550 Responses to Midweek Thread 17 November 2021

  1. digg says:

    It appears that Polish backbone has won through… I read Belarus are currently removing the migrants from the border in buses…


    Not only has it stopped the hordes at the border but will deter other chancers from following them.

    That’s all it takes, will and determination. Take note Priti!


  2. Thoughtful says:

    Black truck driver here – Racism doesn’t exist.

    This is something we need to start speaking out about every time some loon mentions it, there is no such thing as ‘racism’ it’s a made up word by the Left which they use as a weapon to attack anyone who doesn’t agree with them.


  3. s.trubble says:

    Emmanuel ….there are quite a few on the Unionist benches up here who despise this SNP/Leftist bunkum.

    What they should be looking for on C4 is a Scots family that speaks in the ” Doric”

    Then our southern audiences could be treated to such as
    ” Jings, Crivens Help ma Boab!


  4. dafydd says:

    BBC reporting how Caroline Noakes MP is grilling the PM in a committee on standards. This is the same woman that stated that Boris Johnson’s dad smacked her bum at a party conference in 2003.

    This is the same woman who in an interview she gave to Amber Rudd for the House Magazine stated how a Labour MP groped her in a very serious and very inappropriate way.

    What she needs to explain is why she has named Johnson’s dad but not name the pervey Labour MP.

    Something stinks about all this….


    • digg says:

      The left are hunting the Conservatives in packs right now, they think they have smelled blood with the sleaze crap. Hence they are digging selectively through the archives and rolling out every grudge merchant and stooge they have to throw more crap.

      This has shades of the USA pre-election slime about it and they are confident in the knowledge that the Conservative hating BBC will back them up to the hilt just as the mainstream lefty press in the USA did for the Dems.

      Boris needs to counter everything they throw with a Labour flavoured equivalent smear to make their allegations backfire.

      What this Country is crying out for is a truthful unbiased mainstream press voice to balance the books, I’m afraid that doesn’t appear to be GB News so at present we only appear have the likes of Brietbart, order-order and distantly Fox News!

      The working class, high-circulation red tops such as Express and Daily Mail appear to have almost sold out to the left or woke these days too. Probably infiltrated by activist hacks.

      The people at order-order do a grand and in my opinion very balanced job but are too small to have impact.


      • dafydd says:


        I agree with your post..

        Its staggering how aggressive the BBC and other left wing media are behaving over all this..

        I watched Noakes grill the PM and you could see in her face the disdain she has for the PM..

        I have contacted my MP today and asked her why the Conservatives are just sitting back and taking all this crap and not fighting back..

        Guido Fawkes seems to be a lone wolf in the wilderness..!!


        • Up2snuff says:

          dafydd and digg, agree with your posts. The Owen Paterson thing was an obvious set-up. I hope the By-Election for his seat will be won by a good local Conservative candidate. Do we know who is standing yet?

          As for the PM getting organised ….. that is, I think, wishful thinking. His disorganisation, as exemplified by his hair and attire, is said by some to be one of his USPs and the reason for his appeal to voters. Carry on wishing it, I join you in that, but the PM is thoroughly under the thumb of Princess NutNuts. He needs a good Chief of Staff but who would take on that job at present?


          • Yasser Dasmibehbi says:

            Up2. The North Shropshire by-election will be held on 16th Dec and the ‘Conservative (sic) Party’ candidate is Neil Shastri-Hunt.
            More importantly the Reform Party candidate is Kirsty Walmsley, an ex-Tory.
            Before that of course on December 2nd is the Old Bexley and Sidcup election in which I hope Richard Tice the Reform leader is successful.
            If two by- elections in a row saw heavy hits on the Tory numbers then it just could just be that would be enough to convince enough gutless tory MPs to get rid of Boris and take a more patriotic stand.


            • Up2snuff says:

              Yasser, maybe. I agree about Tice in Old Bexley, that would be a bit of a breakthrough.

              Thanks for the info.


        • taffman says:

          Have a word with Nadine Dorries .


    • MarkyMark says:

      By her own logic, anyone who disapproves of grabbing women forcefully by the throat should refuse to sit in a studio with Kay Burley. https://dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1028007/Pictured-The-incredible-moment-Sky-TV-presenter-Kay-Burley-grabbed-rival-throat.html
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  5. Guest Who says:

    BBC Newsbeat

    Nine Insulate Britain protesters have been jailed for breaching an injunction designed to prevent road blockades https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-59307679

    Being their avowed aim, you’d think they’d be pleased.

    Turns out uncritical support of the bbc but near 100% ratio even by Newsbeat audience kinda sucks.


  6. Guest Who says:

    Meanwhile Sky has this…

    Equally going less well.


  7. Guest Who says:

    Always worth revelling in the engagement.


    • MarkyMark says:


      BBC Strictly Come Dancing contestant Stacey Dooley … will the BBC mention Stacey’s visit to home town Luton and meeting Anjem Choudary (Anjem backed the remain campaign)?

      “What’s the solution? If Muslim people are in the wrong and they are committing crimes… you know, no one is above the law.” – Stacey Dooley

      “If the law of the land is Islamic, we will respect the law of the land. If it’s not Islamic (the law) then the law of the land, and those who make them, can go to hell quite honestly.” – Anjem Choudary

      “Oh my God!” – Stacey Dooley

      “Because Allah says in the Koran Q33v1 ‘Fear Allah, and do not obey the disbelievers and the hypocrites. Is David Cameron a Muslim of a disbeliever? Guys?” – Anjem Choudary

      “Disbeliever!” – mumbles crowd of 5 other Muslims

      “So you (a Muslim) can’t obey him (UK Law). So he (David Cameron) can go to hell.” – Anjem Choudary

      “Go put on some clothes.”
      – Muslim women wearing black Burqa talks to Stacey, who is wearing a pretty summer dress


  8. Guest Who says:

    BBC subbing.


  9. Guest Who says:

    Rach ‘an er are so on it.


  10. Guest Who says:

    Mich in her happy place.


    • Guest Who says:

      Uh huh.


      • MarkyMark says:

        “Both are senior judges .. and had to come here to escape persecution”

        Batley Grammar School teacher still in hiding after threats over Prophet cartoon. A teacher who went into hiding because of protests and threats against him for showing a cartoon of the Prophet Muhammad has still not returned to his home or job.19 Jun 2021


    • MarkyMark says:

      Ahmadis suffer vicious persecution around the world. The main source of fuel for that persecution is in Pakistan, but what happens in Pakistan does not stay in Pakistan.

      I know that from my experience in the Yorkshire market town of Batley. In August 1985, when I was 11 years old, my parents organised an inter-faith meeting in the town hall. It was interrupted and disturbed when, according to West Yorkshire police, more than 1,000 extremists, led by Pakistani hate preachers funded by the Pakistani state, were bused in from around the country. The mob brutally attacked my English mother and my father, a dermatologist; my eldest brother and I; and a Welsh Ahmadi schoolteacher who was with us. My first cousin, a GP, was by chance driving through the market town that day. He saw the mob and saw his family and friends being attacked, so he stopped. He was recognised, pulled from his vehicle and savagely beaten up.



    • digg says:

      That smug face when you know the BBC have your back!


    • Fedup2 says:

      Families from the same village perhaps ? He looks like a man with a swelling victim bank balance …


  11. Fedup2 says:

    As an anorak – celebrating having a negative covid test – I’m watching the labour led debate on public standards – obviously the benches are fairly empty – corrupt MPs presumably checking their bank statements for bungs . Jeff Robinson is probably hiding in the Caribbean pending his elevation to the equally corrupt Lords .

    I think it’s touching that some posters here still support nut nut – who is presiding over the corruption of Tory treasurers buying peerages – for example – £ 3 million gets you in …


    • Emmanuel Goldstein says:

      Empty benches!
      Maybe they are all doing their second jobs. (and third, fourth etc)


      • Fedup2 says:

        Perhaps – but some of the speeches by backbenchers on both sides have been quite good . A labour MP listed loans received by Jacob Rees mogg at very low rates – millions – which stinks to high heaven …. Mogg was present but didn’t respond .

        It is repulsive .


  12. Up2snuff says:

    BBC WEB-SITE Watch #1 – Oooops Department.

    BBC are none too good at geography or maths and any number of other subjects. An example of sums going wrong can be found here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-58724794 I guess it takes a lot of fingers and toes to be able to count up to 60 but the BBC have plenty of staff available.


  13. Guest Who says:

    BBC at it again.


  14. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    When I was in Germany there was a joke (I know) that if you wanted a Starfighter (an unreliable German Airforce jet) you just buy a piece of ground and wait.

    In the media (not bbbc of course) I’m seeing all these abandoned dinghies and even a jet ski.
    How I would have loved getting either of these things when I was young. I would have played with them for ages and even now there’s part of me tempted to go to the south coast, sit on a piece of beach and wait for the next abandoned craft.

    In another comments place I saw something on the lines of “stop putting birdseed out and the birds will stop coming” which our right honourables appear unable to understand.
    Don’t make it so attractive to come here.
    Stop the pull factors.

    But, we all know, they want them to come. It’s only the majority of the population don’t want this mass immigration.
    If only we lived in a democracy. Sigh.


    • Fedup2 says:

      EG – let’s hope that joke doesn’t apply to F35s … maybe the Russians bought it down ….


    • Sluff says:

      I have never been able to find the original source but I swear it is true.
      Very many years ago, maybe early 2000s there was some noise on immigration levels. It was about the time of the Steve Moxon disclosures. No (presumed Labour) government minister was available for Toady so instead they interviewed a Home Office official.

      He provided the most unapologetic free open borders mass immigration advocacy you could possibly imagine.

      And ever since then, I’ve basically believed what EG is saying. ‘They want them to come’ is a very long cherished deliberate Home Office policy. Does Priti Useless know?

      And more importantly, have the electorate ever been told?
      We all know the answer to that.


    • Up2snuff says:

      Emmanuel, you would of course only receive that Starfighter in component form and most of those components would be in a very sorry state.


  15. Guest Who says:

    Our Lefty clearly needed.


  16. Sluff says:

    Isn’t the sleaze thing just another Far Left politics of envy narrative?
    In general (there are exceptions) Tories have second jobs because they have skills or experience that the labour market wants.
    Labour don’t have those same skills so don’t get the opportunities . Angela Rayner? Jess Philips? Rentagobs are demanded by the pressure groups but they don’t pay well.

    I don’t support cash for access or pay for lobbying. But modest work if after hours? NHS consultants do it all the time.


  17. StewGreen says:

    ITV local news, libmobs items
    #1 Opens with fawning interview with Rafiq
    “Hi Rafiq, you are smiling today aren’t you ?”

    Rafiq like all of us does have some legitimate grievance but my concern is proportionality; that plenty of white/brown/black people have bigger grievances.

    #2 Tory Councillor sent anti Corbyn tweet
    long item with a lot of Labour voices doing outrage bus.
    Now when Hull Labour Karl Turner tweeted thumbs up with a photo of Farage getting milkshaked
    .. there was no media outrage bus

    #3 Hull hospital getting a solar farm
    Again fawning item with no opposition to this lunatic project.

    #4 Weird item alleging there won’t be enough Christmas trees this year.
    As if it was sponsored by people selling Christmas trees.


  18. Guest Who says:


  19. StewGreen says:

    Covid is still not looking out of control
    The graphs show a rise back up after a half term dip.
    Whereas deaths are still slightly down.


  20. Guest Who says:



    • Northern Voter says:

      Someone’s making up Huw so that he can read the made up news!


    • Sluff says:

      Great city.
      Should have more shows from there, rather than this BBC patronising guff.
      ‘This week we’ve had to move away from London to humour the plebs who live outside and give them a few crumbs from the table labelled ‘licence fee’’.


      • Fedup2 says:

        Yes – unusual for the BBC to go to a distant foreign country like Northern Ireland – I’m surprised they didn’t send their foreign correspondent – lees dooset or happy orlar gerrin … to report on it rather than a ‘star ‘…


  21. StewGreen says:

    BBC local news “last night the Gainsborough MP said his poor constituents are more worried about today’s bills rather than the Green Barrier Reef
    viewer comments have been 50/50
    Here he is again”

    When I looked this morning I saw very little feedback on Twitter/Facebook.


  22. Sluff says:

    How’s this for a solution to the cross channel inflatable ferry services problems?

    MI5, the SAS, and SBS all go over to France and pose as people traffickers and economic migrants. After they launch the boats they either sink them and escape or return them to France and scuttle them. Future chancers would not know whether their chosen boat was real or not. Some might be deterred, others would make the wrong choice.

    It wouldn’t stop it but it might reduce it.


    • tomo says:

      Even easier

      Pay a £5k bounty for mobile phone footage of rubber boat being shredded (obvs. there’s GPS/timestamp and unequivocal evidence of a boat being destroyed on a beach)

      £62,700,000 buys a lot of stanley knives ( or 12500 shredded boats)



    • brexiteerkent says:

      Sluff, great idea ! If they take the punters ferry money as well and pass it to the government it might even help pay the hotel and pizza bills !

      I had wondered about a ‘volunteer army’ of non lefty Brits going over to France to patrol the beaches and make holes in the dinghies etc …

      Edit .. Apologies for using the possibly offensive term ‘Brits’ as apparently calling people by a shortened national name in this way can cause offence and multiple BBC interviews …


  23. BRISSLES says:

    As Aseem Rafiq is “doing the rounds” of the media outlets, what are the odds before next year is out he will be given his own cookery programme, or asked to be a roving reporter in Britain’s countryside, or or or or be booked to appear on next year’s Strictly !!!


    • Sluff says:

      Rafiq endured so much racism that he was appointed Captain of the side for periods.
      Seems to me that he just couldn’t quite make the grade.
      He played in Pakistan but not to any great level and was playing Minor Counties cricket pre-pandemic.
      Maybe the current profile is payback for a career that didn’t hit the desired heights.


  24. pugnazious says:

    There is absolutely no doubt that the BBC effectively colluded with Russia by peddling the massive lie that Trump was a Russian stooge…the Russians wanted to sow chaos and confusion and undermine the US political system….the Democrats, the US media and the BBC all helped with that effort by trying to delegitimize Trump, to unseat him and to make all political decision making by him impossible…the US was basically paralysed politically for 4 years due to the actions of the anti-Trump brigade.

    The BBC is also the mouthpiece for several extremist groups such as Extinction Rebellion, Black Lives Matter, mass immigration lobbyists and any and every Muslim radical anti-Western group there is….the BBC is also the government cheerleader for lockdowns and the enforcer shutting down and demonising any who dare voice criticism of lockdowns or vaccines.

    Even Andrew Neil seems to have woken up to some of the BBC’s major problems…

    ‘Andrew Neil: BBC, Sky and others are just the ‘PR department of Greenpeace’ ‘
    ‘The BBC and other broadcasters have become “the PR department of Greenpeace” with their coverage of climate change, Andrew Neil has claimed.

    The former BBC and GB News presenter also said British broadcasters had colluded in the “conspiracy theory” that the Kremlin helped Donald Trump to win the presidency of the United States, and refused to tell the truth about the origins of Covid-19.

    In a speech to a media forum, Mr Neil took a swipe at his most recent employer, GB News, saying the station had become a “UKIP tribute band”.

    Addressing media coverage of the environment, he said: “In covering climate change, we are no longer journalists – we are basically the PR department of Greenpeace. You don’t need to be a global warming sceptic to challenge what’s coming out.

    He also encouraged people to “look at the BBC and Sky” and coverage of the foreign minister of Tuvalu.

    “He does a press conference [at Cop26] standing in water to make out his islands are about to go under,” Mr Neil said.

    “Nobody pointed out there was a report that came out in 2018 which showed, in the last four years, the land mass in his island has increased by 70 hectares. Wasn’t that worth looking at? But, no, we just did it as a piece of PR.”

    Speaking to the Freeview Outside the Box conference, Mr Neil said that the BBC, Sky and US broadcasters “peddled, basically, conspiracy theories for two-and-a-half years that Mr Trump had only got to the White House because the Kremlin was behind him”.

    He went on: “For the first year or so of the Covid crisis, if you raised questions that there was more to it than just coincidence that Wuhan and Covid were in the same place, you were a sinophobe, a conspiracy theorist, and you weren’t allowed to get onto the mainstream media. It’s quite clear now that Wuhan played a major part.

    “If we want to be referees, if we want to be gatekeepers to call ‘the nutters’ to account – and there are plenty on the right and the left, the anti-vaxxers and all the rest – we need to get our own house in order.”

    The BBC and Sky declined to comment.’

    Extraordinary claims about our national, impartial[by law] broadcaster which becomes more Orwellian by the day……who will grasp the nettle and demand an inquiry into the BBC’s coverage of these issues?


    • Kaiser says:

      “Mr Neil took a swipe at his most recent employer, GB News, saying the station had become a UKIP tribute band”.

      but they were right ! curious attitude to take a swipe at the only ones trying to tell the truth


      • Fedup2 says:

        Pug / kaiser – I think as soon as Murdock told Brillo that he is putting up a new TV channel – no doubt based on news of the world corruption methods – Brillo was reading to dump GBNews and poison it as much as he can

        Let’s face it – Brillo is good at interviewing – which is unusual in his ‘profession ‘ – but he is also an immoral money driven journalist with a huge ego .

        I used to wince at the homage he was paid on his politics programme on the BBC …


      • Banania says:

        It is turning out to be a good thing for GB News that Neil left.


        • Fedup2 says:

          Ban – yes I agree , many here – including me – had a great deal of hope in Brillo – but you can take a man out of the swamp …..but ….
          …..anyway – I reckon he will be even more ‘BBC’ when he starts up the Murdock TV next year – and won’t miss a moment to snipe – see what money can buy – him …


  25. pugnazious says:

    Funny thing how the BBC just can’t stop reporting that Starmer called Boris a ‘coward’ [only late in the reports does the BBC admit Starmer had to withdraw the comment].

    When Boris talked of the ‘surrender act’ or of ‘betrayal’ the BBC lambasted him and said he was using inflammatory language that stoked hate and anger and put lives at risk….curiously not a single word along those lines from the BBC when Starmer calls him a coward….or indeed when Rayner talked of ‘Tory scum’ etc.

    Martha Kearney had a tortuously engineered piece as she sat in a hospital bringing us all the bad news….she said of course they were taking all the precautions and naturally were wearing masks…that’s important isn’t it? she asked…before not so subtly asking what the nurse thought of Boris not wearing a mask….you could see it coming a mile off and even the nurse was embarassed and refused to be drawn into the politics.

    Wonder when the Tories will wake up and grow a pair and take down the BBC.


    • taffman says:

      “Wonder when the Tories will wake up and grow a pair and take down the BBC.”
      It will be up to Nadine ………………………………


    • Thoughtful says:

      He is a coward ! We’ve been saying it here ever since he was elected Tory ‘leader’ (after a fashion).

      If you’re wondering about them growing a pair see above !


  26. StewGreen says:

    8pm Sky Arts : Portrait Artist of the Year
    features : David Olusoga & Maggie Aderin-Pocock
    and Sergei Polunin Russian ballet dancer (whose controversial “social media posts, declaring his dislike for homosexuals and embracing Putin and Trump ..” )


    • StewGreen says:

      Maybe the next show has some British white people

      9pm Life & Rhymes
      “Benjamin Zephaniah hosts a celebration of the spoken word, featuring performances by
      Riaz Moola, (Cambridge Asian poet)
      Miss Yankey (London based British/Ghanaian Writer & Poet)
      Zia Ahmed, ( born Cricklewood in North West London)
      Christy Ku (Hong Kong born, London based )
      Jamie Merrick (east London’s finest post-punk poet)


    • tomo says:

      Olusoga really is a race hustling, mendacious PoS whose skewed history tales magically align with BBC house dogma.

      Stew – you’ve put the ballet dancer “opinions” in quotes – is that a direct quote from somewhere related to the BBC?


      • StewGreen says:

        @tomo I don’t know who the quote is from


        • BRISSLES says:

          I’ve been a fan of Portrait & Landscape Artist of the Year, for many a year, but its getting like Strictly, seem to be struggling to get anyone the viewing audience have actually heard of ! Even actors/actresses are struggled to be recognised – despite having a string of parts to their name !

          I love to see the faces of the artists when the guest is announced – sometimes there is excitement on their faces, but generally you can see the brain ticking over thinking “who the f….k is that ? ” like we do .. Lol !


  27. pugnazious says:

    Aseem Rafiq certainly enjoying his time in the limelight as he hypes up his story turning a few banterish comments into a crusade, Jihad, against Yorkshire, the ECB, the whole cricket system and Britain in general….not shy about being emotive, manipulative and cunning in his narrative bringing in still-born babies, ‘inhuman’ treatment and when Root said he didn’t hear any abuse this was only because, apparently, the abuse was so rife and normalised that Root didn’t realise what was going on. Tosh of course….if he’d heard genuine racist abuse, even if an every day occurence, he’d know he’d heard it and that it was not acceptable…..heard several bame players say they’d not suffered from nor seen any racism during years of play.

    And ‘Kevin’?….hmmmm….could it be that this name is not bestowed on someone like Aseem Rafiq because of skin colour but because he’s a bit of a tw*t…behaving somewhat like Kevin Pietersen at his worst?

    Is there any irony that the BBC fronts its coverage using the Asian Network? Is that not an obviously racist and divisive concept…Asians are not British then? They can’t listen to R1 or any other everyday British station? The BBC is stereotyping and pigeon-holing Asians as non-British, essentially suggesting that because they are brown they won’t like what other Brits like.

    The BBC and politicians are loving every moment of this….the BBC relishing the chance to denounce Britain as a nasty and racist place whilst the politicians get to grandstand and make extraordinarily sanctimonious and self-serving claims and essentially egging Rafiq on to ramp up his accusations…not that he needed any encouragement. The parliamentary committee was an embarassment…not challenging Rafiq once and making no attempt to rein in his ever wilder accusations and claims.

    Is the problem white racism or is it immigrants who came here uninvited, segregated themselves in racial and/or religious ghettoes, refused to integrate or mix with the white community and indigenous population and who speak with disdain and hatred towards white people and their culture, society and history and are now engaged in a ‘war’ to destroy Britain…all backed and cheered on by the BBC?


    • Kaiser says:


      box 1 football box 2 womens football

      next 12 boxes 5 cricket waycism

      next 4 waycism in cricket

      agenda much sport not so much

      this is best one though “kevin” is waycist


      On Tuesday, ex-Yorkshire player Rafiq told a Digital, Culture, Media and Sport select committee that former team-mate Gary Ballance used the name ‘Kevin’ as a “derogatory” term to refer to any player of colour.

      Rafiq said that Hales, 32, named his dog Kevin “because it’s black”.

      well Ive heard some reaches in my time but this one takes the biscuit

      oh and steve too

      best bit though

      Rafiq had said former Yorkshire batter Byas was “known” for using racist language.

      In a statement, Byas said: “My employment at Yorkshire County Cricket Club came to an end in January 2007. Some time before Azeem Rafiq was contracted to and started to play for Yorkshire.

      “I was neither coach, nor employed by Yorkshire, nor involved with them when Azeem Rafiq played for Yorkshire and I am thus at a loss to understand he can pass comment upon my coaching methods, character or behaviour.

      “I deny emphatically that I have used the phrases attributed to me in paragraph 47 of Azeem Rafiq’s witness statement and I equally categorically refute any suggestion that I was known for such”


    • Mrs Kitty says:

      @Pug .Or behaving like Kevin the teenager (Harry Enfield) I believe his catchphrase was “ it’s not fair “.


      • BRISSLES says:

        In my day, it was the name “Malcom” that was used for anyone a bit nerdy, and even today “Sharon and Tracy” are still used to call girls who are a bit “Essexy” (sorry Essex), so Kevin ain’t that bad really, I mean who would denounce Kevin Costner for God’s sake ? no woman I know.

        Where has this bloke Aseem been all his life if he hasn’t realised that true Brits have always done a bit of name calling to one another. And don’t get me started on being called “a big girls blouse ” !!!


        • Jeff says:

          Banter is a way of life amongst men, particularly working class blokes. We love it.

          Generally speaking, the more stick you get, the more you’re liked. The only blokes you don’t take the p1ss out of are those you don’t get on with.

          Blimey, when I look back at some of the things I’ve said to mates…and they have said to me…we’d spend every waking moment up before some bloody committee explaining our actions.

          Banter is generally an “in house” joke. Outsiders from the group wouldn’t get it and might even be offended, but the comments weren’t meant for them. Leave it in the locker room. If you don’ like a particular remark say so and settle it. Don’t start snivelling years later.

          Life’s too short…


          • Fedup2 says:

            Sadly the ultimate remedy is silence . Any interchange risks an allegation with the prospect of cash …
            …but I understand that even not speaking to someone can amount to ‘discrimination ‘. So some might think the best way is not to employ Kevin’s at all – or wimmin likely to rip a company off by going on eternal maternity leave a month after joining the company …
            ( the last bit was based on someone I hired but spent years on maternity leave while we paid her like mugs )…


      • Sick of it all says:

        According to the Urban Dictionary:

        ‘A Kevin is a person who comes to an illogical conclusion based on irrelevant evidence.’

        Seems fair in this instance.


    • G says:


      “….his time in the limelight……”

      Let’s think. Next step for him? I know, he can champion free meals for all children under the age of 12 – day or night, 365 days of the year. All paid for by the taxpayer.


  28. StewGreen says:

    That Andrew Neil speech
    I would warn against believing the interpretation that the newspapers give
    There will be a whole video somewhere

    There are some direct quotes in this official tweet stream



  29. StewGreen says:

    The hashtag is #OTB21 Outside The Box
    *British Broadcasting Future”
    here is an example of a topic


  30. StewGreen says:

    Another example
    They have a homepage


  31. Thoughtful says:

    Just revisiting Quatermass with John Mills, and surprising how relevant it now is with violent societal breakdown in the innercities, and adolescents and young adults becomming ‘planet people’.


    • harry142857 says:

      Also this children’s programme. As a ten year old, it frightened the hell out of me.


      The Changes.

      Plot – In a post-apocalyptic Britain, everyone has rebelled against modern technology (electricity, engines, trains etc) and reverted to a pre-Industrial Revolution way of life. When Nicky Gore tries to investigate the cause, she is accused of being a witch and imprisoned to prevent her spreading dissent.


  32. Guest Who says:

    Beddy bies.

    Have not listened. Will be interested in the calibre of bbc ‘analysis’.


  33. taffman says:

    Message to the BBC at the end of the day is …………….
    Our very own ‘Tory Government’ is not protecting the people and the nation against Terrorism !

    We have the finest armed forces in the world but they are not being used to defend this, our Great Britain. We are being betrayed.
    What say you Tory voters ?


  34. Eddy Booth says:



    • Ian Rushlow says:

      “The protected need to be protected from the unprotected by forcing the unprotected to use a protection that didn’t protect the protected.”

      Press release from UK, US and EU governments, backed by Pfizer and Moderna.


  35. Zephir says:

    Its ok for pakistanis to “express their opinuions” in public is it not ?

    Sky employee, 44, who won unfair dismissal case loses bid to get his job back after he said two young girls wearing short skirts was an ‘open invitation to get raped’

    A colleague reported the 44-year-old to bosses claiming he told her, ‘girls in general who wear skirts like that and then get raped, it’s their own fault’, the hearing was told.

    I mentioned that if this were Pakistan, people would be looking and it’s like an open invitation to be getting raped.’



    • JohnC says:

      The sublety of his comment is not just that they look sexy in their mini-skirts, it is that Muslim’s in Pakistan consider girls who show flesh like that to be basically whores and thus raping them for the pleasure of a ‘good Muslim’ is not such a bad thing.

      Our media will never go near that one. Best ignore it and focus on ‘male=bad’.


      • Doublethinker says:

        Come on guys, in modern 21 st century Britain its definitely the case that passing innocuous comments about girls asking to be raped is far less worrying than calling someone Kevin.


  36. Fred Stubber says:

    I notice that some contributors’ pictures don’t seem to fit the column. I was just wondering if it’s the pixel count that’s wrong. This test image is 1000 x 750 pixels.1000%20x%20750.jpg?dl=0


  37. Zephir says:

    Regarding the mental health issue trotted out every single time there is an islamic attack

    I would suggest there are more than a few of that culture who are a few minarets short of a mosque

    prone to violence, dancing around burning flags and shooting guns in the air at every opportunity, the inability to control their sexual appetite without rape or sexual assault, inability to control extreme emotions, inability to control violence, etc etc etc also reminds me of many places in Africa

    maybe time for a bbc investigation ? Why are so many Islamists barmy ?

    and before anyone like maxi says yeh but, yeh but, yeh but what about some others, I would say yes, thats bad enough we have some at home, but why should we import thousands more violent criminally insane each and every year ?


    • JimS says:

      Let them breed here and the media problem is ‘solved’, the next generation becomes ‘home-grown’ and terrorism ‘the new normal’.


    • Banania says:

      Absolutely right! I remember ages ago seeing pictures of people “demonstrating” in the Middle East, their faces contorted with fury, and thinking, How extraordinary, why get so upset? Years later, this country is now full of them. Alas!


  38. andyjsnape says:

    BBC announces shows to mark centenary year

    Thank god for youtube.com


  39. G says:

    Talk about the media doing all they can to conceal muslim criminals, have we seen the British media stupidly go this far yet?

    “Germany: Police conceal face of Muslim migrant rapist of 15-year-old girl in asking people to watch for him” – A, ‘mug shot’ you cannot see…………



    • Guest Who says:

      Needs a Downfall Does Great Escape surely?

      “And Smith here is a skilled paper bag over the head forger…”


  40. AsISeeIt says:

    A way of getting out of difficult conversations edition

    Starmer’s Labour not taking fight to the Tories‘ complains the left-leaning ‘i’ newspaper – as they quote Corbyn.

    Sir Keir may be a lame duck of an opponent – but the media are doing all they can: ‘I’ve crashed the car into a ditch admits Johnson‘ (Times); ‘I crashed the car over Paterson, admits PM‘ (Telegraph); ‘PM’s sleaze row “car crash”‘ (BBC); ‘Boris: It’s been a “car crash” on sleaze‘ (Daily Express)

    The ‘i’ catches this mood of general opposition to Boris without there being any existential need for a Labour Party: ‘PM under siege from own party

    This car crash business is of course the PM’s mea culpa and his naughty little boy act appeal for forgiveness. In his sleazy personal life he’s presumably been oblidged to make similar confessions on mulitple occasions after being caught with his trousers down.

    And for anyone surprised at politicians making money on the side… remember our last Tory sleaze media storm of the John Major nineties and how the heroic Tony Blair was sent in to clean the Augean Stables?

    Tony Blair is a British Labour Party politician and philanthropist who has a net worth of $60 million‘ (a welcome debut appearance hereabouts for Celebrity Net Worth)

    Confucius him say: “Would that a man were rich enough to call himself a philanthropist

    Speaking of car crashes – the Telegraph gives us an unintentional smile while refering to our famously Anglican Liverpool car bomber: ‘The 32-year old, who converted to Christianity, was seen at his local mosque every day during Ramadan in April, around the same time he began building his bomb

    Which religions have the best holidays, I might take one up?

    As absurdist TV sitcom’s Father Ted was apt to advise the errant Father Jack to say: “that would be an ecumenical matter

    Which comedic catchphrase: ‘...was a way of getting out of difficult conversations‘ (The Irish News)

    Sometimes this stuff writes itself.

    It was Prince Charles who declared he wanted to be known as the defender of all faiths. So it is a relief to hear: ‘Queen returns to her duties‘ (Metro)

    Some claim it was Groucho Marx who spoke for politicians when he supposedly quipped: ‘These Are My Principles. If You Don’t Like Them I Have Others

    Someone’s blown me up‘ screams the Daily Mirror: ‘What taxi driver told hero security guard who ran toward terror blast

    Our media alighting on this small act of bravery in a sad society where we now need security guards on mother’s hospitals.

    InCELLate Britain‘ cries the giveaway Metro: ‘Nine activists locked up for Christmas‘ – possibly the safest place for this small group of white M25 protesters as the terrorist threat for us poor saps on the increasingly diverse outside is notched up to severe.

    This Insulate Britain thing seems to be a class issue. The working class tabloid Daily Star is keen that we lock them up and throw away the key – or super-glue them to the floor of a cell?

    At last some news to cheer us up as road Tarquins are jailed. Nine crusties have been jailed for up to six months… So, all together now… Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

    Let’s hope they don’t get radicalised in prison.


    • theisland says:

      Bliar a ‘philanthropist’? I think not.

      Chambers’s Etymological Dictionary of the English Language, 1907
      Philanthropy – n. love of mankind: good-will towards all men.
      Latin philanthropia derived from Greek philos, loving, anthropos, a man.
      Philanthropist – n. one who loves and wishes to serve mankind.

      See also https://www.etymonline.com/word/philanthropist#etymonline_v_30377


    • JimS says:

      I am curious as to how anyone can super-glue themselves to a dirty road when it is hard enough to glue clinically-clean items together.

      Maybe their glue is fresher than mine?


      • Lunchtime Loather says:

        Neither Super or Glue in my experience. It used to be good 45 years ago, but not now.


  41. Fedup2 says:

    Today watch

    I was told that farmers are always moaning about something . Well the same applies to the useless management levels of the NHS . Every winter is the worst . Everything is getting worse . Always .

    Today meeshal – discussing staffing adopted the colonial approach of bringing in people from overseas . So screw their countries and health system – just bring them in – the duskier the better of course.

    Somehow the NHS has failed to work up capacity to increase the size of the medical mafia – my suspicion is to retain over the top pay rates and ration services for the mafia to continue to dictate conditions .

    The piece ended with a moan having new kit but not the people to operate them . The NHS needs real change but too many just too busy clapping …


    • JimS says:

      Having experienced more of the NHS in the last couple of months than probably the whole of the rest of my life I have become even more convinced that the what the NHS urgently needs is real inclusion, diversity and equality!

      Instead of being 98% female how about having a target of 20% old white men? It might take 40 years but think of the improved training/service ration and the gain in experience.


      • MarkyMark says:

        HR & OD Diversity and Inclusion Manager – NHSX

        NHS England and NHS Improvement
        £40,057–£45,839 a year


      • Up2snuff says:

        I know a retired Doctor, very pale, male and stale, who has come back to work for the NHS (pre-Pandemic) to ‘do lumps and bumps’. Very good he is too.


  42. dafydd says:

    Here we go again, another day same old sh-t…

    Burley interviewing Raab and of course giving him a hard time.

    Burley interviewing Chris Bryant (Labour) is like having a coffee with a mate and then at the end of the interview she says, ” good points” and no mention of Labour out of parliament earnings, unbelievable, how can this be fair

    Unless the government fights back this could be the turning point for the Conservatives fortunes, I think it’s that serious.

    The media behaviour is so blatantly bias it seems they are now no longer even trying to hide it…sad


    • G says:

      Following in lockstep with the US, in a more modest way – so far!


    • Up2snuff says:

      dafydd, think you are right. Incredible silence from the ‘independent’ Standards Commissioner, Kathryn Stone. We need to know from her whether she has ever been a member of a Trade Union and, also, whether she has ever been a member of the Labour Party. If those questions remain unanswered then there is a really nasty smell over this whole affair.


  43. Guest Who says:

    The BBC Emole goes full reflections from greatness…

    ‘I’ve seen irreversible change but hope too for planet’

    His face was flushed and his voice was loud. You’re making it all up about global warming, a man shouted as he approached me. We were in the Royal Society, the UK’s leading scientific academy, and a panel discussion about climate change had just finished. It’s nothing to do with carbon dioxide, he bellowed, before security guards led him away.

    Climate change has aroused passionate debate because it raises questions about our lifestyles and modern economies. And in the early days of my reporting, the picture was not as clear as now. The basic physics had long been understood: that adding certain types of gases to the air will trap more heat. But nearly 20 years ago, the United Nations climate science panel was still cautious, saying it was “likely” not “certain” that human activity was driving up temperatures.

    Read full article >

    David Shukman
    Science editor

    Speaking of which, Jane Goodhall has been singing the eco praises of Singapore.

    Normally patriotic nationals have been asking for two bottles of what she’s having.


    • Fedup2 says:

      I heard someone of the wireless recently that if science isn’t questioned or challenged then it is no longer science . And so called journalists adopting the current convention theory do no service to the people who pay them …


      • BigBrotherCorporation says:

        Exactly Fed!

        Science is not religion (and the two should at all times stay at least 500 yards apart, according to the Simpsons episode ‘Science vs Religion’).

        One attempts to prove theoretical hypotheses about the nature of ‘life the universe and everything’ by incremental experimentation and research, with the assumption that each hypothesis (‘theory’) will eventually be superseded by another which will approach closer to the ‘truth’, but that by its very nature the ultimate truth about ‘life the universe and everything’ can never actually be reached (or understood by mere humans).

        The other tells us that some form of superhuman entity/entities (God/s, if you will) created ‘life the universe and everything’ and that through faith and piety, guidance may be received which will bring the most faithful closer to the eternal truth, although the final secrets of ‘life the universe and everything’ are ultimately beyond the reach of us mere mortals and thus unknowable.

        Anyway, ‘the Science’ is never ‘agreed’, that’s just not how science works, there are theories, some of which seem convincing enough to be called ‘laws’, but ultimately they’re all subject to being queried and tested, repeatedly and forever.


        • Up2snuff says:

          I think The Simpsons were actually wrong on that, Big Bro. The history of religion (Christianity and before that, Judaism) tells us that it was heavily involved in education (exclusively so for a while, even in the UK) but that then led to scientific questioning, discovery and technology.



          • Banania says:

            Science must ultimately rest on the discovery that we live in a Universe, which was a religious belief. The Royal Society is an explicitly Christian foundation; testimony to the conviction that there can be no conflict, by definition, between true religion and scientific truth.


        • Fedup2 says:

          Big brother – having been raised in an RC school studying science – my top teacher was an atheist and openly encouraged us to ‘question ‘.

          It always came as a bit hard when a difficult question about ‘God ‘ was met with – the human mind could never understand ‘god ‘ … do just have faith ….

          I was thinking today that we are stuck with the green religion for the rest of our life times – although the coming recession may temper the enthusiasm of the green disciples and put the Greta fad in its ‘box ..


  44. Guest Who says:

    BBC Shire Radio goes #questionasaheadline , possibly seeking to set precedent for the XR chokey soap scoopers.


    Is it time to let them off?

    A Droitwich card shop say they can’t afford to pay a £44,000 court bill after they repeatedly defied last winter’s lockdown rules and kept trading.

    Grace Cards & Books is awaiting the outcome of an appeal over the hefty bill – should they still be paying the price of staying open?



    Not least from those pondering tvl prosecutions.


  45. Guest Who says:

    BBC Journalism


  46. Guest Who says:

    Stuff Dom is on.

    Stuff Sopes, Lurch & BS are not…

    ‘Asian’ definitions likely cancel out anything happening.


  47. Guest Who says:

    Does BBC Allegations have a fact checking unit?


  48. MarkyMark says:

    Ahmadis suffer vicious persecution around the world. The main source of fuel for that persecution is in Pakistan, but what happens in Pakistan does not stay in Pakistan.

    I know that from my experience in the Yorkshire market town of Batley. In August 1985, when I was 11 years old, my parents organised an inter-faith meeting in the town hall. It was interrupted and disturbed when, according to West Yorkshire police, more than 1,000 extremists, led by Pakistani hate preachers funded by the Pakistani state, were bused in from around the country. The mob brutally attacked my English mother and my father, a dermatologist; my eldest brother and I; and a Welsh Ahmadi schoolteacher who was with us. My first cousin, a GP, was by chance driving through the market town that day. He saw the mob and saw his family and friends being attacked, so he stopped. He was recognised, pulled from his vehicle and savagely beaten up.



  49. Guest Who says:

    Myth taking.


  50. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    Here’s an idea about us paying the French £54 million to stop the invasion.

    For every boat that makes it, whether picked up by our border faux or to the beaches, knock £1 million off.
    Ten boats make it over, knock £10 million off.

    Might give them an incentive to do something.


    • Charlie Farley says:

      Emmanuel Goldstein
      Excellent Idea….A money back guarantee !
      Or Invade France and move our Border to there ,
      Just reminded of the old joke …..French Border Guard to German visitor ‘ Occupation ? ‘ ……No Just visiting this time ! !