Midweek Thread 13 May 2020

A highly skilled BBC autocue reader called Fiona Bruce read out that a whole range of workers are ‘low skilled’. She has done a public service by showing a glimpse at what they think of the millions of people who pay their wages through the TV licence.

If you feel like cancelling yours – here is the link –


Please practice distancing from the Biased BBC and wash your hands after having watched or listened to it . Over to you .

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438 Responses to Midweek Thread 13 May 2020

  1. theisland says:

    And here:


    • Fedup2 says:

      Yes Starmer was right and BoJo was wrong . Who ever is briefing BoJo needs firing as he really is looking as though he is not on top of his brief and floundering in front of starmer – who I find repulsive – at the PMQs.

      The NHS policy Starmer quotes was a death warrant for Some elderly and their carers – with our without adequate PPE

      And if you look at the number of non NHS carers who have died – it’s as many at the ‘hero’ medical profession Who have plenty to shout and clap for them


      • StewGreen says:

        Fed “the guidance issued related to the situation at the time and has since changed. ”
        “it stopped being used on 13th March”
        And indeed Starmer in his speech said the guidance applied up until March 12th



        • Fedup2 says:

          Stew – yes – thanks – I know the policy developed but that policy at that time – was crazy Without hindsite .

          And as it emerges that people dying in care homes without Paliative care – if true and widespread – would be a disgrace too .


    • G says:

      Oh, ingesting disinfectant again?


      • Fedup2 says:

        If that comment is for me – I don’t understand it .


        • G says:

          Tetchy, tetchy. I was referring to SG’s previous contribution i.e. “It is therefore unlikely that anyone receiving care in a care home or the community will become infected”.


  2. StewGreen says:

    Libmob as they criticise every tiny bit of the government
    … “we are only holding the government to account”

    Libmob to NHS ” clap clap clap , true heroes, every single one of you”
    … So they don’t hold the NHS to account


  3. StewGreen says:

    That black station worker that died after being spat on
    The dates are not too long
    … but could be too short.

    \\ Belly Mujinga, 47, was on the concourse of Victoria station in London
    on March 22 when a member of the public who said he had Covid-19 spat and coughed at her and a colleague.

    Within days of the assault, both women fell ill with the virus.

    Ms Mujinga, a mother to 11-year-old Ingrid, was admitted to Barnet Hospital and put on a ventilator but died on April 5//
    “was taken to hospital on 2 April and died on 5 April.”

    That is exactly 2 weeks
    That seems like the short end as typically it’s a month
    Week 1 incubation , week2 infection comes up, contact NHS, get treated .. week 3 struggle on ventilator
    So there is a chance she already had been infected.
    Hangon some one says “it is said to already have underlying respiratory issues” OK that might make the dates fit better, but doesn’t prove it.


    Amnesty uses money donated for prison reform
    to promote the case


    • Up2snuff says:

      Stew, once you are infected, that’s it – you have the virus. Correct me if I’m wrong (and any medics reading, do join in if you have time at present) the next stage is that your immune system resists it.

      The succes of that depends on various factors: 1) any undiagnosed pre-existing condition, 2) any diagnosed pre-existing condition eg. diabetes, cancer, heart & lung kidney transplantee, dialysis patient, etc., etc., 3) natural predilections (I have one lung-wise as a kid, that seems to have returned since I had funny Morecambe ‘flu’; on top of that I have various allergies. Makes me vulnerable imv and therefore careful), 4. general fitness and robustness of individual’s immune system, and, 5. lifestyle choices that affect same ie. obesity, lack of exercise, smoking, substance abuse, etc., etc..

      Then, if your immune system is successful, you are ill for anything it seems up to four weeks. It is also possible, as I understand it, for an asymptomatic infectee to be an outlier and have the disease but not show for up to around 27/28 days. I have yet to hear (thanks to BBC incompetence and/or dereliction of duty) how infectious an infectee is at that point. I suspect not at all or hardly at all but could be wrong on that.

      That patient then goes through the cycle and may recover in days.

      For the normal infected person it is infection on day zero. Symptoms as soon as +3 days. Immune system fights with/without + ‘flu’ meds/treatment, recovery in +7-+14 (incl. the 3 for symptoms to show) days. If more serious hospitalisation treatment needed, then that may lengthen that recovery time, or be the end, or somewhere in between.

      Testimony of recovered infectees that I have seen or heard suggests a week to four weeks normally, even for the occasional nonagenarian – on BBC w-s t’other day.


      • StewGreen says:

        @Up2snuff “once you are infected, that’s it – you have the virus”
        yep did I say say anything other ?

        but there is an incubation period with Covid that is why it is difficult to stamp on outbreaks , cos the carriers are not obvious. unlike with SARS
        Yep incubation can be 3 days not a week
        Never heard of anyone dying in the first week
        2 weeks is on the low side as I said.
        Whereas if you have resistance then your body can have got over it in 7 days AFTER first symptoms (not 7 days after infection)


        • Up2snuff says:

          Don’t think so.

          You can only treat when symptoms arise – sure – and if they worsen, hospitalise and ramp up treatment if necessary. So, if you have Covid-19 infection and are asymptomatic and remain so for four weeks – especially longer – you have become well again. Your body has resisted it. Your immune system is robust.

          A person in that situation needs to hand themselves in to medical researchers right now!

          On the other hand, if you remain asymptomatic for 27/8 days but then develop symptoms, either you have caught it again and your immune system has folded against the second attack or you are an outlier (and dangerous!) but just need treatment. If the former applies, you are valuable and that person needs to hand themselves in to medical researchers again right now!


    • StewGreen says:

      I think there is quite a chance it was just coincidence.
      If such a worker gets spat on by street nutter claiming to have Covid
      then that nutter is pretty likely not to have Covid.
      Mild cases only last a week, and even then most are not able to run around.
      Another scenario is that she and her colleague had picked it up from another source a few days earlier.


      • JamesArthur says:

        That was my feeling Stew
        No excuse for anyone spitting and they should be hit hard for that

        But again without sounding callous there is no causative evidence but I think we all know why this case has been highlighted in Guardian

        The sad truth is that nowadays the media does not seem to have to show any evidence for their beliefs…correlation is all they need


    • Englands Dreaming says:

      Without wanting to sound callus about somebody’s death. I would say where is the evidence? So far all we have is the claim that she was spat on at work by a man saying he had covid; witnesses, ctv, etc


    • Guest Who says:

      Tragic indeed.

      Which is why there already appears yet another friggin’ petition spinning up.


  4. NorthwestForChange says:

    Who on earth does this man think he is?
    Andy Burnham was doing good until Covid-19 came along – now he’s appointed himself as some sort of Deputy PM for the Greater Manchester Area! Just sick of his daily calling of the Government and continued spotlighting in the BBC!



  5. Beltane says:

    Re earlier posts about Lord Sugar’s April government supporting tweet and its backing on twitter, I dipped into the link supplied from Stewgreen and most of the quotes were anti-Sugar, very lib and significantly pro freedom of the press.
    I just wondered if these are the same twitterati that so frequently and colourfully condemn the ‘rabid-right-wing-tory-press’ or is there some other news source they’re referring to?


    • StewGreen says:

      Anyone know about PeterJukes and the Bylines Times
      his rabidly-anti-Tory online newspaper
      that is not signed up to any regulator ?
      To me it contains obvious FakeNews yet I spot loads of blue ticks routinely retweeting their stuff.


  6. StewGreen says:

    4pm R4 Gotcha journalism & Mood of the nation
    Data journalists are rockstars …. are they ?

    Do journalists have a duty to lift the mood of the nation and look for good news stories?
    Or is that incompatible with speaking truth to power?

    Guests: Beth Rigby,
    Jack Blanchard, editor Politico’s London Playbook,
    Caelainn Barr, Editor of Data Projects at The Guardian,
    John Burn-Murdoch, Senior data-visualisation journalist FT
    Tim Montgomerie, former comment editor of The Times
    Presenter: Andrea Catherwood

    ..I reckon the FT’s data journalism for Covid is agenda driven rubbish.


    • Guest Who says:

      Well. there is a surprise. To impartially debate a topic dear to the BBC’s heart they invite on…

      A rabid Remain idiot from a rival broadcaster.

      A bloke I have not heard of. Maybe pro-Brexit?

      A person of upronouncability from a niche Remain newspaper.

      A journalist from a once respected now derided joke paper. Oh, Remain.

      And Tim ‘whatever else the media is great’ Monty. No idea on his various stands.

      They really are out to get us back in the EU by any means possible.


      • StewGreen says:

        Timothy Montgomerie is a British political activist, blogger, and columnist.
        co-founder of the Centre for Social Justice
        and as creator of the ConservativeHome website,
        which he edited from 2005 until 2013,
        when he left to join The Times.


        • Guest Who says:

          Usually one of few to stray from the hive opinion, but I have seen him join wagon circling too.


    • Guest Who says:

      Rock starts.


  7. Guest Who says:

    Some interesting cross pond parallels.


    Obscure ‘correspondent’ noted for ‘views his own’ at paper headed by ex-DG of the BBC gets invited on like-minded broadcaster to diss Trump. Delivers.

    The article also ponders how the CDC seems given a pass. Maybe they are all ‘heroes’ over there too?

    Probably not an RT on the Jon, Katty, Anthony, Nick list.


  8. StewGreen says:

    Local Radio doing its advert now “Clap for Our carers”

    who said the BBC doesn’t do advertising ?


  9. StewGreen says:

    BBC TVnews
    “A month ago Denmark took the calculated risk of opening schools
    initially the infection rate rose, now it is stable”


    • Lefty Wright says:

      Herd immunity in action then.
      A glimmer of optimism from the BBC? Let’s hope so.


  10. JamesArthur says:

    BBC showing true colours at news R4. Evan D, who I grow to dislike more every time I hear him, starts the programme with lines
    , there seems to be a lot of negativity around how the Government is managing things – not just from the usual sources but the usually supportive newspapers and even Tory MPs…
    No evidence – is this reporting or gossip…?

    And the Unions all backing Labour to stop people working –

    BBC has had a constant stream of negativity ….all day….apparently the Govt hasn’t done anything right

    and Kier Starmer would have been much better (my twist on BBC journalism).

    Jesus, I hope the economy comes back quickly and we can stick it up the BBC’s collective Ar**


    • Mustapha Sheikup al-Beebi says:

      Agree, JA. I hated Edward Mair as presenter of ‘PM’ so much, for his bias and smugness, that I was prepared to give Evan Davis a chance, considering that he was probably another Lefty (what else?) but perhaps more genuinely liberal than socialist. His tone is softer than Mair’s and he can come across as genuinely interested in finding the truth, somewhere between the two political poles. Still, having listened to him a lot in recent times, my opinion of him is going down, although he’s still an improvement on Mair (not difficult).


  11. Deborah says:

    I haven’t listened to Radio 4 news at 5pm for ages but I did today as I started to prepare supper. I had to listen to someone wittering on supposedly about trees but threw in about no marks (presumably vapour trails) in the sky and that she could hear the larks. It seemed to go on for ages but maybe my prep for supper didn’t take long.
    I think it was better than fake news from Evan but it didn’t really inform me what is happening in the world. Hadn’t the BBC kept on 450 additional people in the news room. It was obvious they could find any news. They might have been better considering and supporting the briefing by the Housing Minister. He was being very positive and I presume those 450 ‘journalists ‘ hadn’t found the line to take or the holes to pick yet.


  12. digg says:

    Laura K, BBC off the leash right away at the briefing trying to damn the Government for the care home Coronavirus figures whilst totally ignoring all the other positive statements made by the Minister.

    So she obviously came with a preconceived plan.

    Consider the situation Laura…

    1. Covid is a very dangerous disease and especially so for people already in fragile health, many of whom are already facing end-of-life situations.

    2. Most occupants of care home are elderly and/or very frail and often being physically incapacitated require a lot of hands-on attention from the staff to take care of their day-to-day cleanliness and hygiene..

    3. Care home managers have no option but to allow their staff to enter and exit the home each day as otherwise the occupants would have no support. Thus the risk of transmission is much higher than in most other scenarios and there is pretty well no practical way to eliminate it.

    4. Care homes were very quick to block visits from relatives etc. I know this from personal experience.

    5. Care home residents cannot social distance themselves.

    This is the reason that sadly the death rate is so much higher in care homes than in other situations and I can see no way that any Government could handle this differently.

    It’s a sad fact of life.

    I can see and understand all of he above but Brownie points to the BBC, job done Laura!


    • taffman says:

      What about The WHO and China ? Al Beeb never points the finger that way .


    • digg says:

      And within minutes…


      “Reaction as Government CHALLENGED on care homes…”

      This so obviously prepared well in advance main headline feature on the BBC website.

      Well done Laura, now go home and put your feet up!


    • Beltane says:

      Each and every aspect entirely true dig, but it’s still a gift of a scenario-stick to beat the government with.
      Care homes, by their very nature, are ‘God’s Waiting Rooms’. They only exist because children usually cannot or sometimes will not assume responsibility for aged and infirm parents.
      We cared for my senile mother for 16 heartbreaking and stressful months, giving her the largest room downstairs and living in the kitchen, before we had to admit defeat and got her into a truly wonderful private home. The Liverpool Pathway eventually took her, incontinent and uncommunicative, at 101 and that was the kindest act of a dedicated team.
      The best care homes will be in despair at the situation, others will milk it for all they are worth and, to their utter shame, the media seem only too keen to help twist the knife every way they can.


      • theleftwilleatitself says:

        Well said digg.
        These people are not journalists. Journalists should turn up to a briefing or a crime scene etc with no pre-conceived ideas, narrative or bias and just report without bias! ????
        Activists turn up to said events WITH pre-conceived ideas, a pre-conceived narrative and bias and slant the report to suit this same bias to suit their agenda! ????
        Laura Keunnsberg and al beeb are a disgrace especially as they hide behind the mask of impartiality. ????


      • Lefty Wright says:

        The mainstream media have no shame. Just a so called “liberal”???? agenda. We can only hope that someday we will elect an administration that will point the knife in their direction with intent to use it to remove the poisonous Bias Weed and allow Impartiality to grow.


      • LastChanceSaloon says:

        As I have already reported on this site; my mother elderly and with dementia, was placed in a care home
        by my sister. My sister did this, not because there was any family dispute, but because I could not do it.

        The minimum waged carers at the home were golden and my mother was really happy there.
        This destroyed all of my concerns about such institutions.

        My mother died from neglect at an HNS hospital.

        Numerous NHS hospitals have similar records.
        Including Stafford with not only neglect but abuse, malnutrition, starvation and manslaughter (at best).
        At all NHS such hospitals the experts, the “consultants”, were so expert that they did their daily ward
        visits unable to diagnose symptoms of malnutrition.

        In the current situation the theft of NHS equipment seems to be of epidemic proportions, and nobody
        is surprised (or arrested).

        Envy of the world?

        The public sector, run for the public sector, by the public sector.
        Time this treasonous gravy train hit the buffers at Mach 2.
        Hopefully the hard left Corbynistas have found a seat when it happens.


  13. Guest Who says:

    BBC Ed Guds at play


    BBC News

    Hormone-fed beef and chlorine-washed chicken should remain banned in England, the government has been warned.

    MPs urge UK ban on chlorinated chicken

    A few folk the BBC are on direct dial terms with have sent them a press release.


  14. Sluff says:

    BBC 6 pm news.

    85000 – 100000 cv19 tests a day.
    Guess what?
    The BBC manage to feature an interview with a BAME lady who has not got her test result back.

    Meanwhile on BBC London we see film of people getting off buses and trains within 2 m of each other. Shock. horror.

    To be followed by a report on how Muslims are observing Ramadan.

    And now its over to Laura Doomsberg explaining how to slit your wrists while watching the BBC.


    • Zelazek says:

      The 6pm News is not a professional news broadcast anymore, in my opinion. Every night it is full of irrelevant interviews with ordinary people whining about the trivial inconveniences that the lockdown has brought them. These staged pictures of self-regarding punters emoting in front of the cameras have no place on a national news programme. Tonight it followed a mother and daughter as they first talked on the phone and then met at a wooden picnic table for the first time in seven weeks or something. Even if it hadn’t been completely phoney, this story was of no interest to me – it was not news and it did not inform, educate or entertain. The only thing I got from it was the subliminal message that this BAME family group were now representative of Modern Britons and that Ancient Britons like me better get used to the idea.


  15. digg says:

    I have a question for Laura K to ask the managers of the BBC…

    Because of the situation that many people will find themselves in at the end of this crisis, i.e unemployed, in debt etc, Will you consider shedding some of the over 22,000 BBC staff currently enjoying full pay at the expense of the public and reducing the massive pay packets of those at the top so that you can finance a reduction (or furlough) of the licensing fee to help those who do not enjoy this protection yet are forced by law pay for their salaries?


    • Scroblene says:

      Excellent comment, Digg.

      The bloated bunch of autocue-readers and their under-managers are doing nothing to bolster the expectations of UK Inc, they just poke their grubby little fingers at faked -up stats which nobody really cares about’

      I know we always say that Laura gets on our tits, but it isn’t her, she’s just being told what to do by a fearsome leftie crowd of shadowy figures, hiding in W1AA and doubtless with the sanction of even nastier people, intent on rubbishing my country.

      We used to like watching the evening news, even breakfast when they had decent presenters, and fewer lefties, but not any more.

      Can’t be arsed, they lie all the time anyway.


      • BRISSLES says:

        and 80% of £100,000 + is ?? nice little monthly earner for doing sod all. Makes a mockery of those struggling on a couple of hundred and not knowing if there is a job at the end of this.


  16. Guest Who says:

    Fascinating observing the bbc in operation.


    • StewGreen says:

      mate you have to put up the child tweet first so it shows them both

      I really do believe that she’s been so frightened by Momentum’s orchestrated campaign falsely repeating that she is Pro-Tory, that she now bends over backwards to please Labour.


      • smoogie7 says:

        Disgusting bias!


        • Fedup2 says:

          Kuensberg is so corrupt that she sees the important questions Starmer was putting to the PM as a game where someone gets ‘beaten ‘.

          I don’t know – as a state funded journalist – how she can publish such biased comments without suffering a punishment – perhaps being excluded from government briefings or sent to BBC 3 or the ‘Asian network ‘…


          • Darcy3 says:

            F2 correction: black asian mostly muzzie network, it is racist, totally ignoring the quarter of the worlds population who are asian but not the right colour


          • smoogie7 says:

            It has gotten to the stage now were I am not even surprised at anything the BBC do. Well they should take into account that Johnson knows what they are up to and the time will come when they lose the license fee. There can be no other alternative now. Enough is enough


    • Thatcherrevolutionary says:

      BBC suffers when they don’t have the threat of jail to fund them.


  17. StewGreen says:

    Local ITV news were proud to bring us every tourist area voice they could find who would say “stay away”.
    They all held to the same narrative,
    “if we open up we’ll be overun with crowds”

    I think such beach towns missed a trick they should have said
    “We want control numbers so on Saturday we’ve invited 100 hospital worker families to space outdown the beach
    .. and we are asking everyone else to stay away.

    … then on Sunday we’ve invited 100 delivery driver families” etc.


    • Eddy Booth says:

      The nation is terrified.
      Wonder who helped plant that…
      Guess if the government stopped the furlough welfare scheme etc, people might be more welcoming to day trippers and tourism.


  18. StewGreen says:

    Local news : long item from Boston : the funeral of Hindu male nurse very large thing though social distanced
    procession via hospital where crowds clapped it
    via the house, where the coffin is brought in
    procession for the neighbours
    crowds at the crematorium carpark, 14 allowed in.


  19. Eddy Booth says:

    Radio 4 podcast from 4 .30 pm show today
    Starts at 7 mins
    Talks about the government’s policy of protecting the NHS capacity, to the point they abandoned looking after the old, stopped bothering to admit care home residents to hospital for Covid and even encouraged sending them to the homes for treatment, thus seeding the disease there.
    Looks especially callous, when the Covid influx never even materialised, and the wards remained underused.


    • Fedup2 says:

      Eddy – politicians didn’t give a damn or talk about this up until now – and nor did the MSM- Theres a lot of resistance to holding the government /NHS to account – as has been seen on this site . Quite a few people are going to hell for what they’ve done to the most defenceless .


  20. Dave S says:

    I last about 2 minutes watching the MSM. It now has only one function and that is to blame and blame the government for everything.
    It is not new. It is a particularly insidious type of propaganda designed to damage the nation and one has to ask why.
    Stripping out the conspiracy theories I have concluded that it is because the whole lot of them not only despise their country but at heart despise them selves.
    They feel inadequate and think that the rest of us are like them.We are not.


  21. Guest Who says:

    Bites lip.


  22. smoogie7 says:

    Has anyone else noticed that the Telegraph is turning into the Gurdian more and more each day with their pro Starmer/ Anti Boris stance?

    In other words they are sounding like another BBC newsletter


    • Burgsey says:

      Thats worrying, it’s the last of the middle of the road paper, politically. The Times has now been lost to the left.


      • smoogie7 says:

        I won’t bother with the Times after the rubbish they posted the other week but there is a severe lack of balance in the media at the moment. Really it should not be a big worry as it is not like we are anywhere near another election but to think that the Telegraph which a few months ago was still worth the read has gone Starmer mad shows that it is the media who are being brainwashed and not the public


    • Bulldog says:


      Starmer is being very astute and infiltrating the traditional Tory press like the Times and Telegraph by giving them “constructive” articles. After all, the national press is desperate for copy and anything anti Government is de rigeur these days. Typical insurgent divide and rule tactic.

      Watching the Channel 4 program which the Mail just trailed as how South Korea successfully handled covid. Turns out to be a hatchet job as it is a straight comparison with the U.K. , you can guess the rest.


    • Ian Rushlow says:

      Nearly 40 years ago, I had a conversation with a member of the then Communist Party of Great Britain about newspapers and the media. He explained that one day, the message from the Morning Star through to the Daily Telegraph and everything inbetween, would be exactly the same, but just packaged appropriately for the different target audiences. At the time it seemed ridiculous, as the Daily Telegraph was very much a right-wing publication with support for the Monday Club, Enoch Powell, Rhodesia etc. But, he was right, wasn’t he?


  23. Guest Who says:

    BBC News

    The mother of Ahmaud Arbery, who was killed while out running near his home in Georgia, believes “there will be justice” for her son’s killing.

    The 25-year-old was shot by a white father and son in an attack his family say was clearly racist.

    (via Newsbeat) bbc.in/2WMymtO


    Usually the bbc can rely on FB to fall in line.

    No longer.


  24. Fedup2 says:

    I’m guessing the behaviour of the Deputy leader of the Labour Party – Angie Rayner – isn’t going to feature in any in depth investigation by Newsnight or Toady .

    Ms Rayner pre ordered a pair of shoes £192 – Star Wars specials but was allegedly let down by the shop . So she wrote a letter of complaint – on Headed Commons Notepaper .

    It beggars belief that someone so thick and unknowing could become an MP – yet alone Deputy Leader of HM Opposition .

    Spoiler alert

    I don’t know if she got the shoes ….


  25. taffman says:

    “We will have summer tourist season, promises EU”
    A positive story from Al Beeb promoting the EU or are they just ‘whistling in the dark’ ?


  26. taffman says:

    “Coronavirus: Welsh ‘frustration’ as England’s property market restarts”
    People in Taffland are getting fed up of the Welsh Assembly.


  27. theisland says:

    ‘Senior officials’


  28. JimS says:

    Just looking out of my window I see that the lamp post across the road has gained some repeater speed limit signs since this morning.

    Not the BBC, yet, but how long before councils all over the country are bleating about loss of business rates and all the extra work they are expected to do and the BBC will give them a ready platform.

    Don’t expect any, “But why Mrs Chief Executive on £200k p.a. did you fritter money on speed limit signs that no-one obeys, and was that work essential, and weren’t you putting those workers at risk?”


  29. StewGreen says:

    Jeremy Vine … people thought this tweet proves he is not impartial.
    He agrees cos he deleted it.


  30. taffman says:

    \\”Coronavirus: Chancellor Rishi Sunak warns of ‘significant recession’//
    Beware ! That this could be used to delay or prevent Brexit .


  31. Fedup2 says:

    Has anyone got a source for non hospital reported covid deaths for today – I’m trying to find out the number of dead in care homes but the government sites don’t seem to be carrying non hospital deaths any more …..

    Changing data presentation – as the government is doing now – is a sure sign of wanting to bury bad news . It won’t work ….

    …it’s all important to me because my health trust has the second highest number of deaths in the country – Birmingham Being the worst .


    • StewGreen says:

      @Fed, Incorrect there is a bar graph which shows in different colours hospital deaths, care homes, community
      They usually show it at the daily briefing.

      Here’s one from last week


      • StewGreen says:

        These ONS stats are delayed cos it takes 2 weeks to sort them out


        • StewGreen says:

          Ganesh tweets a lot of info
          You can get care home deaths by deducting his estimate of hospital deaths from the daily death total (which is never actually the deaths that happened in the last 24 hours)


        • StewGreen says:

          ONS tweet
          A number of reports today are citing a study by the LSE and claiming that official figures of deaths in care homes are seriously under-estimated
          Some reports suggest that ONS have only reported 8.3k excess deaths in care homes
          This is incorrect



      • Fedup2 says:

        I don’t think they are doing that format any more in order to cover up what they have allowed / caused to happen now .


        • StewGreen says:

          @Fed Are you in conspiracy theory mode ?
          They can’t cover up care home deaths
          each one has a death certificate
          I can see they don’t share the graphs at ever daily briefing
          but the data is there in spreadsheets somewhere.


          • Fedup2 says:

            Yes it may well be that I see a conspiracy . I cannot find the recent equivalent of the chart you put up . I’ve looked through excel sheets on Public Health England – search engines don’t return the numbers for yesterday or the day before .

            I believe the majority of Covid deaths are now non hospital – there must be large numbers of NHS staff doing sod all knowing that the public is now rightly frightened of going to hospital – picking up covid – and if over 60 maybe not coming out .

            I won’t be getting upticks for saying this – but I won’t blindly support a government which has allowed this to happen with people saying ‘ well care homes are private businesses ‘ – that is not an excuse when in reality there are part of the NHS –

            Or – were – because they were cut loose.

            I don’t think they’d be so many fools clapping Thursday night if they knew what’s happened


  32. Jeff says:

    Yesterday’s The World at One was unusually interesting.
    Sarah Montague interviewed a retired epidemiologist, who sounded a darned sight more sensible than most.
    He queried the long term benefits of the lockdown. “Unless we turn into North Korea people will have to be allowed out.”
    The point he was making was that there is no cure for this virus and no vaccine any time soon. Younger people are showing very good resistance and a substantial number of the older victims already had health problems. The old and the vulnerable will need protecting, but that doesn’t mean we put the whole of society into an economic coma.
    He wasn’t being callous, just pointing out the futility of a damaging, long term lockdown.

    The only benefit it has afforded us is that we now have massive over capacity in the much revered NHS.
    He even had the temerity to mention Sweden. I could hear poor old Montague gasping for air. Crikey, it sounded like she was going down with something!

    Sweden were warned that by the beginning of May their death toll would exceed 40,000. It’s a little over 3,000.
    By July they were told unless they obeyed orders it would be over 80,000. Quite clearly, thank God, these apocalyptic predictions are massively awry.
    I think it’s time for our government to accept they’ve made a boo boo.

    Some of the more repulsive, left wing unions will play this for all they’re worth. The teachers being a prime example. They’ll be backed by the likes of the SNP, the Labour Party and (of course) their state sponsored propagandists at the BBC.
    If posties, bus drivers, railway workers and shop assistants can get to work then so can the bloody teachers. Blimey, they’ll be off soon for their six weeks holiday anyway.

    Oh, by the way, I’m worried…
    “Journalists” at the BBC aren’t used to having to listen to this sort of thing. It could prove to be fatal.

    Has anyone heard how poor old Sarah’s doing?


  33. Guest Who says:

    Shared purely for the tucked away gem of a highlight, that is ‘Stormzy in his slippers’.


    • StewGreen says:

      “Weekly reach” is a BS metric
      It’s not REAL viewers
      cos it counts drive bys


    • theleftwilleatitself says:

      Aaaah, they’re just one big cosy impartial family aren’t they! ????


    • Northern Voter says:

      Laughing all the way to the bank!


  34. StewGreen says:

    Youtube : “We pay the licence fee for them to brainwash us with their constant woke propaganda”


  35. vlad says:

    Is Al-beeb covering this? I’m sure they will as soon as they hear about it. After all, they’re big on wimmin’s rights, right?


    Christian Girls Being Kidnapped, Raped and Forcibly Converted During Ramadan


  36. Nodding Dog says:

    Finished work just before midnight got in the car and thought I’d see what show was on Radio 5Live.As I tuned in I was greeted by the dulcet tones of Sir Billy of Bragg singing a cover version of Times they are a Changin.I say cover version as he’d changed the lyrics somewhat to…

    The climate is obviously changing
    But the fool in the Whitehouse says no ones to blame
    Come Mexicans,Muslims,LGBT and Jews keep your eyes wide for whats in the news as President Trump is expressing his views.

    Not sure what the next line was as there was some interference and listening to it again on my phone it’s the same sounds like they deliberately blanked out a word.It was something about Trump what ever it was you could hear the other people chuckling in the background.

    It’s times like this I’m thankful for this site where I can vent my anger otherwise I’m sure I would’ve put my fist through the radio!


  37. Guest Who says:

    BBC ‘News’ on Facebook.

    “It’s kind of like a science fiction movie, but it’s real.”

    Robert De Niro tells BBC Newsnight’s Emily Maitlis about life in New York during the coronavirus outbreak, the country’s leadership and the upcoming 2020 US election.


    So BS calls, or is called by a deranged Dem TDS luvvie loon worth millions for sociological insights on the ground and a political briefing.



  38. Guest Who says:

    Bbc sofa sloths pitching to the core.

    Larger units are surely available?


    • theleftwilleatitself says:

      I find it very difficult to take anything a man in his mid-forties says seriously, wearing a Back to the Future t-shirt with mainly pink lettering ????


  39. Guest Who says:

    It’s the way she tells ‘em.


  40. Guest Who says:

    Feel a bit sorry for the lad.

    Perhaps not one BBC Young Reporter will be profiling.


  41. Celtic_Mist says:

    Boris replied to Starmer’s letter and naturally R4 did not correctly quote from it..

    (NB – PHE is operationally independent from government)

    Starmer left out the first half of the sentence highlighted.


      • The WestWyvern says:

        It didn’t go so well for Bliars Lawyer, SurKweer Charmer in the end.

        His smarmy performance at the dispatch box was not so forensic as ‘Our Laura’ gushed about in her tweets.

        Even the Beeboid covering ‘the day in parliament’ had to concede that the PM would not, after issuing his letter to the leader of the opposition – be rushing back to ‘correct’ things as initially SurKweer had demanded.


    • JamesArthur says:

      Funny Celtic

      The BBC and Jabba Morgan (pt a bit of weight on hasn’t he) are still banging on this morning about the Govt getting it wrong in care homes

      I am still amazed that few of them mention that around 85% of care homes in UK are private and the responsibility for occupants is between them and the NHS – it is not the Govt’s job to micro manage..

      Whilst the BBC keep saying this is ‘unprecedented’ apparently they can’t accept on that basis nobody knew the right thing to do at the start…
      Except the media and the Labour party


      • dfhunter says:

        @JamesArthur May 14, 2020 at 9:54 am

        As you say “around 85% of care homes in UK are private” & in the good times before this virus, they were making good profits from the homes.

        now they want taxpayer bailouts!!


    • LastChanceSaloon says:

      Next time we have the benefit of Cur Queer Stammer at PMQs Boris should say the following :-

      We would like the report on racist Muslim grooming gangs to be as accurate as possible. Please write to me to confirm whether the report should state that the number of rapes covered up by the CPS, as instructed by yourself, when head thereof, was 800,000 or 1,000,000.


  42. Celtic_Mist says:

    BBC Online is biased but useful – BBC Online under ‘Technology’

    My question is will the UK trace app work effectively on iPhones?

    “Under the centralised model, the anonymised data gathered is uploaded to a remote server where matches are made with other contacts, should a person start to develop Covid-19 symptoms.

    This is the method the UK is pursuing.

    By contrast, the decentralised model gives users more control over their information by keeping it on the phone. It is there that matches are made with people who may have contracted the virus. This is the model promoted by Google, Apple and an international consortium.

    “Part of the problem is that ‘TraceTogether’ [Singapore] does not work properly when in the background on iPhones because of the way Apple restricts use of Bluetooth. The firm has promised to waive these curbs, but only if apps fall into line with its decentralised system


  43. Guest Who says:

    The sequel to Red?


  44. AsISeeIt says:

    Suddenly the BBC appears to have acknowledged that NHS waiting lists may not be due entirely to the one issue of a lack of funding.

    This report hints at organisational and staff issues causing slow responses to patient care.


    ‘Coronavirus: Re-starting NHS ‘may take months”

    ‘Everything from cancer care and routine surgery to district nursing services have been disrupted across the UK by the coronavirus pandemic.’

    ‘At the end of April, ministers said it was time to restore services.’

    ‘But three think tanks said reorganising services, coupled with the need for more personal protective equipment and extra cleaning, meant it would be some time before the NHS was back fully.’

    ‘…staff were exhausted because they had been working flat out and needed time to recover.’

    Perhaps they should leave off the Tik Tok dance rountines and take a nap between shifts?

    But seriously, considering the government have thrown the kitchen sink at the NHS in terms of cash, how long do we reckon it will be before the BBC goes back to blaming funding cut backs as the one and only cause of those inevitable and perennial waiting lists?


    • JamesArthur says:

      Staff exhausted..and working flat out?
      Yes, I am sure some are but I know a lot of people in NHS and they are definitely not…
      when will the media stop making out everyone in NHS is a bloody workaholic hero angel…
      my niece is a paramedic in London and she texted me a few weeks ago saying, it’s pretty good now, not too stressful…


  45. Guest Who says:

    OT, but… the BBC gob pool seems to be losing employment status.


  46. Guest Who says:

    Given the career track of those BS supports, Charlie best watch out.

    BBc News

    “It’s like the world has reached into my head and stolen some of my nightmare fuel.”

    Satirist Charlie Brooker speaks to BBC Newsnight’s Emily Maitlis about the magnitude of coronavirus, life imitating fiction and his new show, Antiviral Wipe.



    • Guest Who says:

      The thread discussion following this will not be one to reassure Charlie, Emily or the BBC.

      A reasoned first post from a claimed experienced sector worker, followed by a bunch of Charlie groupies, responded to calmly and forensically by other experienced voices.

      The BBC trying to sh*t stir using BS and luvvies is not cutting through.


  47. Northern Dreamer says:

    BBC radio Lincolnshire this morning talking to Head Teachers and other local Health Officials…
    HT – we can’t guarantee that there might not be some risk from re-opening schools…..so we shouldn’t go back yet (I presume sometime in 2036 might be acceptable?)
    HO – (when prompted if he agreed to housing market and schools reopening) no, I’m not comfortable with it, it may be too early and we don’t fully understand the virus and risks..
    Why are people so risk averse? Is it litigation? Is it the public sector? the unions? It’s a good job many people are prepared to accept some risk, otherwise the supermarket shelves would be EMPTY!!!


    • StewGreen says:

      BBC trick of ringing around people, until they find the CORRECT view to air ?


  48. Guest Who says:

    BBC in the seedier end of its happy place.


  49. StewGreen says:

    I guess there is BBC staff guidance that says a NEWS story must have FRAMING before it is read out .
    This framing tells us “what to think”

    “Trump he has done it again, he has said …… ”
    “The government has had a lot of criticism and now ….”
    “We’ll clap for NHS workers tonight and now ….”


  50. Foscari says:

    The Chinese communist government have succeeded in
    destroying the economies of the west by at the very least
    their Machiavellian “export” of the Xi Jinping virus. That
    war they have won.
    However there are even bigger worries to come our way
    involving China ,if one thought that was possible. Actual “HOT”
    Wars against for a start against Taiwan. Then one must start to
    think ,what with their control of the WHO and their cyber
    hacking , what else have they got control of?
    We hear very little condemnation of them on the BBC. We all
    know who comes out of the woodwork when there is a
    crisis in the UK and sound like they are latter day Lord Haw-Haw’s
    reporting from Berlin. However this time its from either Salford
    or London.
    Now some of the most influential trade union leaders are
    once again beginning to flex their muscles during a national
    crisis .
    Of course we all know that patriotic democratic union leaders
    such as Len McCluskey and others would in no way wish to
    harm the UK during a national crisis. In no way would
    McCluskey want a political set up as they have in China, would he? Thank god the Chinese don’t control the likes of somebody
    like him, or the BBC.