Midweek Open Thread 8 August 2018

Less people are using the BBC -both television and radio . Less people are using its print version – The Guardian . Instead people are choosing Netflix and Amazon .

Although we record left bias week after week perhaps it will be the consumer who ultimately forces the BBC to serve the British and not its favoured minorities .A few politicians moan but won’t do anything else so for the time being the BBC feels immune .

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625 Responses to Midweek Open Thread 8 August 2018

  1. StewGreen says:

    Sadiq Khan offcially warned for misusing crime stats to claim crime’s rising nationally
    – when it’s fallen by 35% since 2010.
    \\ Instead of spinning statistics, Khan needs to work on solutions to London’s crime problems. //
    https://www.statisticsauthority.gov.uk/correspondence/communication-of-crime-statistics-4/

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    • JamesArthur says:

      Stew
      Fantastic -supports what we say on this site
      Funny not important enough to warrant a headline on BBC, but if POTUS farts on the wrong day..he’s causing climate change

      and it’s a nice thing to know that we can use this statistics rule against the BBC 🙂

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    • pugnazious says:

      Great Stew…note this from the letter…..

      ‘The Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) is the most reliable indicator for long-term trends in crime overall. Unlike police-recorded crime, the CSEW is unaffected by changes to police recording practices.’

      The BBC has been dismissing the crime survey as unreliable and pushing the police statistics, showing crime rising, as the most reliable…because it suits their own narrative of cuts to the police increasing crime.

      Ironic that when Labour were in power the BBC said the crime survey was a ‘beautiful thing’ and much more reliable than police statistics.

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      • Up2snuff says:

        pug, do I recall correctly that Michael Howard as Home Secretary tightened up the CSfE&W for that very reason? Or have I got that wrong?

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    • Beeb Brother says:

      How pathetic is he?

      “Look – crime is up everywhere so don’t blame me! It’s not just London that is turning into a total sh*t hole.”

      That’s fine then.

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  2. StewGreen says:

    In 2011 on the Iranian channel: Corbyn claimed that BBC chief was biased in favour of Israel
    \\ In a 2011 documentary on Press TV entitled Bias at the BBC, the future Labour leader said Israel exerted undue influence over the corporation’s news coverage and suggested that its director-general at the time had a pro-Israeli agenda.
    “There is pressure on the BBC from probably Mark Thompson, who seems to me to have an agenda in this respect,” he said.//
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/847853e2-9a89-11e8-9b62-17ec317258a6

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    • Up2snuff says:

      Stew, Mark Thompson is, IIRC, a Christian. Christians and others who have been well taught generally tend to favour Israel & the Jewish people for obvious reasons.

      Unless, of course, there is ignorance or prejudice for some other reason or the modern liberal and Alt-Left pressure is succumbed to, to favour Palestinians instead.

      In addition, you only have to listen to half-a-dozen Goon Shows and you may be given a treat in one of them with Peter Sellers doing one of his merciless impressions based on the Grades & Delfonts who played a major role in both the general entertainment industry and in broadcasting. Jewish involvement in entertainment is well known.

      The BBC, of course, tend not to do entertainment any more. Nor do they do news, unless they can create and control it. All that leaves is ‘Inform’, which tends to be BBC value-led. Jeremy Corbyn could, of course, complain about that 2018 state of the BBC and earn round of applause here.

      I wonder if he will?

      Corbyn may have been right at the time in his assertion about the BBC but, whether true or not, that view also speaks volumes about Jeremy Corbyn.

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  3. Ed Hitter says:

    Hey, move over Boris, there’s real breaking news out there. Rochdale rapists/sex traffickers stripped of citizenship. You will only find it on the BBC website under English regional news – that is where they choose to hide it. Meanwhile, here is the Mail version of a proper news story about how certain women have been treated in this country…..
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6039089/Three-men-Rochdale-child-sex-abuse-gang-lose-citizenship-appeal.html

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    • Beeb Brother says:

      How much does all the legal aid cost for these ROPers? Benefit fraud; terrorism; ‘grooming’. . .

      They describe a loss of funding for youth projects or some other lefty nonsense as a ‘crisis.’ All this money spent on legal representation for people who hate us and have probably never paid into the system really is a crisis but will never be mentioned.

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    • Dystopian says:

      What’s the point of deporting them when they can just jump on an NGO “rescue boat” and come right back!

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  4. vlad says:

    The intrepid beebistan fearlessly tackle that trickiest of questions,
    “Is it a woman’s choice to cover up?”

    They answer by quoting “UK mother-of-seven Tahira Noor” (who she? you may ask).

    “UK mother-of-seven Tahira Noor, who has been wearing a burka for 20 years, says it’s “100% my choice” and Mr Johnson’s comments show a “lack of knowledge”.
    The “majority of the women who wear the burka” she says, are born and brought up in Britain. They are “educated in this country, they’ve been to colleges, universities, and have understood why they want to do what they’re doing,” she told BBC Radio 5 Live.
    “They’re under no oppression, they’re not doing it because their husbands want them to or their fathers want them to.” ”

    So there you have it: all these home grown, savvy, educated, liberated and westernised women choose to wear an ugly, uncomfortable, poor-visibility and swelteringly hot symbol of oppression, out of free choice and with no compulsion from anyone, while their sisters throughout the muslim world can’t wait to dump the bin-bags asap, and do so given half a chance.

    So that’s all right then. Case closed.

    (Oddly they didn’t think to ask the erudite, informed and heroically brave Ayaan Hirsi Ali who compared it to wearing a Swastika!)

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1441345/Ayaan-Hirsi-Ali-says-wearing-burka-like-wearing-Swastika.html

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45112792

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  5. JimS says:

    Today’s little bit of humour from The Guardian:

    Place the CPR pad

    This is not essential, but it contains a censor that checks whether you are doing the CPR correctly. It is a brutal business – pressing to the recommended depth of “a third of the chest cavity” can break ribs.

    Of course it does! One can just hear it shout out, “Not on the extreme right!”

    [‘Press, press, press’: how to use a defibrillator]

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  6. pugnazious says:

    Boris Johnson says burkas make women look like ‘bank robbers and letter boxes’ – but we shouldn’t ban them

    Islamist Sayeeda Warsi today exclaims that…

    ‘His words signalled something else. He said – not only to those Muslim women who veil, but to many more who associate with a faith in which some women do – that you don’t belong here.’

    Well OK Boris is an evil islamophobe….just as Islamist Warsi must be having said this not one year ago…

    ‘Sayeeda Warsi has said she hopes the Islamic face veil will disappear from the UK within 20 years.

    Lady Warsi – the Conservative peer and first Muslim woman to serve in a British cabinet – had previously defended the wearing of the full face veil but said at the Hay literary festival that she did not ‘know what its purpose is in terms of British Islam’.
    According to The Times, she said the veil was not a ‘British manifestation’, adding that its use in Saudi Arabia could historically be understood because “I presume if you were running through the desert it was good because you didn’t get sand in your face”.’

    Warsi says the various headcoverings are not ‘British’ and she hopes they will disappear…she is saying ‘you don’t belong here’.

    Is she therefore an islamophobe who is dehumanising and demonising Muslim women ‘putting targets on their backs’ as she describes Boris?

    What is dehumanising is forcing women to wear a shapeless bag that turns here into a faceless non-person, not an individual but the possession of a man. What puts a target on her back is an Islam that says she must wear this and gives licence to men to harass and intimidate and bully her until she does.

    ‘A fully burqaed woman once turned up at my house, a graduate, covered in cuts, burns, bruises and bites. Do we know how many wounded, veiled women walk around hidden among us?’

    Waris goes on today to say this…

    ‘Boris Johnson’s contempt for Muslim women is part of a dangerous pattern ….Ridiculing people doesn’t make them more likely to integrate. The Conservative party is alienating a whole section of society.’

    How are her comments any different even down to the ‘ridicule’ as she says the veil is only there to stop sand blowing in your face….and you’re not in Saudi Arabia. Surely her comments are just as ‘alienating’ to any burkha wearing Muslim.

    As for letterboxes….he’s not wrong…

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    And burkha bankrobbers and crims? There’s loads of them…..for real….

    ”Burqa Bandit’ is latest among small set of female bank robbers ‘

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    ‘The runaway terrorist, his burka disguise, and a compensation bid’

    ‘The ‘burkha bandits’: Robbers armed with knives and an axe wear Muslim dress to raid stores’

    ‘Gang who wore burkas during burglaries jailed for 87 years’

    ‘Gang of armed robbers wore burkas as disguise’

    ‘BURKA-clad robbers foiled as eagle-eyed shoppers spotted they walked like MEN’

    burkha-robbery-601485.jpg

    The BBC have of course been making hay with this…failing to remind us that nearly all the critics are either islamists or Remain politicians and that Boris has a long history of challenging Islam and of course this comes directly as a liberal response to the Danes banning the burkha, not as the BBC now suggest due to a meeting with Steve bannon as part of some ‘far-right’ dog-whistle to the deplorables….they seem to forget he said there should be no ban.

    The BBC say this is a cynical attempt to bolster his bid to be PM and that it was intended to get all the media talking….so why does the BBC talk about it, and why nearly wholly concentrate on the most trivial aspect of his words, the letterboxes and bankrobbers? They could have completely ignored that and just gone on the substance of his comments, the oppressive nature of the burkha and face veil. All those critics you feel do not give a damn about Muslim women and are soley out to get Boris…hence they do not talk about that oppression and instead weaponise the issue to try and undermine Boris.

    Boris a few years back….

    ‘To any non-Muslim reader of the Koran, Islamophobia – fear of Islam – seems a natural reaction, and, indeed, exactly what that text is intended to provoke. Judged purely on its scripture – to say nothing of what is preached in the mosques – it is the most viciously sectarian of all religions in its heartlessness towards unbelievers. As the killer of Theo Van Gogh told his victim’s mother this week in a Dutch courtroom, he could not care for her, could not sympathise, because she was not a Muslim.

    The trouble with this disgusting arrogance and condescension is that it is widely supported in Koranic texts, and we look in vain for the enlightened Islamic teachers and preachers who will begin the process of reform. What is going on in these mosques and madrasas? When is someone going to get 18th century on Islam’s medieval ass?

    It is time that we started to insist that the Muslim Council of Great Britain, and all the preachers in all the mosques, extremist or moderate, began to acculturate themselves more closely to what we think of as British values. We can’t force it on them, but we should begin to demand change in a way that is both friendly and outspoken.

    Charles Moore….

    ‘ Nothing has changed in 25 years to ease my concerns about Islam

    It seemed to me that most Muslim leaders saw their role not in integrating Muslims in Britain, but in asserting difference and increasing their muscle. Many favoured sharia law trumping British law. They would not support Muslim membership of the Armed Forces if those forces were deployed against Muslim countries. They wanted it to be illegal to attack Islam, let alone denigrate its prophet; and they waged constant “lawfare” to try to silence their critics. They tended, I thought, to see the advance of their cause as a zero-sum game in which the authorities had to cede more ground (sometimes it is literally a matter of territory) to Muslims.’

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  7. Beeb Brother says:

    The image accompanying Boris on their website is of an extremely sinister-looking woman in a black burqa. It is almost like they are parodying themselves at times. Yeah – what a glorious, totally not scary symbol of feminine empowerment. They could not have chosen a worse image.

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  8. G.W.F. says:

    BBC need to show Pat Condell’s take on the Burka – this mantle of misery.

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  9. Dover Sentry says:

    “”Sky Data poll: Comparing women who wear burkas to bank robbers ‘not racist’ “”

    https://news.sky.com/story/sky-data-poll-comparing-women-who-wear-burkas-to-bank-robbers-not-racist-11465688

    60% stated that BJ’s comments were not racist.

    Less than 50% stated that he should apologise.

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    • vlad says:

      Revealing up to a point, but let us remember that people answer these polls along partisan lines: in this case Labour voters will take the opportunity to knock a prominent Tory, and remoaners a prominent Brexiteer. Given which, it’s surprising that the negative responses are as low as they are, and the percentages of people who think it’s not racist and that he shouldn’t apologise are probably much higher.

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  10. Guest Who says:

    Anthony has clearly seen what gets Katty the big bucks and is making his editorial play whilst she is away….

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  11. Richard Pinder says:

    Comparing bank robbers who wear burkas to postal workers (see below) is not racist because the bank robber could be Bosnian, and the postal worker could also be Bosnian. Therefore both could be white Muslims of the same race.

    gr_traditional_free_standing_pillar_box_in_midnight_black.jpg

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  12. Fedup2 says:

    A young black boy( 7) is killed in his Londonistan home in an arson attack … al beeb factually reports it but doesn’t go Grenfell on it or do a general whitee to blame ritual.

    Now it turns out that a possible motive was gang related because the dead kids brother is ‘ known to police ‘ .

    So move along – nothing to see .

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  13. Doobster78 says:

    Article about film….loads out there …what pic do the beeb choose ??
    https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1027232064746254336

    Rammed down our throats everyday !!!!

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  14. Beeb Brother says:

    RE: Johnson burqa comments.

    Apparently he could hurt community relations with such comments. Why disseminate them then? Few would even know about what he has said had the BBC not shrieked so loudly. If there were any real chance of civil disorder the event would be memory holed, as with the ‘grooming’ gangs. Now they really did not help community relations.

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  15. Chalkywhite says:

    This has probably been mentioned before, but why is the Boris Johnson story still the headline story on the BBC. It’s been there for at least 48 hours…Why?? Has nothing else newsworthy happened in the world in the last two days? Hmm, let me see….political bias by any chance? An attempt by the BBC to discredit the man they blame for Brexit?? How much am I paying for this biased tripe? Too much methinks.

    PS I see the news about the Rotherham grooming gang has been ‘demoted’ to a minor regional story by the BBC. How long was it on the front page for? Ten minutes or so?

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    • Up2snuff says:

      Chalky, tell me please, has that BBC Fran Unsworth resigned yet?

      PS: Yes, you are.

      (Paying too much for it. Give up TV. Save money.)

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      • Chalkywhite says:

        Up2snuff,
        Fran who? Does she own a helicopter?

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        • Up2snuff says:

          No, that’s me, helicoptering her in to any Thread. Fran Unsworth was the BBC Head of News on duty when the BBC were informed by Yorkshire Police about the raid on Cliff Richard’s UK property. She was the one who took the decision to cover the raid.

          Why do I keep asking if she has resigned? It’s because the BBC are very happy to go after people, for days at a time, that they think have done wrong, particularly when they are Conservative Ministers or MPs (strange, that) and especially when they are Leave-voting Conservative Ministers or MPs (very strange, that) but not so keen to go after one of their own when they have done wrong.

          I’ll keep it up for about two weeks, which is how long the BBC went after Priti Patel and Damian Green and Amber Rudd.

          If I don’t lose interest first.

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    • Beeb Brother says:

      Think how clever, funny and informative PJW’s videos are on YouTube. And they are free. There are countless others as well.

      The BBC suffers from diseconomies of scale: it must be impossible to say or do anything without checking it through with umpteen cowardly middle managers. Political correctness ties their hands and cuts out their tongue. It is tragic to see an organisation with such history, power and resources so debilitated by this virus. How can you explore the world objectively if you have decided exactly how everything is before you start?

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      • StewGreen says:

        @Beeb is that different from Diminishing Returns to Scale ?
        the polar opposite of economies to scale

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        • Beeb Brother says:

          Up to a point things become more efficient the bigger they get which is economies of scale. You reach a point where organisations like the NHS become so vast they become inefficient as they are so much harder to govern. Also as they have a fixed amount of funding to spend each year they will always just spend it rather than be more efficient knowing that any excess cash will go into profits. It is why the BBC employs about ten ‘directors of change’ or whatever – they just spend all their money as they know another lump is guaranteed each year. A private company would not be so profligate, plus their subscription rates would dwindle from all the irritating changes their ‘change directors’ are initiating thus guarding against bad management.

          Economics is not my subject but I think that is the gist of it and it makes sense. Give it a google.

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    • Chalkywhite says:

      The news that ‘Two men have been convicted of murdering a jeweller who was kidnapped and tortured in a botched robbery’ didn’t even make it to the front page. So which is more important to the ‘Unsworth’s of this world? Something said in a newspaper article, or somebody being tortured to death? By the way according to the ‘article’: ‘Jervis was sent back to the shop to open the safe while wearing a burka disguise’.

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  16. Up2snuff says:

    The launch of a new political Party for the UK is being talked about on BBC R4 today but strangely, this foremost, well-respected news organisation has nothing about it on its web-site.

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  17. Guest Who says:

    Interesting on a couple of counts.

    The number of ex-beeboids gobbing off ‘views their own’ when before it was… well, the same.

    And the number of them AN is calling up on it.

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    • StewGreen says:

      In a proper world we’d see beeboid disagreeing with each other all the time
      But instead we see them rushing into conformity without going through the proper debate process.

      ====
      But AfNeil showed he’s still metro-lib
      By calling this “offensive drivel.”
      \\Oh get a grip u pansy.
      Where was the moral outrage from Muslim women and their camp followers when the grooming gangs were exposed?
      Muslims get a free ride whatever attrocities they perpetrate and God knows why the liberals are climbing up their backsides time after time//
      (Don’t know why the guy chose to sneer at gays ..but he’s right about the lack of outrage about grooming gangs)

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    • StewGreen says:

      There was a good comment
      \\ The burqa debate? Don’t get me started,if you aren’t even allowed to choose a husband, how is your clothing a choice?
      It’s a modification of Stockholm Syndrome, you fall in love with your chains.
      Been there, done that, got the clothing to prove it.
      Until all of us are free.//

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    • Payne by name says:

      Exactly.

      The only choice the women make is between the Burkha or a backhand from their partner, husband, father, brother or uncle.

      The complete melting of brains over this issue is amazing. Look on any women’s forum (I remember once reading and contributing to the Cosmo forum a few years back) and it would be full of indignation if a girl talked about how her boyfriend liked her wearing this dress or those shoes.

      “Don’t let a guy decide what you wear”
      “Wear whatever YOU want, don’t appease his wishes”

      Yet your male relative or partner throwing a black polyester figure hiding, social interaction killing garment at you is totally fine.

      “You make that choice girl and wear it proudly” – even though nobody will recognise the pride you have wearing it because no one can read your body language.

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  18. taffman says:

    I notice this evening from Al Beeb that Dominic Grieve, arch remainer, says he would resign if Boris became leader.
    Funny that, as many Europhiles are up in arms about Borris’s comments about the burka when much of the EU has already the banned the attire?
    The debate is becoming burka vs Brexit.

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    • Holly Selassie says:

      Amazing what proportion of the camp following pigmies of the political caste are seeing Johnsons comments as some kind of play for leadership.
      Suppose there`s no chance of them ever taking the words, similes and knockabout banter , as simply words on paper.
      Just because THEY have to read the chicken bones in their playpen doesn`t mean that we have to stomach it, let alone take it as truth.
      They want Brexit gone, Trump dead and Islam in charge under Brussels beady eye.
      Boris is a sideshow, but like Tommy and Donald-his very existence is the offence here.
      Let them play their games-we want out, and we want a political caste that might know the crisis we are now in. If not, we`ll do it all ourselves, a Christian Brotherhood and truly radicalised to shaft the liberal elite who hate both men and Christians. Be nice to give them the excuses to hate us, even if they do nothing but suck up as did Boris-they`ll STILL be hated, Might as well give them a reason then.

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    • taffman says:

      Just what did Kenneth Clarke and Emily Thornberry say about the garment?
      I don’t recollect any wailing and gnashing of teeth by Al Beeb following their comments ?

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      • LastChanceSaloon says:

        t – In the most recent photograph I have seen of Lady Nugee she was wearing several burkas stitched together.

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  19. Eddy Booth says:

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  20. taffman says:

    I have stated this before and will repeat this again ……….
    There has been a phase shift in politics.
    UKIP have become the Tories,
    LibDems have become the Labour Party,
    Labour Party have become Communists.
    Vote and support UKIP https://ukip.org

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    • StewGreen says:

      UKIP are vulnerable to infiltration by agitators
      Take that autistic like stunt where MBGA including 3 UKIP bods rushed into the Socialist bookshop shouting
      … possible that was a setup by an agent provocateur ?

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    • smoogie7 says:

      Labour have become the Monster Raving Loony Party but without the humour.

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  21. Zelazek says:

    In Mark Kermode’s Secrets of Cinema, Mark sneers at a clip of Captain Kirk in Star Trek: “A white, straight alpha male ordering the more diverse characters around.”

    I get the feeling from that comment that Mark Kermode has looked at himself in the mirror. I fear he is contemplating stepping down as chief film critic of the Observer. He surely must be considering his position on all these plum presenting jobs on the BBC as well. And I presume he now regrets seizing the golden opportunity of making his own five-part documentary series on BBC Four and denying it to some black, gay, beta male.

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    • Eddy Booth says:

      black, bent, beta male.

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    • Woolwich says:

      Which is why I managed the first episode and 20 minutes of the second before vowing not to watch again. Honestly, it’s good manners alone that prevent me from calling Kermode what he deserves to be called, he’s the epitome of an appeaser who thinks by being on the other side he’ll escape punishment. He won’t, he’ll just be the last one to be punished and the people who would have stood beside won’t be there because he sold them down the river long ago.
      Obviously he must have been talking about a Star Trek film, that’ll be the films that came as result of the series that broke ground in the 60s featuring as they did a diverse cast of actors including a Japanese American (only 20 years after Pearl Harbour) and a high ranking black female officer. That’s 3 boxes ticked with her alone in a time before box ticking became a requirement. 4 if you count the, at the time, shocking first interracial kiss on TV. And for the record, like anything that’s done well and done for the right reasons I never even saw Lt Uhura as a box ticking exercise, she was a well written, well rounded PERSON. And Star Trek as a whole has always been an ensemble piece that’s ignored race and sex, a female captain in iirc Voyager and a black Commander in iirc Deep Space 9.
      Kermode is a prat who views everything from his self appointed moral high ground and , assuming he didn’t mention the parts of the Star Trek Universe that I just have, doesn’t do his research either. And this is Star Trek, an action series set aboard a vessel. There HAS to be someone in charge, if you wage war against the Klingons but take a democratic vote every time a decision has to be made then your ship will be vapourised before the opening credits.
      What next, slag off Chaplin’s The Kid because the titular character wasn’t a black girl? Have a go at Casablanca because Sam is represented as Rick’s employee? Criticise the special effects in Jaws? Any idiot should know that a film is the product of its time and should be viewed as such, we can maybe wince at some of the language and situations that are no longer heard or seen for the better, but pointing out a strong white man as if that’s a bad thing? What a prat.

      Zelazek, if you read this comment and assuming your telly screen isn’t broken because of the remote that you threw at it, do you remember which films of the genre came out as top drawer entertainment? And are any of them films I might have heard of?? I guessing not and I’m guessing something independent starring lesbians or something about 4 hours long that came out of Communist Russia were his top picks.

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      • Beltane says:

        I always feel sympathy for the BBC cleaner who has to mop up after a Kermode appearance. Surely the most oleaginous presenter on the payroll.

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    • Payne by name says:

      Maybe Kermode doesn’t grasp what the role of a Captain is. Perhaps he thinks that prior to every situation Kirk should convene a committee meeting with a range of free trade sandwiches discussing all outcomes carried out in a ‘safe’ environment along with a sign language translator even though no one is deaf.

      Seems like the makers have failed the Kobiyashu Maru test in the eyes of Kermode and his boorish, prententious chin rubbing buffoons.

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  22. taffman says:

    I have no doubt that Al Beeb is relishing the fact that the £ has dropped and blame it on ‘Brexit sell off gathering pace.’
    IMHO, its fall was triggered by the Guv of the Bank of England with his negative and depressing forecasts on the economy. Is he willing to sacrifice the economy of Great Britain in order to prevent Brexit?
    Has Al Beeb ever broadcast anything positive about Brexit and this nation’s independence?

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    • Up2snuff says:

      taffman, there are some wealthy people around the globe who may favour keeping the UK in the EU. In Russia for example, to make it easier to roll over Europe if need be. Or in the oil & gas producing world, to keep us trapped in whatever the EU decides for energy policy. Or Soros, perhaps, for whatever motive he has.

      They can use their wealth as a weapon (much less messy than bombs & bullets) and possibly increase it on the way by shorting Sterling.

      Create some panic and try to get Brexit postponed or cancelled. I did say the arch-Remainers and Remoaners would fight dirty. They may scrap all the way to 29th March 2019 although I expect a distinct change of tactic if the Parliamentary vote keeps Brexit on track in October.

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    • LastChanceSaloon says:

      t – Whatever it takes – Draghi.

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  23. Beeb Brother says:

    “They keep voters by keeping them ignorant. We gain voters by giving them information.”

    How true is that? It is why you get more conservative as you get older: you know how the world works.

    Note how conservatives never deny lefties a platform? It is because we have the facts on our side. Who would not relish the opportunity to publicly expose how wrong your opponents are? Everyone now having a platform is a huge problem for the elites.

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  24. StewGreen says:

    “OMG : Hothouse Earth ”
    was the narrative a few days ago
    real news
    ..or an essay someone had written ?

    https://cliscep.com/2018/08/08/who-pushed-the-alarmist-domino-scientists-or-the-media/

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    • Richard Pinder says:

      There were two historic hothouse hypotheses, both have been proven to be “Fake News“. I presume both hypotheses were resurrected from the dead by the BBC, for release at the height of the summer of 2018, as “BBC Fake News“.

      (1) The runaway global warming water vapour positive feedback rubbish that is no longer mentioned in the scientific community. That hypothesis was testable and a scientific analysis proved that the Earths Atmosphere has a state of negative feedback.

      (2)The other hothouse hypothesis is based on CO2 levels being three times what they are now during the days of the Dinosaurs, Solar irradiance being weaker and yet the temperature being much hotter. The paper (Unified Theory of Climate, Ned Nikolov & Karl Zeller, 2011) shows that the average surface temperature divided by the grey body temperature gives you the magnitude of the Thermal inertia which resembles the response of the temperature/potential temperature ratio to the altitudinal changes of pressure described by the Poisson formula. The solution is that this correlates with higher atmospheric pressure. I have heard that the Atmospheric pressure must have been at least double and possibly as much as 5 bar, which would prove the “Unified Theory of Climate“. This also resolves two other anomalies, which are how a dinosaur’s heart could pump blood 23 feet upwards and how a giant flying Quetzalcoatlus had the energy to stay airborne, something that biology and aerodynamics says is not possible in today’s atmosphere, but in which Nikolov & Zeller‘s theory provides the solution.

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  25. Lucy Pevensey says:

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  26. Alicia Sinclair says:

    Weren`t the BBC told that their pathetic clunking efforts to lob in “arts and culture” to make up for their having no news to pad out three hours of “Today” was a turn off?
    Their response?
    To push some “opera” about Marie Stopes FFS.
    As for the “troubling issue of eugenics and her Nazi sympathies”?
    Er, next question pleased.

    And why does the BBC let Humphrys do “science interviews”?
    His “interview” with Lovelock was pitiful. Pretty clear which of the two of them sounded 100 years old, and doolally?

    Does the BBC actually HAVE any science graduates, or do they all have to be fags for a Dimbleby to play at being Stinks the Chemistry bod in the Upper Fourth?
    Pathetic. Why do we bother?

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  27. Up2snuff says:

    TWT Watch #1

    It appears that Libby-Lefties, even when they write for the Daily Mail, are absolutely terrified of the thought of Bojo as PM. If it’s got them scared, imagine what it is doing to Corbyn & McDonnell and Co.

    As a bit of a Tory ‘wet’ (actually I’m so damp, I’m wringing, RINGING!) I’m not keen on Bojo but, like President Trump, I do rather appreciate the lather that he’s bringing out of the Alt-Left. Ian Birrell was foamin’!

    A touch of the Cussins Imperial.

    Thank God for Laura Perrins (Conservative Woman) talking some sense on TWT tonight.

    Shaun Ley did quite a good job.

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  28. Tabs says:

    A very good documentary on BBC4 from 10pm to 11pm “Bridging the Gap: How the Severn Bridge Was Built”.

    Hideously white man only programme showing the designers and builders of the bridge in the early to mid 1960’s. No mention of any other country apart from America in comparison to how much more steel they used on their bridges.

    No mention of how the UK cannot do anything on their own and no mention of needing foreigner engineers and builders.

    So what has changed since 1960? Is Britain incapable of doing anything on their own and need the EU? No, all that has changed is the BBC started to hate white men and everything British and claim we are useless and must have immigration to help us wipe our arses.

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  29. StewGreen says:

    Interesting views from the American Spectator
    August https://spectator.org/heres-you-mr-tommy-robinson

    March : https://spectator.org/free-speech-is-dead-in-britain

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  30. Up2snuff says:

    Belated TWatO watch #2 (that fits with Stew’s timely post above)

    TWatO brought news that some ISP has banned Alex Jones and his InfoWars site from its platform. TWatO brought on Dr Paul Evans (think that was his name – something to do with the media world – Guardian writer, BBC programme maker?) to comment who sounded benign enough at first. By the end, however, it got quite chilling. Seems like the sort of guy to give Joseph Goebbels pause.

    Who says all the Fascists are in the Conservative and UKIP Parties?

    Dr Evans would like to close down every media outlet that he does not approve of.

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  31. taffman says:

    Here is a thought that would scare the living daylights out of Al Beeb – BoJo , Farage and Rees Mogg join together to reform UKIP?

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    • Payne by name says:

      God that would be good. Granted it would damage the Tories, split the conservative vote and let Labour in but it would be wonderful seeing the faces of those spineless Tories.

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    • Banania says:

      Now there’s a thought. And UKIP already have the admirable Sarkon of Akkad and Paul Joseph Watson.

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  32. Eddy Booth says:

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    No bias here then…
    Photoshop trumps head onto what?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45120580

    Things past me by, I now realize this is called Trump Derangement Syndrome.
    Good video explaining it here.By candace owens
    over 18 for some reason so you may have to log into youtube

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  33. Panda says:

    Dominic Grieve(ance) will leave the Tory party if Boris becomes leader. See you then, missing you already.
    Just a thought: are the BBC demonstrating Boris aphobia?

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  34. taffman says:

    Trump stands by UK against Russia ? How do Al Beeb report it?

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  35. Eddy Booth says:

    Netflix’s Insatiable
    I’ll download and watch this at the weekend; if the miserable gits at the BBC/ Guardian /Independent hate it, it must be fun.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-45113873
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    The trailer of new comedy series Insatiable sparked outrage last month, with social media users claiming it sent a bad message about body image.
    The premise of the series sees unpopular and overweight schoolgirl, Patty, seeking revenge on bullies after returning to school from the summer holidays with a new (thinner) body.
    But the footage in the trailer has been seen by some as “fat-shaming”.

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  36. BRISSLES says:

    The silence is deafening from Lineker, has he been threated with the heave-ho by Walkers ?

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    • Up2snuff says:

      Brissles my dear old thing, (well, it is STILL the cricket season) was the last we heard of Lineker his attempt to promote a new Centrist political Party or call for a second EU Referendum? Or both?

      Could it be that he’s realised he’s jumped the gun a bit?

      Has he not Tweeted recently? Funny thing, the BBC are criticising President Trump this morning for NOT Tweeting about the new US sanctions on Russia.

      You couldn’t make it up!

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    • JamesArthur says:

      Well my wife complained to them about him and the spouting of his political views…I hope she’s the one who did it 🙂

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      • BRISSLES says:

        Up2….. I come over all unnecessary when you call me a ‘dear old thing’ 🙂

        JamesA, I also complained to Walkers a few months back, and they replied that any views that Lineker made “were of an entirely personal nature ” — they have to take note if they get enough complaints.

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  37. BRISSLES says:

    All the hot air being spouted about whether to Burk or not to Burk ,is hardly new.

    Those old enough to remember, that back in 2003 an article by a well known personality in the Sunday Express “We Owe the Arabs Nothing” caused uproar, and a flurry of web messages and emails circulated by various Muslim organisations notified people of the outrage. The circulars from the Muslim Public Affairs Committee, the Muslim Council of Britain, the Islamic Human Rights Commission and the Islamic Affairs Central Network, to mention a few, were focused, informative and, above all, empowering. They contained a chronology of names and contacts of editors at the BBC and the Sunday Express, and instructions on how to make complaints. In the end, the BBC was left with little choice but to suspend Robert Kilroy-Silk and cancel his tv show.

    We can only win the war against this religion by making our opinions known as in the Sky poll where the majority agreed with Boris.

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  38. TonyHallForPope says:

    Reading the most popular comments on this article, looks like they didn’t get the desired reaction so they closed the comments. LMAO.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/get-inspired/44533717

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    • JimS says:

      I liked this quote:

      “We started our youth section in 2005 and that was 50/50 in terms of black and other communities. That has now gone to probably 10% Afro-Caribbean and 90% South Asian,” he says.

      If he looked out of the window he would probably find that streets reflect that proportion too. The Afro-Caribbean in places like Birmingham is becoming the minority of minorities, the ‘African’ is more likely to be a French-speaking ‘Afro-African’ Muslim than a Bible-believing Afro-Caribbean.

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  39. Payne by name says:

    I must confess that I do get very bored by British politics. I was jacked up for the referendum and did as much as I could in promoting Brexit and sponging up the news and media guff.

    But since then and seeing the endless put downs, dithering and ‘political analysis’ by Laura Kunessberg, it just reverted to the same old shit. The arguments on QT which I watched for years are exactly the same, the same crowd pleasing rhetoric and the same banal conversations.

    American politics does however really interest me. The divide is greater as Trump stands for a certain direction (which I agree with) and his opponents are in completely the opposite direction. I appreciate the clear space between the sides.

    The Beeb talk about Trump so much he might as well be our president and everything that happens in US culture, race relations etc ultimately affects ours. YouTube (whilst you can still find different opinions) offers some great insight and along with my usual trope of Fox News, Steven Crowder, Stefan Molyneaux etc I spent last week really enjoying some of the speeches of Dinesh D’Souza.

    Some of you may know that he has a new film/documentary out called Death of a Nation where he makes comparisons between Trump and Lincoln and talks about the Democrats deceit in being supporters of slavery and the KKK yet now modelling themselves on being for the minorities. The documentary sounds fascinating and having seen his speeches and incredible knowledge and fact checking it’s something I’d like to see if it’s ever available in the UK.

    So this guy is an Indian legal immigrant to the US and his film 2016: Obama’s America is the second highest grossing political documentary ever made in the US. It will come as no surprise that the film has been reviewed by just 11 critics on rotten tomatoes and received a combined tomatometer rating of 0%. Strangely though it has received an audience score of 90% from 3,638 ratings – how strange!

    Hands up for anyone actually surprised by the critics reactions? Just proves what many have thought, that despite their protestations of fairness and balance, most (but not all) modern critics are incapable of reviewing a film without seeing it through the filter of their own narrative.

    Completely oblivious when being hit in the face with blatant and tiresome virtue signalling (Black Panther, Get Out, Detroit) yet completely triggered when their SJW bubble commands their compliance with dismissing (replete with personal insults) an alternative opinion or interpretation. And these are meant to be the enlightened ones?

    And to prove the point, Spike Lee’s latest film BlacKKKlansman, a tiresome one sided race baiting piece of nonsense that RT summates as “uses history to offer bitingly trenchant commentary on current events” gets a whopping 97% rating.

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  40. Loobyloo says:

    India Assam: Will four million people really be deported? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-45082757

    Why this article bBBC? Aahhh….I see.

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  41. Loobyloo says:

    US suspect was ‘training children to commit school shootings’ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45120580

    Here are some ladies that I’m sure have opted to wear the head covering etc.. great to see ????

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    • Dover Sentry says:

      Thanks, Lobyloo.

      Here’s an extract:

      “”Police said they had been aware of the compound for some time but had to wait for a search warrant before entering, as the occupants were “most likely heavily armed and considered extremist of the Muslim belief”.

      “”Mr Wahhaj was armed with an AR-15 rifle and four pistols when they encountered him, they said.

      “”According to New York media, Mr Wahhaj’s father, Imam Siriaj Wahhaj, is a prominent Muslim leader in Brooklyn, who has been called “one of the most admired Muslim leaders” in the US.

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      • Guest Who says:

        Golly. The Wahhaj’s from the block clearly doing their bit to provide an alternative to the white hipsterism that offends the bbc so.

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  42. Beeb Brother says:

    I have finally joined the mass exodus from radio 4. It is LBC for me now. Not a single SJW story through the night. I have not once been sneered at or patronised. Plus my hero God Emperor Donald Trump has not once been smeared or attacked.

    I feel so much better. I will still visit Radio 4 for the odd programme but my default will be LBC now.

    My mum is the same. She has always been a huge fan of radio 4 but is sick of all the crap about race and gender.

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    • oldcrone says:

      BB … can you get LBC on FM 97.3 frequency all over UK or is it just London? Which it says on the website. Do they broadcast through the night? Thanks.

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  43. Swelter says:

    BB .If you feel nostalgic for the Beeb .Give James O Brien a go. 10 am till1 pm. Three hours of undiluted Left wing bile.

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  44. Guest Who says:

    The daily bbc email is always a good barometer of what the bbc decides the people need to know.

    One is two rich American luvvies having a spat over money. Very ‘When Carrie Met Tony’.

    Another is this gem:

    “Footballers’ hearts Study suggests the risk of players dying because their heart stops beating is higher than experts thought”

    In the words of Mr. Sackhur, I’m no expert but… I would have thought the risk of anyone dying when their heart stops beating would be around 100%.

    Information and education to treasure.

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  45. Annunaki says:

    No mention of leading Imam’s letter to the Times about no Islamic legitimacy for the burka then and it being an expression of extremism?
    Nornally muslims’ complaints get pushed to the front of the bbc queue

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    • MartinW says:

      The Oxford Iman’s comments that there is no religious imperative and no Koranic justification of the burka, and that it is in effect an islamist supremicist symbol were mentioned in an early morning (0615?) report on the ‘news headlines on the Today programme. But, when listeners are much more numerous, it is notable and significant that the two specific comments from the imam were not broadcast in the later ‘news headlines’ spot, merely mentioning that the iman supported Boris’s comment. So what’s new? The Today habitually places [through gritted teeth] something that goes against their political / PC stance at extreme ends of the programme when the fewest numbers of listeners are there. It has seemed to me that spokesmen from the right often get put on at ten-to-nine when people are at work.

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  46. Guest Who says:

    #CCBGB

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  47. LastChanceSaloon says:

    2018-08-08 BBC reports. (Reliable sources are available).
    Northamptonshire Council financial crisis c£70million. Overall local government shortfall c£3.2billion.

    Enrichment leads to impoverishment, who would have foreseen this?
    Anyone with an IQ high enough to disbelieve the Labour Party.

    Who is astonished by this development?
    The massed rank ranks of leftydom.
    Leftydom, average IQ, according to Professor Richard Feynman, head of invertebrate studies at MIT, lower than vermin.
    UK head of leftydim is Lord Corbyn of SpecialNeedsandInabilitytofindaTrainSeat.
    Do not be concerned, leftydim has empowered its Unbelievable Excuses Department.
    The solution is unlimited enrichment, well not unlimited only unlimited inwardly into the West.
    A new QANGO, OffTroughSnufflers will be required, to oversee the enrichment and ensure that all innocent white people are placed in solitary confinement for ever, or even longer if they do not repent.

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  48. taffman says:

    Desperadoes tell us that rents could go up 15% because of the shortage of new housing.
    How about rent rises due to too many people coming in to these islands ? When is the Home Offics going to get a grip?

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    • gaxvil says:

      Their rationale is that the immigrants pay taxes which can go to house building but no sane person buys that.

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    • Eddy Booth says:

      Add to that, rent rises due to foreigners buying our homes for investment and ‘leaving them empty.
      Imagine if their was a severe shortage of the other necessity – food …1984 got that wrong , they had it the other way around, and razor blade shortage? nah, try elbow room shortage.
      How today the governments have got the population to accept the housing situation, shows the level of control over us.

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      • gaxvil says:

        In Europe renting is a sound option. Rents are sensible and there isn’t the view that buying has to be the norm. Anyhow, a manufactured ‘shortage’ is always good for keeping prices high. Trouble is the new supposedly ‘family’ homes they’re building people simply can’t afford.
        I lost my home in the housing ‘boom’ of the 80s. We’ve all forgot what a few percent on the mortgage rate does to your monthly repayments.

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        • BRISSLES says:

          And notice how many Asians inhabit the auction rooms on Homes Under the Hammer !

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      • JamesArthur says:

        Eddy
        There was report in Cambridge last year that 50% of a new village was empty because properties had been brought by overseas speculators – how do they know? Well they have to pay some council tax and the council did the sums…so yes , no real lack of property just prices kept up for speculators
        But when will the F..idiots in power ( and those in opposition) accept that 300k more people a year and only building 200k houses isn’t a sustainable balance – as Mulder said ‘the truth is out there’

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        • BRISSLES says:

          Its also galling that overpaid ‘slebs’ often boast in the media about ‘spending the weekend at their home in Devon/Cornwall/Norfolk etc etc” after earning a well earned loaf reading an autocue. e.g Kirstie Allsop – Devon……. Madeley & Finnigan – Cornwall…….

          They excuse themselves by pretending to add to the local economy, but it angers me that it doesn’t help the local kids who want a home where they were born.

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  49. Guest Who says:

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    • fakenewswatcher says:

      Well, if Evan Davis is presenting, we know exactly what to expect. Bias by the bucketload.

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      • fakenewswatcher says:

        Yup, as soon as the word ‘immigration’ pops up, Evan closes it down, saying: You’re surely not being racist..? So we end up with a focus on the elite’s role in potholes, and whether there are buses to Jaywick.

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        • Up2snuff says:

          ‘Lord’ Darling’s contribution toward the end was interesting. He implied that the Brexit vote was all about Trump, Five Star and Pegida and so on.

          Funny, I thought.

          I thought funny.

          I seem to recall I had a booklet from ‘Dave’ telling me it was all about the EU and that, all things considered, I really ought to vote Remain. I duly considered all things, including those not in the booklet such as the BBC’s broadcasts and their web-site, the EU’s own web-site, other campaign leaflets, and then I voted.

          Trump had not been elected, Hillary might have won. The Italian Elections had not taken place.

          Was ‘Lord’ Darling being disingenuous?

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  50. Guest Who says:

    Lest anyone feel their tv is on the fritz.

    Pulitzer awaits.

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