Weekend Thread 14 December 2019

Back to business . The BBC charter isn’t currently due for renewal until January 2028 . So for those who see the BBC as a Far Left Biased Monster -reviewing the Charter system and funding to cut it down to size must start now . This got mentioned a bit in the General Election but must be maintained in the collective consciousness – particularly since it is too arrogant to change .

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424 Responses to Weekend Thread 14 December 2019

  1. The WestWyvern says:

    Like the tories…

    First. . ..?


  2. Nibor says:

    Cancel any direct debits , standing orders to the BBC . Don’t buy a licence .
    Write and tell both the BBC and TV Licensing .
    If they write back and
    say you will have a hard time proving you don’t watch live broadcasts , tell them you don’t have to . It’s up to them to prove you’re watching live broadcasts , not for you to prove your innocence . How do you prove a negative ?

    After a few of the threatograms , challenge them to take you to court . They will write a conciliatory letter , changing their Enforcement Officers into Enquiry Agents . But they would never dare take you to court .

    Bring them down before 2028 .


  3. Swelter says:

    Just because you are first WestWyvern doesn’t mean you are first. I want a peoples thread.


    • Dystopian says:

      I wanted to be first!
      I’ll scweam and scweam and scweam until I’m sick!


    • The WestWyvern says:

      Sorry Swelts, if Corbin can get battered and still hang on in there as leader then I’m doing the same.

      Anyhow it was the Russians.


  4. AndyDozefeet says:

    I try to steer clear of AlBeeb because of its blatant bias but confess that I was compelled to stick with it last night to pick up some tips on how to talk through gritted teeth.

    Marr and Naga looked totally shellshocked by it all but the best bit was watching that odious scouse commie tw*t McDonnell having to suck it up when Andrew Neill told him that he and his party were pretty much finished. The best night’s telly since the Referendum.

    It is often said that a country gets the government that it deserves – we haven’t had a government we deserve since Thatcher was ousted and only time will tell whether we got one last night. There have been plenty of good policy ideas circulated on here but the most appealing of them is the scrapping of the international aid target and properly dealing with our elderly social care issues. That would be a great start.

    Labour got exactly what they deserved last night – to be so out of touch with the people they profess to know and care about is just staggering and already the infighting has commenced with each wing turning on the other – pass the popcorn.

    I am proud that the British people have stood up in such numbers and taught the anti-democratic dark forces what I hope is a very painful lesson. It feels like a weight has been lifted from the shoulders of our nation – like a particularly unpleasant turd being flushed away. The likes of Femi, Jones, Soubry, Mason, Grieve etc. can now STFD and STFU. Our patriotism was spat at us and labelled as racism just so they could illustrate how “right on” they were. They were wrong and we were right and now they have 5 years to let it sink in.

    The MSM tried to nail Boris on his alleged lack of truthfulness. Now that so many in the shadow cabinet are finally admitting the truth about how they view Corbyn as a liability just hours after assuring the electorate, with perfectly straight faces, that he was the right man for the job and how they would be so proud to serve in his government. Hopefully they will get similar treatment to that dished out to Boris for their wanton dishonesty. I’m not holding my breath though.


    • Fred Stubber says:

      “It feels like a weight has been lifted from the shoulders of our nation – like a particularly unpleasant turd being flushed away. ”
      A remarkably unpleasant mixed metaphor if I dare say so. I suppose a zoo keeper in the elephant house might end up with a heavy turd on his shoulder, but otherwise?


  5. Dystopian says:

    I would just like to say a massive thank you to everyone on here for keeping the Faith. For helping to keep me sane in a mad world. For the comfort of knowing that I am not alone with my common sense outlook on the world. Special thanks to the people behind the scenes who keep this site going.
    We must not now become complacent but must carry on. We have won another major battle, but we have not won the war.
    The BBC’s bias will intensify in a last ditch attempt to derail the Brexit process.
    We must continue in our quest to identify, highlight and call out the bias and to enlighten others and awake them to the subliminal brainwashing they are subjecting themselves and their children to on a daily basis.
    We must try to release them from their involuntary hypnosis and set them free from their cosy prison.


  6. taffman says:

    Al Beeb will now turn its sights on Trump and promoting the SNP’s deluded push for a so called “Independence” referendum where
    the Scots want to surrender their sovereignty to the EU.


    • Fedup2 says:

      I’ve been dipping in and out of al beeb today and wonder if any of those ‘ go to ‘ dead politicians such as Blair , major , brown and heseltine during the day ?
      These people featured so heavily in the MSM to deter us from voting for BoJo that I thought they’d have something today other than ‘ sorry ‘ .

      So – any sightings?


      • JamesArthur says:

        They are all in their European holiday homes..crying into their champagne now they realise they are nobodies – I haven’t heard a single graceful admission of defeat from anyone today


    • Thoughtful says:

      I was posting here during the last Scottish referendum and you are very much mistaken.

      The BBC gets a lot of money out of Scottish unique funding and they are scared rigid about losing it. They made it crystal clear they were opposed to Scottish independence, but only to protect their own income stream.


  7. Jeff says:

    I’ve had a lovely afternoon enjoying a pre Christmas lunch with friends.
    I immediately fired up my ancient, steam powered computer, on getting in and a piece of tragic news popped up.
    Lily Allen, that well known left wing pain in the arse and (sometime) songstress has deleted her Twitter account… due to BoJo’s victory.
    She signed off telling her 23 followers that Britain is a deeply racist country…Oh dear.
    The poor old luvvies seem to be having another well rehearsed hissy fit.
    No doubt in the coming weeks we’ll hear from those intellectual giants Lineker, Hugh Grant and Lenny Henry informing us of our catastrophic error of judgment.
    We’ll be called bigots, halfwits and little Englanders…
    We’ve been called it all before (and worse) for the past three and a half years.
    Just smile, nod and move on…
    We won!


  8. pugnazious says:

    Amol Rajan having a case of sour grapes instead of a case of champers eh?…..


    ‘When the Conservative Party press account re-branded itself a fact-checking service early in the campaign – a dystopian tactic that was repeated last night – it is striking that it took to Twitter to, in effect, disseminate confusion.

    Sadly, it is a matter of fact in 2019 that the British party of government looks to Twitter to dupe people.’

    I’m sorry, in what way did the Tories try to dupe anyone and spread confusion by providing a fact checking service?…Remarkably he lies even as he calls the Tories liars….‘a dystopian tactic that was repeated last night ‘…..no, they did not repeat that tactic last night…all they did was tweet this…

    The Independent nearly tells the truth…certainly getting slightly closer to it than Rajan…

    ‘Tories revive fake ‘fact-checking’ brand to celebrate election victory’

    So not ‘last night’ nor during the vote but after the result was known.

    The BBC’s own fact checking ‘Reality Check’ is Orwellian in its conception….creating true lies and duping the voters by commission and omission. Calling itself ‘Reality Check’ is presumably satirical and ironic and as it is all too much like 1984’s Doublethink….

    ‘To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again, and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself—that was the ultimate subtlety: consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word—doublethink—involved the use of doublethink.

    The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them… To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just as long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies—all this is indispensably necessary.’

    And finally….Rajan pats himself on the back…

    The traditional media is good at going viral

    It is very interesting that many of the most viral clips on social media from the past few weeks were initially broadcast on traditional media. Andrew Neil’s monologue about Boris Johnson’s refusal to be interviewed by him, followed by an image of an empty chair, is one; Nicky Morgan’s difficult interview about nursing numbers on Good Morning Britain, which really took off on Facebook and has had close to 14 million views, is another. And then there was Mr Johnson’s interview with an ITV journalist who tried to show him that picture of a boy on a hospital floor.

    It may be that, for all the talk of linear decline, traditional broadcast media still carries an authority and weight that makes clips from news bulletins or studio programmes more likely to go viral.’

    Hmmmm….actually it was social media that sent the clips viral…but interesting what went viral…Rajan claims it was traditional news platforms with their mainstream values, qualities and professionalism….really? Let’s have a reality check right there.

    Look at what went viral….Andrew Neil’s highly partisan showbiz stunt that was most definitely not impartial news [even other journalists objected strongly to it], GMTV attacking the nurse numbers[as did the BBC]…a wilful refusal to accept that recruitng 50,000 means 50,000…it is purely ‘semantics’ and playing with the numbers as they and the BBC desperately try to engineer a ‘lie’ when none was intended, and of course ITV’s own stunt with the photo…a cheap bit of lazy ‘journalism’ designed to do exactly what it did…get sensational headlines rather than genuinely inform the viewer about the issues.

    Rajan also makes the claim….

    ‘We know that some of the attempts to spread disinformation, for instance around the picture of a four-year-old boy on the floor of a Leeds hospital, came from highly anonymised accounts that bear a discomforting resemblance to previous foreign operations that leant on bots.’

    Sorry, that’s just complete rubbish…even C4 has accepted that most retweets were genuine….and it was the photo that was ‘fake’….there was no need to put the boy on the floor, take a photo and send it to the Press….it was a political stunt exploiting the child….no nursing staff would let the boy stay on the floor…and certainly not for 4 hours as claimed.

    This is just a taste of what we can expect from the BBC in the coming weeks if not years as it tries to explain away the election result and claim it was stolen from Corbyn by mysterious and dark forces.

    Prepare to be bored, very, very bored by the BBC’s election archaeology…..coming to a screen and speaker near you..

    ‘There is still a vast amount we simply don’t know about how the election campaign played out digitally.

    This includes how much was spent by the main parties on targeted Facebook ads in the final few days; how much was spent advertising on other platforms; and whether foreign actors were behind any of the most controversial activity.

    Nevertheless, based on a huge amount of collective data and the combined efforts of journalists and analysts across many institutions, we can now make some firm conclusions, in addition to those made already by my excellent colleagues at BBC Trending. ‘


    • Dystopian says:

      “….. a dystopian tactic”

      Not me guv!


    • dfhunter says:

      had to look up “dystopia” to make sure I knew it’s meaning!!!
      “a society characterized by human misery, as squalor, oppression, disease, and overcrowding”

      wonder if Ragan has been reading this book – https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.7312/atch18890
      “Survive and Resist: The Definitive Guide to Dystopian Politics”

      from the limited online book intro –
      “Introduction(pp. 1-6)
      It’s no coincidence that two dystopian classics—George Orwell’s 1984 and Margaret Atwood’s The Handmaid’s Tale—shot to the top of best-seller lists in the wake of the 2016 pro-Brexit vote in the United Kingdom and the 2016 U.S. presidential election. Novels, like other art forms, can help people make sense of the world around them. In this case, it is political fiction helping readers parse the political world, with frightening futuristic visions serving to amplify, explain, or warn us about current trends. The government that controls Oceania in Orwell’s 1984 is a Stalinesque communist nightmare centered in what was…”

      naw, he can’t have read it, or he would have mentioned Labour.


  9. Doobster78 says:

    Business continues as usual at the Trump hating BBC !!!


    • john in cheshire says:

      Maybe they think it refers to the impeachment of Hitlery Clinton or Bathhouse Barry or little Adam Shit. Or gangster Pelosi or maybe the glove puppet Chucky Shiner?


    • The General says:

      There is no proof of any crime or actual malpractice. The so called proof is based purely on hearsay, speculation and hatred. Any court would not accept second hand statements and claims. The Senate will throw it out. As for the BBC they have obviously not been watching the proceedings or are so consumed with anti Republican hatred they fail to represent the facts………..but of course that is the usual process for them.
      I do not like Trump and he says stupid and embarrassing things, however he understand commerce and knows how to negotiate.


  10. pugnazious says:

    Is the BBC Biased? quotes a John Simpson Tweet…

    Hmmm…odd thing…Heard exactly the same thing said on R4 earlier in the day…maybe part of the BBC’s new editorial package to its journos on how to cope with the result….keep on slagging off Boris…and keep it up fo the next 5 years.

    Would love to see, and I think it would serve democracy well, to see the BBC’s editorial discussions and guidelines before the campaigns started for the election….downplay anything bad about Corbyn and relentlessly attack Boris and call him a liar I think might sum it up.

    I genuinely do think we should be able to see what lines the BBC tells its journalists to take….and they do have lines to take…it’s quite clear that certain narratives are across the whole BBC and have come from the centre. If the BBC is accountable and tranparent then we need to see those editorial guidelines and discussions. There is absolutely no genuine reason why they should not be published.

    Doing so, casting light on the BBC’s hidden corners of power and influence, will have a powerful effect in making them think twice before they try to coordinate their attack lines and spread disinformation across the network.

    We know it happens and how reluctant the BBC is to reveal how they try to manipulate the news…remember Harrabin bringing interested parties together to try and establish a party narrative on climate change and how the BBC fought desperately not to reveal who was at the meetings just as they fought to disparage the emails hacked from the climate scientists that revealed such embarrassing things…

    ‘In September 2001 Harrabin asked one of his main funders, the Tyndell Centre at the University of East Anglia, for steers on the forthcoming Rio summit:

    What should the BBC be doing this time in terms of news, current affairs, drama, documentaries, game shows, music etc? How can the BBC convey the theme of sustainable development to viewers and listeners who have probably seen all the issues raised before?’




  11. countryblues says:

    BBC News : Remain backing parties together received more votes than the leave backing parties in the GE. Therefore…

    …more people in the UK wish to remain in the EU 🙁


    • smoogie7 says:

      I have heard that already. It is a new excuse that will be pushed around for the next few weeks until we actually leave and then they will say that Johnson ‘removed us at our own will’ or something.

      New excuses will always be found but they are growing thin


  12. chancygardner says:

    I am in that really comfortable state of being half-cut (celebrating) and tired from lack of sleep last night. I am also now famous: my rear-side having been photographed by the BBC to show what counting agents look like standing in a hall, from the rear.

    And I can tell you. That really was my rear-side. There was no bias at all. Well done the BBC!

    The job was interesting, if a little lengthy, watching my allocated table counters count the votes, initially into piles of ten and then split into the various candidates and again back into piles of ten, paper-clipped together and wrapped with the colour of the party for ease of counting.

    There were 180 boxes that came in from the polling stations. I counted about 10% of the votes (informally) in eight of these boxes and deduced a Tory win of 10 to 15% over Labour. What was astonishing was the deluded conclusions of the Labour-appointed agents near me who I overheard predicting the opposite in favour of the Labour candidate.

    There was a certain ‘menace’ in the atmosphere within the room. Some people wouldn’t even talk to me! I’m assuming it was the Brexit rosette.

    I had a brief conversation with a Green Party agent who had the customary way of dropping her ‘t’s and sounding like she had been on pot all night.

    When the results came in, the Labour ‘supporters’ showed their true colours, blaming everyone but themselves, loudly honouring the candidate (who lost by 15% of the votes) and mocking the other candidates. The reminded me of some kind of modern ‘brown-coats’ and I was glad to see them leave the hall. They were the same foul-mouthed bunch I had heard earlier in the foyer, f’ing this and f’ing that.

    Anyway, in conclusion, I wouldn’t do it again even with the carrot of seeing the spoiled votes that varied from blank forms to passages entry from ‘War and Peace’. Quite funny actually.

    Tired but satisfied on the back of a bolstered stockmarket and two Gin and Tonics.


  13. Fedup2 says:

    Chancy – lovely piece – and duty done – thanks . There doesn’t seem to have been as much intimidation and fraud as might be expected from the comrade Corbyn mafia – or perhaps the anecdotes will start to come out in coming days . The McDonnell count sounded a bit – ‘tasty’….


  14. Dystopian says:

    BBC Look North reporter asking public what they thought of the vote. First person approached has pink hair. Guess what….she’s not happy with the result.


  15. countryblues says:

    Boris ‘not my PM’ protests have started?


  16. vlad says:

    “Andrew Marr’s interview with Boris Johnson attracts 12,000 complaints”.

    One juicy exchange:

    ‘The interview saw Marr and Mr Johnson frequently talking over each other, with the presenter saying: “You just keep going on and on and on – you’re chuntering.”

    The prime minister replied: “You’re interrupting if I may say so. I think people might be quite interested in my answers as well as your questions.” ‘

    Go get him Boris! You’re Master of the Universe now, Lord of all you survey. To the Tower with the traitors.



  17. theleftwilleatitself says:

    I remember posting on here about a month ago with maybe Taffman, not sure maybe someone else regarding how you could get o/u 203.5 seats for the Labour Party at the bookies.
    I bet the under with Hills and I followed it steadily for a month and even yesterday it had risen to 225.5 which obviously annoyed me.
    Jeez, I was made up when St. Ives didn’t go Labour today ???? ????


  18. Foscari says:

    For those of you who live outside the London Region I have
    and EXCLUSIVE for you. I just watched the Londonistan
    Programme presented by Liz Rateef AND LABOUR won
    the General Election. Well it seemed like that. The
    programme which is basically for the ethnic community
    in the capitol featured the fact that LABOUR won Putney
    from the Conservatives. Nearly everybody interviewed in
    the programme despised Boris Johnson . And from the
    way that Lateef says Toreeeeeeeeeeees you know that she
    is in agreement. However she is not alone. Fellow presenter
    Asad Ahmad is no different. But maybe I am not being fair
    to them. Because their editors, sub editors, researchers are
    either Trotskyist, Socialist Worker, or Anarchist.


    • Dystopian says:

      BBC Look North featured the new Labour MP for Sheffield Hallam, Olivia Blake. She looks a bit odd.


      • Dystopian says:

        No edit function
        But I was going to make the point that the Conservatives are in government yet the BBC choose to feature a Labour winner.


        • Fedup2 says:

          Dyst – I’ve made enquiries regarding the edit function and will let you know .

          Just watched a hugely entertaining “channel 4 news ‘ ( I don’t usually bother ) . Sadly no Jon snow but plenty of wonderful gloom amongst the guru Murphy – cathy newman et al … had a strong smell of gloom about it . Hopefully . Dumping C4 will be easier than taking on the BBC but will be a good start …


      • Up2snuff says:

        Dyst, she’s very young – under 30? Has a track record as a Councillor.


  19. Dystopian says:

    The Conservatives also took Wakefield for the first time in 87 years. Somehow to the BBC featuring the Labour winner was a bigger story.


  20. Third Duke says:

    Just in from work, tired, full of man-flu but magically elated to witness so many contradictory and frankly hilarious sound bytes from the usual Lefty c**kwhisks. Life affirming stuff I tell you! The vitriol and self-flagellation is compulsive media. The delightful Comrade O’Brien’s abject misery a complete delight an Masterclass in, ‘How to be Wright, oops, sorry, wrong on everything’


  21. Dystopian says:

    Incidentally, the successful Wakefield Conservative candidate is one Imran Nazir Ahmed Khan. How racist those Conservative voters are!


  22. john in cheshire says:

    There’s a report in the Daily Express of violent protests by the lefty losers.

    It occurs to me that there is more than a passing resemblance between the behaviour of the lefty losers during and since the election of President Trump and the election of Prime Minister Johnson.

    It would be normal behaviour for the losing side to go home, lick their wounds, regroup and reassess their objectives. But that hasn’t happened in the USA and I don’t think it will happen here. The commie thugs will continue a campaign of violence and intimidation on the streets and the brains guiding them will develop plans to obstruct Prime Minister Johnson and negate his endeavours at every opportunity.

    That’s what I think we have to look forward to for the next five years unless these wicked people are neutralised and contained in some way.


    • Up2snuff says:

      j-i-c, there’s an obvious problem that Bojo and his administration will face that Margaret Thatcher encountered for the first time: deliberate obstruction from officials and elected people at Local Authority level. It is potentially worse now with City Mayors in place in some major cities.

      Bojo wants to build 40 hospitals. That’s going to require land and dovetailing into the local infrastructure. I would not be surprised if ‘resistance’ is encountered and planning objections are raised. The Department for Health has, even recently, been most keen on closing hospitals and centralising services. Helps to raise more Fuel Duty for the Treasury! 😉

      As to the efforts of Labour supporters to protest and resist democracy, with a good, unbiased media – especially TV (hello BBC!) – shining a strong light on the activities of these people should be sufficient to make it not worthwhile to engage in such behaviours. In the USA, the Democratic Party had gone a long way to losing the 2020 race before the previous mid-terms. Similarly, the Labour Party could lose 2024 before we have left 2019 behind.


  23. Fedup2 says:

    I think he was on C4 news – looks pukker.


  24. vlad says:

    The achingly right-on Film Review can’t wait to tell us about The Sons of Denmark.

    Why the interest in a minor film in Arabic and Danish by an unknown director? Clue: our ‘Danish’ director is called Ulaa Salem.

    And the film’s narrative fits perfectly with Al-beeb’s own.

    It’s about a ‘populist politician’ supported by ‘a white supremacist nationalist group’ who are behind lots of islamophobic attacks in Copenhagen, as a result of which young muslims are being radicalised…’

    See? It’s racism and islamophobia that produces terrorism, not the quran’s violent verses and the imams’ hatred of the West.

    What the film and Kermode forget to mention is that there has indeed been terror and violence in Denmark, all of it BY muslims, including the vile murder of the film maker Theo Van Gogh for daring to speak out against the treatment of women in islam, and death threats against the heroic Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

    As usual, liberals turn reality inside out and upside down, confusing cause and effect in order to excuse the Religion Of Terror, and blame whitie – in this case one of the most liberal and tolerant societies on earth.



    • vlad says:

      PS. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Denmark

      (What happened to the Edit button?)


      • Fedup2 says:

        I’m trying to find out and fix ….


        • Rufus McDufus says:

          Should be working again now. The comment editing plugin updated to a new version, which had a flaw (it didn’t work). I rolled it back.


        • john in cheshire says:

          Could John McDonnell have confiscated it in a fit of pique?


        • taffman says:

          I am sure that all would agree with me in saying that you are doing a good but thankless job.
          Well done Fedup2 !
          Et tu Rufus McDufus.


        • Up2snuff says:

          Fed, I have an Op Ed piece that can be used as a header for a specific Thread (about Bojo & 1979 – yes, really) but it will be out of date after Monday. Are we still doing those sundry ‘conversation pieces’ or is it policy now to stick to just the general StW, MW and W-E Threads?


          • Fedup2 says:

            As far as I’m concerned there’s no policy. Post away eh ? I don’t want to run the show ….


            • Up2snuff says:

              Shall I mail it to you (via Contact Us) or post it here like I did with TT?


              • Fedup2 says:

                Please post away Up2 .


                • Up2snuff says:

                  Herewith, for Monday next.

                  by Up2snuff

                  When Bojo heads to his desk this morning I hope he has spent the weekend reading some history. Not the (recent) history of the General Election campaign just fought and won, covered in the weekend papers. Not Classical history, either, but about the first few months of a Conservative Government in 1979. Why?

                  He needs to avoid making the same major mistakes.

                  Margaret Thatcher leading the Conservative Party in a General Election for the first time had won a great victory. She was put into power by the votes she called for from ordinary working men and women. Not the wealthy, not those in the elite professions like lawyers, doctors, stockbrokers (remember them?), bankers, actors and pop stars but by the working classes and ‘ordinary’ people.

                  Mrs Thatcher appointed a lawyer, Geoffrey Howe, as her first Chancellor. She then took her eye off the ball. Geoffrey Howe in his first Budget delivered on an election promise to cut taxes. Not for ‘ordinary’ people though. The Higher Rates of Income Tax were cut. The country’s finances were in no state to permit this. It had to be paid for, so Howe increased the rate of VAT and some other indirect taxes, including Fuel Duty. This, in particular hit the very people that Margaret Thatcher had called on to put her into a position of power to lead the country – the ordinary working man and woman. Not only that, it created extra inflation, something that the Conservative campaign in 1979 had pledged to bring under control.

                  One pledge delivered. One pledge immediately broken.

                  Howe was gracious and honest enough to later admit his Budget had been wrong and that he did not really know what he was doing in economic terms. He had blindly followed his Party’s manifesto pledges, apart from that given on inflation.

                  The real responsibility lay with the First Lord of the Treasury who should have been asking the Housewife’s Questions “Geoffrey, are you sure we can afford all this?” and “What is the likely effect of each measure?” Disaster might then have been avoided.

                  Disaster did indeed follow but not immediately apart from voters who had voted Conservative – perhaps for the first time – feeling colossally betrayed. They then had to cope with the extra inflation on top of that which the previous Labour Government had caused and then tried to cure. The extra cost of travelling to their ordinary jobs was particularly hard for ordinary working people who had had Conservatives campaigning on the importance of work and making ones way in the world.

                  The UK’s finances were further weakened, almost to the point of recession, so that when world recession really did hit within a year or so, the effect was devastating on both the country and the Conservative Party. Support poured away, ordinary people felt betrayed by the Conservative Party and not for the first time either. Edward Heath and Anthony Barber had done similar damage with their ‘dash for growth’ starting in 1970.

                  As Sgt Phil Esterhaus would say at the end of Roll Call: “That’s it. Let’s roll. Hey, hey! Let’s be …. truly C A R E F U L … out there today.”

                  Boris, are you listening and paying attention?

                  Feel free to discuss, Biased BBCers, but please stay polite and on topic.


    • TrickCyclist says:

      Read one of Kermode’s books once – The Good, the Bad and the Multiplex – basically don’t bother. Lazy, opinion-based writing that’s no better than a discussion with your film-bore mate in the pub. The only things I can remember are he likes The Exorcist and Silent Running and chucks in a (clearly, deliberately controversial) view that he regards Zac Efron as a superior talent to Marlon Brando.
      Programmes like Film Review are a measure of the increasing irrelevance of the BBC – why would anybody want to hear the ever-so-PC reviews of the likes of Kermode or Jason Solomons when you’ve got YouTube?
      (I recommend the videos of liver-damaged Scotsman, The Critical Drinker but I won’t link any here because of the no-swearing rule!)


      • Up2snuff says:

        TC, I enjoyed Silent Running.

        Bruce Dern as a (slightly mad) scientist, in a bio-spaceship ‘lifeboat’, is that the one? Seem to recall during recuperation from a bout of serious illness, I saw that when it first came on TV. 1979?


        • TrickCyclist says:

          That’s the one, made in the early Seventies so it probably was on TV around 1979. Bruce Dern is indeed slightly mad in it, he kills his crewmates to save the world’s last remaining forest.


    • dfhunter says:

      Anybody read https://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/jul/02/agent-storm-al-qaeda-morten-storm-review
      anybody with eyes open & half a brain to read reports from even before 9/11 knows there is only 1 to deal with these nutters.


  25. Dystopian says:

    I wonder if the BBC’s new plugin has stopped working also. The one they use to edit out Brexiteers from QT and to edit history to include ethnic minorities.


  26. StewGreen says:

    Radio 3 agenda pushing


  27. Fedup2 says:

    I thought I’d watch Question Time for the first time in years . I can see how rigged the audience is . It’s as though there hasn’t been a General Election . I’m shocked ! Off switch after 12 minutes of listening to Kinnock minor lording it.


    • dfhunter says:

      Fed – his dad has done well – He left the House of Commons in 1995 to become a European Commissioner. He went on to become the Vice-President of the European Commission under Romano Prodi from 1999–2004.
      Kinnock minor has/is trying to follow the money


  28. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    Here’s a question.

    Much of London is held by labour and it is supposed to now be a minority white city.
    I don’t know how true this is.

    It’s also supposed to be home to a huge number of poor people.

    I hear the rents are extremely high, much higher than for the rest of us.
    How can these very poor people afford to live in London when normal poor people find it hard to manage on half the London rent.

    Do the people in Tower Hamlets, for example, get £thousands per month dole money (or their expensive rents paid by other taxpayers money direct debited to landlords)
    How can these poor people afford to live in such an expensive city.

    I must admit I’m enjoying watching the bbc as the realisation that they have lost the election is sinking in.

    * I’m adding this line using the click to edit function which has started working again on my ipad*


    • Fedup2 says:

      London is just a cess pit full of guest workers , third worlders and a lot of people on benefits . I’m sure there was plenty of identity fraud and postal fraud . Nothing will be done about it .

      Mine is now one of the few Conservative constituencies and that was a close run thing . There is plenty of white flight and those who speak English as their first language is – I think – a minority in a lot of boroughs …

      Glad to know the edit is working again …


      • dfhunter says:

        @Emmanuel Goldstein & Fedup2
        we are multi something now, so lets make a good stab at it.


  29. Sluff says:

    A truly astonishing QT on BBC 1.

    A massive Tory majority but you would never know it.
    An audience stacked with children and students. Predominantly white but each of the three First BAME contributors each played the race card. Plenty of Corbyn supporters, descriptions of the country as a version of Venezuela continually unchallenged, a mostly quiet audience but still with more enthusiastic applause for Labour positions.
    Grant Shapps gives a positive speech to silence, the SNP gets in a cheap shot at him and the audience cheer.

    Have I missed something in the last 24 hours?
    The biased BBC clearly have.


    • pugnazious says:

      Ah, well yes….actually Remain won….or so I was told this morning as if the Remain vote hadn’t been split they would have romped home….and of course Remain won the 2016 referendum as we know [True BBC Fact] because not only was the margin very small and insignificant but the Leave voters didn’t actually know what they were voting for[and they’re all uneducated, old and racist]…so their vote doesn’t count really…which is why we need a second referendum…a proper one this time. now we’re all fully informed of those ‘BBC Facts’.


  30. Charlie Farley says:

    Watching QT , bbc …specially selected audience full of anti Boris …no surprise there then ….so the result of the GE means nothing ……obviously we didn’t know what we were voting for


  31. StewGreen says:

    BBCRADIO4/MSM news output is like a pantomime
    There very much ONE real universe
    but the output of the media reflects a totally different fictitious universe
    I am staggered by the amount of people on this forum that actually watch R4Today, BBC Breakfast, Question Time. Peston, Marr and Jo on Daily Politics .. that output is just not the real world.

    eg the way they portrayed this election
    as if was neck and neck and that Corbyns giveaways and hospital floor boy would make a difference.

    Look how the election started
    The public had already voted in EU/local/GE/Referendum 6 times for Brexit.
    Boris stood up in parliament and said to Labour
    “Either vote for my bill or I’ll go for a GE, and you will lose cos your Labour voters voted Brexit and your Labour MPs betrayed them, so I’ll get it a majority and do Brexit that way”

    … and that it was happened the whole 6 week media circus has been a charade.


    • Up2snuff says:

      Stew: “that output is just not the real world.”

      That’s right. It is all so false. Or contrived. It makes me wonder, especially on a Saturday and Sunday, when I view the front pages of the papers, how the Hard Left, Left and soft LibbieLefties get all concerned about inequality, poverty, austerity, Global Warming, Climate Change and veganism and other -isms – especially when afforded a platform by the BBC – and then the headers and tasters on their newspapers’ front pages are all about recipes and weekend getaways and fashion (including jewellery!) and ‘Slebs’ and flying somewhere exotic.

      I can hear ‘the Donald’ in my head: “Don’t you believe it. That’s all so fake, everything is fake. I’m going to drain The Swamp.” And he’s a TV Sleb, he’s one of them!

      I have just realised that I’ve missed the start of the new Dead Ringers series on R4. Oh well, the repeat is on tomorrow.


  32. Beltane says:

    Earlier today I wondered if the balance of the QT panel might change, following the seismic effects of the election.
    The answer is unfolding as I write, not simply an unrepresentative panel but, as predictably usual, an absurdly unbalanced audience.
    Reality is simply suspended where the BBC and political decision making is concerned. The situation can only be described as shameful – but shame is not an emotion with any relevance where the metro-elite and our multicultural population are concerned.


  33. Thoughtful says:

    I just found out that Dennis Skinner the beast of Bolsover has lost his seat !

    Not heard that on the BBC ! Such a sweet news story !



    • Up2snuff says:

      Thoughtful, old Red Dennis or Dennis the Red Menace was, iirc, a keen Brexiteer or at least a EUrosceptic.

      I gather Frank Field has gone, too. He was the only one, along with Kate Hoey, who I could think of when pushed to name – on Nick Robinson’s Blog HYS – my political heroes after the 2010 GE. And I’m usually a Conservative voter! I just could not, at that time, drag any Tories to the front of my little grey cells. Feeble.


  34. Charlie Farley says:

    Only one in QT audience is pro Boris ……astounding
    BBC at its worst !


  35. Sluff says:

    QT update.
    Despite a 45% Tory popular vote.
    After 35 minutes of anti Tory rhetoric, Fiona Bruce wakes up and says in terms ‘ surely there must be someone in the audience who voted for/supported Boris, hands up’.

    No one raised their hands visibly on camera!!!!!!!!!!!
    A black guy was selected to speak. He didn’t vote for Boris!!!! But at least understood that Boris was the only leader backing Brexit. An Irish guy didn’t admit to voting Tory but thought Boris should be given a chance. That was the sum total of Tory support.

    The next QT editions are in Oxford (Labour) and Liverpool (Labour).

    Absolutely unbelievable.


    • vlad says:

      The BBC have managed to make people ashamed of voting Conservative, or at least of admitting it in a beeboid environment.


      • Up2snuff says:

        vlad, the ‘shy Tories’ that came out on the BBC HYSs yesterday were after all a good indication of the GE result. And they are back again today to enjoy the win. The Remainers, Remoaners and the Wee Hen are taking some stick in similar two to one proportions to yesterday.


    • Dystopian says:

      The BBC clearly don’t understand the old saying:
      When in hole stop digging.
      They are digging their own grave.


  36. Up2snuff says:

    I’ve just realised I’ve missed Any Questions on R4 but at least I’ve enjoyed reading everyone’s posts on here, including those about Question Time.

    I’m afraid we may be in for a spell of BBC, Labour Party, LibDem, SNP and leftylibbie media yelling Bojo = Trump and Trump = Bojo.


  37. taffman says:

    My synopsis at the end of today…………..
    Following the result of The Brexit Referendum in 2016, democracy was in peril.
    Last night democracy won!
    No thanks to the so-called impartial Al Beeb. It should have ‘British’ removed from its title.


    • Up2snuff says:

      taffman, I agree.

      I heard on R4 either Alastair Campbell or Grace Blakeley dismissing the turnout yesterday as “not as good as 2017.”. Not an hour ago, I read on BBC w-site that it was only 1.3% lower. 67% is not bad for a day with pretty foul weather across much of the UK.


  38. Nibor says:

    I’m going to buy the Guardian tomorrow to read Our Polly’s and Owen Jones analysis of the voters .
    And some champagne to celebrate Foghorn Sourface Soubry’ s defeat .


    • StewGreen says:

      Save your money log in with your local library card


    • Fedup2 says:

      Nibor – please don’t buy the Guardian – it only encourages them ….if I recall Soubry only got 6000 votes . I bet the BBC keep her turning up to play the victim of something or other .

      I’d like to see a full list of labour MPs who lost their seats . They can look fondly back at that magical night when they stopped parliament being prorogued along with their tame speaker – which has led to 5 years of a full Tory majority .


      • Up2snuff says:

        Fed, oh no! Have we got to do it again in winter?

        Who invented that Fixed Term Parliament Act?


        • Fedup2 says:

          Up2 – I looked up the fixed term parliament act – it was a creation of Nick Clegg and received barely any parliamentary scrutiny in either house .the effects of group think and lack of imagination about circumstances where a parliament becomes corrupted and can’t be got rid of .

          As for the scheduled election in 2024? Apparently it will be in May and not December – for some reason caused by the drafting of that awful act . I bet bojo doesn’t repeal it …


          • Up2snuff says:

            Fed, didn’t know that. Thanks. I felt fairly heroic walking to the Polling Station in the wind and rain although I deliberately avoided the worst of the weather yesterday. 75% turnout in my constituency.


            • BRISSLES says:

              Up2, were you asked outside the Polling Station which way you had voted ? Because I have never ever been asked, and neither has anyone I know , yet the Exit Polls appear to have had it spot on at 10pm last night what the result would be. Is there some magic formulae that works this out ??? Because isn’t it conceivable that people would lie to those asking the question ?


              • Deborah says:

                Master D was stopped outside his polling station in London at 8a.m. for the exit poll. He was only asked how he had voted, not his age (if they are bothered about his gender and colour, in his case it looks obvious). Given a card by IPSOS afterwards.


              • Up2snuff says:

                Brissles, on the way in, I heard others being asked that. It is meant to be a secret Ballot. Seem to recall in the past, the Party officials were only allowed to ask “Did you vote?”

                On my way out, there were such a crowd departing after doing their Civic Duty, that I dodged ‘the bullet’.

                I might have said something regrettable like “Mind your own business.” or rather better “Election Day? Goodness, gracious. What? Again? Should I have voted? Am I registered? Have I had my tea yet? Where are my slippers?”


                • Scroblene says:

                  We used to have some local nobs standing outside our polling station, asking to see our cards, as if they were important.

                  They don’t now, especially as Mrs O’Blene and I told them to urinate elsewhere…


  39. StewGreen says:

    Example of pantomime land
    Jo Swinson kept appearing on our TV as some kind of eco-warrior
    Yet Twitter says she flew 38 times this year Glasgow to London
    and Many tweets say that actually she is based in her third home in Bath
    \\ Jo Swinson, who spends £7,000 a year of public money on flights to fly to Glasgow
    to her constituency and then back to Bristol to her home in Bath.
    All because the Lib Dem leader chooses to live 500 miles away. //


    • Charlie Farley says:

      SNP have done her favour…..no more travelling at our expense then ! , not that I could bring myself to support wee krankie ,


  40. Sluff says:

    After QT we move onto HIGNFY, recorded after the result was known.
    On this impartial programme, the ‘comedian’ delivers a pro Labour polemic and gets a big round of applause from the impartial audience.

    Then we get the Boris ambushes, in a dairy and about the staged boy on the floor issue.
    Dear Jezza is of course treated with jovial reverence and jokes at his expense get a very cautious titter in rather hushed tones from the fully impartial audience.


    • Charlie Farley says:

      BBC have really sunk to the very lowest level ……going have stop watching any more of it …….are we in another universe?
      Night of the long knives ala Germany 1930s will sort it


  41. pugnazious says:

    Interesting no?

    After years of insisting Brexit and Trump’s election were the result of stolen data being used to manipulate people’s perceptions the BBC admits this turns out not to be true, …..and of course it was all a lie anyway…Cambridge Analytica had nothing to do with Brexit and a marginal role in the Trump campaign…and the satanic ‘micro-targeting’ doesn’t really work…..hmmm….as Dominic Cummings said when he was approached by Codswallop’s wylie little weaselly whistleblower who tried to sell his smoke and mirror’s trickery to Vote Leave and was told to shove it…Cummings saying he was a charlatan…hence the whinging and whining.

    From the BBC…

    Targeted ads aren’t everything
    ‘A certain mysticism has grown around the issue of targeted ads on Facebook, in part because of the Cambridge Analytica scandal and Benedict Cumberbatch’s portrayal of Dominic Cummings in a Channel 4 drama. It has become a burning issue, fuelled by the fact Facebook went significantly further than other platforms in improving the transparency of their political ads – though there is still a great deal that we don’t know – including who is ultimately funding them.

    Fascinating analysis by Who Targets Me shows – against expectations – the Conservatives actually spent significantly less than Labour or the Lib Dems on targeted ads on Facebook. This despite having probably raised more money overall.

    We can’t scientifically prove the effect ads have on persuading voters; but it is striking that the Lib Dems, who had a bad election, spent more than the Conservatives, who had a great one.’

    The day before the general election vote, when the BBC still believed, the BBC were gloating over the ‘success’ of Labour’s social media campaign…it getting massively more clicks than the Tories.

    And yet the Tories smashed Labour…and that’s, let’s not forget, with Labour getting the enormous and free promotion from the BBC.

    So not only did CA not have anything to do wth Brexit, Codswallop having to apologise again and again as she was proven to be lying, but what they claimed about social media and micro-targeting was pure and utter bull**it….Rajan’s admission, ‘We can’t scientifically prove the effect ads have on persuading voters’, says it all doesn’t it?
    They spent three years spinning a wholely false narrative based on pure wind and wishful thinking[like Trump and Russia]…and because they controlled the means of putting that narrative out there it became ‘reality’…helped along by useful idiot politicians who supported Remain, like Damian Collins, who produced one of the most dire, incoherent and partisan ‘reports’ on this subject that you could possibly conceive of. Complete bilge, tosh and, yes, codswallop.

    For 3 years the BBC has spread lies, misinformation and black propaganda to try and destroy Brexit.

    Maybe it is the BBC that should be ‘destroyed’.


    • Up2snuff says:

      pug, Nick Clegg admitted – slightly coyly – in an interview with The Humph on TOADY in the summer (not long before The Humph retired) that Facebook had checked, twice I think, and could find no interference in the 2016 EU Ref or 2017 GE from Russia or any other source.

      I did note, however, that Donald Tusk and Michel Barnier both interfered in our GE2019 via the Guardian or Independent or both this week and I do not recall one iota of protest from the Beeb in my hearing on R4.


    • Lucy Pevensey says:

      Pug, great post.
      I have for a long time nurtured a fantasy that a group of super-hackers knock out or jam the BBC signal. 🙂

      If only I had the skills!


  42. Dystopian says:

    “The Last Leg” on Channel 4 overtly lefty bias.
    They reckon they need a bigger “bullshit button” for the next 5 years.
    They have Rory Stewart and Anna Sourface Soubry on as guests shortly.
    What a lefty load of (better press that button!).

    Miriam margoyles? Scruffy old woman wearing black socks and shoes with an ill fitting dress has just called Boris a “f**cking b@stard on live TV!


    • StewGreen says:

      Miriam Margoyles ..was probably asserting that Boris is hatey

      She fits what I just wrote below ..an ugly sister who thinks she has beautiful honour


    • BRISSLES says:

      Bit rich for a woman who lives most of her time in Australia with her lady partner, and is prone to farting, belching and spouting expletive deletives when on camera. And being Jewish should not her ire be aimed at Corbyn ? or perhaps she didn’t get the memo.


      • Scroblene says:

        “prone to farting, belching and spouting expletive deletives”

        Sounds like your average protester then…

        Did I say Emily ‘Lumpy’ Thornbuggle…?

        Shurely not!


  43. StewGreen says:

    Last night’s Radio3 “thinking” prog also came from the pantomime universe
    The BBC guests were like the ugly sisters
    two feminists who come on and consider themselves noble
    ..they spit hate at Boris and Trump
    Yet they think they are talking about how hatey Boris and Trump are

    Ostensibly about the language used in general election politics, they rushed to say it’s them “Trump and Boris ” who are the bad guys
    ‘you see the LibDems did use a vulgar term “B@llocks to Brexit, but that was an attempt to reach the public by being earthy
    .. whereas look Trump he used “Lock Her up” and that is sinister’

    Fem1 “There’s been a lot of language of hatred .. Every party has told me to HATE somebody”
    ..Nope vast majority of HATE comes from libmob

    “most of the language has been MASCULINE ..we’ve seen Boris driving a digger” ..FFS driving is not language

    Boris said “Brexit is oven ready”.. never heard that

    “Boris was going to use the word onanism (shooting sperm), but he didn’t” ..so he didn’t use it

    Matthew Sweet : is the language getting simpler ?? like the 3 note slogans ..Trump said Lock Her Up ”
    American guest Fem2 “ah it will be lock HIM up” ..all snigger
    ..”ah that is about getting to emotion without thinking” ..doh that is what slogans are
    “Oh Obama did well with Yes We Can”

    Fem2 … “When Boris invokes masturbation (he didn’t actually) It scares me, It’s a Trump trick a very Steve Bannon thing , it’s a very alt-right thing, it’s a very schoolyard thing .. appealing to your base and be real matey real guys”
    … FFS a few minutes earlier she said “B@llocks to Brexit” isn’t very crass to me”
    These people think the ‘slipper of honour’ fits them ..when it so doesn’t.


    • TrickCyclist says:

      “most of the language has been MASCULINE ..” I suppose the language of defeat is feminine, then – I’ve just seen Swinson on the news bleating about what happens to you when you smash glass ceilings.
      Nah, it’s what happens to you when you appeal to democracy to overturn a democratic vote you didn’t like. Just desserts for a woman with more tits than brains.


  44. Nibor says:

    Jo Swinson ; bollocks to Brexit .
    Electorate ; bollocks to Jo Swinson .


  45. Dystopian says:

    Its astounding how these lefties (The Last Leg) are now slating and laughing at Corbyn, yet had he won, they would be idolising him tonight.


  46. Dystopian says:

    Well if vinegar tits is gonna hit the glass at speed, at least she is equipped with airbags.


  47. Dystopian says:

    Anna Sourbry and Rory Stewart on Channel 4 now trying to keep themselves relevant.
    Anna thinks it appalling that Boris has such a majority…

    Oops she’s messed up already. Tried to make a quip about Boris probably having a small manhood and Donald Trumps little hands, forgetting that one of the disabled presenters also has little hands! What an idiot.


  48. BRISSLES says:

    Anna Sourbry – a contestant next year for I’m A Celebrity, or Strictly ???? I imagine the producers of both shows are wetting themselves with excitement at the pick of potential ex-politicians who are now fair game and could do with a few thou in their pocket.


  49. StewGreen says:

    Antifa/police in London


    • StewGreen says:


    • StewGreen says:

      Paul Joseph Watson @PrisonPlanet
      Once again, only one side is refusing to accept how democracy works,
      .. therefore continuing to *create division*.


    • TrickCyclist says:

      I take it that that’s just a representative photo? They surely weren’t wearing those clothes in today’s weather?


  50. pugnazious says:

    Muslim whining on 5 live that Boris caused her to suffer islamophobic attacks…..Nihal says you can’t really blame Boris…but you can blame Brexit which unleashed racism across the country…the facts prove it….BBC ‘facts’ of course….er….‘the Home Office acknowledges that ‘increases in hate crime over the last five years have been mainly driven by improvements in crime recording by the police…It is also thought that growing awareness of hate crime is likely to have led to improved identification of such offences.’

    Might suggest mass murder of men, women and children ‘in the name of Islam’, mass rape, abuse and exploitation of young, white girls by Muslim men who call them white trash, attempts by the MCB, the ‘most representative Muslim group’ according to the BBC, to hijack British schools with its Trojan Horse plot, constant Muslim denigration of Britain, its culture and values and the refusal to integrate by so many who want to islamise Britain, not to mention anti-semitism running rife in their communities [so revealed by Mehdi Hasan who said it was their ‘dirty little secret’] might actually be the real reasons people have antipathy towards Muslims.

    ‘Labour party and pro-Remain politicians, such as London Mayor Sadiq Khan, heavily promoted the reporting of hate crime in the summer of 2016. Khan’s own office added to the proliferating number of reporting mechanisms by setting up a web page urging people to telephone or send an email about hate crimes ‘following the referendum result’. Meanwhile, police forces and local councils were busily engaging with ‘community forums’, encouraging group and community leaders to report hate incidents.

    For recording purposes, the perception of the victim, or any other person, is the defining factor in determining whether an incident is a hate incident, or in recognising the hostility element of a hate crime. The victim does not have to justify or provide evidence of their belief, and police officers or staff should not directly challenge this perception. Evidence of the hostility is not required for an incident or crime to be recorded as a hate crime or hate incident.’