The 75th Anniversary of the End of the War in Europe . We can be sure that the Far Left BBC will be rewriting British history to favour its propaganda war against its own people . Let the many of our people who had their lives taken in the cause of Freedom Rest in Peace . With Thanks . ????????
75th VE Day / Open Thread 8 May 2020
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Let’s me be generous to Rog; ignoring channel multiples, etc, 1/364th works out at less than a quid pa.
How long will it take for Al Beeb to put out a call for this guy to contact them?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8303051/Parkgoer-gives-Boris-Johnson-piece-mind-plans-Britain-work.html
And how long it will be thereafter for the guy, carrying a plastic water bottle which is surely as heinous as a recyclable coffee cup, to be outed as a Leftoid?
(Knew it was a mistake for BoJo to be filmed walking in a London park a few days ago…remember what happened to Lizbeth’s granny.)
Ok I’m frightened . Need to stop looking at Twitter . I’ve just read some lefty remainer wanting to re badge VE Day as ‘ Europe day ‘ because it was Europe that defeated Hitler .
This was no joke . And goes to show how good the schools / media are at educating the young and in that case – sub normal – or special needs or whatever the current euthanism is ….
For those who dont know the likes of Ireland Portugal Sweden and Spain were at the spear head of defeating the nazis ( or actually looking the other way or helping them out a bit )
Yes, the brave and united front the European nations put up against Nazi Germany was remarkable – if you discount the collaboration in France, Belgium, Holland, Denmark, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Rumania, Bulgaria, Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania.
Along with the Waffen SS divisions helping the German war effort from most of these countries. France had two. That totals between 10 and 15 thousand committed Nazi soldiers, fighting against the allies, per division from each and every occupied country, despite what the history books might tell.
We hear a lot about ‘the resistance’, not so much about the hired help.
Ah, yes, “les collabos” across the Channel. I recall an exhibition in France in the earlier 1980s where it was claimed that “… la France s’est liberee …” [freed herself] from the German occupation, with some help from allied forces – nice of them to acknowledge that! The scale of the resistance was smaller than claimed, too; which is not even a criticism since, if the Germans killed ten French people selected at random for every one German killed by the resistance, minor acts of rebellion were pointless.
Don’t go to the Caen War Museum, you’ll waste your time there too…
“Leclerc’s French 2nd Armored Division, which was created the year before for the purpose of liberating Paris, led the Allies toward the city. It encountered stiff German resistance outside the city on Aug. 24. Angered by their lack of progress, U.S. Gen. Omar Bradley ordered the U.S. 4th Infantry Division to join the fighting. “To hell with prestige,” he declared, according to Blumenson’s account. “Tell the 4th to slam on in and take the liberation.”“
Beltane – the other but left is the number of unemployed nazis who avoided prosecution and landed up shaping the Common Market under the Treaty of Rome …..
Leading of course to the evolution of the Reich to be called the EU – run out of Germany – with the complementary inability to criticise the Reich because one will be called – ironically – a fascist …
Beltane,
Found these images of Bosnian Muslim “Handschar” SS on a German militaria website, I assume they are authentic. The collar badges depict a hand holding a scimitar alongside the swastika.
They’re authentic right enough Tricky. The really fascinating thing would have been if the fanatically anti-muslim Croatian SS division had been faced with their Bosnian brothers.
Mind you, that’s just what happened back in the 90s.
Check out ‘Campaign in Russia’ by Leon Degrelle.Very hard to get hold of and i think banned in some EU countries. He was the leader of the Belgian Rexist party and of the Wallonian Brigade of the Waffen SS .
Apart from giving you as very different story as to the extent of collaboration it is an amazing yarn. His escape to Spain at the end of the war is , if true, straight out of Boy’s Own. Franco gave him refuge and always refuse to hand him over. Hitler thought a great deal of him as the model of the artist soldier and to the end Degrelle was unrepentant. The Viking Division to which the Wallonian Brigade was attached was one of the very best of the Waffen SS divisions and of course composed of volunteers from Scandinavia. Resistance? As a Pole once said to me. If you want to know about resistance look at Warsaw.
I would add that the Battle of Cherkassy Salient in which the Viking Division was prominent is a forgotten but key Eastern Front engagement .The Russians were amazed at the fighting spirit of the men. Remember these men were volunteers. So much for Europe winning the war against Hitler.
Dave – yes – the Russians stopping at the gates of Warsaw to allow the Germans to destroy it coupled with their refusal to allow the RAF to supply the resistance was very …… Russian …….
…. as for those non Germans who joined the waffan SS – it can be understood in the context of the time – and the anti communist propaganda they were hit with – BBC would be very familiar with that – after all – they can get people to stand in a street clapping every damned Thursday night ….
He has teams… embedded in… governments.
Be interesting how those who are there to hold power to account feel about that. Or maybe they just fine with it, so long as the ‘teams’ are theirs.
Who made him king?
Alastair Campbell ?
Soros puppet – he looks …. damned … and I think he knows it …..
Whoever made up that evil-eyed advert all those years ago, should be Knighted!
That evil, nasty, sneering glare is still there, much greyer, and more feeble, though luckily, out of power, out of mind, and out of the limelight!
Six questions for the BBC to investigate about this Tony Blair Institute (with acknowledgement to the late A N W Benn);
(1) By whom is it funded?
(2) What authority does it have?
(3) From whom did it get it?
(4) To whom is it accountable?
(5) In whose interest does it operate?
(6) How can we get rid of it?
GW,
And the money keeps flowing in…………………..
Little Richard is dead, the BBC will go into paroxysms of mourning.
Maybe one of the young weekend crew will send a helicopter?
WHAT! Circle around his house until the cops get there later on?
Guest! That is awful to suspect the BBC would ever do something like that!
Wash your mouth out with Gordons and tonic!
Will anyone be old enough at the BBC to know who he is ? or perhaps they think he’s a character from Little Britain.
Joey’s career of course soared from the BBC to… Buzzfeed.
BBC News
“In memory of Ahmaud, on what would have been his 26th birthday.”
People have been dedicating their workouts to Ahmaud Arbery, an unarmed black man who was shot and killed while out jogging.
https://bbc.in/2Wf2xuC
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So far most comments have erred on the saccharin to outright sycophantic nuts, so I have avoided pondering what new activity might get used to honour what in future.
The 75th anniversary of VE Day has left me feeling disconnected! I am of course fully on board with remembering all those who died and who fought for their country throughout both world Wars but not in the same way that I was on the 50th anniversary. I still feel proud of what my country did in the world wars but I no longer feel proud of modern Britain, infact I realise that I dont like much of what it has become, I feel disconnected from it. It is only the hope that somehow or other the mess that modern multyculty , liberal till you weep Britain can be sorted out and reversed , that stops me loathing the country I grew up in. Where I live the street is full of bunting but I know that many of those who are marking the anniversary feel that modern Britain is great and a vast improvement over the Britain of fifty or even twenty five years ago. I simply don’t agree , I think that we have regressed in far more ways than we have progressed and I fear for the future of younger people. I just don’t see how when there is a really prolonged crisis , and we might be in the very early stages of one now, the various cultural groups that make up the population of modern Britain , will form a cohesive whole and pull together, rather than fracture into rival cultural and religious groups each looking out for itself.
Too true DT, in fact there was a sad irony about Her Maj’s words yesterday when she told us how proud the WW2 heroes would be of the country they fought for.
No they wouldn’t. Most of those taken in their prime, without the experience of the slow and inexorable drip fed to them by governments and media for the past 70 years and more, would be horrified by the way the country they fought and died for looks and acts today.
They didn’t die to have their children told the Empire was shameful. They didn’t die to be told that sexuality was a matter of choice, and that challenging the concept was a punishable offence.
They didn’t die to see terrorists feted and glorified as heroes for freedom – they thought that was the label they had earned. They didn’t die to see a treasonous overpaid striker given free rein to undermine the will of the people. And they didn’t die to be force-fed distorted facts and biased propaganda day in day out. They thought their deaths were in part-payment of ending that.
My father flew with Bomber Command in his last few years of his life he told me that he wondered if it was all worth it as the country was going to the dogs. So I completely share your view that many , probably most, of the wartime generation would wonder why they sacrificed so much only to see it frittered away by the generations that followed them.
DT – My dad also flew with Bomber Command in the last few years of the war, he had the same attitude to what was happening to this country as your dad. He died in the late 1990s when to my shame I was still partly in my “lefty” phase and was only able to re-connect to him in the last couple of years before his death.
The strange thing was even when I was full lefty I sort of knew much of what he was saying was right and yet in my arrogance at the time I would never have admitted it to him.
Double / oak – My admiration for the ‘boys’ of bomber command knows no limit – and I think it is difficult today to come to terms with how young those crews were . I mean – to be 20 – and captain of a Lancaster .. beyond belief . And our gratitude should always be with them . The losses were just – horrible .
As far as history is concerned – the debate about whether to drop the bomb on Germany or japan – prior to testing – must have been … interesting ….
FE2 I sort of got the idea that had we been still at it with Germany when the bomb was ready they may indeed have been gifted it. However I think because of the extreme nature of japanese (especially when defending their homeland) and the fact that allied forces (mainly americans) had already lost many thousands of their best in the island hopping campaigns dropping the bomb was probably a no brainer.
And I expect they didnt die so that the balkanisation of Western Europe could take place.
Belthane,
As soon as I heard the words, the public, “come together”, and realised it was a Marxist ploy, I shut off.
Yes DD, your first sentence was particularly resonating. – the 50th as opposed to the 75th, and I heartily agree. The last 25, since 1995, has witnessed so much upheaval and change, mass immigration via Labour, mobile phones, the internet, social media, good comedians replaced by rubbish usurpers, we could die before we see a GP. Grandad injured at the Somme, and Dad on Arctic convoys would be chuffed their fighting hadn’t been in vain.
But best of all, I was in my 40’s back then.
Government briefing
Bit of light relief today – forget the lockdown – thousands dying in care homes -NHS staff dancing and bitching – no let’s talk about cycle lanes and that old chestnut idiot politicians talk about pot holes .
Anyone who thinks the government hasn’t lost the plot should watch that one .
I think mr shapp slipped the number of tests out without anyone noticing – I’m guessing it was less than 100000 again –
Let’s get back to potholes . – forget the wrecked economy – you’re all going to get bikes …..
It really is shambolic – now they want people coming into UK to quaranteen themselves for 14 days – when they’ve been doing sweet nothing for the last 2 months – ‘ it didn’t matter ‘ was the explanation .
I cannot believe someone in tory media doesn’t realise how chaotic they now look .
They are incompetent. The failure to stop incoming flights and the boats and trains is the main reason for the death rate. They know it and so do we. Now that sad excuse for a PM is about to bring in incomers quarantine. Far too late. The real reason we did not was entirely political. To allow flights from Wuhan was , as far as i am concerned, an indictable offence given the duplicity ( by then obvious) of the CCP.
I am done with the whole lot of them.
Dave,
“They are incompetent”. Just taking on the mantle of those that went before.
Fed, I think I posted here a while ago that we are being conned in plain sight.
Cycle lanes. How many of the good citizens of London, Birmingham or Manchester are going to get on their bikes come the cold wet weather of Autumn. It’s all well and good using two wheels in the summer when it’s warm and dry but come September it’s another story.
Testing, 10 a day or 10million, makes no difference. You can be free of the Chinese flu at point of testing then, venture to your local supermarket, que up in line for an hour ‘socially distant’ then get into to the shop where it’s a free for all, be exposed to a carrier who’s scrabbling for a loo roll and you contract the disease. There’s risk in all we do, in all our ways of life.
Potholes are irrelevant, they only repair them after a serious injury or complaint is made. All our council tax goes on diversity courses or police and crime comisionaires pensions funds. The roads have been quiet for a month. Gangs of repair teams could have been out and about repairing holes, fixing drains, clearing verges… But no it’s too dangerous with the virus an all.
Lockdown. Hahah. Pointless as thousands still arrive all day every day on aeroplanes and god knows how many are brough ashore on the coast of Kent by the Border Farce.
Shambolic is not the word. I had high hopes of this administration but they have proved themselves to be hopeless useless and cowardly as any that have gone before.
Just wait till tomorrow when blustering waffling bullshitting Boris makes some Brexit concession due to covid.
Just read on the Daily Mail that Miriam Margolyes wished Boris had died from the virus, but then retracted because she didn’t want people to think she was the sort of person that wished somebody dead.
Having heard the same from a friend about Trump – what is it about the Left that think it OK to wish anybody dead? This has been going on for some time (Mrs Thatcher for example).
We know why the BBC doesn’t go for these people, unlike the minor misdemeanor of Carole Thatcher remarking on someone’s frizzy hair.
It is a minor thing, but so much evidence that there is one rule for the Left and another for the Right.
Nursey with Baldrick – both ultra-lefties, not much else going for them except bile-resurgence.
Silly woman.
(Sorry Debs, you’re a Lady, I meant that Miriam stupid woman, never you, you’re a real sweetheart..;0)
Thanks Scrob, I definitely prefer being called ‘a lady’ to ‘a woman’. But then I am not a feminist.
Trivial correction. Nursey was played by the late Patsy Byrne. A nice lady as far as I am aware. Whereas Miriam Margolyes is …. not.
Even Vine shared the cruely edited 10 second Miriam Margolyes clip
this 40 second clip shows she changed her mind
But there is this nastier post from Margolyes
The BBC; leading the pack with leading headlines (see what I dun there?).
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2020/05/09/bbc-promotes-open-letter-from-leading-firms/#more-44697
Seems in the ‘special stuff’ EdGuds ‘leading’ means ‘folk we and the Guardian mix with.
The Guardian: only 135,000 copies sold daily (2019 figures, ranking it behind every other major newspaper) and many of them bought by the BBC, libraries, universities, schools, etc, rather than paying members of the public. So, why is it quoted so often?
It is quoted so often because the majority of its readers and contributors work for the BBC or in the ‘education’ sector.
Simple, painfully true, and as shameless a distortion of democracy as history will one day confirm.
@MSB why’s theGuardian sell so few copies ?
#1 Cos it’s not the 1950’s granddad so raw sales figures are a BS metric
what counts is actual EYES on CONTENT
and sadly it does get quite a lot
cos it’s free
However working out what country the readers belong to is difficult.
That 135K is print and online added together
Current audited data : print 74K, paid digital 56K
but they’ll be millions per month in the UK who visit the website
The Sun gives its as 5m browsers per day
The Guardian doesn’t give daily figures only monthly
That suggests that actually their UK daily reach isn’t millions on an avg day.
https://www.abc.org.uk/product/2451
What I actually asked was, “Why is it quoted so often?”
Of course, the number of paper copies counts for less these days and on-line access for much more. Still, the Today programme and others such as Newsnight refer to it out of all proportion to the popularity of its views, presumably because the ruling elite like it.
@MSB you actually quoted a readership of 135,000
whereas Ofcom say a weekly readership of 8 million for the Guardian ..see below
Ofcom use this graph from the IPA’s “TouchPoints 2018” study
IPA are considered rightwing, but Ofcom might be cherrypicking
Click to access uk-news-consumption-2019-report.pdf
IPA have a newer report PDF but I haven’t looked
https://ipa.co.uk/knowledge/documents/touchpoints-what-s-new-for-2018-digital-news-infographic/
You can see most of the info
without downloading a PDF
https://whatsnewinpublishing.com/how-people-in-the-uk-are-accessing-news-6-key-findings/
I forgot to say I did a few days work for the Guardian marketing dept once, which I am of course ashamed of. That was part of me coming to realise what a cheating bubbleworld they live in.
Yeah, but were they single gloves for PPE or just left-handed ones!
I didn’t think that The Grauniold ever did marketing, they just wibbled along with failed non-‘reporters’, and bought second homes in Tuscany!
I know several people who still read the old rag, well I used to, when I asked them…
Has anyone noticed that when Al Beeb’s arch-enemy Nigel Farage comes up with a suggestion or proposes a way forward, the Tory cabinet from May’s time up to the present pick it up and run with it a few months later ?
There will be many Tory voters and businessmen a lot poorer when this pandemic is over.
Tory MP’s take note, The Brexit Party is watching…………………
https://www.thebrexitparty.org
Just received my usual Telly Goon’s red letter this morning demanding I contact them and inform them why I don’t pay the Telly Tax. Do I need to tell them ?
Not on your Nelly!
“Not on your Telly”.
Taffman – that’s very worrying – I’ve not had a letter for quite sometime and I miss them … I have a sneaky feeling that postal deliveries in London have been suspended but they’ve not told anyone .
Better still they have given up on you?
Taffman – maybe the London Offices are closed … I don’t think they’d forget – it’s all puter generated anyway – unless any one from TV licencing reading this site would put me right …
Fedup2
maxincony or Piku, can you help?
Don’t ask those couple of ***** please Taff.
Anyhow, they could only answer with a ‘cut n paste’ response from another erstwhile poster on the site.
Well, anything thing that pisses off the Guardian is bound to piss off the BBC.
‘How did Michael Moore become a hero to climate deniers and the far right?
George Monbiot’
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/07/michael-moore-far-right-climate-crisis-deniers-film-environment-falsehoods
Moore became a hero through telling the truth – which automatically becomes a lie if it should differ from Guardian opinion.
The toxic smear label “far right” is desperately used
if the arguer has no proper argument
Fallacy of poisoning the wells.
Sorry if this has been asked already but what happens to these migrants that are picked up in the Channel – are they accommodated somewhere? If so where? And at whose expense (Gov or local authorities?) Are they immediately given benefits or money, mobile phone accounts? Is their identity checked? Are they tested for Covid? How long are they accommodated for? Are they then released into “communities”? If so where? Where do they all go????
Well they cant go to immigration detention centres, because due to Covid those that were there have all been released and found ‘homes’.
PRW – I think the likes of Hattie Harmon and that mad girl singer who keeps apologising on behalf of the nation ( lily Allen ) takes them all in and puts them up until they choose which council housing list they would like to be top of
Fed, Guess Gary Lineker and Yvette Cooper have room for the rest?
Ah yes – was trying not to think of Mrs cooper – testicles …
In all seriousness though – it’s surprising one of those daytime documentary channel hasn’t done a whole series of how these poor refugees from French tyranny are cared for by the authorities …
Kaiser -so as a result of that 9 minutes I’m assuming that Ghana will decline any further handouts from the UK taxpayer and learn to stand on its own …. as the man said 60 years after independence – 60 years ….! ( I thought the Chinese owned Africa now)
As a former UK colony, a country where English is the official language and a member of the commonwealth why are they receiving aid from France?
Or is the French money really EU money?
What a strange idea, countries doing things for themselves! Did he ask for permission from Tony Blair and ‘his people’?
Paul Embery on Twitter has posted a 1 minute 19 second video created by what looks like met plod – it’s more dancing ….
I truly am out of touch or they are -be a victim of crime and see them dance around with excuses for being too busy to do anything .
Like Ceebeebies. With consent.
I have a feeling my parents, along with my grandparents are laughing their celestial socks off at us right now. Two generations who lived, and fought through two world wars, rationing, single glazing, coal fires, a great depression, shortages, outside toilets.. and no NHS. …..At what point did we loose our collective back bone, when did we become so soft ..so risk averse? …..Clappy pot bangin?’ ..yeah- that’ll do it..????
Maybe it was the advent of the life enhancing ‘smart’ phone, that handy pocket sized brain replacement app..I mean, who needs an imagination, a mind and will of your own, when you have everything you need at a swipe…Where someone some where watches over you…( he typed with a hint of irony )….????
“Coronavirus: Garden centres in England to reopen next week”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52597586
Government rewarding those who support the lockdown?, people on full or furlough pay who demand longer and stricter measures.
I’m delighted they can now potter about in thier lavish gardens with all the lasted gear.
Meanwhile I’d rather like a pair of sandals, but shoe shops arent as essential as those selling Spear and Jackson spades
Good news they are opening, we need to get back to normal very quickly indeed.
It is an opportune moment in our Nation’s history that we should allow everyone to have a vote by Internet in a National Referendum (to save time and millions in postage costs, polling station costs etc etc) for the U.K Government’s next course of action in the Covid-19 crisis.
Choose either 1), 2) or 3)
1 – You agree to continue under lockdown with a gradual easing of the restrictions. Note: Restrictions will only be completely removed when all 65m U.K. residents have received a tried and proven vaccine.
2 – You agree to the immediate removal of all restrictions and take the chance you will not be struck down by the Chinese virus. Note: This may result in you being one of the estimated 500,000 that will not see 2021.
3 – You agree to accept the Government’s offer to pay for all removal and rehousing costs for you and your family to emigrate to New Zealand
VOTE ON YOUR KEYPADS – NOW
Sorry, missed a bit – #3 is fully endorsed by the BBBC!
I’ve mentioned before, lockdown was finished in England when the first flight of Romainian veg pickers landed at Stanstead 3 weeks ago.
Can’t have the indigenous population confined to barracks because of a disease and fly in god knows what from abroad at the same time.
“Coastguard rescues soar despite Covid-19 lockdown”
A total of 97 incidents were recorded on Friday, which was a public holiday for VE Day, including 16 in Scotland.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52600086
Something hidden in that report.
16 in Scotland , where were the other 81, Dover ?
Well, it won’t be the fabulous fishing fleets off Hastings and Rye, as they’re told to chuck back everything they can’t attribute to crap EU ‘rules’ !
Bless them all, and they had to put up with Amber Rudd for so long!
The theory that Boris is covering up carehome deaths is big with libmob
and funnily enough we were talking today about the Guardian.
A libmobber said to me
‘It’s all true, there is a letter from a GP in the Guardian
that says the Coroner of Suffolk told doctors not to put Covid on care home death certificates’
.. em except when I check local press had reported plenty of Suffolk care home covid deaths.. so there hadn’t been a cover up.
Anyway the Guardian letter is making an EXTRAORDINARY claim
but supplies no EXTRAORDINARY evidence.
After all this time the Gotcha journos haven’t got any proof.
OK death reporting has been delayed
but I can’t see medics breaking the law to help Boris.
The awful BBC will never, ever recognise that many care homes are privately owned, and therefore not in the same category as NHS figures.
Doesn’t matter if they tell the truth, just make loads of numbers up, multiply by ten and stiff the public all the time.
Liars, fantasists, and also just a bit stupid.
Stew – the care home cover up is big with me too – the non hospital Covid death number S are now being put on the Public health England website .
I think they’ve been publishing data aimed at confusing us . Those daily briefings are a joke . I’m a right winger – far to the right of bojo – and was supportive of the cabinet . But not so much now – when I said this before someone assumed I’m prop socialist – but I’d rather be dead than that
Fed they could do things like over report Covid19 on death certs
say if that will get a bigger grant
eg each dead NHS worker gets automatic first payment of £60K
so an inconvenient pneumonia only might get tipped over into being a Covid death
But under reporting on the death certificate
it wouldn’t be wouldn’t be worth lying on the death certificate cos the families and media would find you out.
Daily Briefings, once you understand that death reporting is messy then it makes sense.
They did allow the false impression to form that deaths all happened in the last 24 hours.
Instead of explaining reporting takes a long time, with all the procedures needing to be followed.
I can imagine that local hospitals might delay reporting bad news until a local news story distracts.
Again I can’t see final certified Covid deaths being underreported, only over reported.
Interesting Crimebodge video about the legality of the police actions and about government lockdown.
Hard to argue,
Pinned comments from care home worker
‘I work in a nursing home which has had 17 deaths “due to the coronavirus”. Out of the 17, only 2 were tested (they showed positive), the rest were just assumed to have died from it’
Thank you Eddy
– if the law is as claimed – some ambulance chasing lawyer will challenge the fixed penalty notices .
I wonder if this is already happening as the compensation will be a good source of income .
Hundreds of people are still dying each day with the virus – despite the lock down being in place for – what – 2 months?
We deserve an explanation . Very few NHS staff have died with it considering the numbers of infections and citizen deaths .
The British economy is being sacrificed to benefit the NHS and emergency services so that they can continue practicing dance moves .
It can’t go on – and I think people have had enough now . BoJo can do his best Churchill impersonation on Sunday night but I think the public will give him 2 fingers ..
And if it turns bad – the NHS can earn its money
You’ve hit the nail on the head, Fed.
I keep getting this nasty feeling that it isn’t the citizens of Great Britain who are important, it’s the NHS, and to some degree, the other services like the police.
There is a difference, and yes, we need to be treated if we’re ill – we have (mostly) all paid for – and still do with taxes – what they do already, but it does seem that ‘people’ don’t matter, they’re/we’re being shoved around, just to suit the emergency services!
Surely it should be the other way round?
The lockdown is pointless.
The U.K. governments chief medical advisors/scientists in both England and Scotland made conscious descisons to utterly disregard their own ‘scientific’ advise and ignore the lockdown, visiting married lovers or second homes.
Why should the free peoples of this island believe a word they are told from those ‘in power’
Hackney Police tweeted pic of white people no problem
White, Black, Red, Martian…..Do Hackney plod really think people are going to pay any attention to them?
Policing by consent disappeared years ago, plus the proles have now seen through the lies and government bullshit.
I wager turn out will be lower tomorrow, but only because the weather is on the turn.
Why do flu viruses usually strike hardest on the winters
Could it be because people’s health are more run down?
Sunbathing and Vitamin D has to be the best defence against covid.
Plus that photo looks like a zoom lens trick to flatten depth and squash people to appear closer
“Migrant crossings: 227 people intercepted amid lockdown spike”
“The migrants have been taking advantage of the coronavirus lockdown”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-52599696
This Tory Government is getting far from embarrassing, its a F….ng joke ! A minister for compliance Chris Philp? A Home Secretary ? There is no border control . Get the Royal Navy and Royal Marines on the job and they will turn them back. Nigel Farage your country needs you because we are being run by a bunch of Circus Clowns .
Readers may not be aware that the same cultural wars that are happening in secular society are also being fought within the Christian churches.
Dr Gavin Ashenden addresses the issue below.
He was formerly Chaplain to the Queen but resigned in protest after a muslim was invited to read from the quran at St Mary’s Cathedral, Glasgow by some idiot woke clergy. He chose a highly inflammatory passage demeaning to Christ, provoking Ashenden’s resignation.
@GWF over on page 1 posted about the Finsbury Park Ramadan incident
I thought Katy Hopkins tweet and ones like it were idiotic
Why use words “Finsbury Park Mosque” and then clip a photo which obviously is a photo of a nearby street
and doesn’t show the mosque ?
It’s obviously a weak tweet
So libmobbers just post underneath “that is the not the mosque”
It’s obvious some game of Chinese whispers has been going on and the story has been extended.
Then unfortunately the mainstream media are going to go the other way and leave things out.
I find you can go back to the first contemporary tweet before the
embellishments have been added on
this guy did a blow by blow account
Right near the beginning he makes it clear it is a Ramadan thing.
There is this building where male youths from a certain community gather every evening OUTSIDE to break Ramadan fast and eat together.
And they don’t give a toss about physical distancing rules
..and fight have broken out before.
Then he checks himself and says he loves multiculturalism, it’s wrong to be anti Islam and the area is great.
.. but then a few tweets later he’s admitting the area has gone down hill
Then this other non-lefty guy comes in and says he was there filming
and then makes it clear, the youths had gathered and it was still not dark, so they weren’t eating and fights broken out.
Doodle and thoughts.
my prediction, for what its worth:
teachers and transport workers will refuse to return to work using safety as an excuse WHATEVER measures are in place unless we overturn democracy and put a socialist in charge
And regarding heath worker “heroes” try getting emergency dental treatment ….. how many dentists are willing to work in your county ? TWO in Cambridgeshire and Hertfordshire
I agree, but the counter-argument will be when they realise that thousands of parents, currently forced to homeschool, suddenly realise the “corona normal” of two parents at home and online learning is quite convenient and for smart kids, way more effective. Both sides can play the “its too dangerous” card to their advantage.
Homeschooling is fairly common in the US, especially with modern online group learning and virtual classrooms of half a dozen kids in the local area. I have two boys that my wife is teaching now. They have hours of 1 on 1 tuition without distraction and it’s all proper work like numeracy and writing. I have zero desire for them to attend a local school after the summer.
I see the vets are working normally.
A niece in the US wanted to be a vet, but couldn’t pass the exams.
She is now a senior medical practitioner dealing with nasties like Covid and HIV.
Funny old world innit…
You’ve hit the nail on the head, Fed. (post as a response to your earlier comment, but it turned up here – sorry)…
I keep getting this nasty feeling that it isn’t the citizens of Great Britain who are important, it’s the NHS, and to some degree, the other services like the police.
There is a difference, and yes, we need to be treated if we’re ill – we have (mostly) all paid for – and still do with taxes – what they do already, but it does seem that ‘people’ don’t matter, they’re/we’re being shoved around, just to suit the emergency services!
Surely it should be the other way round?
Scrob
yep it should be…well at least balanced – As I keep telling my friends in the public sector – it is the private sector that let you exist…you will be amazed how many don’t understand where their wages come from..
Sadly James, having to have dealt with lots of them in the past, mainly through building and construction, there is a dumb indifference to commercial values, while we pay a fifth of our poll tax to fund their bloody pensions.
Rotten deal for normal citizens I’m afraid.
Brillo explains why the media get to decide rather than the public.
With definitions.
The people complaining about having to go back to work are the same people who will be complaining about the huge tax hike that will inevitably come. The government could help alleviate that pain by abolishing the Telly Tax. C 19 is here to stay, it ain’t going away.
Good morning.
Here is the ‘religious’ programme Toady on Sunday’s running order. Readers are advised to be sitting down.
1. Navajo Indians in America
2. Muslims and Jews in France
3. A lady rural vicar in the Yorkshire Dales !!!!!!!!!
4. Sikh doctors where their beards prevent good fitting PPE. For those unwilling to shave they are either moved to low risk duties are are given extremely expensive SCUBA/aqualung type head gear. The excess coronavirus deaths for BAME was mentioned.
5. Virtual dance classes for UK living ‘South Asian’ women. These are made possible by someone who can translate the instructions into Gujarati !!!!
And that, dear readers, is Sunday religion in BBC land. Absolutely jaw-dropping.
The obvious link between 4 and 5, that excess BAME deaths may be partly related to the ability to understand the lockdown instructions was unsurprisingly, not discussed. Just one more benefit of open door immigration LeftMob forgot to mention.
Good morning.
Here is the ‘religious’ programme Toady on Sunday’s running order. Readers are advised to be sitting down.
1. Navajo Indians in America
2. Muslims and Jews in France
3. A lady rural vicar in the Yorkshire Dales !!!!!!!!!
4. Sikh doctors where their beards prevent good fitting PPE. For those unwilling to shave they are either moved to low risk duties are are given extremely expensive SCUBA/aqualung type head gear. The excess coronavirus deaths for BAME was mentioned.
5. Virtual dance classes for UK living ‘South Asian’ women. These are made possible by someone who can translate the instructions into Gujarati !!!!
And that, dear readers, is Sunday religion in BBC land. Absolutely jaw-dropping.
The obvious link between 4 and 5, that excess BAME deaths may be partly related to the ability to understand the lockdown instructions was unsurprisingly, not discussed. Just one more benefit of open door immigration LeftMob forgot to mention.
Good morning.
Here is the ‘religious’ programme Toady on Sunday’s running order. Readers are advised to be sitting down.
1. Navajo Indians in America
2. Muslims and Jews in France
3. A lady rural vicar in the Yorkshire Dales !!!!!!!!!
4. Sikh doctors where their beards prevent good fitting PPE. For those unwilling to shave they are either moved to low risk duties are are given extremely expensive SCUBA/aqualung type head gear. The excess coronavirus deaths for BAME was mentioned.
5. Virtual dance classes for UK living ‘South Asian’ women. These are made possible by someone who can translate the instructions into Gujarati !!!!
And that, dear readers, is Sunday religion in BBC land. Absolutely jaw-dropping.
The obvious link between 4 and 5, that excess BAME deaths may be partly related to the ability to understand the lockdown instructions was unsurprisingly, not discussed. Just one more benefit of open door immigration LeftMob forgot to mention.
Sluff – you have my admiration . I used to dip into that in my rituals before going to Mass – but it became the satanic version of ‘countryfile ‘ .
I concluded there can never be a positive story about Christianity on one and there can never be a positive story about the normal country …. on countryfile .
As time passes and my decision to expunge the whole BBC output it gets easier …..
… I used to have moral qualms about using BBC product without paying for it but none exist any more as I don’t need a licence any more ….
The funny thing is – if the BBC provided a proper service I’d be willing to pay double for subscription . But I know that will never happen.
One of the many places the BBC went wrong was to applying its socialist views to broadcasting – by going for the lowest common denominators as opposed to attempting to ‘ lifting ‘ people like it once did . Dumbed down all the way .
When I used to watch the news I’d get frustrated about the tone and pace of the anchors – but then I realised they were not there for me – they were there for foreigners for whom English is a second language – but making me an alien in my own country . ….
The new media sh*t stir is the new slogan.
And its (see what I did there?) Rach kicking off first for the BBC.
GW,
“Stay Alert”. That’ll be easy to follow: if you see a chinese virus floating around when walking down the pavement, just avoid it by stepping aside!
Simples.
Is that why we had to avoid the pavement cracks as children?
Pavements are high risk.
Dogs on extended leads.
Errant cyclists.
Delivery drivers mounting the things to save time.
Cracks and holes from no maintenance.
Sprawling hedges forcing the walker into the road.
Mongs with their phones glued to their faces not looking where they are going.
Disability transports.
Mothers with pushchairs.
Youths with knives in London.
There are risks in all walks of life. We cannot be protected from everything. I will be alert, if I see someone coughing, sneezing in public i will avoid. Mitigate the possible risks as best I can.
And if I visit my supermarket on the rare days that I do at the moment, and notice my favourite shelf-stacking lady there, wearing that fantastic home-made Victoria’s Secret mask, I will definitely have my mad passionate way with her against the baked beans or the tomato soup, whichever is stacked in the right position and to hell with the consequences…
There, didn’t we all feel much better for knowing that!
9am BBC local news stations, the first clip we hear is “Labour MP Barry Gardiner”
… I wonder why we have to hear from him.
A quick compare and contrast
Two current BBC news reports
Item one – Coronavirus: Call for public inquiry into BAME death risk
Key statement – “Only an independent public inquiry will provide the answers we need…”
Item two – Coronavirus: Young men ‘more likely to ignore lockdown’
Key statement – “we know that males in general take more risks…”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52602467
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52587368
Isn’t it funny to think there are certain things ‘we know’ and our experts are allowed to express and have promoted on the BBC… and there are other things the experts (and no doubt other non-experts but interested parties) need to go away into a huddle and mutter quietly for some time and eventually come out with some report that may or may not say something or other about what it was they first thought of… that may or may not be true and what we all knew but didn’t do the proper inquiry into it like the so-called experts did…
8.55 Radio 4 Sunday morning. I caught the last minute or two of ‘A Point of View’ before the headlines. I didn’t catch who the woman speaking in a monotone was (and is it the sound engineer who tells them to deliver between certain levels, but think a female Will Self ) but within two minutes I had gathered every to do with the pandemic and the weather had to do with Climate Change and that the shutdown has shown us how things should be afterwards. She quoted her visit to some Scottish island where there were so many insects and wild flowers and implied that was how everywhere should now become. She will be the first to complain when there are food shortages because she wanted insecticides banned. And I am guessing she probably likes her squashed avocado on toast (just a guess) but that involves food miles.
But I waited for the headlines and heard that lifting any restrictions is all wrong and Obama is critical of Trump’s handling of the Coronavirus. But no mention of the lies that the FBI had been discovered making during their investigation into the Russians in league with Trump, nor how some of these instructions came from the Obama office. That story might have been lower down the order, but I guessed not, and switched off.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52602467
70 public figures are calling for a full independent public inquiry into deaths from Covid-19 among BAME’s, apparently. Front Page, V important!
I say there are far more pressing Qs!
What about an inquiry into this governments inability to secure our border and the many lives lost as a direct result?
What about the millions waiting for an inquiry into why 100s of BAME’s arrive illegally every week on our S Coast? And the sub-inquiry into why the BBC coverage of this direct threat to public health is buried away on their website.
And Why, when you do find the story, voice is given to Clare Moseley (Care4Calais), “little wonder” those living in French refugee camps were “desperate to make this dangerous crossing, given the awful conditions they face”.
If our Border Farce are the taxi, then Clare (et al) are ‘metaphorically’ paying the fare, and the BBC provide free advertising. It’s a scandal.
What about the inquiry into why our airports have remained open (Almost uniquely in the world), and why our government is only now ‘thinking of quarantine’.
Given this complete dereliction of governance, why are these Qs not foremost on the BBC or MSM?
Why, when we cower in our homes waiting for ‘Tax hell’ on the other side, are these inconsistencies not in neon lights? Why is our media sympathetic to direct threats to our national health? Lamenting the poor airline industry or the plight of migrants? Why is our army not at the S Coast or at the airports enforcing Quarantine to any entrees?
We, the public, have zero voice. The government are donkeys, our media are mules. I despise them all.
We all know the BBC’s eagerness to undermine the government knows no bounds, but as desperate stories go, this one has to be right up there, and is well into ‘you can’t make it up’ territory.
Quote from webshite
………..’ the government failed to hit the 100,000 daily tests target set by Health Secretary Matt Hancock for the seventh day in a row.
There were 96,878 tests delivered in the 24 hours up to 09:00 BST on Friday, down from 97,029 the day before’…….
Just imagine the furore and self-righteous sanctimonious indignation if they reached 99,999.
Sluff – it’s not just that they are under hitting the 100k minimum target –
It’s that they’ve never achieved it . They used deceit to say 30k. Kits sent in the post were tests . Well they are not .
Add to that – BoJo said his aspiration was for 250k a day . Not gonna happen is it ?
In other words -how can the NHS know what’s going on – and how can policy be properly set it they are blind – dependent on numbers in hospital dropping -possibly because people would rather stay away from dancing NHS staff – as well as going to hospital and picking up covid there ….?
If you read what I’m writing and see me as a rebel or defeatist – you are wrong – I’m trying to see through the sentimental clap trap , propaganda about the value of the NHS and the inability of the state to even start to work the problem out and tell us the truth .
Medical statistician Spiegelhalter is on Red-Andy’s show right now
wind it back a few minutes.
“Testing data is vital and testing has been slow. That is the one thing I will criticise the Government for”.
Apparently last week we sent a load of CV19 samples over to the US for testing.
In BBC la la land, this is yet another stick up with which to beat the government.
Does it ever occur to them that service delivery is the responsibility of our NHS heroes and/or the talking shop that is Public Health England?
Nope. The BBC expect government ministers to place all purchase orders, progress chase, and do all the testing themselves.
To be fair though, the government do have themselves to blame, by sanctifying the NHS and ridiculously making it untouchable.
I can see President Trump fielding that sort of question at his briefings:
Steps aside from the lectern and gesticulates to head of public health to take the question, and when she has answered, takes to the lectern and says, “Isn’t she doing a great job?”
Putting the needs of the NHS above that of the people is to invert the proper relationship and is truly fascist.
I’ve emailed my local MP on average once a week since the unlawful confinement of UK citizens.
I’ve asked about the NHS procurement process and why the BBC doesn’t report it, but continues to harangue HMG.
I’ve asked why the airports remain open, and not just repatriation flights.
Why is our border force bring ing hundreds of illegals to our country everyday despite the bio hazzards.
No replies as yet.
Earlier on R4, we heard the story of two brothers, and e-books.
Their father, of 73 years of age and infected by the chinese virus, has just come off a ventilator having been unconscious on that equipment for the previous 40 DAYS. Yes, that’s right, 40 DAYS. the sons tell the listener that in recovery, he’s now being fed e-books. Pride & Prejudiced was mentioned.
I wish the patient well but the story is sobering. Not a potential end I would relish.
This morning Radio 5 Live had a piece about the change of message from “Stay At Home” to “Stay Alert” that is probably going to be announced by Boris this evening. They then wheeled on Professor Susan Michie, Professor of Health Psychology and Director of Centre for Behaviour Change at University College London – she must know her stuff, I thought.
She went on to slag off the government’s communications and undermine the new “Stay Alert” message before it has even be announced.
Now, she might be right, she might be wrong – I don’t know as I am no expert – but as she is a professor presumably most Radio 5 Live listeners will have gone away from the interview thinking that the government have really screwed this up.
What might have been useful for those unsuspecting listeners to know that, according to Wikipedia – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Michie, Prof Mitchie is…
“…a member of the Communist Party of Britain (CPB) but has donated to the Labour Party[4] under the Corbyn leadership. In March 2018, Michie, described as a leading member of the CPB, said that the party would no longer stand against Labour in general elections and CPB members should be “working full tilt” for the election of Corbyn as prime minister.”
Hmmmm.
All that’s going on in the West is a ‘loosing up’ heading towards the European public’s recognition that strong leadership is needed. Enter the stage:
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/15999/italy-china-trojan-horse
Glad I won’t be around to see the Grand Takeover.
Normally those government briefings are just filler before the weather – and As instantly forgotten as the ‘minister ‘ running the thing
But the shapps one stuck with me from yesterday . It was in the tone. Things are going to be different says shapps – you are going to have to get used to a different way of travelling says shapps . You are going to be getting on your bike says shapps .
And the government is going to spend 2,billion on giving cycles priority says shapps .
The tone was – dictatorial – and I could imagine some thick socialist standing there telling us such stuff .
Then I wondered “why?”
Is it because they are not accountable even though they didn’t prepare and still haven’t got control ?
Is it the 80 majority gone to their head ?
Is it that they can be pictured clapping every bloody Thursday night ?
Is it because they know they will never be held accountable – and created a country totally dependant on hand outs ?
Or can pass illegal laws and use dumbed down plod to clear parks , use drones and tell people what’s good for them ?
Take your pick . Personally – I’m done with their lockdown . I’ll stay away from people – I dont do crowds –
I’ll risk being a victim of the Chinese virus -I’d have stuck with government directions if I thought they would ever get control of the pandemic – but they never will –
And until a vaccine or drug comes along nothing will change .
Meanwhile BoJo can be pictured strolling in the park -.public employees can be viewed on twitter with demented dance routines and for ordinary people – stay frightened .
As for number 10 -either Cummings has lost his touch – has been ousted in a coup or the covid did for him – I don’t know – and really don’t care any more .
I’m off to get a bit of sun .
The government is not going to let the small matter of a global pandemic get in the way of their wider goals:
Open borders (hence the failure to do anything about the airports)
Immigration (hence not acting against the invaders on the south coast)
Cheap labour (hence bringing in people from Romania to pick fruit and veg)
Green fantasies (no private cars by 2050, hence the promotion of bikes and stuff)
@Ian good post
Revealing little moment in Mr Marr’s interview with statistician Prof. Spiegenhalter, on the subject of ‘international Covid death comparisons’ when he said that his article in the Guardian was the catalyst for the subsequent rumpus.
It was that ‘article in the Guardian’ line that made me wonder why it is that so many apparently non-partisan scientists choose the newspaper with the lowest actual and most artificially inflated circulation to air their views?
Is it because they believe that only the chosen readership is bright enough to understand? Is it because they believe the absurd and unsubstantiated ‘on-line’ readership figures? Figures, it would seem, based on the fact that if someone has a lap-top they must be bright enough to understand what’s in the Guardian. So that’s a tick then.
And if you take on-line readership as a reality, difficult to quantify but still a reality, and pick for instance a banal news source like Yahoo – which reproduces more than its fair share of Guardian articles – the comments are almost always universally scathing, so while it may, just, be true that the Guardian has a large on-line readership, that readership is in the main critical to the point of derision.
So, taking Spiegenhalter as an example, is his choice of disseminator based on a desire to air his views to as wide an audience as possible, or is it because his politics are in-line with the message that the Guardian gives its ‘worldwide’ audience?
Beltane
They didn’t get him on to agree with anything the Govt had done now did they 🙂
I thought Prof showed his politics..essentially he tried to knock Boris for summarising what he himself had said – Boris never said learning from the evidence was pointless he simply repeated what anyone would take from Spielgelhalter’s SKY interview about using international comparisons.
“I think this kind of Eurovision contest between who is top and who is second in Europe is a completely, pretty fatuous operation.” He added: “There are countries that have not done very well. That includes us. But trying to make these detailed comparisons is just impossible at this stage.”
At the end of the day he has spent his whole life in academia ..what do you think his politics are? He is just a tad more sophisticated than most of them…
Of course you are right JA. In fact, on the plus side, Marr almost failed twice with his clever leading questions, when Prof Peter Horby was on screen.
Fed the line: ‘You advised the government back in June to stockpile gowns, which they ignored…’ there was a noticeable pause when, my guess would be, he thought about saying ‘Well, we advised the NHS, actually…’ before going down the BBC road left open to him.
And later when Marr quoted from Lancet ‘editor’ Richard Horton, questioning the impartiality of pro-government scientists on SAGE and Cobra committees, his polite: ‘I think he’s mistaken there….’ was not simply far from what Malicious Marr was either expecting or hoping for, it made his whole line of questioning transparent – but that’s what Sunday mornings on the BBC are all about.
Yes Beltane I noticed he deferred from answering some questions directly and actually went off topic to avoid any follow up. So you may well be correct in that the BBC, in their haste to criticise the Govt, actually got it the questions wrong.
I really struggle with Marr – ever since Brexit when he showed his true colours and lack of impartiality
@Beltane Spiegenhalter is OK
(BTW he messaged me at 6:21am in the morning a couple of weeks ago
to say my maths was right, when I had to ask him about why something he said on radio where his own maths didn’t add up.
I don’t know why neither the presenter nor thousands of listeners seemed to notice the slip.)
Well the Guardian did used to be a good paper he’s been quoted by them since 2001 and has written a few articles since 2010.
By 2003 the Guardian had already gone bad with libmob trolls being in charge of deleting reader comments.
So Spiegelhalter basically wanted to make a point that with Covid people shouldn’t be comparing data from country to country as if it were gospel.
He wrote a blogpost & the Guardian took that as an article
He doesn’t have a relationship with other newspapers, cos basically he doesn’t have a political stance.
He’s just the country’s top medical statistician and sits on Sage.
So when Boris was annoyed about gotchagang journos saying ‘look Britain is overtaking Italy in terms of deaths’
he was right to be annoyed cos Italian figs are not on the same basis as the UK’s so he quoted Spiegelhalter.
Boris was not saying ‘this is in the Guardian, so it must be right’
but rather it’s the weight of Spiegelhalter’s reputation.
I think you made a good point
Is there a trick whereby Guardian content is syndicated through YahooNews and MSN and those clicks are what gives the Guardian it’s unbelievable claim of 9m/week unique UK adult readers ?
I looked at hundreds of tweets about the Marr show
and hundreds of libmob cherrypicked Spiegelhalter’s words to support their own case.
In fact he did not give a lefty line.
They did quote him saying Boris was mistaken in saying never compare countries.
But they didn’t quote him on why some comparisons are bad.
If we are both right and the Guardian resort to tricks to artificially inflate their circulation and inferred impact, doesn’t that make their whole position facile and morally questionable?
The same old same old of ‘We’re right because we know best’ seems to apply.
Fair points Stew
I still believe he was being disingenuous with some of his comments and is political
I didn’t enjoy his book though 🙂 so maybe I am biased 🙂
Spiegenhalter’s latest gov-nok interview might suggest that he’s not quite as a-political as you think Stew.