465 Responses to Start the week thread 23 September 2019

  1. Halifax says:

    We’re we ever expecting any other verdict ?? Please try to look surprised.

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    • Fedup2 says:

      I thought they might row for the shore and say’ it’s not for us ‘ but they have their self interests…

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  2. AnneG says:

    Ah well, democracy is finished.
    The courts now say when parliament can and cannot sit. Will they also decide what bills can or cannot be discussed as well.
    Remainder Broadcasting Company, will become the official opposition.
    A very sad day.

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    • Up2snuff says:

      Anne, I’m not so sure.

      Just listening to Lady Hale via R4 TWatO, she specifically linked ‘people’ to ‘Parliament’. I just wonder whether the unanimous ruling and the words used (important that) actually opens a way open to a legal challenge from the ‘people’ if ‘Parliament’ does not deliver a full Brexit on 31 October 2019. Hopefully, Martin Howe and the team at Lawyers for Britain will crawl all over that ruling because it now sets a legal precedent. I am grasping at a straw there but I think it exists.

      All is not yet lost. The gloom has deepened but it has done that before.

      There’s no doubt Bojo bungled. His timing appears to have been way off. He should have foreseen the possible legal challenges. Dominic Cummings credibility is now very much under question.

      The big unknown is whether those two really checked out all the legal implications with some first rate legal advice. I have an uncomfortable feeling that they did not and in Bojo’s usual manner it was done on a sudden whim.

      It could be that the PM is doing what Theresa May could and should have done on 28th or 29th March: resign. That would have ensured that the UK would have left the EU on 29th at 11p.m..

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    • vesnadog says:

      These 11 judges might even have the final say when our nation can or cannot go to war.

      Still, I continue to believe that Brexit will happen eventually.

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      • Up2snuff says:

        vesnadog, indeed, they have effectively negated the previous PM’s giveaway of control over our armed forces. There may be more unintended consequences of this action by Miller & Major.

        It will be absolutely essential for Leave voters to vote in future General Elections because the Supreme Court has effectively endorsed the enfranchisement of the UK Electorate. If we stuff Parliament with Brexiteers after Boris has bungled Brexit* there is no reason why the issue cannot be re-visited.

        There is an equal danger now of the opposite also happening and a Parliament of Remainers taking us back into the EU.

        It will be absolutely vital for Parliament to be filled with conservative patriots, not EUrophiles. So get campaigning folks. Get voting. UK Parliament rules! Who says? HM’s Supreme Court says, that’s who.

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  3. Fedup2 says:

    I’ll read the full judgement tonight but I’m really surprised and saddened that there wasn’t one dissenter out of this 3rd 11.

    A dissenting judgement would have added value to the reasoning as opposed the the Remainer supremes bench and their holiday homes –

    We don’t seem to live in a country where any newspaper will challenge what is going on – and certainly not challenge the personal views and interests of these judges .

    So parliament doesn’t represent the people and now the court becomes wholly supportive of Soros and co…

    Plus – of course the MSM .

    Bercow will recall Parliament for Thursday and bojo will have to get is backside back from America to face the Queen and then get rogered by Bercow and his fan club .

    The ReichEU must be getting more concerned about the state of Britain above purely the issue of Brexit …. mind you – they are quite experienced with dictatorships .

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    • Up2snuff says:

      Thinking about it, Fed, that unanimity might be a good thing. It strengthens the judgement. A 6:5 verdict would have been less satisfactory.

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  4. pugnazious says:

    So Boris is in the biggest pile of doo-doo yet….I guess no surprise really at the decision of the Supreme Court….last week Barnett played her interview with Lady Hale recorded in June which might have given you a clue as to her leanings on how courts must act and the opening remarks of Hale in the actual court case gave the distinct impression she had made up her mind saying this was definitely a legal matter…and thus judiciable and thus open to legal intepretation…which is subjective on this matter…how can you really judge the motivation of the PM when he made this decision?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49722087

    ‘The most senior judge in the UK says the case surrounding Boris Johnson’s suspension of Parliament raises “a serious and difficult question of law”. ‘

    Other courts decided it was not for the courts to decide on political matters…Hale had already decided it was…and thus the die were cast against Boris.

    https://www.supremecourt.uk/news/latest-judgments.html

    LOL…they just made the law up….?

    ‘The issue is whether the advice given by the Prime Minister to Her Majesty the Queen on 27thor 28thAugust 2019 that Parliament should be prorogued from a date between 9thand 12thSeptember until 14thOctober was lawful. It arises in circumstances which have never arisen before and are unlikely ever to arise again. It is a “one off”. But our law is used to rising to such challenges and supplies us with the legal tools to enable us to reason to a solution.’

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    • vesnadog says:

      Wonder if those judges will now make their emails, letters, PCs, Laptops, tweets available to the public/correct sources?.

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  5. smoogie7 says:

    So what is meant to happen now?

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Smoog
      Parliament will come back Thursday ? If technically possible .If bojo doesn’t resign – there will be a motion supported by Bercow to hold him in contempt of parliament – which will pass .- or they’ll chuck a no confidence at him

      After that – but tricky – but I think they will avoid a General Election because they will be slaughtered …..

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      • Up2snuff says:

        Fed, it all depends whether the Conservative Party (Remainers included) try to hold on to power. Jeremy Corbyn would like to believe that he can form a Government. That is all in the air depending on a Vote of Confidence/Impeachment/Bojo resignation.

        If the Tories try to hang on, then there will need to be a leadership election. Three months normally required for that. They only have five complete weeks up to 31 October.

        If the House puts power in Corbyn’s hands then there is likely to be chaos as he will want to start negotiating but the strong Remainers in his Party and in the LibDems, Green & SNP/Plaid will be constantly disrupting his attempts toward revoking A.50 or a fresh Referendum.

        I think Bojo bungled both on his timing of his prorogation but also on not offering a Referendum a little while after his request for a GE was turned down by the House. That would have put the squeeze on Remainers in a big way.

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    • Roland Deschain says:

      Ideally, the Queen dismisses Parliament and calls an election. The courts have overruled her and that cannot stand. She won’t want to get involved but she’s going to get dragged into it anyway.

      Or Boris calls for prorogation as a matter of confidence. If he loses, the Remain rabble have to somehow agree to govern or we have an election.

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      • Thoughtful says:

        The Privy council could and perhaps should advise the Queen to dissolve Parliament and throw the matter back to the people rather than allowing a band of disgraceful self serving individuals to create a situation which might well lead to civil war, or revolution.

        Trouble is the privy council is filled with cowardly useless incompetent tories from the rotten school and there is zero chance of them doing anything effective in a million years.

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  6. Fedup2 says:

    I’m trying to guess what N Farage will say – and I suspect support for the brexit party just hardened a few per cent .

    I wonder if there will finally be a General Election ? I’m guessing they’ll hold until after the 31st October .

    Any bets on the caretaker PM ?

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    • smoogie7 says:

      Not sure the the remainers can muster a caretaker at the moment. Corbyn has decided against full on remain which would upset the Lib Dems.

      We have to go for a GE now. No other option

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      • Fedup2 says:

        Smoog – they’ll look at the polls and won’t like the results so will avoid the GE

        By the way … Aaron Banks cleared of criminality by the National crime bods or plods if you prefer …. for what that’s worth

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        • smoogie7 says:

          Yes I heard that Aaron Banks was cleared but conveniently that story can now be dropped

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          • Up2snuff says:

            smoogie, another Remainer lie is proven as such. It may not be such a good day for Remainers as they think.

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      • Thoughtful says:

        Clarke & Harperson are the two Quislings being proposed as usurpers.

        There is only the cowardly useless incompetent Tory party to blame for this mess. They have suffered for years as a result of incompetence at the top trying to be all things to all men, a ‘broad Church’ and in their arrogance they thought they knew more than God himself.

        The atrocious Cameron – every inch a product of his rotten school education made some spectacular errors while in office, all the time in thrall to his image of Tony BLiar who he called ‘The Master’. It was however a false image as Cameron was unable to unite his ‘broad Church’ in the same way BLiar got everyone ‘on message’. It has been an impossible task to get the Tory party to pull in the same direction.

        Sacking the 21 (or so) rebels is a good start they absolutely need to be removed from the party or it will never be able to recover. Let us hope that the cowardly useless incompetent party officials do not allow them to rejoin.

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  7. Panda says:

    Ok ok we get it BBC. We understand our vote counted for nothing and Gina Miller, yourselves, and the vast majority of parliament know better than us.
    We will now sit down and shut up and be dictated too by our ‘betters’. We know its for the best as you’ve told us it is.

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  8. Yasser Dasmibehbi says:

    So Gina Miller is the most powerful person in the UK!

    Good Lord, Brits, how did you come to this?

    Words fail me!

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    • smoogie7 says:

      Did anyone vote for Gina’s Party in the last GE?

      I could not remember seeing any names for the invisible party on the ballot

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    • Up2snuff says:

      Yasser, it appears that way but read Lady Hale’s words.

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  9. smoogie7 says:

    Corbyn wants Johnson to resign and that Labour are ‘ready to govern’

    So is Corbyn going for a GE now then?

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  10. G.W.F. says:

    Chuka wants Boris to resign and he suggests a caretaker PM. One of the names he suggests is Harriet Harman

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    • Up2snuff says:

      G.W.F., just here to apologise for guffawing at your post. Nothing personal. 😉 Might be something to do with the name suggested.

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  11. The General says:

    Smug looks from 11 old farts. They have ruled that from now on it is them who have control rather than the British people and their elected Government.

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  12. The General says:

    A leering Dominic Grieve on TV. I might just put a brick through it.

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  13. The General says:

    So we will be looking forward to constructive Parliamentary debate on Brexit over the next few weeks.

    Dream on !!!!

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  14. EmptyingDadsShed says:

    What are the consequences if Boris does not re open parliament?
    Can the ruling be appealed?
    .

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    • smoogie7 says:

      What about the party conferences?

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Emptying
      No there’s no appeal
      Bercow rings the leaders of each party and says any objection to bring parliament back on – say – Thursday . He ll do it today .

      I don’t think Boris can go back to the monarch again to get Prorogation – no one will bring hin down apart from those who have already said they are retiring from this particular gravy train

      A general election will just give ‘the people ‘ a voice in their own future and remainers wont risk that as so many will be gone .

      But please can we have a General Election …

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      • Demon says:

        A clever choice of day to bring Parliament back. The TUC, “Lib “Dems”, Labour will all have had their conferences. But this date will stop the Conservatives having theirs.

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        • smoogie7 says:

          Seems suspicious doesn’t it?

          Don’t like someone? Stop them from having a conference!

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          • Demon says:

            Boris ought to make the point and all the Conservative MPs should hold up sheets of paper with a large printed “Silenced”.

            Printing looks more professional than their scribbled sheets.

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          • Up2snuff says:

            That was purely down to Bojo’s timing, I’m afraid, smoogie, and lack of awareness about the likely legal challenges.

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  15. theisland says:

    The full judgement for anyone who has the stomach for it

    Click to access uksc-2019-0192-judgment.pdf

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Theisland – excellent – I’ll read it …thanks – I read the Scots and English lower courts but I can guess how this one will go.

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  16. smoogie7 says:

    From another BBC newsletter, The Mirror:

    ‘The PM faced demands to resign after the UK’s highest court ruled unanimously that he acted unlawfully.

    A total of 11 justices said shutting down the Commons for five weeks before the Brexit deadline had an “extreme” effect on democracy.

    Declaring the prorogation of Parliament “unlawful, void and of no effect”, Supreme Court President Lady Hale declared: “Parliament has not been prorogued.”

    And she said the Commons and Lords speakers “can take immediate steps to enable each house to meet as soon as possible”.

    Commons Speaker John Bercow triggered urgent talks with party leaders within minutes, declaring: “The House of Commons must convene without delay”.’

    Extreme effect on democracy? I wonder if the public feel the same way towards a certain number of MPs and the speaker?

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    • G.W.F. says:

      I wondered whether one of the supreme court lackeys phoned Bercow before they made their ruling public? Or whether, Bercow had been given the result before the court actually sat?

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  17. The General says:

    So now the Remain Parliament votes for a second referendum where the questions are “Remain” or “Leave with a deal” . So ‘leave with no deal” will not be an option.

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  18. Beltane says:

    As we know to our cost the BBC doesn’t do irony, but they have now interviewed a succession of remainers – Ommuna, Soubry, Grieve, Cherry, Blackford, Lucas and a host of others including the delightful Ms Miller, all cock-a-hoop at what they see as the ultimate defence of ‘democracy’ .
    Only Richard Tice has been offered the chance to give an alternative view of an outcome which time alone will define as the most rigged vote in judicial history, and one that demeans the whole concept of the law and its status within our society.
    We live in shameful times.

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  19. rthornton says:

    I hope that the judges realise that they have just put themselves collectively on trial – in front of the British people.

    It will have no immediate effect but I wonder if they realise that, in the longer term, their positions will never be quite the same again. They will be viewed as politicians and will have to get used to the opprobrium that politicians attract. The deference they have come to expect in the courtroom will disappear.

    Most politicians are very thick skinned. Are the judges up to it?

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    • Demon says:

      I now believe that we must vote for all our judges and they must declare which political party they represent. They cannot be allowed to stand as independent as that would be dishonest on their part. We cannot have dishonest judges so they must be forced to stand down and be elected by the population. So must police chiefs.

      I never thought I would agree with that but as the judges have become our government they must be elected.

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  20. Beltane says:

    Bercow about to be interviewed. I’m prepared to bet a large sum that our Speaker will review his decision to step down on October 31……

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  21. Demon says:

    I’ve just put the following into a family thread on Whatsapp which includes a remoaniac sister.

    “Today is the day Democracy died in this country. The remoaniacs have been attacking it since the People voted in 2016. The elected government is not allowed to govern. The unelected judges rule this colony doing the bidding of the unelected EU Commission in Brussels. Our EU masters have spoken and the unfit for purpose judges jumped. All hail 1984.”

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  22. Jeff says:

    There’s been a lot of screaming for Boris to resign.
    Some bint from that Welsh party, Clyd Cwmry…or whatever they’re called. Another tart from the deeply anti English SNP and of course Comrade Compo, Mr fence sitter extraordinaire, has got in on the act.
    There’s one very clear way to force a Prime Minister’s resignation; an election. We go to the country, forget about all the blather and let the people decide. As Mrs May might say, simples…
    However, whilst they’re all clamouring for Johnson to resign, none of ’em want a general election.
    Funny that…

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    • smoogie7 says:

      The cowards the lot of them.

      I am arguing with a few lefties on Facebook (some of them rather shockingly are leave voters who still support Labour) and they are jumping around for joy demanding that Johnson quits.

      I then mention a GE and they mention how it would be on Johnson’s terms after October the 31st which won’t work for them.

      Indeed they want to play the easy game but when you suggest a GE they get cold feet straight away

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    • Not Gwent says:

      “…they’re all clamouring for Johnson to resign, none of ’em want a general election…”

      Pure farce. Parliament turned on its head.

      None of them want a GE because they are in charge thanks to Cameron’s FTP Bill.

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  23. Fedup2 says:

    Wow – Bercow is bringing their parliament back for Wednesday – I suppose they’ll be building the gallows for Bojo overnight tonight . T.May will be cackling away doing the knitting … get the picture – with McDonnell cheerfully pulling the lever …
    What a great movie film this will turn out to be .

    Despair

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  24. upandatem says:

    “The effect on the fundamentals of our democracy was extreme.” Lady Hale, spokesperson for the Supreme Court, has decreed. So, the act of a prime minister, desperately trying to deliver the result of the largest democratic vote in our history, has been declared illegal and, by default, undemocratic. Just when you needed the clear voice of reason, in the madness which Brexit has become, the judiciary has decided to align itself with the forces which are against the people. Only harm will come from this poor decision. But whatever the course of events is, over the next few days, the rats that sit in parliament will, eventually, have to face the people in a General Election.

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    • smoogie7 says:

      The next GE is not due until 2022. They have two and a half years to try and turn it around for themselves while extending Brexit every few months.

      This time in 5 years and hopefully much sooner things will be very different and a few current MPs will be taking orders at McDonald’s

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    • JimS says:

      I am awaiting ‘The Fixed Parliament Act’. A quick bill, passed in three days and they all become life members!

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    • Payne by name says:

      “The effect on the fundamentals of our democracy was extreme”

      What lunacy. Extending the time that Parliament was ‘closed’ for a few extra days after conference season is now classed as ‘extreme’.

      What was the valid reason for Major’s prorogation then?

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  25. JimS says:

    I expect Gina Miller will be getting the ECJ to rule that Brexit is illegal under any circumstances!

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    • smoogie7 says:

      Well if we get No Deal just wait for it. There will be dozens of court cases.

      Brexit is not over even if we leave. This will go on for years until everyone who cares enough to try and stop it does out

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  26. Demon says:

    This devastating attack on democracy is making me internally scream. I’ve got bad things going on for me at the moment and this travesty is not helping.

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    • smoogie7 says:

      Yes same with me. I just want a bit of piece and quiet and be able to get home from work without wondering what nasty stunt they have pulled on us this week

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    • Halifax says:

      Demon
      Hope things get better on a personal level.
      The left are only stalling on their demise the labour party is finished. We cant set the record straight until 2022 unless there is an election so at the most we have 25 moths to wait………… Revenge is a dish best served cold.

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      • smoogie7 says:

        I don’t see Corbyn’s popularity going up by 2022. He will be over 70 by then and would have resulted in dozens of some of his better MPs quitting by that point.

        Labour are on their knees but no mercy shall be given

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  27. Demon says:

    If Corbyn, Harperson, Swinson etc. become acting PM then every time they call for a Queen’s Speech (which brings automatic prorogation) then they should be prosecuted. After all these “Judges” have now set a precedent; i.e. “Prorogation is illegal”.

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    • Not Gwent says:

      “Prorogation is illegal”

      Until a judge says otherwise.

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    • The General says:

      Don’t think so. They are saying that using prorogation to prevent Parliament properly debating the Government’s actions is unlawful.

      This of course would not be unlawful under a Labour Government.

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  28. Dover Sentry says:

    Brexit is still on track.

    The judiciary have exposed themselves to be yet another swamp.

    There are many options open to Boris.

    Phyric victory for the Remaniacs.

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    • Halifax says:

      I had to look it up……admit you dont know what it means……
      A Pyrrhic victory (/ˈpɪrɪk/ PIRR-ik) is a victory that inflicts such a devastating toll on the victor that it is tantamount to defeat. Someone who wins a Pyrrhic victory has also taken a heavy toll that negates any true sense of achievement or damages long-term progress

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      • Dover Sentry says:

        That’s what I said 🙁

        The victor being the Remainiacs.

        Why should I admit that I don’t know what it means?

        You don’t know what it means.

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        • chancygardner says:

          This reads rather funny if you mind me saying. Perhaps Halifax was musing about a self-administered policy of ‘admit you don’t know what it means’. That’s how I read it anyway.

          By the way, I didn’t know what it meant….but now I do.

          Always tell the truth, that way you can’t get caught out…he mused.

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        • Halifax says:

          Dover. My comment was addressed to other readers of your post no offence meant…..soz

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      • Demon says:

        I think Dover used it correctly, he thinks the victory for the Swamp will be ultimately devastaing for them.

        I don’t agree with his optimism as I think Brexit is almost certainly lost now and Democracy has been killed by these Swamp creature Judges etc. I am a committed pessimist so I may be proved wrong, oh I hope I am.

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    • smoogie7 says:

      Well I saw someone say that Brexit was dead. If it is then I expect the BBC to be all over it. No BBC news report yet so Brexit is still on.

      Lets see what Boris does next.

      One thing is though, he is not taking things lightly and is miles ahead of what Theresa May was doing at the time. He is yet to go to the EU asking for an extension and is still fighting. This is real resilience and my opinion of him keeps going up

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    • Swelter says:

      Mrs Swelter, who is a solicitor prophesised this outcome .She has been telling me for a few years that the Law Society and the law in general have fallen to the Left. The days of Port encrusted right wing judges are long gone .They have been replaced by Perrier sipping Rght on vapid Lefties.

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      • Banania says:

        Mahyar Tousi manages to stay optimistic. He doesn’t think this judgement will make much difference, and thay we shall come out cleanly on the 31 October. (He and Jeff Taylor are such good value as commentators on all of this.)

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      • Banania says:

        Mahyar Tousi manages to stay optimistic. He doesn’t think this judgement will make much difference, and thay we shall come out cleanly on the 31 October. (He and Jeff Taylor are such good value as commentators on all of this.)

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      • Banania says:

        Mahyar Tousi manages to stay optimistic. He doesn’t think this judgement will make much difference, and thay we shall come out cleanly on the 31 October. (He and Jeff Taylor are such good value as commentators on all of this.)

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  29. BRISSLES says:

    The unelected Gina Miller decides what happens in this country. End of.
    Plenty of talking heads wanting Johnson’s head on a platter, but surely his legal team must be culpable for the advice given. Its not as though he woke up one morning and decided to prorogue Parliament, so his advisors must also be held to account.

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    • Fedup2 says:

      His legal team is a favourite – the AG – the same AG who ran the political prosecution against TR .JRM might be on the naughty step as well . And comrade Bercow just loves him. …. now what did I do with the butterkist ✌️?

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      • vesnadog says:

        The same AG who grieve ran rings round (hard to say that)

        Knew his advice was a bit iffy.

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  30. BRISSLES says:

    I cant bear to watch the news anymore today. So, back to Talking Pictures.

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    • Swelter says:

      Same here Brissels except I’m of for a pint or two . Errrrr make that three or possibly four..

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    • cromwell says:

      Surly the torys are allowed to have a conference as the other parties due to have theirs are. Can you imagine the SNPs cancelling theirs without a massive sulk. Perhaps they should have thought of that.j

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    • Demon says:

      Brissles, exactly the same for me. I can’t bear the smug look of the presenters and their Remainac friends/guests.

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  31. Yasser Dasmibehbi says:

    Oh Britain! Where is the new Cromwell?

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  32. digg says:

    So yet again Gina Miller has led the UK elite by the nose to another step in dismantling British democracy. The Global Plan at work and a travesty which should both sicken and energise all patriotic citizens of this Country!

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    • vesnadog says:

      d,

      I’m both sick and energised.

      The war was won by leave voters.

      Pity it will end up being a vary hard battle afore we get over the line. Expect these same traitors to be alongside us attempting to trip us up at every turn.

      Boris don’t give in to these enemies of the state. The victory will be so much sweeter.

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  33. smoogie7 says:

    So my question now is what action can Johnson take to get out of the extension? He is keeping quiet about this for obvious reasons but could he not just veto the extension himself?

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  34. Swelter says:

    Well they were talking about coups a couple of weeks ago . we have one now. The judiciary should not be meddling in politics.

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    • Not Gwent says:

      The judiciary now decides.

      We have a zombie government with the opposition in the majority and no General Election.

      As Johnson is PM ‘in name only’ he has nothing to resign for. All hail Corbyn.

      Except that Labour want to leave the EU?

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      • vesnadog says:

        N,

        “The judiciary now decides”

        I suppose they will do now regarding when we go to war or not?

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  35. Hereward Wake says:

    Wish I could have skived off school, got a free trip across the Atlantic, wined and dined and treated like a Hollywood superstar, and have everybody hang on my every word, no matter how ill informed or moronic. Every teenager’s dream. If I’d just bunked off for an afternoon, there would have been consequences.

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  36. Venutius says:

    So they all come back and begin their procedural and parliamentary games to obfuscate and delay what we have mandated them to do.

    Purge the whole legislature. They may sovereign in law but they are by no means representative. We need a quiet, British revolution to re-establish who and how we are represented; where and how power resides with an aim of devolving it away from the Westminster bubble.

    FPTP is their life-raft. The BBC their sustenance. Remove and replace. Accountability and reflective representation.

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  37. Not Gwent says:

    “FPTP is their life-raft. The BBC their sustenance.”

    The second bit is right though this lot won’t even face an election under FPTP.

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  38. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    I’m sick of being attacked by the remainers, Miller, that child with asparagus syndrome, all the tv channels with remoaner after remoaner coming on to gloat about the latest victory given to them by 11 remainers in fancy dress.

    When do we fight back.
    Why do we have to always take it lying down.
    Are we waiting until 31 October and if we are still in do the riots start on November 1st.
    I feel impotent.

    One thing they cannot change is that we voted to leave and they lost.

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    • smoogie7 says:

      As you said ‘One thing they cannot change is that we voted to leave and they lost.’

      That is what it is about. Winning and losing. They lost so want to win at something. They have not stopped Brexit. It is still there. They cannot see it or hear it but it is there and will never go away. Once we leave the EU we will never be taken back. Once we are out then we are out forever. They know this so are trying hard to stop that leave.

      All it takes is for one party to win a GE with a majority to take us out No Deal and it is game over for them. At the moment they are trying to damage Johnson to get him to do what they did to May by forcing an extension to weaken his image. It is not working as Johnson is not Theresa May and is playing a different game. They are finding him hard to fight as he just keeps on going.

      They have not won anything as there will be a day when we leave and they will realise that what was voted for in 2016 was meant to happen all along

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    • cromwell says:

      EMANUEL… Cannot agree more with you, spot on. It honestly feels we leavers are like hunted animals being pursued by the powers that be wherever they come from in this country or overseas with their bottomless wallet,. Never in all my life would I have thought we would come to this, very depressing indeed. Just heard Boris say we will still be leaving the EU on 31st October. How can he when he is being harrassed and stopped at every avenue he goes down. I try to be optimistic and trust him but I feel the powers that be will not stop until they have smashed the whole thing.

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      • smoogie7 says:

        At least Boris is not showing sign of any weakness. You did not get that with May. She bowed to the remainers with the extension but Johnson is so far sticking up two fingers. Hopefully he still gets a boost in the polls which will be another two fingers to them. They just cannot understand how he is popular!

        Also just a note I accidentally hit the report comment button by mistake rather than hit reply. Nothing wrong with your comment at all, just me feeling shaken after the days events lol

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  39. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    Now that the ‘supreme court’ has more or less declared that the queen is a daft old biddy who doesn’t understand what’s going on and is easily manipulated by the sinister, evil, prince of darkness Boris who is trying to enact the democratic vote, maybe we need someone who knows her own mind instead of Liz.
    How about Queen Gina or Queen Greta.
    Those would be popular with the woke lefties ruling us.

    What was that quote again, “those who make peaceful revolution impossible ……”
    It’s coming.

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  40. smoogie7 says:

    Well Parliament is back tomorrow so Labour’s conference ends early. Good for them as the public are now distracted from their rather shocking week.

    Meanwhile I guess that the Tory conference is off with no chance of anyone to shine?

    Suspicious…

       24 likes

    • cromwell says:

      Surly the tories are allowed to have a conference as the other parties due to have theirs are. Can you imagine the SNPs cancelling theirs without a massive sulk. Perhaps they should have thought of that.

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      • Fedup2 says:

        Away from Brexit and more directly relating to the state broadcaster – Mark Thompson former. Head of that outfit – who went to the states under a cloud – is now calling on the state broadcaster to be projected from loss of ‘ cultural sovereignty ‘ because American outfits are making programmes .

        The bit in the Guardian where this is reported left out the bit that the Americans are making good clever stuff whereas the state broadcaster just wants to make programmes where white is bad and non white is good . Wimmin good .blokes bad . ( I’m guessing that because I don’t watch their crap any more ) .

        As many people are writing on this blog using the term – so shall I….

        “funny that “

        And

        “ I wonder why” .

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      • Demon says:

        They did think of that. That’s why they chose this date. Enough for Comrade Corbyn to shout at the cameras but stopping people hearing the Conservative message. I’m not suspicious, I believe it is all deliberate.

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  41. StewGreen says:

    Canadian Police did there job of protecting criminals
    Last year after a farmer fired a couple of warning shots over two bandits raiding vehicles on his farm
    …the police turned up after a few hours and led him away in handcuffs.
    The courts tho let him off and jailed the bandits
    Now one of the bandits it suing for $100K cos his arm was graized by a ricocheting bullet.

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  42. vlad says:

    How touching to see the Duchess of Wokeshire twerking her booty like a copper in Notting Hill, and extending her sympathy to da sistas in the townships.

    I eagerly await her, and the beeb, to highlight the virtual ethnic cleansing of white farmers.

    A century after independence and nearly 3 decades after the end of apartheid, SA goes from bad to worse.

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  43. Payne by name says:

    The world or rather the Western world is going mad.

    We have a democratic mandate/instruction given in the biggest election for years being ridiculed, besmirched, stalled, ignored and now almost at the point of being overturned.

    We have a one sided media that is totally out of control in its biased reporting leaving many to run to the internet or social media to find any semblance of rational, logical discussion. And this final refuge is now under threat.

    We have intersectionality and multi-culturalism literally hollowing out the very core of our culture and demanding that we discard and tear down the very things that link us all together to magnify the very things that stand us apart – and then question why we are becoming divided.

    We have a duly elected president in the US who despite doing great work with his economy, unemployment, world standing and how (like it or not) he actually says what he thinks being discredited and tarred with ever increasingly unfounded, untrue and ridiculous accusations.

    And then we have a pre-programmed, clearly troubled Stepford child wheeled out at the UN to tremble over a nauseating script put together by the most deceitful and exploitative bunch of adults, ready to lecture everyone on the danger of doing the very naughty things that they have absolutely no intention of giving up themselves.

    When your democracy is taken from you, when the media pushes its own sneering and condescending propaganda, when children are exploited for open borders or climate Marxism and the constraints of common sense and sanity are thrown into the trash along with representation and fairness, is it any wonder that people like myself become so disgusted and enraged with the snivelling snakes in our establishment, that we’d happily see it all burn?

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  44. pugnazious says:

    Looking at the Supreme Court’s decision it looks to be an extraordinarily weak judgement based upon a very thin justification seemingly conjured almost out of thin air using very unlikely previous cases from centuries ago as precedent…such as the King v’s Parliament which the Supreme Court claims gives it the right to place limits upon a Prime Minister’s prerogative powers…never mind this was the King not a PM and in the 1600’s…and Parliament went on to chop off his head….so I fail to see the relevance. The Supreme Court states contradictorily that today’s case was unprecedented…‘It arises in circumstances which have never arisen before and are unlikely ever to arise again. It is a “one off”.’…and yet uses past law to base its judgement upon.

    The court decided firstly on that basis that it did have the power to judge the Executive on political matters and then went on to declare this as it’s reasoning for the final judgement….

    ‘It is impossible for us to conclude, on the evidence which has been put before us, that there was any reason -let alone a good reason -to advise Her Majesty to prorogue Parliament for five weeks, from 9th or 12th September until 14th October. We cannot speculate, in the absence of further evidence, upon what such reasons might have been. It follows that the decision was unlawful.’

    So the court has no idea at all why Parliament could be suspended for so long, there being no evidence, and thus the prorogation was unlawful. Hmmm….In other words the Judges basically made up the law to suit themselves….no evidence that the prorogation was for political reasons, no evidence it was to prevent Parliament opposing the Government…and yet the court decides this was the reason. This seems like a very dangerous decision based upon subjective reasoning of Judges who have twisted and contorted the law and their justifications to get the outcome they desired.

    Thi perhaps is the key part of the judgement jusitifying their intervention and the decision…

    ‘A decision to prorogue Parliament will be unlawful if the prorogation has the effect of frustrating or preventing, without reasonable justification, the ability of Parliament to carry out its constitutional functions as a legislature and as the body responsible for the supervision of the executive. In such a situation, the court will intervene if the effectis sufficiently serious to justify such an exceptional course.’

    But did Boris have reasonable justification? And who is really to judge that? And do they really have the power to interfere in a political decision?

    Here is that ‘non-existent evidence’ that the government made the decision in order to ensure the progress of government business and not Brexit…the court itself tells us this and yet ignores it…note they have no idea what the Queen was advised ….so nothing to base their negative judgement on there…and also note the memorandum nowhere states that the prorogation is to stop Parliament blocking Brexit…it says quite clearly that the prorogation is to clear the decks for the next Parliamentary session and that there will in fact be three weeks for Parliament to discuss Brexit….and only 4 or 5 days that Parliament actually doesn’t sit due to the Party convention recess….it carefully explains why the dates were chosen…er…those ‘reasons’ that the court says don’t exist.

    ‘ We do not know what the Queen was told and cannot draw any conclusions about it.

    16. We do know the contents of three documents leading up to that advice, annexed to a witness statement from Jonathan Jones, Treasury Solicitor and Head of the Government Legal Department.

    The first document is a Memorandum dated 15thAugust 2019 from Nikki da Costa, Director of Legislative Affairs in the Prime Minister’s Office, to the Prime Minister and copied to seven other people, including Sir Mark Sedwill, Cabinet Secretary, and Dominic Cummings, Special Adviser. The key points made in the Memorandum are:

    • This had been the longest session since records began. Because of this, they were at the very end of the legislative programme of the previous administration. Commons and Lords business managers were asking for new Bills to ensure that Parliament was using its time gainfully. But if new Bills were introduced, the session would have to continue for another four to six months, or the Bills would fall at the end of the session.
    •Choosing when to end the session -ie prorogue-was a balance between “wash up” -completing the Bills which were close to Royal Assent -and “not wasting time that could be used for new measures in a fresh session”. There were very few Bills suitable for “wash-up”, so this pointed to bringing the session to a close in September. Asking for prorogation to commence within the period 9th to 12th September was recommended.
    •To start the new session with a Queen’s Speech would be achievable in the week beginning 14thOctober but any earlier “is extremely pressured”.
    •Politically, it was essential that Parliament was sitting before and after the EU Council meeting (which is scheduled for 17th-18thOctober). If the Queen’s Speech were on 14thOctober, the usual six-day debate would culminate in key votes on 21stand 22ndOctober. Parliament would have the opportunity to debate the Government’s overall approach to Brexit in the run up to the EU Council and then vote on it once the outcome of the Council was known.
    •It must be recognised that “prorogation, on its own and separate of a Queen’s Speech, has been portrayed as a potential tool to prevent MPs intervening prior to the UK’s departure from the EU on 31st October”. The dates proposed sought to provide reassurance by ensuring that Parliament would sit for three weeks before exit and that a maximum of seven days were lost apart from the time usually set aside for the conference recess.
    •The usual length of a prorogation was under ten days, though there had been longer ones. The present proposal would mean that Parliament stood prorogued for up to 34 calendar days but, given the conference recess, the number of sitting days lost would be far less than that.
    • The Prime Minister ticked “Yes” to the recommendation that his PPS approach the Palace with a request for prorogation to begin within the period Monday 9thSeptember to Thursday 12th September and for a Queen’s Speech on Monday 14thOctober.

    Very, very clear reasoning as to why the dates were chosen. The Supreme Court chose to ignore that…and yet those reasons [or rather the lack of as the court claims] were the whole basis for their judgement that prorogation was unlawful.

    That judgement is extremely suspect.

    The court claims…

    ‘We are not concerned with the Prime Minister’s motive in doing what he did. We are concerned with whether there was a reason for him to do it.

    It will be apparent from the documents quoted earlier that no reason was given for closing down Parliament for five weeks.’

    …and now says it has judged there was no reason and yet the ‘evidence” in the memo above clearly indicates the reason…the court has in essence decided to ignore that and declare Boris a liar …how can they claim not to judge his motivation [that would be subjective] and then say they can judge his reasons…aren’t they the same thing?

    The Supreme Court has fabricated and engineered a judgement to suit itself and the Remain side.

    The Empire, Swamp, Dark forces, Establishment, strike back.

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    • Emmanuel Goldstein says:

      Pug.
      Would 4 weeks proroguing have been legal.
      Would 3?
      2?

      Maybe these 11 remainers in fancy dress could tell Boris how long they will allow him to prorogue for.

      In future will every pm have to get permission from the courts to allow them to prorogue or is it only this one instance.
      Can I stop a pm from proroguing Parliament if I feel like it just as miller has done or is it, as it looks to normal people, only remainers who can do this.

      The tv media is giving the impression that it’s a procedure and by having remainer after remainer coming on you would think it’s no big deal but I believe the pressure is building up amongst the normal population and could explode at any time.
      The backlash is getting ever nearer.

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    • The General says:

      During the case I wondered why more than one of the Judges asked Council for Boris if he would accept and comply with the verdict of the Court if their decision went against him. It seemed to me a strange thing to ask at an early stage in the trial.
      Now I think I know why. ….Impartial ….prejudgement ?????

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    • Roland Deschain says:

      I studied law, more years ago than I care to remember. Although I’ve now forgotten most of it, one thing I recall clearly is the ability of m’learned friends to argue black is white at great length. Much is made of precedent, but it’s meaningless. It’s a fig leaf disguising the fact that they can use that ability to dress up whatever result they want.

      It has always been thus, of course, but is another piece of fakery stripped bare by the Brexit vote. We are seeing exactly how the State operates and it isn’t pretty. But once seen it cannot be unseen and regardless of what happens with Brexit things will never be the same. The respect for institutions is lost.

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    • The General says:

      Excellent PUG.

      “A decision to prorogue Parliament will be unlawful if the prorogation has the effect of frustrating or preventing, without reasonable justification, the ability of Parliament to carry out its constitutional functions as a legislature and as the body responsible for the supervision of the executive.”

      Surely it should be argued that the “reasonable justification” was that the Government was attempting to carry out its constitutional function by preventing Parliament from continuously frustrating and impeding the elected Government in its obligation to respect the will of the people as expressed in the referendum of 2016.

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  45. StewGreen says:

    Canada Green Party
    sent out an image of a politician, which the press used
    It showed a headshot down to her hand at chest height
    They then sent out a fuller image showing she had a recyclable cup and metal straw in her hand.
    People then said , why in the second image does the metal straw appear above her hand when It’s not visible in the first photo ?
    ‘We photoshopped in another cup’ said the Green Party
    https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/election-2019/green-party-used-photoshop-to-add-reusable-cup-and-metal-straw-to-photo-of-elizabeth-may

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  46. vlad says:

    O President Trump, we salute your courage, your strength, your indefatigability!

    Just when all the politicians in the world, and of course al-beeb, are prostrating themselves in abject adoration at the feet of Saint Greta of Garbo, what does the The Don do?

    Why, he mocks her hysterical bile-filled UN rant in a tweet: “She seems like a very happy young girl looking forward to a bright and wonderful future. So nice to see!”

    Touché Mr President.

    (The liberal press are having a fit of the vapours, naturally. Mocking Saint Greta? Why that’s blasphemy!!
    No doubt the beeb will get round to it, but they’re a bit slow as usual.)

       35 likes

    • pugnazious says:

      Vlad….totally bizarre that this 16 year old has their balls in a vice….guess that’s how they like it and are looking for an excuse to put into action extreme and ruinous green policies…it’s to save the children you know!

      I’m guessing she didn’t write that speech and was mentored and coached at length how to act it out. George Soros must be proud of his adopted daughter who is sticking to the script so admirably.

         30 likes

      • Jeff says:

        “…totally bizarre that this 16 year old has their balls in a vice…”
        I was going to come out with an unfortunate quip about some of the Labour shadow cabinet, but…
        Barry Gardiner could sue me and FU2 might kick me off this site,
        So, I’ll stay shtum…

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      • vlad says:

        When certain causes and their figureheads reach a certain degree of sentimental fame, they become sacred cows and acquire an aura of holy untouchability.

        To criticise or even demur from – in this case – Greta, becomes tantamount to child abuse. One of the comments to Trump’s tweet predictably accuses him of despicably ‘mocking a child with Aspergers’.

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      • vesnadog says:

        “Soros must be proud of his adopted daughter”

        Both daughters – miller.

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    • theleftwilleatitself says:

      That’s the first time I’ve seen that video of Regan from The Exorcist ⬆️.
      I remember the saying when I was a youngster that children should be seen and not heard.
      These lefty liberal twats really have spawned a monster haven’t they!
      And nice to see the Supreme Court that the liar Blair created is doing him a favour in return ✌️

         15 likes

      • SPC says:

        I think you were right – children should be seen and not heard – I think it should now apply to many adults also. Some kids never grow up.
        Not a dig at you of course!

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  47. StewGreen says:

    Labour MP defects to LibDems

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  48. s.trubble says:

    RBC and Sky were well ready with that gaggle of Brexit Thieves right after the Supreme Court decision …..the sheer disbelief I felt that these judges could reach a unanimous verdict on such a matter beggars all belief………….. how else can this be justified other than a conscious decision by these people to extend their boundaries.

    There again pint sized bercow has led the way…..many saw it coming but it will be interesting what the Legal community at large makes of it.

    It is certainly not British…..no wonder President Trump fought so hard to get get the balance right in the selection of these people in the US Supreme Court..

       22 likes

    • Roland Deschain says:

      At least the Americans admit their judges are biased. Instead of the fiction maintained here that they are strictly impartial, when it’s clear they’re as unbiased as the BBC.

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    • Fedup2 says:

      S.
      Thanks for using the RBC – all my comments now refer to “ the state broadcaster “ which is a pain to type when RBC – remainer broadcasting Corpse
      Is easier

      By the way – do you notice there has been no project fear ‘ death in the streets ‘ stuff today – I suppose Soros is happy with what his tame law lords have done .

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      • Oaknash says:

        FE2 – Had to turn off the “World at One” despite trying really hard not to. RBC was nothing less than in a state of orgasmic excitement despite knowing like most of us here that todays “judgement” was utterly predictable – what Gina wants Gina gets! Probably with a little help from a certain special Hungarian friend.

        Boris said he would “respect” the “judgement” let us hope he will respect it in the same manner the remainer establishment “respected” our referendum instruction.

        I think now the “judgement” has been made (by a bunch of verbally incontinent, elitist democracy swindlers) they are all rather hoping that we all pack up and go away. One thing is for certain the phony war is now over and it is now time to get serious.

        At least no one with half a brain cannot now say they know what is going on . It has become the people VS the elitist establishment.

        I am so bloody angry I even pressed the like button to my own comment in frustration!!!!!!!!!

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  49. Dover Sentry says:

    A laughable tweet from the EU:

    “Guy Verhofstadt tweeted: “At least one big relief in the Brexit saga: the rule of law in the UK is alive & kicking. Parliaments should never be silenced in a real democracy.”

    “I never want to hear Boris Johnson or any other Brexiteer say again that the European Union is undemocratic.”

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit/9991997/boris-loses-supreme-court-showdown/

    Let the EU and Remainiacs stew!

    Brexit is coming down the tracks…..

    Drain the swamp! 🙂

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  50. thegooddoctor says:

    The levels of treachery in this country are now approaching civil war era proportions. When Par-liar-ment and the judges openly become an enemy of democracy, it feels like riots on the streets would be the most appropriate response and yet England seems not just to be asleep but in a coma.

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    • Roland Deschain says:

      It’s dispiriting, but Boris is still in place and it doesn’t look like they have the nerve to topple him. They know an election would likely follow as they are probably unable to unite sufficiently to take over an election. So all they can do is make his life awkward.

      Meanwhile this Supreme Court law grab has united Leavers who, if given the chance, will vote Boris back in. We need only bide our time and enjoy our dish very, very cold.

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      • Fedup2 says:

        When you think of it – we are witness to what has probably always gone on . Centres of power doing what they want .

        For the time being the internet is giving us that and even the MSM has to report a certain amount of events as they happen .

        When the traitors in various bits of the state decide they’ve had enough light they’ll find a way to close it , control it and go back to spoon feeding – us .

        Someone here wrote that judges use precedent to achieve the outcome they want . The court judgement is one of those .

        As I write tape recorders are being installed where the monarch and PM meet . Come to think of it – maybe a judge or speaker must be present to monitor the exchanges .

        When ever I have a dig here at the monarch I usually get the crown lovers popping back at me . But if ever there was a case for showing that there is no need for a real monarch this is it . The real – shadow one – is now the so called Supreme Court .

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        • rthornton says:

          “When ever I have a dig here at the monarch I usually get the crown lovers popping back at me .”

          How unfair.

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          • Fedup2 says:

            Rthornton kind of proves my point – no discussion of the other comments I made but straight onto ‘the firm’..

            This Is unfair but I feel on stronger ground about having a Republic now because we already have one .

            Royalists tend to use the ‘cant Answer back ‘line or ‘ works behind the scenes’ well whatever the queen is meant to do has worked so far as matters get more serious by the day .

            Wednesday could see the Republic passing into law just about any Remainer legislation you care to imagine – happily supported by a non reforming upper house without a single democratically elected member . There for life .

            But the difference with my version of a Republic would be a written constitution nicked from a common law country where it functions better than the unwritten mess we are suffering .

            I suppose the monarchy performs a kind of entertainment for people who like soap operas but other than that – purpose ? Stability ? Continuity – of what ?

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            • rthornton says:

              I think it probably has more to do with the sneering tone regularly adopted by Republicans more than anything else: “crown lovers”, and your last, very patronising paragraph.

              Most people grow out of the belief that being rude about our Head of State is edgy, brave, or even heroic. It isn’t, it’s just cheap.

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