370 Responses to Start The Week Thread 18 May 2020

  1. Oldspeaker says:

    “Coronavirus: Young people ‘most likely to lose work’ in lockdown”
    No arguments with the above, the claim came from the Resolution Foundation. If your interested in a job with them you can start here.
    Bit like the six degrees of separation, only with the bbc and guardian its five less.


  2. Foscari says:

    I wake up in the morning and look at the BBC website and
    keep asking myself am I getting more paranoid towards
    the BBC ?
    I find the leader page and do something I do when I am checking
    a football score on ” Live Score” when I have had a bet. I cover
    up the score and gradually take my hand away.
    I do the same with the lead picture on the BBC website. Because
    I know I am going to see an ethnic picture. I think that one day
    I am not going to see it, BUT my paranoia is increased because
    there it is again.
    My paranoia seems to be boundless because I am beginning
    to believe that the BBC supports the Chinese Communist
    Party and could actually be under it’s control to become the
    number one propaganda mechanism in the west for the
    totalitarian state.
    Somebody please help me!!


  3. infoquest says:

    On Spiked – The BBC Has Lost The Plot



    • Guest Who says:

      When… did it last have it?


      • Fedup2 says:

        I disagree with spiked online . I don’t want the BBC to survive . So if it’s huge management thinks closing BBC4 is a good idea then go for it . Alienate the age group who use it further and go for the age range already hooked on Netflix , prime , Apple and the rest – because there will be no contest .
        What is it they say ? American TV is in a Golden Age ? Yes agreed . The drama output is several levels above anything British TV produces now .

        This is because of our ‘ tick box ‘ favourite which frightens original writing into an ever tighter formula .

        So close BBC4 – sink it into the Asian network , yoof TV , EUTV and watch even more taxpayers drift away ever quicker ….

        ….once the Chinese virus ends and people are no longer locked in front of ‘cash in the attic? – the show about buying buildings and so much trash together with Pravda news – the BBC will be even more rejected than it already is . Can’t wait . Dump your licence . It’s easy .


        • BRISSLES says:

          My first thought when this idea was first mooted, was ‘that’s it – all vestiges of decent programming that the BBC was once hailed for, is now getting the boot”.

          Where will I now get my ‘fix’ of Scandi thrillers, and other decent dramas, as well as intelligent documentaries ? I refuse to pay another monthly fee for the odd decent programme on Netflix, and Talking Pictures (and now Sony Classics) provide this old film buff with watchable films.

          The bloody ‘yoof’ – who don’t even know what a tv licence is, let alone pay for one, aren’t interested in the output of the BBC whether its for their age group or not. It hasn’t worked in the past when Janet Streete-Porter was employed to raise the ‘yoof’ profile of the BBC, and if money is to be saved then they should offload all the high earners, but that’s too simple for the brain dead lefties at the Corporation.


          • Fedup2 says:

            Paying £6? A month for Netflix – after 3 months of membership has proved well worth the money . I really don’t bother with the BBC any more – and I’m beyond the 50 number .
            How the BBC will try to take on subscription channels is beyond me . But I think it is excellent for those wanting to see a real shake up when the Royal Charter is due for renewal .

            I can’t see the government doing much to the BBC until then sadly .


            • BRISSLES says:

              Maybe its me, but a friend who has Netflix showed me the selection of films available, and in the main they seemed to be aimed at a younger audience. I’m not into comic book heros, inane comedies, or those that go straight to video, so it may be only £6 a month for the odd series like the Crown, but I already fork out for Sky, so I’ll make do with that.


  4. JamesArthur says:

    Andy Burnham on yet again!!!!! By my reckoning he has been on BBC TV or radio every day for at least the last 10 days….Is he the new Labour Leader? Always gets an easy ride…wonder why?

    Off button and BBC gone ….


  5. Guest Who says:

    OT, but the MSM seem pretty in lockstep on gotchas.

    This by the End of the Piers Show posted yesterday; a classic ‘here’s two we found, or found us’ voxpop guvbash.

    The you find out the real story in the comments.

    Which could…


    • StewGreen says:

      “She had Huntingdons disease which is horrible,
      the fact this wasn’t brought out says something about the daughters and @GMB ”

      “Is this the same Ruth Binsley who is a TV Producer who has produced shows for ITV ? ”
      “who happened to be the producer of his Piers Trump TV programme”


  6. AsISeeIt says:

    Large scale immigration and that net economic benefit question.

    Here’s tale of ‘significant additional resources’

    “A young woman shot dead near a supermarket was not the intended target, officers have said.”


    “[She] was one of four siblings and lived in Blackburn after travelling to the UK about nine years ago, her cousin Hassan told the BBC.”

    “Her family was waiting for the investigation to finish so they could take her body back to Lebanon to be buried in her home village Qlaileh, he said.”

    “Three men, aged 33, 36, and 39 from Blackburn have been arrested on suspicion of murder and are in custody.”

    “Police said the force was not treating the killing as a terror-related incident and also did not believe it was racially-motivated”

    [I think, given our prior experience of the BBC’s journalistic house-style, we can safely speculate on the ethnicity of the three arrested ‘men’ not being of English heritage]

    [The Plod have this to say] “We appreciate this will have caused a lot of worry in the community, but we have deployed significant additional resources, including armed officers, to carry out high-visibility patrols in the area to provide reassurance to residents.”

    [significant additional resources]


    • Nodding Dog says:

      “[She] was one of four siblings and lived in Blackburn after travelling to the UK about nine years ago, her cousin Hassan told the BBC.”

      Another one of (atleast) four siblings here https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-52716525
      Mohammed and Mohammed, who are brothers despite the different spelling of their surnames, appeared in court on Monday accused of assisting an offender.

      Not to mention those people carting a body around the Forest of Dean in a suitcase last week.

      Wonder if the BBC will be asking why you’re more likely to be the victim of murder if you’re BAME just like they did with Covid19


    • StewGreen says:

      “More than £35,000 has been raised to help build a mosque in memory of Aya Hachem, a Salford University student who was shot dead “


      • Guest Who says:

        Any young person of faith might want to ponder the precedent of this if the local elders think they need another tax-exempt land stake in the area.


  7. vlad says:

    Trump calls the WHO a “puppet of China”.

    Expect much indignant huffing and puffing from the beeb in defence of one of their beloved globalist sacred cows.



    • Guest Who says:

      The huffing, and likely puffing, will likely be from a bbc proxy ‘expert’ whose history they prefer to keep mysterious behind exciting academic titles, per…


  8. Guest Who says:

    When two brain cells meet… on Skype.

    “What did we lehrn today, children?”

    “That peroxide is not recommended outside the chemistry lab, Miss?”


  9. Fedup2 says:

    Ah Becky Wrong Daily – not a natch blond then … was she introduced as one of the MPs who nominated Corbyn to be Labour leader – and who dismally was nominated by comrade Corbyn to be Labour Leader ?
    And her opinion is of value ?


  10. infoquest says:

    In The Times (behind the paywall) Times Radio ‘will avoid old adversarial approach’


    I was really looking forward to this new radio station. As another commenter says, the door is wide open.

    I like the ethos of LBC. The presenters’ views, biases and foibles are already known, accepted and out in the open, without any pretence to be ‘unbiased’ as per the BBC. And in the phone-ins, listeners with different views are allowed to air their opinions without being shut down (again, as per the BBC).

    However I was hugely disappointed when I found out what the presenters line-up was for Times Radio. All the presenters have the same BBC Remainer pro-EU anti-Trump standpoint, which suggests that, despite the good words, it will just be more of the same.

    So, I think that the door will still be wide open for something different – something more akin to The Spectator and Spiked. I’d love to hear more from Sumption and Liddle and Brendan; people who can challenge the listeners in the right way.


  11. Fedup2 says:

    Not BBC

    But I’m intrigued – has any one heard of what has happened to Len Deighton ?

    You might recall that HMG appointed Lenny the PPE Czar – in the midsts of the PPE propaganda war . He being a peer – was meant to sort it out .

    He hasn’t had a guest spot on the daily HMG snooze briefing hour and no sign on any media I look at ….

    Is the PPE crisis ( of the NHS own making ) over ? Or did the snowflakes just get bored listening to lovely doctors and nurses wingeing whilst their colleagues were taking it home as a ‘perk of the job ‘ ?


    • theisland says:

      Deighton seems to have had something to do with securing the Honeywell contract to make 70 million face masks.

      The bBC don’t give him a mention him though

      This, and the fact that Adonis is asking questions about conflicts of interest may mean that Deighton is just quietly getting on with the job [?], although NF appears unconvinced.


      • Fedup2 says:

        Thanks – the pandemic is as much about media control as much as the NHS spreading covid into carehomes whilst we all clap as required …

        And ..the media battle was lost long ago . UK press gazette moans often about how Public Health England
        Just says ‘no’ – such as refusing requests to visit or get any detail about the Nightingale warehouses …..

        Perhaps that’s why a lot of those medics we see will be pensioned off once this mess is over and PHE squared up through ‘reform ‘ – somehow the self serving medical profession as a long record of resisting change – unless there’s more money and less work …


  12. richard D says:

    BBC Radio 4 Today programme this morning circa 8:00 am. Breathless waiting for the first quarter unemployment fiures, trailed repeatedly earlier in the run-up to the data release. Hugh Pym invited to tell us the bad news by one of the female Beeboid newsreaders in charge this morning, deflatedly announces the number to be ‘a bit of a damp squib’, since there had been negligible change in figures from previous quarters.

    What ho, Mr Pym…. clearly disappointed that not enough people had lost their jobs, eh ? Not providing a big negative headline for the left-wing BBC, eh ? Never mind, there was always the inevitable rise in benefits claims in April (as a direct result of an external influence – Covid-19) to brighten up your morning.

    Sort of puts you in mind of another Beeboid newsreader, a certain Ms Mishal Husain, who despondently made it clear that Jews weren’t being killed by Hamas in enough numbers to satisfy her a few years ago.

    Also noted that the Resolution Foundation is still being touted as an ‘Independent’ think tank by the BBC, despite its obvious left-leaning tendencies.


  13. StewGreen says:

    Both JHB & Kofi Smiles took time to have a dig at Trump for taking CHQ as a prophylactic.
    .. It’s interesting that they ignore a lot of US news
    but make special effort to give time to anything that they can use to have punch at Trump.

    I bet in time they will be recommending something like a herbal remedy for something themselves.
    (Not that CHQ is herbal)


  14. Sluff says:

    Apologies if covered above. Not BBC although I doubt it is a story they would feature.

    A while back I mentioned an acquaintance who tested negative for CV19 on entry to hospital and then later died positive. And I mused why there were no statistics about this eventuality.

    I am indebted to ITV who discovered the reason for this. The authorities have deliberately suppressed the information. Hard data seems impossible to get but, to use terminology often favoured by the BBC, ‘up to ‘ 20% of CV19 hospitals deaths are of patients who tested negative on initial entry. Let’s say the actual figure is half that. It’s still a shocking story. Yet has barely any coverage. And it’s hard to find by googling unless you have a very precise search.

    Googling ‘catching coronavirus in hospital’ followed by either itv or daily mail gets the story. Add bbc though and you get lots of guff but not the key story.



    So we have two major scandals. One is the deaths and the cover up. The other is the BBC refusing to cover it. Absolutely shameful.

    Burying bad news about the NHS is clearly BBC policy.

    At Thursday’s 8pm cult religion event, perhaps we should ‘clap for negative test result patients’. It doesn’t have the right ring but they really needed our support.


    • infoquest says:

      Sluff – Have you seen Toby Young (from The Spectator)’s new website? Lots of stuff on there.


    • StewGreen says:

      @sluff I don’t see there is a cover up there
      Monday someone gets Covid symptoms
      They are brought to hospital and tested
      meanwhile Tuesday their fever comes up
      Wed/Thu the Monday tests results come back negative
      ..well that is cos the test was not done properly or the viral load that day was very low.
      but by Wednesday the hospital won’t care much about the test results, they just keep treating the person cos the symptoms are obvious.

      Not every treatment succeeds so that person dies after being tested again this time positive.

      20% caught in hospital
      I think it could be much more

      Our local papers are sparse on detail
      but almost every case the person didn’t get it in Tescos but from coming into hospital from something else.


      • Sluff says:

        There IS a cover up for the simple reason that the relevant documents were marked as ‘Classified’ and only released six weeks later.

        And to respectfully follow your logic, if the false negative CV test results are running as high as ‘up to ‘ 20% then thats a different but no less serious issue. Which has also had no coverage.


  15. Jeff says:

    From the start of the Covid crisis the World Health Organisation has been a bloody shambles.
    They began by backing China. This was a local and non infectious malady. Nothing much to worry about…
    Then we had the total about face and their advice to lockdown most of the planet.
    Sweden decided to disobey and were told their hospitals would be overwhelmed. Bodies would be stacked up in the streets. It would be a catastrophe. Mortality rates would exceed 40,000 by the beginning of May and 80,000 by July.
    Thankfully these dystopian death rates have been proven totally wrong and at the start of this month Sweden’s Covid mortality was just over the 3,000 mark.
    Last week a couple of WHO officials praised Sweden for their sensible approach to the virus.
    What are they going to tell us next?

    BTW I don’t think their initials, WHO, sufficiently sum up their stunning incompetence.
    I’ve got a rather more apposite acronym for them.
    Instead of WHO…
    How about WTF?


  16. Mustapha Sheikup al-Beebi says:

    Typical bit of casual bias on Radio 4 around 11:10 a.m. by Jolyon Jenkins, in an otherwise interesting prog’ about making ventilators.

    There was a US scientist who said that the British government had issued good clear specifications for what any new ventilator device should do. JJ had to chime in with “so the government got SOMETHING right” and the scientist said “it looks that way from here” [i.e. the US].

    So, at the risk of sounding like a Primary School teacher, the casual lazy narrative from Jenkins is that the government has got nearly everything wrong, with perhaps the odd exception. I wonder if he thinks that the sainted NHS has made any mistakes regarding Covid? The first ten minutes had been promising but then it was back to normal with this piece of sniping from the biased politicized BBC.

    After discussing making concentrated oxygen widely available (rather than worrying about ventilators) JJ finished with “Whatever we do, it will be too much, or too little, or too late.” Typical negative BBC – in that case, why bother doing anything at all? Presumably because saving some lives is better than saving none at all … !!


  17. infoquest says:

    Completely off topic, but I believe some / most of us on here enjoy reading some of the Below The Line comments on pieces.
    Here is an absolut corker – take a look at the number of likes for the original message and the number of likes on the push-backs.


    • StewGreen says:

      Yes UN-Women .. you say avoid using titles which may seem to only favour one sex
      Now what’s your own title again ?


  18. Guest Who says:

    Meanwhile, the bbc makes new friends North of the border.


    • JimS says:

      I take it then that Nicola Sturgeon is going to give up all the powers conferred on her as First Minister?

      Either that or the sisters should buy themselves a dictionary, (they could share one).


  19. Guest Who says:

    Who on earth let that one bottom right in?


    • fakenewswatcher says:

      Guest – Isn’t that the treacherous, anti-British Lord Hall Hall? I’m sure he’ll be more than happy to be counted in as part of ‘diversity’ (destroy Britain).


    • StewGreen says:

      No white men are listed
      A white woman is listed , but not pictured
      @CarolineBinc: Caroline Casey is legally blind


    • Mustapha Sheikup al-Beebi says:

      Yeh, typical BBC: hideously White, male and Right-wing!


    • Tabs says:

      Just looking the the number of replies to the Press Office tweets seems to barely get above 10. I complained to the BBC previously about one of their numerous Twitter accounts with hardly any public
      engagement and the total waste of money employing someone to maintain it.

      Their stock reply was “the BBC try and engage with as many people through many different ways” totally missing the point that the public are not engaging with them at all.


      • Guest Who says:

        Same with the House journal on social media.

        Graun Environment is likely seen only by eco-pols and bbc staff, and hence still has influence way beyond its competence and reach, but even big stories can struggle to get engagement in double figures.

        However the Graun tweet on a bloke fancying his missus’ mum is going gangbusters.


  20. Guest Who says:

    There must be a reason most doctors fielded by the BBC on screen are easy on the eye.

    A bit of #backendofbusism by the producers?


    • StewGreen says:

      There is further irony
      that when BAME unconsciously pick someone cos they are beautiful
      they tend to pick someone who has light skin.


      • Guest Who says:

        Well, the delectable Dr. Bateman was struggling for coverage until she pushed the envelope.

        However her schtick seems on the wane.

        Maybe… if she popped down the tanning salon and self-identified as an Untouchable?


  21. Fedup2 says:

    Encouraging news

    More people who are still watch BBC Pravda false news are noticing how ‘ experts ‘ are being brought on but


    This time it is one professor Susan Michie
    Who was apparently on the BBC Tuesday morning but not introduced as a communist and union organiser .

    I’m not sure how often this technique is being used but it is an added weapon of bias the BBC is ready to use .

    Obviously such people get an easy ride and no opposition challenge . Just the friendly BBC droid feeding the anti government pro left guns


    • theisland says:

      I have to have BBC free days otherwise my blood pressure kicks in . It wont be covid19 that kills us all off , it will be the treachery of the BBC .— Nelson Churchill (@NelsonChurchil3) May 18, 2020


  22. G.W.F. says:

    This fell into my email this morning. I have not read it but the subject is relevant to this site.


  23. Fedup2 says:

    Bbc 1 pm news Tuesday

    Piece on Sweden busily killing off their elderly in care homes ( familiar story ) . A doctor was introduced for a 30 second set of words with the prefix “ right wing critic “

    Subtext – is not one of ours so not worth listening to – despite being a medical doctor –
    His criticism was that the Swedish government was not doing enough for the elderly . That – apparently – is criticism of a Right wing flavour .

    I think both the BBC and NHS have a subtext about the old – they really have little regard for those of whom it doesn’t approve .
    The old boy who raised a load of money for the NHS is approved of – but an ordinary non coloured brit? Low priority – you’ve had your life – you are of no value – please go and die quietly – we won’t even putting you in our stats .

    I’ve felt this for a long time . And the cover up of care home deaths just re inforces this .
    The cover up by the NHS PHE and HMG will carry on well beyond the virus and will be blurred in the coming inquiries .


    • Van Helsing says:


      The ‘get rid of the old’ ball has been rolling for quite a while. I remember reading that some daft old hag in the House of Lords had opined that elderly people should consider euthanasia rather than become a burden on their families or the State. Quite ironic, really, as she was pushing 80 or so and showed no inclination to lead by example.

      The push for ‘assisted dying’ also has dark undertones to it when it comes to the aged. I had to write a formal paper on it some years back and was more than a little concerned by what my research uncovered.


      • Fedup2 says:

        Van – I’ve had too much battle experience with officialdom of both the NHS and so called social services .
        My feelings about it are too strong for this site …


  24. JamesArthur says:

    R4..Good old Gordon Brown..a lovely chat..no interruptions just lovely chat BBC style…Funny I don’t remember him being much good as Prime Minister – in the same Class as Mrs May…

    Now very funny..BBC talking about how the Govt should release all of the findings from a study on opening the schools –

    Strange the BBC didn’t seem to be supporting that about the grooming gangs


  25. davylars says:

    A slight conflict of reporting from the BBC this afternoon.

    Whilst driving home this lunchtime I caught Jeremy Whine interviewing IDS. Who certainly held his own trying to correct Whine about this country having the highest deaths in Europe.
    However this didn’t stop Whine from making his opinion clear that the UK has not dealt with the virus effectively and has the worst record in Europe.

    Anyway I get home to find the BBC lunchtime news on, and a reporter showing us the terrible conditions at the Migrant camps in northern France.
    She is telling us all about the poor illegals desperately trying to get into our country.
    The reason being….. they are afraid of Coronavirus.

    Perhaps our roving reporter on the beach in France should have informed them that the UK is the most unsafe place to be, according to their own reports…


  26. Guest Who says:

    Intervention being staged.

    Uh huh.

    Bet Lewis had both their posters on his wall as a… probably still does.


    • Fedup2 says:

      Does make one wonder what Private citizens like Gordon Brown Could contribute to dealing with a pandemic – my memory is a bit sketchy but I don’t recall one during his thankfully brief squat – unelected – in Number 10 .

      I think the SNP deserves his advice – not the English – who he regards as ‘foreign’ .

      Maybe the ‘foreign governments ‘ who ring up Gordon ask him for his advice and do the opposite – based on his experience of selling gold at the bottom of the market .


  27. StewGreen says:

    @FedUp2 I forgot to say that i have read the Daily Mail article of May 9th
    that claims to have broken the story that Covid19 grannies were send from hospitals to Care Homes
    But it is very light on actual evidence.
    I claims “Manchester whistleblowers said they knew of patients being discharged from hospitals into homes AFTER testing positive without doctors or nurses disclosing”
    ..which of course is illegal, but still the care homes fault cos they can’t go assuming a new admission is Covid-Free.

    Mail said there was guidance on March 7th , that 15,000 beds would be needed for Covid so hospitals should clear out some patients.. and on April 2 guidance was given that Care Homes didn’t need to wait for a negative test certificate.

    The radio expert said yesterday
    Each hospital is divided into a red zone and green zone
    All Covid patients are in the red zone
    So there should be no light thing of discharging a patient from a red zone into a carehome willy nilly.

    I also think the test thing is a red herring .
    A test is no guarantee of a patient’s status
    A patient that tested positive on Monday is not necessarily positive on any other day after.
    It was said if a patient recovers, then they no longer carrying a viral load.
    So if a previously feverish patient seemed well on Tuesday , you could be pretty sure they were safe to leave on Friday.
    That recovered patient is a surer negative than someone with a negative certificate
    cos if a patient tested negative on Monday but had not had the virus already, that doesn’t mean that wouldn’t be positive on Tuesday.
    So the idea that to get into a care home a patient must have a negative cert , but not a positive is wrong.
    It’s no use patients waving their negative test results and returning to a care home , rather they might have it anyway.
    And thus should have been quarantined on return to the home
    It seems Care Homes were not doing this properly.

    The File on 4 prog is repeated tonight.


    • Fedup2 says:

      It’s not just about patients / care home residents – it’s also about various forms of staff – particularly those going from place to place – untested – potentially spreading the virus – with or without PPE or proper training .

      Today – apparently – a D of Health minister has said that early ‘experts advice might have been faulty – which I think it was – not by the benefit of hindsite but by the benefit of common sense. It was the published advise Starmer was waving tightly last week .
      I think there was so much hysteria about PPE and ventilator and moaning medics that no one gave a toss about Care homes – until comparatively recently .

      I know a detailed 3 day exercise on pandemics was Put in a couple of years ago – when Jeremy Hunt was Health Secretary – but either the findings from the exercise were not addressed or just ignored …..

      The exec summary of that exercise must be published – as well as how recommendations were managed . From personal experience I’ve found huge efforts going into such big job exercises but a culture of ‘carry on as usual ‘ afterwards with that insulting ‘ lessons will be learned’ as nothing more than words . …..

      Thinking more deeply – if this pandemic had been more ‘fatal ‘ perhaps targeting the young as well as the old – I wonder how this country would have dealt with it . ?

      I even wonder – when dust has settled – whether the experience will cause those responsible to prepare for the next pandemic –

      Maybe one caused by nature and not by Chinese bio scientists …..


      • StewGreen says:

        Oh yes agree care home staff were bringing in Covid
        and maybe NHS doctors also.

        Again care home managers should have ensured that their buildings were compartmentalised
        with staff sticking to ONE zone, not moving from home to home


        • Fedup2 says:

          Stew – I think the staff shortages which existed in peace time were exacerbated in real life by staff self isolating – or even worse – forcing themselves to work through illness .- including Care Home managers .

          As for moving from home to home – agencies would worry about filling gaps rather than anything else .
          The same applied to agency district nurses – with whom I have battled in the past .

          I realise nice bits of the UK maybe better served – but cities ?


          • StewGreen says:

            Neither the homes or agencies should have been breaking Health and Safety Law.
            If the industry was getting overloaded it should have asked the military to be on standby.


  28. StewGreen says:

    10:45am the Woman’s Hour Drama was a repeat of this story from 2018


    • StewGreen says:

      It was followed at 11am by
      British are crap at ventilators

      Then at 11:30am
      The Gospel of Grime


      • Fedup2 says:

        The coloured drug wars in Haringey /Tottenham are getting going again – shootings are in fashion to enable social distancing instead os stabbings —— I think we are due for a “Lammy “ moan ……


  29. StewGreen says:

    Wednesday the Times recommendeds Migrant Medics
    on the World Service
    which is actually on Radio4 last night and repeated on R4 11am tomorrow


    • StewGreen says:

      Today The Times recommendation is also World Service
      Marc Quinn: Creating 100 sculptures of refugees
      British artist Marc Quinn on 100 Heads, an ambitious new work which sees the heads of 100 refugees from around the world cast in concrete”


      He seems to only ever do art about refugees.


      • Mustapha Sheikup al-Beebi says:

        Will he be doing any sculptures of illegal immigrants?

        I ask because, as we all know, asylum-seekers, refugees, migrants, immigrants and illegal immigrants are all different categories.


        • G says:

          “…..all different categories”. But all in common? – waved in with no distinction…………


      • Guest Who says:

        Frankly I’d have though such an action would see a greater outcry.

        Even Nigel was only advocating them being turned back.


    • JamesArthur says:

      I agree we shouldn’t poach from poorer countries but as for the qualification ‘the best’ I am not sure that is what we get…


  30. Mustapha Sheikup al-Beebi says:

    Vicky Pryce (real name = Vasiliki Kourmouzi, the former wife of Chris Huhne, who was found guilty of perverting the course of justice by accepting driving penalty points incurred by him) was untroduced (Fedup2’s useful new word!) on Radio 4 news at 3 p.m. as an “economist”. No mention of anything else. OK, so she can’t be defined by her time in prison for lying on Huhne’s behalf, but there are other economists the BBC could have interviewed about the economic effects of Covid19 on the UK. Keep it in the family, eh?


    • BRISSLES says:

      Something I believe I mentioned earlier on in this thread.


      • Mustapha Sheikup al-Beebi says:

        Sorry, I missed your post, Brissles, didn’t mean to steal thunder!


    • StewGreen says:

      She’s served her time
      and no longer qualifies as a criminal.
      about 7 years ago now

      However the BBC had her on air less than 6 months after she left jail.


      • Ian Rushlow says:

        Many of the people the BBC have on air have yet to serve their well deserved time in prison. In more enlighened times, some of them would have shared the fate of Lord Haw Haw for their treason.


  31. Fedup2 says:

    I was surprised how much spellchecker liked my new word and didn’t like ‘unintroduced ‘ – maybe detruced ©️has a space somewhere


  32. Harry of Sussex says:

    Drove Megan to Iceland this morning. I had to stay in the car, as she got out she called back to me, “Harry, don’t change the radio station!”

    Too late, it’s 10am, it’s LBC and it’s James O’Brian and just in time for his monologue about immigration.

    “James O’Brien says we will need to come up with a new Thursday night clap to show we only appreciate NHS workers who are paid more than £25,600.”

    Listen if you dare!


    On reflection, I felt just like Ethel in the following Ray Stevens video, “Don’t look Ethel! Too late…”.


    • Harry of Sussex says:

      Not wishing to be really sad, replying to my own post but the streaker actually looks like James O’Brian


  33. Fedup2 says:

    Guido reports that a version of the ‘Grooming Report ‘ will be published ‘later in the year ‘ …. in case anyone want a quick pre publication view of it – this is what it will look like ….

    xxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxx xxx xxxxxx xxxxxxx xxxx x xxx xxxxxxx
    Xxxx xxx xxxxx xxxx xxxxxxx xxx x x x xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx xxx


    • Harry of Sussex says:

      Fed – Is that before or after you took off the encryption?


      • Fedup2 says:

        Harry – ha ha – that is the decrypted version …..


        • Sluff says:

          Too much information here.
          I think the final version will be significantly redacted from the version you have quoted.


  34. vlad says:

    Is the beeb reporting on this exoneration of Flynn / Trump and indictment of the deep state / FBI / Swamp?


  35. john in cheshire says:

    Those ‘ men’ have been at it again. In their hunting grounds. Hunting young white girls, as usual. Had the racist far-left bbc reported on this?


    Notice they’ve all been released pending further investigations. So no doubt they’ll be manning those rubber boats to make the journey in the opposite direction.

    Plus ça change, eh?


    • StewGreen says:

      @JiC this morning I was listening to the Bradford area Radio Leeds
      and didn’t hear that grooming/raping gang news
      It was Asian families talking about Covid had spread through entire Bradford intergenerational households after a particular funeral.
      Some died, but actually the Bradford area overall has not suffered massive deaths.


  36. Harry of Sussex says:

    Blood on your hands BBC.

    BBC News asks “Did VE Day parties cause a spike in Covid-19 cases?”

    That’s rich from the organisation that did nothing but encourage people to party.

    Up my street I saw several gatherings, not a single flag and no sense of patriotism and reflection. Just a piss up.



  37. Foscari says:

    I watched an hour long interview on You Tube earlier today.
    For the life of me I cannot remember the name of it. But
    it was only put on yesterday or the day before. It already has
    thousands of hits.
    Douglas Murray is being interviewed by two fellows. One
    is that intelligent Russian born comedian that showed up
    the BBC on their morning TV programme. If I remember
    he made one or other of the two munchkins look stupid.
    Anyway Douglas Murray told an amazing story which he said
    was 100% genuine. When David Cameron was prime minister
    he invited the Dalai Lama to visit him at 10 Downing Street.
    When the CCP found out they warned the government if
    it ever happens again all the trade deals that had been arranged
    between China and the UK would be placed in jeopardy. And
    they wanted written assurances and an apology. Cameron agreed.
    On top of that when the next UK trade mission went to Beijing
    they had to grovel by reading out the apology live!
    The CCP is now trying to make Australia do the same thing
    because the Australian prime minister says that their should be
    an independent enquiry into the Corvid 19 virus. New Zealand
    is supporting Australia in the bullying in China.
    One of the chief Chinese commentators has said of Australia
    that they are just a piece of chewing gum on the soles of
    the shoes of China and should be kicked off.
    Murray went on about how China and its lackey’s use the way
    that racism is used against China. When Murray says that China
    couldn’t care less about racism , being one of the worst
    perpetrators of racism themselves.
    By the way I wrote earlier today that I believe that the BBC
    is an appeaser when it comes to China. I am beginning to
    think it is worse than that. Somebody else please quote
    the heading for the Douglas Murray interview.


  38. theisland says:

    George Eustice is doing the briefing – he mentioned https://pickforbritain.org.uk which was ‘unavailable’ when I tried it.


  39. G.W.F. says:

    How to handle the BBC . Gotcha


  40. Fedup2 says:

    Time for the new thread as this one is getting a bit frayed I’m afraid


  41. StewGreen says:

    Local BBC news started with Trump
    Here we go wasting LOCAL news wasting time on sneering at Trump

    .. but no, “it’s really exciting the first UK trial of CHQ is starting in Hull,
    via GP surgeries”


  42. StewGreen says:

    Local news, just gave the regional Care home deaths
    basically 50 people per million population.
    So our 300K joint hospital region has had just 17 care home deaths since it all began.