this site-my wife and kids would long have dumped me had I not been able to sound off and riff on rubbish as I do.
              Don`t get on as easily as previous-this XP lark on the computers keeps me back at 2007 levels of access-but get by enough to enjoy all I see here.
              Great people-lots of links and references to other stuff that sends me laughing. Still teach-albeit rarely more than a couple of days, if its RE or History, Media or Global Warming/Third World debt(the latter being geography and science pretty much). Normally get asked to leave then-but so what!
              Will get a few Scottish beers in for tomorrow in your honour grant, hoping for a Brexit type of night.
              Anything other that a 60+majority for the useless Tories-and I think I`ll plan for Poland. Seen enough of Venezuelan clips on RT to see where we`re going under the likes of McDonnell and Starmer.
              For now I`ll party plan a double State funeral for Corbyn and Abbott-sort of thing that cheers me up at times like these!
              How did they do suttee with fat bloaters, can`t be carbon neutral can it?

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        • Up2snuff says:

          Wild, nearest thing we have to a Kerouac.

          🙂

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          • Steve Jones says:

            I thoroughly enjoy chrisH’s posts. As with most people, it took me a while to appreciate them properly. Deciphering them gives me the same satisfaction as finishing a good cryptic crossword with the bonus of genius comedic observations thrown in.
            Keep up the good work chrisH.

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            • chrisH says:

              Most kind, all of you.
              Owe this site greatly.
              Always gives hope that not everybody is a public sector pimp that relies on the Beehive for a living or received opinions. Like many here-I too was an idiot lefty who`d have doubtless loved Corbyn before kids, New Labour and Gore.
              Worked at a highish level up north as Blair started his reign, caused havoc, had to move-and hate that tendency with a venom.
              God works through media, is having a laugh with us-and uses comedy music and current events to scream at what we`ve been allowing to fester in our old universities and unions.
              Still in closest touch with the far left, so have some ideas what they want to do via Burston, Tolpuddle, Clay Cross etc as sent to me(or I get to sit in at seminars. Much as I loath them-they`re sincere, and share good beers with me. But the plastic pimps who ride them and make it all palatable to idiot kids in schools and colleges?…these are far more sinister, and infest our politics, media, unions, public sectors and quangos.
              About the only weapons we have for them is their hypocrisies, their twisted histories, willingness to let Blair etal run them to chickenfat
              Utter low bore, low grade unthinking ciphers of whatever the Progressing Deep State sends down the dustpipe to them.
              Detestable scum…it`s our job to derail them as and when.

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  10. Guest Who says:

    Paul Mason… on Newsnight… again?

    Colour me shocked.

    However, as a vote changing weapon he is on par with the sadly in de spozed ex-ShadHo Mx. Abbott, so all good.

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    • Wild says:

      I have noticed that people on the Left seem to struggle to smile. They have to pull their face into smiling mode. It does not come naturally. Their natural resting position is a sort of scowl or sneer. Bubbling up inside them is a constant anger, which the scowling and sneering seems to be an attempt to control. They are not happy people and are best avoided.

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      • Grant says:

        Wild,

        Yes, they are never happy because their lives are based on hate. All of the best humour is on the right. The most classic example is the utterly repulsive James O’Brien on Newsnight. I would almost feel sorry for him if he wasn’t such a total cnut.

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        • gaxvil says:

          True -you can play that game with pictures – spot the lefty.

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          • Grant says:

            gax,

            Good idea for one the BBC’s scintillating game shows.

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          • Up2snuff says:

            Speaking of pictures, Gax and Grant, did anyone listen to ‘All in the Mind’ with Claudia Hammond this afternoon?

            Amazing.

            Seemed like a blatant bit of General Election interfering to me.

            Moscow Central would have been proud of her.

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            • Grant says:

              Up2,

              I wonder if MI6 are looking at possible BBC interference in the Election ?

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              • Up2snuff says:

                Grant, don’t think it counts as media interference until midnight tonight.

                The BBC w/s will not have the newspapers front pages tomorrow under the BBC’s misinterpretation of the Purdah rules. Daft. Nothing to stop you and me looking at them in the newsagents on the way to vote. It’s usually what the Beeb writes underneath the pics, and chooses to use verbally on TODAY, that is a possible influence.

                They are free to influence until then but would claim to be neutral. After all the fuss they have made over the US Presidential Election, I have found the hypocrisy from W1A hard to take.

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        • ToobiWan says:

          Reminds me of something I think Robin Williams or Rich Hall said when asked why Germans have no sense of humour (why he should be asked this is any bugger’s guess) his answer was, “because they gassed all the comedians”

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  11. BRISSLES says:

    Haven’t heard about this on the News –

    “Karrien Stevens, who runs Little Diamonds nursery on Hermon Hill where the victim works, told the Standard the three attackers were “chanting the Koran”.

    She said: “A staff member was coming to work when three Asian girls came up behind her chanting the Koran.

    “They pulled her to the ground, kicking and punching her.

    “One of them got the knife out and cut her arm.

    “They were shouting about Allah, that and the Koran.”

    The nursery manager added the attack had “nothing to do with the nursery”.

    It is not being treated as terrorist-related.

    The three suspects fled the scene before police arrived. Met officers and paramedics sped to the scene and found the victim suffering from a stab wound.

    She was taken to a hospital in east London. Her injuries are not thought to be life-threatening.

    No one has yet been arrested and enquiries into what happened continue.

    A Met spokesman added: “The Met’s Counter Terrorism Command has been made aware of the incident but is not investigating at this time.”

    It may not be ‘terrorist related’ , but isn’t it strange that had it been a Muslim girl attacked by three white girls with weapons it would have been all over the news.

    http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/nursery-worker-beaten-and-stabbed-by-three-women-shouting-about-allah/ar-BBCeXh2?li=AAmiR2Z&ocid=ientp

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    • gaxvil says:

      Hmm ….. sure sounds like a hate crime to me?

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    • ToobiWan says:

      “It is not being treated as terrorist-related.” I wonder if it counts as a hate crime? If so, I wouldn’t want to be in their sandals, penalties for hate crimes tend to be more severe, people have actually died in prison after commiting a hate crime!

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      • Lobster says:

        Toobi – As we all know it all depends on who is doing the “hating”.

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    • StewGreen says:

      David has started a new thread on this ..how Allah was left out of the BBc article

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  12. Wild says:

    If it had been it been a Muslim girl stabbed by three white girls (or even better three Jewish girls) screaming “This is from Jehovah” it would have been the lead item.

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  13. gaxvil says:

    At it again at the kids’ school. Mock election tomorrow but UKIP not an option and the word in school is, “Look at all the stuff Labour is offering!”

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  14. RJ says:

    J P Morgan have produced a report on Brexit. I’m sure that the BBC will report all the negative comments, but I wonder if they’ll mention this fact:

    “UK economic output is about nine percent higher in real terms than a decade ago, relying on IMF figures. But GDP per head is up just two percent.”

    It seems that all the economic benefits of immigration have been spent on the immigrants. Who would have thought it?

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    • Up2snuff says:

      Many years ago, RJ, a Panel Member on a summer Any Questions who was from the BAME community, let slip the information that the total remitted back to the Indian sub-continent then from UK earnings was £6bn p.a.. His business was money transmission so he knew what he was talking about.

      You could probably double that number now thanks to inflation. Then you would need to add the savings of East Europeans who are here short term that they take back to start businesses or buy homes. Then there are the Aussies, Kiwis, South Africans, Americans & Canadians who may be offshoring their earnings, too. If they are high paid, luvvies, pop stars, sports people, etc., then more so.

      It all gets worse if these earnings do not come from the private sector but from the taxpayer, via the State. The tax paid on them then is not real money; it is merely recycled money.

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  15. gaxvil says:

    And this from Cheshire Police on Facebook:-
    “We would remind all social media users to think carefully about what they are saying before posting messages online. Although you may believe your message is acceptable, other people may take offense, and you could face a large fine or up to two years in prison if your message is deemed to have broken the law.”

    ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

       29 likes

    • Grant says:

      gax,

      My message to Cheshire Police. “I take offence at your message so just bugger off “.

         31 likes

      • gaxvil says:

        Thing is, I wrote something a while back, forgot it, then re-read it and I was quite offended. What recourse do I have?

           10 likes

        • Grant says:

          gax,

          Report yourself to the police.

             4 likes

          • gaxvil says:

            I did but they said there was insufficient evidence!

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            • Grant says:

              I am happy to testify !

                 2 likes

              • BRISSLES says:

                I’m just thinking if you did end up in prison and the other inmates asked what you were in for; how stupid it sounds to say ‘for a text message that someone took offence to’. Bloody unbelievable.

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  16. Al Shubtill says:

    I wonder how long it will be before they start doing this here? Hopefully the Spaniards rediscovered some of their medieval genes when they got this c**t outside.

    Mind you good old Treeza will sort it when she’s reelected; after all she did her damnedest to put Tommy Robinson, at as great a risk as possible when he was in prison and she was Home Secretary.

       17 likes

    • Grant says:

      Al,

      If that had happened here the police would have arrested the people at the wedding.

         14 likes

  17. Mice Height says:

    Nice jump-cut in this interview, courtesy of the BBC editing team.

    https://twitter.com/KTHopkins/status/872528661701853185

       18 likes

    • Mice Height says:

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      • Jeff says:

        It’s not just that our wonderful police aren’t treating it as a terrorist attack, our beloved mayor isn’t even considering it as a hate crime. I only know this because the diminutive Mr Khan was on BBC radio this afternoon lecturing the good people of London about the appalling increase in these sort of crimes.
        Apparently since Saturday’s murders people are being devilishly intolerant. Can you believe it? Someone looked really harshly at a bearded individual and, quite understandably, the recipient of the stare immediately contacted the police. It simply isn’t good enough.
        I can’t understand how both the mayor and the BBC have missed this story. I mean it’s got everything they usually thrive on.
        This was clearly an unprovoked racial attack. It seems to have involved Muslims seeing as the assailants were chanting “Allah” as they kicked their victim to the ground. The poor lass was young, unarmed, the attack was unprovoked and the girl is now in hospital with stab wounds and broken ribs. Sounds a bit like a “hate crime” to me…
        Oh, hold on, I think I may know why the Beeb and Sadiq don’t seem to be overly concerned about this violent crime or the condition of the victim..
        She’s white…

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      • nogginator says:

        “not a terrorist attack”
        Buddy, they could run an artic down oxford street at 60 mph … quadruple the death count
        The vanity project election, has to go on, you know that … so … “nothing to see”

        Liar May has not the slightest regard for you, not at all, any of us
        she got a few “pockets to line”
        and … if you don t know now people.
        then just wait for “Brexit” you will then, the next scapegoat

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  18. StewGreen says:

    Bus man has big bag of knives in “The safest global city in the world”
    June 5 East Ham three large knives on bus

    There is a longer video

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  19. Dover Sentry says:

    BBC Online News:

    “”Watergate ‘pales’ beside Trump allegations””

    “”The former US director of national intelligence was commenting on an investigation into alleged links between Russia and Donald Trump’s presidential campaign. “”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/40187457/watergate-pales-beside-trump-russia-allegations-james-clapper

    The BBC have accepted this wild claim without providing a balanced response.
    If the speaker had said that Trump was the best President ever, you can be sure the BBC would have provided a response.

    Bias by omission. A standard BBC tactic.

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    • StewGreen says:

      It’s also quote farming
      Reporters feel out for people who fit THEIR narrative
      and air the most extreme quotes from them
      Whilst ignoring everyone else’s.

      That’s how they do science panic stories.
      They just keep phoning around until they get to a scientist who will say that something is a catastrophe
      and don’t bother airing the views of the previous 99.

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    • Kaiser says:

      they still at the russian shit

      man ive got a relation in prestwich mental hospital who went full tin foil hat

      and even she couldnt come up with a theory that mad

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  20. nogginator says:

    In truth, the erm hate-crime spike looks more like a classic manipulated panic, a constructed ‘crisis’.
    Citizen Khan – Spike in Hate/ islamofauxbia
    Sorry Sad IQ … incorrect, they ve actually gone down
    but … there is a concerted effort to alter the stats
    http://metro.co.uk/2017/06/07/theres-been-a-spike-in-hate-crime-after-london-attack-heres-how-to-report-it-6692337/
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/london-bridge-attack-latest-rise-islamophobic-hate-crimes-borough-market-stabbing-terror-police-a7777451.html

    BBC News – Fear ‘stops Muslims reporting hate crime’
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-40170474
    “Fear of the unknown is preventing Muslims from reporting hate crimes, a senior police officer has said.
    Manchester Chief Superintendent Wasim Chaudhry (shakes head) said incidents in Greater Manchester may be under-reported as the numbers have fallen, since a spike after the 22 May bombing”.

    What! … is this garbage!
    numbers of erm “hate” crime down? … well that’s good news isn t it?
    why encourage more? … looks like, according to Mr Chaudry,
    that muslims are more victim than any one else … otherwise why push it?.

    “I get the fact that not everyone is comfortable and confident coming to a police officer or to the police,” Ch Supt Chaudry said.
    He believes people do not know they can report hate crimes online to anti-hate crime organisations
    True Vision or Tell Mama, which works with the victims of anti-Muslim attacks,
    but said it is “incumbent” on people to report them”.

    How about this one Citizen Khan
    Nursery manager Karrien Stevens said the woman told her she was slashed by three Asian women dressed in black. 3 Ropers, knives … terror attack/hate attack no question
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40189916

    Arson attacks on Kosher restaurants are being treated as linked anti-semitic hate crimes by police
    … Why are these not terror attacks? Mr Chaudry?
    http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/arson-attacks-kosher-restaurants-being-13147921
    An arson attack on Ta’am Deli and Grill, on Bury New Road, is thought to be linked to another attack at JS Restaurant, on King’s Road

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    • nogginator says:

      Met Police – 25 hate crime arrests have been made since the terror attacks in London on Saturday night.
      hmm … Does not include the 3 Ropers that attacked slashing the nursery manager with knives, one can assume?

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    • G says:

      Nogg,
      Particularly intriguing in view of the fact that these ridiculous so-called, “crimes” can be recorded anonymously.

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  21. Sluff says:

    The weather forecast for tomorrow is pretty bad. Rain, wind, cold.
    There is a possibility that all those young Trot-supporting students will brave the rain and vote for Jezza while those ageing Tories may prefer to sit snug at home.
    So better to give your elderly relative and neighbour a lift to the polling station in that private sector emblem so hated by the socialists / trots/ greens, the private motor car, just to be sure.

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  22. Guest Who says:

    And where the BBC can chop out various bits of footage, for balance, it is incredible who they can find to say what….

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    • Up2snuff says:

      GW, yes, I admired Jeremy Corbyn’s principles. Please note the extra ‘d’ in admired.

      I admired them until I met him. My admiration then went down a notch or two.

      Around the EU Referendum and the second Leadership contest, when his principles went out the window, so did my admiration for him.

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      • Guest Who says:

        He has others.

        Apparently.

        Sources say.

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        • Up2snuff says:

          Oh.

          Dunno about them.

          Would that be the principle: ‘when the situation looks threatening, I change my principles to fit the situation’ ?

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  23. Guest Who says:

    https://isthebbcbiased.blogspot.co.uk/2017/06/please-stop-talking.html

    Seems Mishal Husain is having a bit of a ‘mare, professionally.

    Which is nice.

       6 likes

    • Guest Who says:

      I just have to take issue with the notion put forward that she has had a glittering record up to now.

      As the Mishal ‘not enough dead Israelis’ Husain handle will testify.

         7 likes

      • Up2snuff says:

        Aaah, but she is a looker.

        (Yes, me specs is on. Ears holding up well.) 🙂

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        • Moodswing6 says:

          Up2, you do seem a bit frisky over Mishal. lol……….I wonder what you’re Up2?

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  24. Dave S says:

    It looks as if we have a choice between a possible rapid descent into third world hellhole status or a slower one. Either way not at all attractive a prospect.
    Neither leadership is dealing in reality. We are facing an Islamist insurgency that will only get worse . Low cost for them and very high cost for us. The usual problem for a developed society facing asymetric warfare.
    We can counter this but there is no sign at all that our leaders are able to firstly accept that we are at war and then to do what will then be necessary.
    Most of us think that things will get better , that it will all blow over in time and maybe a few will suffer but most will just carry on. it will not.
    The Islamic insurgency is fighting to survive and hold on to it’s core beliefs in a modern world which wherever it looks is closing in on it . It cannot win but this is going to be a protracted last stand.
    What we really need are leaders who understand this and are prepared to confront the unreality of Islamic fundamentalism
    It looks as if President Trump has made a start with isolating Qatar- and I don’t want the usual it is just about oil and gas rubbish- because there is sometimes much more at stake than money.
    We will have to see but Corbyn is particular is as out of date as they are and about as useless.

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    • JimS says:

      “The Islamic insurgency is fighting to survive and hold on to it’s core beliefs in a modern world which wherever it looks is closing in on it . It cannot win but this is going to be a protracted last stand.
      What we really need are leaders who understand this and are prepared to confront the unreality of Islamic fundamentalism”

      If by that you mean that there will parts of the planet physically held by ISIS and its clones you might be right, but Islamic fundamentalism is core to Islam and has survived 1400 years and is good for at least as many in the future. Just because we have seen Christian fundamentalism defeated doesn’t mean Islam will go the same way, indeed it is admired by the ‘defeated’! Don’t like that bit of Christian doctrine? No problem! Jesus was an easy-going guy, I’m sure if he knew you wanted to have sex with your children he would have approved! If only we had faith, (belief without evidence), like our Brown Brothers!

      When I was at school and debating politics there were things that I thought were self-evident like free speech and science. These were surely good for everyone, rich or poor, black or white. The evidence was all around, science and reason, which need free speech, ‘delivered the goods’.

      Now I despair. My nephews who never knew ice on the inside of a window, a fridge without ice cream, a room without a TV or a house without a computer are rabid post-modernists. There is no ‘reason’, no science, their hatreds are intense but are apparently ‘love’. The thrive on ‘sectionality’. The ‘system’ must be ‘smashed’, (more ‘love’!), the plebs don’t know what is good for them, intellectuals like them, who haven’t got a job, will ‘lead’.

      And this is why they love Islam. It is without reason. The plebs do what they are told. And the universities and Common Purpose semminars are churning out these robotic clones as we speak.

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  25. StewGreen says:

    Tomorrow it is possible that voters will have been sucked in by Labour & BBC’s cheeky joint campaigning, magic money tree, bag of promises etc.
    …Or there could be Operation Backlash as votes express the opinion in the ballot cubicle that they fear to express in public.
    That they’ve seen thru the LibMob tricks and they’re not going to put up with in.

    Then we have to find a way a way to put pressure on Treazer theAppeazer to sort out Brexit and immigration problems.

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    • Al Shubtill says:

      SG – I have found that since the last three Islamic terrorist attacks, the GE and Brexit have lost much of their importance to me. I am not at all sure anymore that who wins the GE or whether we leave the EU really matters to the path on which our country has been set.

      The Conservatives win: no solution to the problem of Islam in the UK .
      Labour win: no solution to the problem of Islam in the UK.
      Britain leaves the EU: no solution to the problem of Islam in the UK.
      Britain remains in the EU: no solution to the problem of Islam in the UK.

      The destination for which we are heading doesn’t alter, regardless of any of the above or combination thereof which comprise the outcome of the election or the “deal” which is going to be negotiated with the EU. We may arrive faster with one than the other but we’re still going to the same place and it isn’t good; in fact it’s what we’ve experienced over this past fortnight.

      Mrs S spoke to someone today, who knows somebody that went into the Manchester arena in the aftermath, what they described seeing brought us both to tears.
      The elite who run our country will tolerate abominations like that perpetrated against their own people, rather than risk being accused of racism or Islamophobia, they hope the next government will deal with it and the next one thinks the same.
      I don’t think they give two s**ts about us as long as we pay our taxes and shut the f**k up.

         37 likes

      • Kaiser says:

        unlike alan the photogenic muzzie baby who afflicted all our eyes, our children had to be sent home to their funerals in tupperware containers

        it took days just to piece some of them back together enough to find out who they were

        what the score so far 5 – 37 who is really winning??

        AL Dave and Nogg are correct, but what choices do we really have

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      • Cranmer says:

        Al Shubtill, I agree, but I think we need to look at it thus: the nation (and by extension, western Christian civilization) is like a large ship. If I may draw on my albeit limited boating experience, no large vessel can immediately stop or change course and for a long time it may look as if it is going in the wrong direction, but subtle, seemingly pointless actions by the crew are required to reach the desired destination. A nudge of the tiller here, a slight pull on a rope there, look meaningless but coupled with the wind and tide are vital actions.

        We have to ensure that as a nation we make these small gestures. I don’t like the Conservatives but they seem to be the only slim chance we have of a move away, however slight, from EU imperialism, cultural marxism and open borders immigration. UKIP can’t win and if Labour win, yes they MIGHT cause a faster national collapse but at what price?

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    • nogginator says:

      Wake Up! People … For F-cks Sake
      the whole manipulation of this GE, callously disregarding dead children, grieving families and her catastrophic security failures .. Is that so Liar can ignore erm “pressure”.
      She has failed, a disaster as Home Secretary, a weak, lying, turncoat of a PM.
      manipulating, underhand, avoiding scrutiny, a proven spiteful power obsessive

      … Not to be trusted, NOT TO BE TRUSTED
      … and its been noted many times during this campaign by the population.

         14 likes

      • Kaiser says:

        whats the choice though nogg

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      • Up2snuff says:

        noggin, I have. Sort of. See my post about the non-appearance of my intended weekly report. Found the thing quite depressing in a way, although it’s hard to analyse because of the two terrorist attacks.

        I think it may be dawning on people that Theresa May, as much as she has wanted this job since her early teens, she is obviously plainly unsuited. I don’t think she was a disaster as Home Sec. I think she came out of that on top as a winner or at least ahead on points.

        Remember, the Home Office is dysfunctional. John Reid said that and the job broke him. It broke Blunkett. Johnson survived. Not sure how. Didn’t really try to do anything, therefore no conflict?

        The job of PM is like that of a Test cricket captain. You have to have a good grasp of every aspect of everyone’s game. You have to be on good form yourself and show a lead with your own performance and scoring. Then you must hold the team together and help others maximise their potential. All the while, you have to keep an overall picture of everything, including the opposition and direct your team’s strategy. May is still playing solo, playing as Home Secretary. That is no good.

        TM has demonstrated she knows little or nothing about tax & the UK’s fiscal structure and not much about economics & our economy. If she did, she would never have approved that manifesto for a start. Fallon deliberately undermined her on tax at the weekend. Boris has been AWOL. Hammond non-existent. Gove appeared at the start but has dropped out of sight. Others have, too. At this time of night, Rudd has been the only constant that I can think of. Perhaps Iain Duncan Smith, too? Oh, Ken Clarke has been around a lot. Supportive, too, albeit with a constant Brexit caveat attached.

        The problem I think is her backroom team. I had a thought this afternoon to go search out what Steve Hilton may have been posting about the GE. Don’t recall any input from him on radio. He was the surprise discovery star, for me, from the EU Referendum. Think if he had been around Downing Street, things may have been much better run.

        I think there is a revolution brewing. She will need to at least double her majority to survive.

        Look on the bright side. May be the last we see of Lynton Crosby!

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        • nogginator says:

          Tories not a failure, she not a failure as Home Secretary? apart from diminishing our border force? increasing immigration year on year to highest levels?, passport controls?, boats of our perimeter fleet? …. how about GCHQ?, MI5?, intel security? weakened state of fireman, police officers, firearms officers, cuts to our armed services
          …. not a failure?, you maybe right a national danger and a catastrophe is more factual
          the result of which:-
          8 viable mass murder attempts in 70 days, and 3 successful because of it, if the last was anywhere else apart from London just doesn t bear thinking about, and shes selling arms to the biggest funder of Islamic terror, and allowing the same to infest our nation with a support network.
          and it continues … another yesterday covered up.

          No concern for you at all, a total disregard of any responsibility .. hiding, avoiding scrutiny
          No care for any of our population, none of us.

          Incapable, dangerously inept, utterly self serving, with a callous disregard for the dead children, the maimed and grieving families, down to her failures.

          I could start listing more … but enough of sitting on the fence eh!

             5 likes

          • ToobiWan says:

            Money is finite! We can’t spend on all the things you mention, Noggie, whilst all the while, feeding, clothing and housing everyone who washes up on these shores and still give £12Billion away every year in foreign aid Something has to give somewhere.

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    • Kaiser says:

      and the so called “BBC” problem

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      • Oaknash says:

        Nogg/Snuff/Kaiser

        The trouble with May (as I see it) Is that she doesnt really seem to believe in anything except short term political survival. At least with Comrade Jeremy (disastrous as his policies would be ) , we sort of know where he is coming from. But with May we know sweet FA about her core beliefs apart from she likes sitting on the fence.

        She is expert at kicking festering issues into the long grass and unfortunately her mix and match/ remain cabinet show little real stomach for concentrating on the issues that matter such as brexit, migration and jihadi terrorism and instead would far prefer to hope this all blows over after Ramahdan. And she can get back to the issues that really matter such as dealing with hate crime and ensuring we continue to pay large amounts of foreign aid for despots to spend on executive jets whilst running down our own armed forces.

        Someone made a really pertinent point yesterday. The police and most of the establishment have now surrendered to PC. And so just when we need a strong and steadfast armed forces, the mindless PC spotlight will now be turned more fully onto our forces. And once they have been castrated, I am sure the Religion of Peace along with its dhimmi supporters will truly start to assert themselves.

        I did consider voting Corbyn – just to bring things to a head more quickly while we still have a few decent people left in the armed forces – But I am afraid I will probably end up voting for the woman who believes in nothing and does nothing – only because voting for Comrade Jeremy is still a step to far for my digestive system and Labours migration policy is truly suicidal. Hopefully someone like Rees Mogg may step up to the plate – If not then then I feel a Private Fraser moment coming on!

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        • Al Shubtill says:

          Solid posts Up2snuff & Oaknash.

          May reminds me of Gordon Brown: someone who believes that because they have done ONE of the top jobs in government, that they are fit to do THE top job in government.
          I think we can all remember how swimmingly that went.

             14 likes

          • Dysgwr_Cymraeg says:

            Gordon McMental wasnt able to do even one job, oh….errrr…sorry, prudence eliminated boom and bust….well he eliminated the boom anyway.

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        • Up2snuff says:

          Oak, good post and I agree.

          May is a Manager. Only as far, however, as her immediate room. That’s not good enough for a PM. Maybe today will be a wake up call and she will get her act together. In my experience, having switched careers a few times, it takes about six months to settle in a new job. Some people may well need a lot more time than that, although I’m equally sure some do it in less.

          Your penultimate para demonstrates where a really good PM, even in the middle of a General Election Campaign, could have demonstrated leadership. Not just personally but in bringing in her Home Office successors ‘on point’ and empowering them to sort the problem. Then getting the rest of the ‘inner’ Cabinet to swing in with their support. Where was Phil? Where was Boris?

          Corbyn and the Labour manifesto at least have had a good stab at some gritty policies even if their funding is vague (and probably way overspent) and they want more Big State and more Neo-Imperialism and more InterNationalism which all make me nervous.

          This last week has made me think back to last year. I realised I had since suppressed the feelings of unease I had at the time that Theresa May became leader by negative default. Andrea Leadsom was ‘forced’ to pull out, as you probably remember. I may well be gone from this life by the time that particular memoir comes out! I wonder what really happened?

          I didn’t have a dog in that particular fight. I had been in favour of David Davis until Brissles, on here, put me off. (Think it’s Brissles who is one of his constituents or is it Deborah?) I did not want Boris as PM and will be interested – if May wins well today – whether he will survive a Cabinet re-shuffle. For me, his career is over. I would have accepted Gove or Leadsom (favouring the former) as PM although I felt the latter might have had trouble – without time in a glittering Ministerial post – in exercising Cabinet authority when needed.

          So like everyone else – even those on here who may be Conservative Party members – I was lumbered with Theresa May. She started well, although had I been in her advisory team I would have advised against the ‘fairness’ thing although I’m strongly in favour of it and – even more so – actually doing it, getting it done, especially in regard to taxation and the economy. Grammar Schools was good albeit botched with a rapid roll back to a position of “no Secondary or Technical Schools” when it is the latter, especially, that the country is crying out for.

          The little dig at Brussels over plastic micro beads was brilliant. That was probably the high point of TM’s time as PM! Plastic in cosmetics, or more correctly out of them, as her major achievement.

          Says it all, really.

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          • nogginator says:

            May is a failure, a dangerous self obsessed callous failure … that takes no responsibility for that failure
            and she and her cronies have not the slightest concern about you, your family, loved ones, or their future.
            After our old, and most vulnerable … “brexit” will be the next scapegoat for her failure.

            Do not give this liar, any trust or a vote

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            • Up2snuff says:

              noggin, if we want Brexit then May and the Conservatives are the only game in town. I cannot trust Corbyn to deliver Brexit at all, let alone a good Brexit for me. The LibDems, although Farron has diluted their noise on Brexit, do not truly want Brexit at all and will sabotage it. Farron may be leader but Clegg is still a power in the Party. UKIP may play a part by their supporters voting tactically but in many constituencies they have no hope of winning, especially with Nuttall as Party Leader. So, I’m off to vote Brexit.

              Again.

              For the second time in a year!

                 7 likes

  26. StewGreen says:

    Maybe youth will take notice of the sense Spike Mags’s Brendan O’Neill is talking

       16 likes

  27. Pounce says:

    My first posting in the army was to Chatham, whilst there I joined the boxing team and on our early morning run we would run down to Upnor and back. There’s a castle at Upnor and as I was in Chatham for 3 years I learnt a lot. Especially about how the Dutch sailed down the Medway and took off with a load of ships which laid empty as England couldn’t afford to man them. Yes folks the worse defeat in British naval history was somewhat one sided as only the Dutch ships were manned. In fact if you pop down to Strood this weekend you can pop up the road to Upnor and watch the reenactment . Anyway the bBC have written an article about the battle of medway and they come out with these snippets:
    The cause of this English amnesia is perhaps due to the fact that they lost. As with most nations, the English do not like talking about their defeats, even 350 years on.

    Anybody at the bBC want to explain this weekend or even the exhibition running this year at Upnor?

    Then they come out with this classic bBC statement of how we should think:
    “Personally, I’d say it’s important to know about it in this country as an antidote to triumphalism – the idea that English, and then British, history has been a largely unbroken succession of victories.

    Really?
    This from the bBC which loves to shove British defeats such as Dunkirk, The Somme, the Americas, Iraq,Afghanistan, that invasion of Argentina , and the rest in our faces all the bloody time. The whole mantra of the left revels in British defeats , in which to show we are human like everybody else. Why ive even been told by the bBC that we would have lost to the Spanish Armada if it hadn’t been for Islam. The irony here a year later the British armada which set sail for Spain was well sunk. But then what’s actual history to a bBC reporter when they can make up crap like this.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-40175458

    The bBC where having pride in your country is a sin, unless you come from any other country in the world other than Israel or the US

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  28. Pounce says:

    I see the bBC have started openly backing the Taliban again.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-40171379
    And not a bad word said about their time living with them. Contrast that with any bBC story about life in America, Israel or god forbid …the U.K.

    The bBC apologists and defenders of Islamic terrorism.

       25 likes

    • Oaknash says:

      Dont worry Pounce – Everything will be ok as soon as soon as the election is out the way.

      The Boys in blue (who cant afford to track Jihadis) are fortunately stopping thinga getting worse by spending 35m a year on “hate crime” tracking

      The Great Snowflake Get Together is also coming up soon (aka Operation Keep Brendan Cox in the Public Eye)
      There will be jellies, ice cream and soft soap for all. It had only dropped off the agenda a bit because of all those awkward jihads who didnt want to be together.

      We are saved!

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  29. Doublethinker says:

    I had a nightmare, Labour formed a coalition with the Lib Dems and SNP. As a result we got the voting age reduced to 16, proportional representation, a second referendum on Scottish Independence to be held immediately after a second Brexit referendum , which was to be held before the exit negotiations started , we borrowed a trillion pounds so as to force us to join the Euro in five years time , and finally we got another 2 million RoPer migrants who were attracted by the guarantee of generous handouts and the imposition on the rest of us of Sharia Law, Prince Charles protected the long term interests of the Royal Family by converting to Islam and Harry cut off his right hand as just punishment for taking part in war against Islam, finally all women in the various parliamentary and council chambers around the country adopt the burka, a male conservative said it was the only good thing to come out of the election as he could no longer see Abbotts face.
    If Labour does win the election , or forms a coalition , much of the above will certainly come true, vote Tory if you want some form of Brexit and if you want even the weakest restraint on Islam.

       31 likes

    • Ian Rushlow says:

      “What Marx said Yesterday, the Labour Party believes Today and the Conservatives will implement Tomorrow.” – Traditional English proverb.

         11 likes

    • chrisH says:

      Reckon there`ll be insurrection were this to happen. We now have skin in the game, and only a putz would fund the BBC after this one.
      They`ll have to send a few nebs into our local Wetherspoons, from which we`ll send up the balloon.
      I`m not moving to Venezuela-nor is it going to be allowed in at the borders.
      Up to now the Left have wiped us out in the streets, used the media. We will take back the media and will take time off to clear the streets again once more.
      You need only read of Stalin in the Ukraine to know what`s coming if we let the pastel soviet that this resembles ever get a whiff of a chance.

         5 likes

  30. AsISeeIt says:

    Getting the excuses in early

    Under general election broadcast reporting restrictions today BBC Breakfast carries a supposedly party-neutral report on the difficulty the blind may have in voting secretly. An issue that authorities do their best to tackle with Braille ballots and trained staff at every polling station and which must affect a tiny proportion of the population. Using the familiar and infinitely malleable phrase “some people say” the BBC extrapolate from this little issue to bleat about the need for on-line voting. The potential threats of cyber hacking and tampering are brushed aside in the BBC report.

    Nevermind all that fuss over Russian hacking supposedly winning the US election for Trump. Nevermind BBC Breakfast next carries a report on the recent computer travails of British Airways. Of course on line voting is the pet project of so-called progressive parties of the Left whose voters are proportionately younger and more impressionable – but often too lazy or disorganised to make the effort.

       24 likes

    • Lobster says:

      If a blind person is unable to put a “X” on a ballot paper, how is using a computer going to be easier?
      Also, isn’t there such a thing as proxy voting? It makes you wonder how blind people managed before computers became commonplace.

         7 likes

    • chrisH says:

      So last weekend there AISI. I too saw this piece, and realised that the BBC segment their loon pansy stories” on a daily basis, even hourly.
      Only we negatives and joyless naysayers would possibly see any connections…if the blind don`t, why should we be entitled to see them anyway?
      No-trust the BBC, trust Coconut Airways, trust Sadiq Kaa and trust in that hero you`re maybe still searching for inside yourself…do yourself Proud!
      I just put all my votes since 1997 that I`ve not used so far into a nice carpet rug bag that nice Anjem kindly offered to take to Bethnal Green for me…you gotta have faith.

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  31. AsISeeIt says:

    Museum of Failure

    Our Naga and her pet house eunuch are in party political neutral mode today and so the pace of the painfully dumbed down BBC Breakfast show is flagging more than usual. We do however get a jokey item about a Swedish innovation : The Museum of Failure

    An exhibition of bad product ideas such as the plastic bicycle. How could the BBC boys and girls miss the opportunity to feature the Donald Trump board game – apparently a sub-standard version of Monopoly. Of the 80 or so items they picked this one to mention and then caught it on camera again during and interview with the musuem’s founder. How could they not?

    We learn from the curator of this exhibition that corporations – concerned for their reputation – were understandably somewhat uncooperative in not wanting to supply examples of their product gaffes. Who wants to make a show out of their expensive mistakes?

    BBC – as you seem so keen on this project – while you are over there, why not present, as a small donation to the Museum of Failure, a Betamax recording of the soap opera Eldorado?

       22 likes

    • Number 6 says:

      I didnt see the swedish government or their immigration policy featured though……

         17 likes

      • AsISeeIt says:

        Well spotted, EU immigration policy ought to be the Museum of Failure’s star attraction

           14 likes

    • neil9327 says:

      Indeed.
      I went to the BBC News home page this morning, saw the photo of Trump in the corner of my eye, and thought “what is today’s Trump put-down I wonder?”

      “Welcome to the Museum of Failure”

      FFS!

         7 likes

      • Rob in Cheshire says:

        A billionaire, the President of the United States, I can only dream of failing as badly as Donald Trump.

           4 likes

    • JimS says:

      How about the BBC’s £100M Digital Media Initiative?

      Or the Have I Got News For You gleeful Russian screwing open his gas valve to shut of the gas supply to the West?

         3 likes

    • chrisH says:

      This Museum of Failure of which you speak AISI!
      Wasn`t that Heseltines, Blair and Mandelson s Millennium Dome then?
      Or were the BBC up to their brass necks in pushing THAT tented crap?
      Anybody seen Camilla Batmanghedghli?
      Or is the replacement plug for the Corinth Canal, now that Demis Roussos has left us?
      So many questions-too much time!
      The Left will call it the ” Glorybox of Deferred Success” anyhoo.

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  32. Thoughtful says:

    Well it’s voting day & its raining hard, and forecast to keep it up most of the day, the worst possible weather for Labour voters who often can’t be bothered to turn out if they get wet. Living in a marginal seat which even Labour describe as ‘very vulnerable’ this can only be a good thing!

       25 likes

    • chrisH says:

      Did Corbyn offer free bus passes and Virgin train tickets to the polling station in the event of weather that might mess up the Lady Prescotts barnet?
      Add that one for 2020…maybe with free henna dye for beards like Corbyn, so Islam will support “one of their own”. And free tampax for Jon Snow of course.

         3 likes

  33. LassloLasslo says:

    Well here we are at polling day after 6 long and content free weeks of political posturing. I am disappointed at the quality of the candidates and policies on offer. The extended party teams have by and large been kept off or screens, and far from being inspired by anyone, I actually fear the damage that some of these people could inflict upon us. May and Rudd stand out as two ineffectual politically-correct career politicians intent on changing/doing as little as possible, Corbyn and McDonnell pledging freebies to those who like free stuff, backed up with a well hidden but sinister plan to increase their voter base with mass immigration. The stand-out shocker for me though is Abbott. Seldom have I seen a person so unfit for function, and the thought of her holding keys to one of the great offices of state of the British Empire is indeed frightening.
    It’s not all doom and gloom however, I can take a longer term view of things, as my age now allows. I see some essential steps being taken with this next term of government and these include removing the shackles of the Union; economic growth, better control over borders and laws and then finally being in a position (note not actually doing it yet) to redress the damage caused by decades of liberal attitudes to uncontrolled immigration and our cultural dismantling. Chief among my concerns here is the spread of Islam and its facilitation by the left and the media. We have been slow to awaken (not on this site of course) but a last eyes are opening and discussions starting and this will eventually be followed by action. Don’t forget this is Britain not Germany, France or Italy, and as Winston Churchill’s father said, “Always trust in the judgement of the British people to do the right thing”. And we will, eventually. So get out there and cast those votes.
    On a more personal note, I see that Lady Lasslo is posting on here under a different name. Goodmorning dear.

       19 likes

    • Sluff says:

      Lassio
      I watched the video of the Abbott car crash sky news interview.
      And it occurred to me that she might have something like early stage dementia. Which is of course a very long term condition, in fact terminal and incurable.
      If that were the case, we would have to show pity, however disagreeable that might be for us after listening to her hypocrisy on education, racist anti white positive discrimination socialist agenda for all these years.

         8 likes

      • Tabs says:

        If that is the case then yes we should give her a bit of slack….but…. Corbyn showed crap leadership skills by using her for live interviews.

           6 likes

        • Beltane says:

          Be fair Tabs, Jeremy is bound to be a bit biased towards Di, he’s not the most attractive of men so she’s probably the best he’s ever had. Depends where his standards lie, I suppose.

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    • Oldspeaker says:

      Sums it up for me too Lasslo, once again I find myself voting for the least worst option, and never has there been so little in it. Should the Tories be facing a competent opposition with their current wishy washy line up and vauge policies I think it would be a hiding to nothing.

         6 likes

  34. Thoughtful says:

    I’m surprised this hasn’t been flagged as it deserves a page of its own !

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4575332/No-one-BBC-cares-bias-says-Evan-Davis.html

    No one at the BBC cares when we’re accused of bias, says Evan Davis: Newsnight presenter reveals corporation receives constant complaints without taking any action

    He claimed ‘no one at the BBC’ takes the accusatory emails into account

    Corporation was accused of Left-wing bias in its Election Debate programme 

    Mr Davis, 55, made remarks at the Hay Festival in Wales 

    Evan Davis said the BBC is constantly getting emails from licence fee payers accusing them of pandering to certain political parties.

    Speaking at the festival in Wales, Mr Davis said: ‘All the time we get those emails. And honestly, no one at the BBC takes those kinds of things into account.

    ‘Maybe people at the very top of the BBC do, I don’t know. Maybe they do. But none of the people who are making programmes do.’

    In other words it is just what we believed the BBC was doing.

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  35. Sluff says:

    Here’s a little snippet not mentioned by the bBBC.
    Dianne Abbott’s replacement Lyn Brown hit the headlines in 2011 when she shouted ‘move out of my effing way’ after bumping into TalkSport political editor Sean Dilley. Who happens to be blind and had a guide dog with him at the time.
    This in the Telegraph today.
    Corbyn’s Socialist Party. It’s full of the nicest people

       27 likes

    • Rob in Cheshire says:

      If Boris Johnson had done that, it would have been a staple on the News Quiz and HIGNFY for weeks. Probably ended his career. But as we know, in the BBC, there are no enemies on the left.

         5 likes

  36. Steve Jones says:

    With saturation election coverage from the BBC, by which I mean campaigning on behalf of the Labour Party, it is easy to forget the BBC’s other campaign issues. One of their favourites is climate change and all the bullshit that has spawned. Here is an article about renewables:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40198567
    This gives us the wonderful news that on one day, with perfect conditions, Wilf Lunn’s (Google it if too young to know) mechanical menagerie generated more electricity than those nasty fossil fuels President Trump likes so much. With no sense of irony whatsoever the article contains this:
    ‘There was so much power from renewables that operators had to pay for someone to use their electricity.’
    If an objective reporter was writing this in plain English it would say,’Power companies have passed the cost of over-production on to their customers because renewable supply companies get paid regardless.’
    There, fixed it for them.

       18 likes

    • Restroom Mole says:

      Roger Harriban was orgasmic about this on Toady this morning. He had to admit that the fabulous 50% in fact included nuclear and biomass, aka burning trees that were chopped down in North America then pelleted and shipped across the Atlantic. He failed to properly clarify that the weather conditions that produced this bonanza happen only a few times a year.
      Unfortunately there wasn’t time for him to explain that the intermittency of wind power means that standby resources need to be kept ready to use on the still days, and that many of these standby generators are diesel powered. He needs to read some histories of sailors becalmed on windless days. You can’t run a modern economy on unstable power supplies.
      Still I expect he will explain these downsides on his next report. Not

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  37. G.W.F. says:

    Already the Antifacists, the Trades Unions, various faith groups, Labour supporters, anarchists, and the Government funded UAF are preparing a counter demonstration which will involve violence. It is possible that the sharia police of Andy Burnham
    will cancel the demonstration.

       21 likes

    • Lucy Pevensey says:

      I have to say The Sikh Awareness Society is a blessing to us.
      Here is a good example of a minority people group in Britain who have managed to keep their own character without trying to change Britain beyond recognition. I admire their collective self-respect for their own culture & their fighting spirit. They could give lessons to our regressive left. If only the left where teachable . As we know libtards tend to be a dysfunctional mob.

         27 likes

    • Cranmer says:

      GWF, my guess is this will be cancelled on police orders, with some guff about ‘not being able to guarantee public safety’ bla bla bla. Either that or UAF’s biff-boys will ensure it is turned into a punch up while deflecting the blame onto someone else.

         7 likes

    • theisland says:

      “It is possible that the sharia police of Andy Burnham will cancel the demonstration.”

      Well, there’s a surprise (not)!
      I expect they are looking for any excuse to arrest Tommy et al. before Sunday anyway.

      If it goes ahead we know who the peaceful ones will be – the ones without their faces covered.

         6 likes

  38. Wild Bill says:

    Corbyn’s replacement for the demented Diane Abbott is Lyn Brown, she was previously Shadow Home Secretary but resigned because she thought Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership was “untenable“.

    She also voted against article 50. I think Abbott was ill that time too.

    He must be well desperate to choose her, probably has no one else to choose from.

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  39. thirdoption says:

    The Labour party has been both sexist and racist for too long. Jeremy Corbyn has been a wonderful leader but, as a pale, stale, male is yet another example of institutional bias that we have come to expect.

    If Labour get soundly today (due to the relentless anti-Corbyn coverage by the BBC and other right-wing press outlets like C4, The Guardian, The Observer, The Financial Times etc.) I think they will have to face up to the realities of the 21st century and vote for a progressive candidate that can reflect the multi-cultural times we live in.

    Go Diane Abbott – #dianeforleader

       12 likes

    • chrisH says:

      Funny how Marine Le Pan-and now Theresa May get absolutely no credit, no leeway-for being decent women in a “mans world, trying to stand up for what they believe in”.
      In all other cases, they`d be fearless sisters,role models or inspiration for younger women hoping to lead public policy.
      But no-wrong cause, definitely wrong destination as far as the Left are concerned.
      So they get the Sarah Palin nasties, as opposed to the Hillary Clinton bouquets of fragrant blessings from Womans Hour and Polly Toynbee.
      Makes me sick-that Hillary, Harriet, Yvette, Hodge, Cherie, Nugee and Tessa ALL had big strong men to sandbag their shanghai of the feminist loveboat…but REAL independent women Like Sarah, Marine and now Theresa get nothing but lefty abuse and condescention. One day we`ll have to write why Harriet personnifies the lefts evils-whereas Margaret was the REAL feminist, but the sistaz tried to get her killed at Brighton etc.

         14 likes

  40. G.W.F. says:

    Just in case Labour win the election here is a glance at Corbyn’s supporters in this pro Labour video by the BBC’s sweetheart Lily Allen

       10 likes

    • Guest Who says:

      I got tears.

      Did she have a bbc crew in tow?

         2 likes

    • Tabs says:

      A great video showing what the Lefties mean when they say “Love not Hate”.

         7 likes

      • Kaiser says:

        I like the “for your pension” line

        is good old Gordon going to give me back all that money he stole from me

           5 likes

    • Cranmer says:

      GWF, I think a lot of the anger from the hard left is because they know deep down they are powerless and their views insane. They are like toddlers screaming because they can’t get their own way. Conservatives (either small or big C) do not feel the need to rant and rave in this way. The left is, as Shakespeare put it, ‘full of sound and fury, signifying nothing’.

         9 likes

    • lojolondon says:

      Ooooo – I wonder if the person who owns the rights to “Close to you” by the Carpenters has ever heard of Lilly Allen?? I thnk I will suggest they have a quick listen, there could be something in it for them!!

         3 likes

      • Cranmer says:

        The lyrics for that little ditty, such as they are, caught my eye:

        So you say
        It’s not okay to be gay
        Well I think you’re just evil
        You’re just some racist who
        Can’t tie my laces
        Your point of view is medieval

        Hmm. Who exactly in modern Britain is saying it’s not okay to be gay, and has a medieval point of view?
        Earth calling Lilly! It’s not the ‘Tories’….

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  41. Guest Who says:

    A bit OT, but given the BBC breathlessly passes on every claim by #Tellittothehand….

    That rather reads as at the very least a hate crime gets logged, up to prosecutions made, by someone, somewhere, claiming something has disturbed them.

    This seems less than satisfactory.

    Or a good use of apparently stretched police resources.

       13 likes

    • Oldspeaker says:

      Reading between the lines, not enough hate crime to report in Cheshire so coppers start drumming some up.
      My big fat sausage fingers have also reported your comment, apologies. Why is ‘report’ so close to ‘reply’ anyway?

         9 likes

  42. Lucy Pevensey says:

    Being targeted because of who you are?
    Yes. Us infidels are being targeted.
    Are you being targeted because you are a 12yr old “white slut”? There’s a good leaflet question.

       13 likes

  43. Tabs says:

    Carrying on from the London Bridge attack – I know a lot of people think nothing is being done to fight back. This time we didn’t even have Phillip Schofield walking across the bridge in defiance.

    But fear not the tide is turning and people are pushing back…… with James Corden filming from London this week – yep that should do it!

       7 likes

  44. AsISeeIt says:

    I hear there’s rainbow coalition tactical voting in my area – the Monster Raving Loonies aren’t putting up a candidate as they are happy that Corbyn’s Labour represent most of their policies

       13 likes

  45. dafydd says:

    100 REASONS WHY CORBYN THE MONSTER SHOULD NOT BE ELECTED….FROM GUIDO FAWKES

    Invited two IRA members to parliament two weeks after the Brighton bombing.
    Attended Bloody Sunday commemoration with bomber Brendan McKenna.
    Attended meeting with Provisional IRA member Raymond McCartney.
    Hosted IRA linked Mitchell McLaughlin in parliament.
    Spoke alongside IRA terrorist Martina Anderson.
    Attended Sinn Fein dinner with IRA bomber Gerry Kelly.
    Chaired Irish republican event with IRA bomber Brendan MacFarlane.
    Attended Bobby Sands commemoration honouring IRA terrorists.
    Stood in minute’s silence for IRA gunmen shot dead by the SAS.
    Refused to condemn the IRA in Sky News interview.
    Refused to condemn the IRA on Question Time.
    Refused to condemn IRA violence in BBC radio interview.
    Signed EDM after IRA Poppy massacre massacre blaming Britain for the deaths.
    Arrested while protesting in support of Brighton bomber’s co-defendants.
    Lobbied government to improve visiting conditions for IRA killers.
    Attended Irish republican event calling for armed conflict against Britain.
    Hired suspected IRA man Ronan Bennett as a parliamentary assistant.
    Hired another aide closely linked to several convicted IRA terrorists.
    Heavily involved with IRA sympathising newspaper London Labour Briefing.
    Put up £20,000 bail money for IRA terror suspect Roisin McAliskey.
    Didn’t support IRA ceasefire.
    Said Hamas and Hezbollah are his “friends“.
    Called for Hamas to be removed from terror banned list.
    Called Hamas “serious and hard-working“.
    Attended wreath-laying at grave of Munich massacre terrorist.
    Attended conference with Hamas and PFLP.
    Photographed smiling with Hezbollah flag.
    Attended rally with Hezbollah and Al-Muhajiroun.
    Repeatedly shared platforms with PFLP plane hijacker.
    Hired aide who praised Hamas’ “spirit of resistance“.
    Accepted £20,000 for state TV channel of terror-sponsoring Iranian regime.
    Opposed banning Britons from travelling to Syria to fight for ISIS.
    Defended rights of fighters returning from Syria.
    Said ISIS supporters should not be prosecuted.
    Compared fighters returning from Syria to Nelson Mandela.
    Said the death of Osama Bin Laden was a “tragedy“.
    Wouldn’t sanction drone strike to kill ISIS leader.
    Voted to allow ISIS fighters to return from Syria.
    Opposed shoot to kill.
    Attended event organised by terrorist sympathising IHRC.
    Signed letter defending Lockerbie bombing suspects.
    Wrote letter in support of conman accused of fundraising for ISIS.
    Spoke of “friendship” with Mo Kozbar, who called for destruction of Israel.
    Attended event with Abdullah Djaballah, who called for holy war against UK.
    Called drone strikes against terrorists “obscene”.
    Boasted about “opposing anti-terror legislation”.
    Said laws banning jihadis from returning to Britain are “strange”.
    Accepted £5,000 donation from terror supporter Ted Honderich.
    Accepted £2,800 trip to Gaza from banned Islamist organisation Interpal.
    Called Ibrahim Hewitt, extremist and chair of Interpal, a “very good friend”.
    Accepted two more trips from the pro-Hamas group PRC.
    Speaker at conference hosted by pro-Hamas group MEMO.
    Met Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh several times.
    Hosted meeting with Mousa Abu Maria of banned group Islamic Jihad.
    Patron of Palestine Solidarity Campaign – marches attended by Hezbollah.
    Compared Israel to ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda.
    Said we should not make “value judgements” about Britons who fight for ISIS.
    Received endorsement from Hamas.
    Attended event with Islamic extremist Suliman Gani.
    Chaired Stop the War, who praised “internationalism and solidarity” of ISIS.
    Praised Raed Salah, who was jailed for inciting violence in Israel.
    Signed letter defending jihadist advocacy group Cage.
    Met Dyab Jahjah, who praised the killing of British soldiers.
    Shared platform with representative of extremist cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.
    Compared ISIS to US military in interview on Russia Today.
    Opposed proscription of Hizb ut-Tahrir.
    Attended conference which called on Iraqis to kill British soldiers.
    Attended Al-Quds Day demonstration in support of destruction of Israel.
    Supported Hamas and ISIS-linked Viva Palestina group.
    Attended protest with Islamic extremist Moazzam Begg.
    Made the “case for Iran” at event hosted by Khomeinist group.
    Photographed smiling with Azzam Tamimi, who backed suicide bombings.
    Photographed with Abdel Atwan, who sympathised with attacks on US troops.
    Said Hamas should “have tea with the Queen”.
    Attended ‘Meet the Resistance’ event with Hezbollah MP Hussein El Haj.
    Attended event with Haifa Zangana, who praised Palestinian “mujahideen”.
    Defended the infamous anti-Semitic Hamas supporter Stephen Sizer.
    Attended event with pro-Hamas and Hezbollah group Naturei Karta.
    Backed Holocaust denying anti-Zionist extremist Paul Eisen.
    Photographed with Abdul Raoof Al Shayeb, later jailed for terror offences.
    Mocked “anti-terror hysteria” while opposing powers for security services.
    Named on speakers list for conference with Hamas sympathiser Ismail Patel.
    Criticised drone strike that killed Jihadi John.
    Said the 7/7 bombers had been denied “hope and opportunity”.
    Said 9/11 was “manipulated” to make it look like bin Laden was responsible.
    Failed to unequivocally condemn the 9/11 attacks.
    Called Columbian terror group M-19 “comrades”.
    Blamed beheading of Alan Henning on Britain.
    Gave speech in support of Gaddafi regime.
    Signed EDM spinning for Slobodan Milosevic.
    Blamed Tunisia terror attack on “austerity”.
    Voted against banning support for the IRA.
    Voted against the Prevention of Terrorism Act three times during the Troubles.
    Voted against emergency counter-terror laws after 9/11.
    Voted against stricter punishments for being a member of a terror group.
    Voted against criminalising the encouragement of terrorism.
    Voted against banning al-Qaeda.
    Voted against outlawing the glorification of terror.
    Voted against control orders.
    Voted against increased funding for the security services to combat terrorism.

    Quite something when you put it all down in one place…

       34 likes

    • G says:

      As always, there’s a plus(!! don’t think so) – Supported Bliar in his plan to replace British people by immigration from islamic countries (Nb. otherwise known as ‘ethnic cleansing’).

         14 likes

    • Pounce says:

      The problem we really have with that list is that years of Politically Correct revisionism means that the younger generation (and quite a few older ones) actually believe his beliefs are just.

         15 likes

      • Peter Grimes says:

        Roger Scruton neatly skewers that in today’s Speccie.

           8 likes

      • dafydd says:

        Very true….

        Was out last night with some old army mates having a curry and a group of kids next table to us early 20’s were excited about voting for the first and of cause for Corbyn and my mate said, are you not concerned with his terror connections etc, they said its bullshit and fake news…

        They are clueless and its frightening…..

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        • Cranmer says:

          Dafydd, to even remember the 1978 Winter of Discontent one would have to be in one’s mid forties at least now. That is now further away than the depression of the 1930s was to the late 1970s. It’s not surprising that the Snowflake Generation look at marxism through rose-tinted glasses, especially since many of their teachers and parents are likely to have spoken fondly of those times. It’s like a leftie version of ‘Brideshead Revisited’ for them.

             4 likes

    • Wild Bill says:

      If he get’s in power we really are fucked, I am thinking of packing in work and moving to the top of Scotland, as far away from this crap as I can get in this country.

         1 likes

  46. Guest Who says:

    He does like them easy

       4 likes

  47. foxcote7822 says:

    WATCH | Censorship from our national broadcaster. BBC edits out (at 17 seconds) part of eyewitness account of nursery worker stabbing where she says the attackers shouted “This is for Allah” https://www.facebook.com/leaveeuofficial/videos/1297206910377547/

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  48. chrisH says:

    Did wonder why we had endless Corbyn travelogues all over the media last night. From Colwyn Bay to Glasgow, Weston-super Mare to Lowestoft or wherever.
    These media packages all have “Jez we can” posters, something about NHS workers, weeping grannies and yoof tooth selfies, with that eternal hope from Laura, Ian or Kay etc in brethless tones.
    Like Sanders and then Hillary-hitch their one trick pony to “hope” to “youthful exuberance” and to “diversity in primary colours as opposed to the grey, beige civilians who kill buzzes, refuse to dare to dream…oh, and are usually working ,picking up kids instead of raging at Boris or Katie Hopkins, live on telly.
    But they can`t beg us to vote Labour today can they?
    So we got all the Labour media jollies out all day yesterday, pale desperation in their pieces.
    Hoping for a majority of over 60-dare to dream it might even be over a hundred!
    But this is getting close, and the BBC etc have GOT to be dealt with. Our kids are getting stabbed by London Bridge, our grandkids can`t even go to a pointless pop concert any more with ease.

    It being the BBC though-they took some time to push for “online voting” today.
    Muslim wives can hide the bruises behind their burqas, so no problem there.
    But deluded psychiatric cases need a Corbyn hologram guiding their hands for them, a 3D printer could yet create a machete so granny can be killed without you risking a chest cold on London Bridge presumably.

    The BBC have got to go. This is all too close now.

       17 likes

    • Wild Bill says:

      If Corbyn wins (God forbid) we need a mass refusal to pay the BBC licence by all Tory and UKIP voters.

         1 likes

  49. ObiWan says:

    I’m looking forward to the BBC election coverage tonight. Can’t wait for the glum faces and barely disguised disappointment around the usual ‘balanced’ panel of ‘experts’ when Mrs May romps home to a comfortable win. 🙂

       17 likes

    • Demon says:

      Don’t build your hopes up too much – I’m more convinced than ever that it will be close – even a hung parliament. However, I am a pessimist by nature.

      The stupid thing is that I don’t trust Mrs May but the alternative is so unspeakably awful and frightening that I hope I am wrong and she romps home with a 60 seat victory or more.

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