550 Responses to Midweek Thread 17 November 2021

  1. Doublethinker says:

    I suspect that the most unwelcome consequence of the the Rafiq affair at YCCC will be that team selectors for county and England will feel compelled to demonstrate their anti racism stance by picking plenty of BAMEs in their teams, even if they don’t merit inclusion on their performances. I’m sure that this will also be the case with the English cricket team.
    I gave up watching ‘England’ football team years before they became Kneelers United because I felt that they didn’t represent my country, not so much in colour but in attitude. In contrast the England rugby team , with a good contingent of black players, still seems to me to represent English values.
    I hope that England cricket will follow rugby and not cricket but I have strong doubts.
    The most out of touch comment made on this affair comes from Imran Kahn, the PM of Pakistan , who has said that as Yorkshire is flooded ( his word not mine) with Asians he couldn’t understand why there was so much hostility towards them at Headingly. Hasn’t he heard the English phrase that familiarity breeds contempt.


  2. MarkyMark says:

    Man who hit wife with bat and made her drink bleach spared jail after judge says she was ‘not vulnerable’

    Domestic violence charities accuse judge of ‘shocking ignorance’, saying ruling sends out ‘dangerous message’ that could discourage victims from coming forward

    May Bulman
    Monday 27 March 2017


    A judge has been accused of “shocking ignorance” after he ruled that a man who poured bleach down his wife’s throat and beat her with a cricket bat would not be jailed on the grounds that she was not “vulnerable”.

    At a hearing in Manchester Crown Court, Judge Richard Mansell QC ruled that cricketer Mustafa Bashir, 34, would be spared from jail despite admitting assault occasioning actual bodily harm against his former partner, because he was “not convinced she [was] a vulnerable person”.

    Domestic violence charities have warned the ruling sends out a “dangerous message” that could discourage victims of domestic abuse from coming forward, telling The Independent it is a “complete fallacy” for judges to believe such abuse only affects certain women.


  3. Rich says:

    Donna Traynor has been at the Bbbc for 33 years, she’s the main presenter on BBC Newsline, the BBC NI evening news programme. Or rather, she was the main presenter.

    It seems they may have a problem with her age – she’s 56, younger than Marr at 62, Edwards at 60, slightly younger than Myrie at 57 – and so now she’s taking them for age discrimination.


    As should most of their remaining licence payers.


  4. G.W.F. says:

    Commentary on the judge’s ring tone during the Rittenhouse trial from the BBC’s most unbiased reporters – Sopel and Maitlis



  5. digg says:

    Azeem Rafiq: Tino Best says cricket needs to tackle drinking culture.

    “Former Yorkshire and Hampshire bowler Tino Best says cricket needs to tackle a “drinking culture” which is “hampering” opportunities for black and Asian players.”


    Islam turns another screw…


  6. Up2snuff says:

    TOADY Watch #1 – the PM needs to be careful, makes a change, it is usually the BBC

    Normally it is the BBC that needs to watch out for elephant traps but – according to the BBC – the PM has hung Owen Paterson ‘out to dry’. The Conservative Party has a history of ‘long knives’. After SuperMac wielded his during the famous ‘night of the long knives’ usually the knife has been stuck in the back of the PM. Home, Heath, Thatcher and Major have all suffered.

    If Paterson had truly breached the rules, the PM ought to say exactly where he breached them. If, on the other hand, Paterson was innocent of a strict breach of Parliamentary Standards rules then be careful, PM. Owen Paterson may have more loyal colleagues on the back benches who know the real truth in this affair and if you have wronged Paterson in order to get yourself off the hook, then you need to watch out.

    Ides of March? Beware the Ire of MPs.


  7. Thoughtful says:

    Completely antithetical to this sites existence Radio 3 will broadcast a service from St John’s college Cambridge for the first Sunday in Advent at 15:00 Sunday 28th November. It is becoming more of a highlight of the Start of the Christmas season.

    Lets face it though, it’s not the BBC producing this content, they are merely transmitting someone elses content for free. Still very much worth a listen – to sit by the fire with a glass of something warming and get into the festive mood.

    A Service for Advent with Carols, live from the Chapel of St John’s College, Cambridge.

    Introit: Adam lay ybounden (Ledger)
    Processional Hymn: O come, O come, Emmanuel (Veni Emmanuel) (descant: Hill)
    Bidding Prayer
    Carol: Tomorrow shall be my dancing day (Gardner)

    I The Message of Advent
    Sentence and Collect
    Antiphons: O Sapientia and O Adonaï
    First lesson: Isaiah 11 vv. 1-5
    Carol: Creator of the stars of night (arr. Scott)
    Second lesson: 1 Thessalonians 5 vv. 1-11
    Carol: Telling (Grime)

    II The Word of God
    Sentence and Collect
    Antiphons: O Radix Jesse and O Clavis David
    Third lesson: Micah 4 vv. 1-4
    Carol: Nowel – Owt of your slepe aryse and wake (Anon, 15th century)
    Fourth lesson: Luke 4 vv. 14-21
    An Introduction to: Hark, the glad sound! (Bingham)
    Hymn: Hark, the glad sound! (Bristol)

    III The Prophetic Call
    Sentence and Collect
    Antiphons: O Oriens and O Rex Gentium
    Carol: Pan fo’r stormydd garwa’n curo (Williams)
    Fifth lesson: Malachi 3 vv. 1-7
    Carol: Lo! the desert depths are stirr’d (Frances-Hoad)
    Sixth lesson: Matthew 3 vv. 1-11
    Hymn: On Jordan’s bank the Baptist’s cry (Winchester New) (descant: Robinson)

    IV The God-Bearer
    Sentence and Collect
    Antiphon: O Emmanuel
    Carol: There is no rose (Joubert)
    Seventh lesson: Luke 1 vv. 39-49
    Carol: A spotless rose (Howells)
    Magnificat: Service in E (Murrill)
    Eighth lesson: John 3 vv. 1-8
    Sentence and The Christmas Collect
    Carol: Make we joy (Robinson)
    Hymn: Lo! He comes with clouds descending (Helmsley) (descant: Robinson)

    The College Prayer and The Blessing
    Organ Voluntary: Chorale Prelude ‘Nun komm, der Heiden Heiland’ BWV 661 (Bach)


  8. Zephir says:

    Channel migrants are set to be flown to ALBANIA to a new asylum centre at cost of £100,000-a-head a year as French deny agreeing to stop all crossings

    Ministers are discussing opening asylum centre in Albania and hope it would act as a deterrent to Migrants
    The likelihood of sealing a deal with Tirana were now ‘looking good’, a UK government source said
    It comes after Home Secretary Priti Patel vowed earlier this week to stop ‘100 per cent’ of Channel crossings



    • G says:


      “….Priti Patel vowed earlier this week to stop ‘100 per cent’ of Channel crossings”

      Please don’t make me laugh, it’s far too early for that.


    • Thoughtful says:

      Ridiculous and just an example of how inept cowardly and useless the Tories are with a total fudge of an issue which is easily solved.

      First of all return all migrants to the country they claim to have come from. If those countries will not accept them back like Israel and Iraq remove all aid money prevent travel to those countries demand payment for the costs of keeping illegal immigrants, and impose financial penalties against them such as barring money transfers.

      There is no good reason for any country in the West remaining in the asylum treaty when it is being so openly fraudulently misused. We should withdraw all legal aid and go along with the decisions made by Home Office staff at interview. Deport illegal ASAP, and bill the countries they come from – if the French government can do this then there is no reason why we cannot.


  9. Up2snuff says:

    BBC WEB-SITE Watch #1 – I thought I had seen them before, usually stated to be on the Polish border

    Yesterday, I was puzzled by some familiar faces that I had seen before – several times in fact – the photo on the BBC web-site had the little girl wearing a beanie hat pulled down over the distinguishing mark on her forehead which may have been a birthmark or a graze. The father looked also familiar.

    Sure enough they turn up again today in a BBC web-site article which tells rather more about this so called ‘aylum-seeker family’. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-59325777

    I wonder if some people had contacted the BBC to question about the puzzling appearance of the same people on different dates in different European locations in the pictures both on the BBC web-site and the print media? Are we being subjected to media ‘spin’ ?

    I think maybe we are.


  10. G says:

    “”malign foreign influence.” This phrase describes the covert efforts the FBI has seen in several cases where American politicians were influenced indirectly to adopt policies the Chinese regime desires, particularly in four areas: Hong Kong, Taiwan, human rights abuses against the Uighurs, and the Chinese government’s role in the Covid-19 pandemic.”

    My term for the extent of chinese involvement in US Governmental business? – ‘Riddled’

    Got to be the same in the UK if not lining the ranks of our influential, “Worlds Most Trusted Broadcaster”



  11. MarkyMark says:

    You can enter your name and see it’s popularity go up or down …. visual.ons.gov.uk/baby-names-since-1904-how-has-yours-performed

    With a special link provided by the the UK Government for special names such as Muhammad, Mohammed and Mohammad (other names not so special)

    We do not have a definitive answer for why the variations of the name Muhammad have generally risen up the rankings over time, but there are some possible explanations.
    1. The increasing size of the Muslim community in England and Wales
    2. The dominance of the name in the Muslim community combined with increased diversity in names for baby boys
    3. The possible increased dominance of the name in the Muslim community
    4. The possible effect of popular sporting figures with the names Muhammad and Mohamed

    The term such as ‘increased dominance‘ is odd, when in maths you could use the term ‘increased occurrence’ instead.

    dominance – power and influence over others
    occurrence – the fact or frequency of something happening

    Words do have meanings and some are more emotive than others.




  12. MarkyMark says:

    Deborah Lyons, UN Special Representative and Head of the UN Assistance Mission in Afghanistan (UNAMA), said that despite an improvement in the security situation, Afghans feel abandoned by the international community and anxious about their new leadership.

    “Ultimately, the Taliban must decide on whether to govern according to the needs and rights of the diverse Afghan population, or whether to rule on the basis of a narrow ideology and even narrower ethnic base”, she stated.



    • JimS says:

      “Ultimately, the Taliban must decide on whether to govern according to the needs and rights of the diverse Afghan population, or whether to rule on the basis of a narrow ideology and even narrower ethnic base.”

      Q. Where does a gorilla sit on a bus?
      A. Anywhere it pleases!

      Ditto Taliban. If they can beat the USA who is going to push them around?


  13. MarkyMark says:

    Former Yorkshire and Hampshire bowler Tino Best says cricket needs to tackle a “drinking culture” which is “hampering” opportunities for black and Asian players.

    “…BBC poll in 2015 found that 27% of British Muslims had quote ‘Some sympathy’ (27% or a third) for the people who went into the offices of Charlie Hebdo and killed the cartoonists, editors and journalists there. Channel 4 poll from last year (2015), found that only 1% of UK Muslims think that publications should have the right to publish the cartoons of Mohammed.”
    – Douglas Murray (2016?)


  14. Thatcherrevolutionary says:

    Rik Mayall
    One by One film



    • MarkyMark says:

      Interesting … As Plato puts it: “According to Greek mythology, humans were originally created with four arms, four legs and a head with two faces. Fearing their power, Zeus split them into two separate parts, condemning them to spend their lives in search of their other halves.”


  15. Thoughtful says:

    Ever wondered why Americans are so fat? Perhaps it’s because they’re so stupid! I can’t believe anyone would contemplate doing this to food, let alone need a video to stop them burning their house down!
    Who on Earth thought deep frying a whole turkey was a good way to cook it? Maybe the Glaswegians ?


    • Up2snuff says:

      Thoughtful, have you ever seen the Christmas Special Top Gear with the team before Clarkson was sacked? They cook a Christmas Dinner using a microwave in an unconventional way. The turkey arrives on the table courtesy of an explosion from the microwave.

      Must be round the U-choob bend or similar.


  16. dafydd says:

    This is how pathetic and low the BBC are stooping and typical biased crap from Kuenssberg…The sooner she takes her biased crap to Radio 4 the better, at least there she will feel at home



  17. DiamondLights says:

    Channel 4 doing what Channel 4 do best…

    1:29 to see the now ‘socially accceptable’ drag queen on a motorbike. Sorry, trans-person. Years ago, it was a bloke in a dress. Still is, let’s be honest. Except now it’s normalised.

    True, there’s some amusing bits, but is this just about Channel 4 programming?

    I’ll let you decide…


  18. Guest Who says:

    David Shuckman replacement?

    Pre terrified, so a saving there.


    • MarkyMark says:

      2017 …. Beijing (China) has proven itself rather shrewd (Dishonest? Liars? Frauds?). At home it has been steadily reducing its reliance on coal (meeting it’s international obligations!), replacing it with renewable energy. Yet all the while — it has been happy to invest in dirty energy abroad (so China does not care about the environment?), with profits returning to boost the domestic sector {dailytimes aug2017}

      – I like the use of the word ‘shrewd’ for China’s behaviour – having or showing sharp powers of judgement; astute.
      – I wonder what Al Gore would say?



    • tomo says:

      Kalmus a climate scientist?

      – that’s a stretch

      he does seem to have something of a planet saviour complex thing going on – slathered with the usual heady mix of things that are caused by “climate change”.

      If the Yanquis ever get into super-gluing themselves to freeways I’d wager he’ll be there….


    • JimS says:

      “That’s how bad it is now.”

      Definitely – but not in the way he means.


    • Guest Who says:

      Sensing a degree of complement here.


  19. Thoughtful says:

    European Journal of Epidemiology

    Increases in COVID‑19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States


    At the country-level, there appears to be no discernable relationship
    between percentage of population fully vaccinated
    and new COVID-19 cases in the last 7 days (Fig. 1). In fact,
    the trend line suggests a marginally positive association such
    that countries with higher percentage of population fully
    vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people.
    Notably, Israel with over 60% of their population fully
    vaccinated had the highest COVID-19 cases per 1 million
    people in the last 7 days. The lack of a meaningful association
    between percentage population fully vaccinated and
    new COVID-19 cases is further exemplified, for instance,
    by comparison of Iceland and Portugal. Both countries have
    over 75% of their population fully vaccinated and have more
    COVID-19 cases per 1 million people than countries such
    as Vietnam and South Africa that have around 10% of their
    population fully vaccinated.

    Of the top 5 counties that have the highest percentage
    of population fully vaccinated (99.9–84.3%), the US Centers
    for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) identifies 4
    of them as “High” Transmission counties. Chattahoochee
    (Georgia), McKinley (New Mexico), and Arecibo (Puerto
    Rico) counties have above 90% of their population fully vaccinated
    with all three being classified as “High” transmission.
    Conversely, of the 57 counties that have been classified
    as “low” transmission counties by the CDC, 26.3% (15) have
    percentage of population fully vaccinated below 20%.

    Click to access s10654-021-00808-7.pdf


  20. Up2snuff says:

    Not the BBC, sorry Fed, but I guess a similar or exactly the same mind-set as the BBC. Very similar wording to what the BBC constantly use, btw: “You are boosted. Now what? No-one knows exactly what the rules are for post-booster behaviour.”

    From the atlantic.com courtesy of Firefox this morning.


    • Fedup2 says:

      Very kind to think of me – there has to be places on the web where the truth can be shown ….

      … I’m actually more concerned about the green industry which will happily suppress any evidence ‘ facts which go against their religion …

      … and on religion … I mentioned here the other day that I was sent for a PCR test … and I’ve been thinking about what the place reminded me of – the answer – a church – meeters and greeters – instructions on what to do and when – and then an exit .. the vaccination centre was even more religious with a vicar up on the stage in the hall overlooking the proceedings like being in a pulpit ….


      • Up2snuff says:

        Fed, I do try to make my posts BBC relevant (unless I’m going after maxi & his mates) because that, after all, is what we are about here: showing examples of BBC bias. maxi and crew, please note.

        Sure, I agree about the Green religion and would love the BBC to do an expose or for Marianna to Spring into action and fact-check her colleagues wild claims about weather.

        Meanwhile, over on TCW, the conspiracy theorists (some nutcases among them) firmly think the Green thing and the Pandemic were planned and are linked.


        • Fedup2 says:

          The biggest problem with conspiracy theory theory – is that it assume there are people / groups with the intelligence – cleverness to be able to pull their plan off …
          If they are anything like the frankly dumb British political class – not a chance …. I abide with the ‘cock up ‘ version of the world …


  21. harry142857 says:

    Not the BBC, but the next worst channel.

    Via Guido. 😂


  22. taffman says:

    “Zephaniah McLeod: Birmingham stabbing spree killer sentenced”
    Why no photograph ?
    How often is this done ?


  23. taffman says:

    “NHS Wales: A&E and ambulance performance worst ever – again”


    “Covid passes may be used to keep pubs open at Christmas”
    So, who is closing them ?
    Thanks to the Great Welsh “dictatorship”. See top ‘comments’.


  24. Guest Who says:

    Sounds like a clear ism.

    Half of the bbc needs to fly there to investigate, in a specialist manner.


  25. G.W.F. says:

    BBC advert for mohamidanism. Islam saved this party girl’s life. She is so happy she converted to it.



    • digg says:

      Along with the cricketer drink allegations Maybe we are witnessing the start of a new BBC onslaught getting underway to help our overseas visitors banish decadent Western lifestyles such as drinking, partying and wearing what you want and following the wrong religion.


    • MarkyMark says:

      On Sept. 12, People shed light on Janet’s alleged reasons for leaving Wissam, according to brother Randy Jackson. “There’s a lot of pain. Janet’s been through a lot with her divorce,” Randy told the magazine. “It was quite an abusive situation. It came on later in the relationship, verbal abuse and being [made to feel like] a prisoner in her own home. No pregnant woman needs to go through being called a b—- everyday. There were things like that. That’s what she went through.”



  26. G.W.F. says:

    Another BBC advert for mohamidanism. A multicultural city run by moslems where everyone is happy. A model for us all.
    ”And despite economic challenges and intense cultural debates, residents in Hamtramck from different religious and cultural backgrounds coexist in harmony, making the city a meaningful case study for America’s future of rising diversity.”



  27. digg says:

    Here we bloody go… the lefty press memory hole departments are in full swing… so don’t worry about dusky chaps carrying bombs or murdering dozens of teenagers out for the night in Manchester.

    The BBC house journal the Guardian tells us…

    More Prevent referrals linked to far-right extremism than Islamist


    Anyone remember when we last had a right-wing bomber harm anyone you toads?

    Thought not!

    Maybe its because the police need a big explosion with someone dead to record it as ISLAM terrorism whereas they only need someone with a placard in the wrong place or carrying bit of bacon to record it as right-wing terrorism.

    What a stinking pile of traiterous, deceitful poo they really are!

    Maybe this might throw some light on what is going on?



  28. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    Going through the program planner on sky looking to see anything worth recording today I came upon the sky movie premiere which is on their movie channel which has one new film on each day.
    The description for today’s offering was about a girl (black of course) and her best friend and HIS husband.
    Not going to watch that woke crap.

    Do they have viewing figures for these achingly pc types of films and series because I would imagine they don’t get many viewers compared to a straight forward no agenda story type of film.
    Yet they keep on making these types of films.
    How did the black Anne Boleyn film do? Was it a viewing success?

    I find I’m watching more on channels such as Talking Pictures where there is no pc agenda and the film tells the story as opposed to preaching pc, woke lgbtetc. at you.

    It’s not just the bbbc because lots of channels are showing this far left woke stuff and these channels need to make money.
    Perhaps they make their money from all the ads which are just as bad but surely it’s putting lots of people off watching meaning the ads are reaching fewer people.

    As the saying goes, ‘go woke go broke’

    Make decent non lefty agenda driven films again and more people will watch them.


    • JohnC says:

      I wonder how long it can continue.

      Whenever I check the latest films on IMDB, they are usually around 5/10 and the comments are polarised between ‘1/10 Another film full of agenda’ and ’10/10 Don’t believe the negative ratings by the racists’.

      They are so bereft of ideas and talent now, the latest fad seems to be to wokeify the older stuff which was good and make it terrible.


    • Dover Sentry says:

      I read that the film makers are obliged to go woke for the channel to buy it. Netflix is just as guilty.


      • JohnC says:

        Yes – same as books. The publishers are dictating what the authors must include.

        The Left are the new Nazis. Once they finally go too far and the silent-but-lazy majority turn against them, history will be very critical of this period.


    • G says:


      That’s why Pretty Useless and Billy Bunter are determined to dilute the white population 50:50 (at least) with coloureds. Whether the former like it or not.


    • BRISSLES says:

      After all the hype I decided to check out Bridgerton. Silly me. I should have realised that it was a Shonda Rimes production – she of colour blind casting. Sadly I thought it was more pantomime with a lot of moaning and grinding involved than a realistic drama. Black ladies in powdered wigs as part of the aristocracy were in abundance, and even the Queen was played by a Ghanian actress, I suppose we have to be grateful if wasn’t a cross dressing transgender non binary person who got the part.


  29. JohnC says:

    Zephaniah McLeod: Birmingham stabbing spree killer sentenced

    Another tale of enrichment just started the rapid slide into ‘regionals’. As usual with the BBC, you only know the guy is black from the pictures and the fact they don’t say he is white.


  30. JohnC says:

    A public inquiry will be held into the death of Novichok poisoning victim Dawn Sturgess, the home secretary says.

    Difficult to imagine anything this can add to the case since we have no idea what really happened. I remember the ridiculous theories we got pumped full of when they were desperate to pin it on Putin personally.

    Stand by everybody : I suspect public feeling needs to be turned against Russia so time to rehash anything they can come up with.

    I personally think the money would be better spent holding a public enquiry into the recent suicide bomber and the Muslim activity around the area it happened.


    • Wink1 says:

      I agree John , every time they bring up about the ‘boogy man’ Putin I feel that there is something they are trying to hide . The whole Salisbury ‘episode ‘ was farcical and I can’t help feeling that Scripal was somehow involved in the Christopher Steel discredited Russia Hoax.


  31. Guest Who says:

    Well oiled machines.


  32. Guest Who says:

    Especially via Sky or the bbc.


  33. G says:

    Important information on the link between Vit D deficiency and covid morbidity. A scientific paper explained to the layman:

    The last time I cited this YouTube channel, someone here replied that Dr John Campbell was effectively a fraud, using his PhD to deceive viewers into believing he was a medical doctor. His 1.35 million subscribers Worldwide (including me) would not agree with you. So if you could tear yourself away from your biases you should view this short admission first assuming you are interested in learning valuable information:



    • JimS says:

      My name is John Campbell and I am a retired Nurse Teacher and A and E nurse based in England. I also do some teaching in Asia and Africa when time permits. These videos are to help students to learn the background to all forms of health care. My PhD focused on the development of open learning resources for nurses nationally and internationally.


  34. MarkyMark says:

    Yesterday it emerged the Labour Party had suspended the membership of Gil House pending investigation for allegedly engaging in prejudicial conduct that was “grossly detrimental to the party”. Gil’s crime? Insisting that “only women experience the menopause”.

    – – – – –

    “To cite the other person you just said that would *trigger you Sam Harris*, Mark Steyn said this the other day, *this is the conversation we will be having when the Mullahs nuke us*. (or blow themselves up at hospitals)
    Everyone will be discussing if someone is transgender despite the fact they’ve had no operation (ref Jack Monroe in UK)” – Douglas Murray


  35. s.trubble says:

    Wouldn’t you have thought that, unless the current Govt is complicit with the bBC, it would have permeated it with people to find out how what happens happens?

    In other words how does it formulate its political and news output….
    who are the decision makers within its labyrinth and what are the command and control structures.

    Or is it actually simple and purely populated by 20,000 identical types….like 20,000 starlings or moths?


  36. Guest Who says:



  37. Dover Sentry says:

    Liverpool Terrorist:

    “Counter-terrorism officers have traced a relative of the Liverpool bomber and are due to speak to them, a police chief has said.”


    ….to ‘them’ ?? Plod have lost the plot.


  38. Foscari says:

    So Rafiq the BBC’S Yorkshire cricketers pin-up boy says he’s
    sorry for his anti-semitic comments, from the past. But we
    must not really blame him . Grooming , raping girls and
    anti-semitism is part of a certain religions culture. At least the BBC
    understand this !!


    • theisland says:


    • Thoughtful says:

      The whole of the reporting of this is massively anti White and anti Northern bias led by the Metropolitan elites.

      I can prove that for year the word Paki was nothing more than an abreviation used by and accepted by everyone. It was only a term of racial abuse when linked with perjoratives or profanities.

      The Pakis use this term all the time when talking amongst themselves or even when talking to me, does that make them the meaningless word ‘racist’ ?
      How is it that it’s OK for them to use it but it’;s not OK for me to use it when in conversation with them ?


      • BigBrotherCorporation says:

        The more woke nonsense I hear and read, the more convinced I am it’s fuelled by nothing more than envy and greed, and based on nothing more than ignorance and hypocrisy.

        As for Mr Rafiq and his (belated) apology for anti-semitism, he clearly thinks racism is ok when he does it (unless he gets called out for it), which just makes him one massive hypocrite.


      • JimS says:

        “The Bangladesh Race Relations Board are becoming increasingly concerned over a new craze sweeping the country, do-it-yourself Paki bashing.”

        BBC 1981 [15:14]


    • Foscari says:

      So I reckon it’s time to put Azeem Rafiq to bed.
      Or for the BBC to make him one of the captains on
      “A Question of Sport.” I expect it will be the latter
      for the BBC.


      • davylars says:

        Deleted tweets
        he joked about an unnamed Derbyshire player being reluctant to spend money on a meal out because “he is a jew”.



  39. Fedup2 says:

    I think we have to spare a thought for BBC reporters having to report on The North and Railways . Wasting their time with no London issues is such a chore .

    Why can’t they stick with some whitee cricket batter calling a Pakistani a lake 20 years ago ? This is most important .


  40. Fedup2 says:

    How strange – I thought I’d entertain myself by catching the BBC propaganda at six and was disappointed that the paki race story wasn’t at number 1 where it deserved to be .

    Instead it was at item 5 after dolphins dancing – but What ! It turns out that the paki cricket player is not just a Full Time Victim- but Hates Jews – from comments on his twitter from as recent as 10 years ago .. ….
    I’m sure said paki doesn’t hate Jews – why would he ?

    Btw the coloured nutter who slaughtered in Birmingham was item 6 – it doesn’t matter as it’s not London ….


  41. pugnazious says:

    LOL..The BBC’s Rowan Bridge reporting from Rowan Bridge oop North is massively negative about the cancellation of the HS2 line….he spouts Labour lines and narrative….everyone oop north is disappointed and angry…they are betrayed…it is a bitter pill. No attempt to suggest there might be something positive or that HS2 was a hugely controversial money sink that tore a scar across the green and pleasant landscape of England.

    The BBC has had on a Gareth Dennis all day….forgets to tell us he is a Labour member….hence why he also spouts the Labour narrative #Railbetrayal and is vitriotically opposed to the new policy…

    Gareth Dennis
    I’ve written to my MP asking for clarification of the implications of your position on party policy, seeing as it is exactly opposite to the values I believed that the Labour Party held when I joined it.

    The BBC has always supported HS2….which was always a massive white elephant and Blairite ego project…..unfortunately the Tories were too scared to cancel the obviously flawed project until now….and then only in part.

    Of course they might have been prepared to do so had not the vastly over-powerful BBC [in their eyes] not always been the cheerleader for the always doomed project.

    Once again the BBC’s own worldview and political agenda rubs up against reality and helps cause disaster and financial ruin.

    Cancel the BBC as well as so much of HS2!


  42. pugnazious says:

    LOL….such a surprise…

    ‘Azeem Rafiq has apologised and said he is “deeply ashamed” for using anti-Semitic language in Facebook messages from 2011.

    Former spinner Rafiq has spoken of his experiences of racism at Yorkshire and appeared at a Digital, Culture, Media and Sport select committee this week.

    The 30-year-old said he had “absolutely no excuses” for the messages.’

    Maybe all those posturing MPs and media types should ask Rafiq what is said around the dinner table at home or in the mosque or islamic centres about white people or non-musilms and Jews…and women and gay people…and what was his own ‘banter’ directed at other players was like…..maybe not quite so certain about his new found sainthood.

    And odd how there’s lots of comment on the BBC about Qatar…but no link to Islamic laws…LGBT and women….what might be the problem then? And is it just Qatar? Why is the BBC not concerned about so many other Muslim countries with dire human rights practices?

    Curious the BBC tells us how LGBTs and women are suffering but not the real cause.


    • Fedup2 says:

      I wonder if they’ll get the paki cricketer back on the BBC and parliament so that he can tell us about his love for all things Jewish …
      …….nice catch on the twitter but didn’t it take a while to come out …?

      BBC will put him on the dismal ‘sports personality ‘ thing …


  43. StewGreen says:

    ITV local news
    – Containment of Rafiq’s previous misdeeds
    by pretending it was just one tweet
    – Disability history month
    – The gay dads
    – National Nursery Rhyme week


  44. G.W.F. says:

    In case you thought the terror threat comes from the Religion of Peace, the Guardian tells us that Prevent have more referrals from the Far Right than from Islam.



  45. Fedup2 says:

    The lies and lies and lies …


  46. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    Don’t know if I heard it clearly but there’s some Chinese wimmin tennis player gone missing or is in the wrong place, Feng Shui I think is her name.


  47. BigBrotherCorporation says:

    According to the Home Office (as reported in that Guardian article):

    “The highest proportion of referrals to Prevent last year (51%) was for individuals with a mixed, unstable or unclear ideology”

    Am I not understanding something, why are such people seriously being reported as terrorist suspects?

    “What do you think about the Government, sir?”
    “Oh, they’re all a load of rubbish, we should just get rid of the lot of them.”
    “And how exactly should that be achieved?”
    “I dunno… guess, we could just blow up the Houses of Parliament, or something.”
    “Do you have any religious beliefs, or belong to any political parties?”
    “No, I think they’re all rubbish.”
    “Very good sir, please just put your name and address down here…”


  48. Lefty Wright says:

    With Operation Popeye, the U.S. government made weather an instrument of war
    As geo-engineering projects soar, the declassified project is newly relevant.



    It was a seasonably chilly afternoon in 1974 when Senators Claiborne Pell, a Democrat from Rhode Island, and Clifford Case, a Republican from New Jersey, strode into the chambers of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations for a classified briefing. While the meeting was labeled “top secret,” the topic at hand was rather mundane: They were there to discuss the weather.

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    More specifically, Pell, the chairman of the now-defunct subcommittee for Oceans and International Environment, and his colleague were about to learn the true extent of a secret five-year-old cloud seeding operation meant to lengthen the monsoon season in Vietnam, destabilize the enemy, and allow the United States to win the war.

    Though it cycled through several names in its history, “Operation Popeye” stuck. Its stated objective—to ensure Americans won the Vietnam War—was never realized, but the revelation that the U.S. government played God with weather-altering warfare changed history. The Nixon administration distracted, denied, and, it seems, outright lied to Congress, but enterprising reporters published damning stories about rain being used as a weapon, and the Pentagon papers dripped classified details like artificial rain. Eventually, the federal government would declassify its Popeye documents and international laws aimed at preventing similar projects would be on the books.

    But the public would, more or less, forget it ever happened. Given the rise of geo-engineering projects, both from municipal governments and private companies, some experts believe Popeye is newly relevant.

    A radarscope featured in the Compendium of Meteorology, 1951. Internet Archive Book Images via Flickr
    Most travel agents would recommend planning your visit to Vietnam roughly between the months of November and April. Prices tend to jump during the so-called high season, but it’s the only surefire way to avoid the rain. And, boy, is there rain.

    Between roughly May and October, the mercury rises to 90 degrees and the humidity can hit 90 percent. Heavy with water and churned by reversing monsoon winds, the northern metropolis of Hanoi typically receives 8.2 inches of rain in July alone, while Ho Chi Minh City in the south, where the monsoon hits a little later, racks up an average 11 inches each September. (For comparison, the southwestern state of Arizona typically gets 8.04 inches of rain in a year.)

    Back in the 1960s, however, Vietnam’s rainfall patterns weren’t the concern of American tourists, so much as the American military. When preliminary tests for Operation Popeye began in October 1966 under President Lyndon B. Johnson, the Vietnam War had been underway for over a decade (though still a decade away from its somber conclusion) and more than 8,000 Americans had already died. With traditional methods failing, the U.S. government decided to look to the skies.

    “The close monitoring of troop and truck traffic along routes where rain had fallen verified beyond any doubt the naturally adverse effects of rainfall and accumulated soil moisture on the enemy’s logistic effort,” Lieutenant Colonel Ed Soyster told Senators Pell and Case, according to the declassified notes from that 1974 meeting. Operation Popeye, he continued, intended to further ruin roads, jam rivers, and extend the amount of time swathes of Vietnam weren’t traversable.

    The cloud seeding process can be done from an airplane or with a generator on the ground. Wikimedia Commons
    Cloud seeding is a method for artificially stimulating precipitation, like rain or snow. The practice is thought to have originated in 1946. While experimenting with dry ice, Vincent Schaefer, a self-taught chemist employed by General Electric, made a big discovery. He noticed that cloud condensation nuclei—the tiny particles around which water condensates—could be artificially produced to create rain and snow. Schaefer put his discovery to the test by “seeding” the clouds over the Berkshire Mountains in Massachusetts and successfully created precipitation. “He was hailed as the first person to actually do something about the weather and not just talk about it,” the New York Times wrote in his obituary.

    Of course, Schaefer’s discovery was not met with enthusiasm alone. While some dreamed of ending drought (or, as the Times drolly notes, ensuring white Christmases until the end of time), others worried that rain would be “stolen,” as scientists pulled precipitation out of clouds in some places and not others.

    At first, no one seemed to consider the wartime applications of cloud seeding, but on March 20, 1967, the “operational phase” of Popeye began. Pilots and their crew would soar over select regions of Vietnam with a canister of silver or lead iodide, which were, by the 1960s, considered two of the primary sources of water condensation nuclei. The plane crew would ignite the canisters and release particle-rich smoke into an existing storm. If all went well, the jolt of artificial nuclei would reverberate through the system, forcibly spurring additional precipitation.

    Despite 80 years of cloud seeding efforts, rigorous research aimed at proving (or disproving) its efficacy is still underway. During their top secret briefing on Popeye, Senators Pell and Case were told that though U.S. taxpayers paid, without their knowledge, some $3.6 million a year for such operations over Vietnam (or about $23 million a year in today’s dollars), Popeye’s success was “certainly limited” and also fundamentally “unverifiable.”

    As he digested these facts—processed the full extent of the secret wartime weather manipulation project—Senator Pell seemed increasingly indignant, as documented in the official meeting report. Why, he asked, was it kept secret? And what other secrets were there? “The thing that concerns me,” Pell said, “is not rainmaking per se, but when you open Pandora’s box, what comes out with it?” When the details of Operation Popeye were made public a two months later, on May 19, 1974, many Americans—as well as our allies and enemies abroad—were left pondering the same question.

    A plane, photographed in 1964, reportedly used in domestic cloud seeding efforts. Wikimedia Commons
    As you read this, somewhere, someone is probably seeding a cloud. State and city officials seed clouds in the Sierra Nevada each winter. It’s a way to make a little money from ski resorts that pay for the potential of an extra sprinkling of powder. But it’s also a coordinated effort to increase the water supply that flows from melting snow each summer and quenches the thirst of California and its neighbors in the Colorado River Basin. And local officials from Wyoming to Mumbai carry out summertime seeding to provide rainfall for farmers. Meanwhile, the Chinese Meteorological Association is the world’s biggest cloud seeding operation, reportedly creating billions of tons of rain each year to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars.

    These peacetime efforts are perfectly legal. But after the details of Operation Popeye went public, legislators began to push for an international treaty that would ban weather modification from being used in warfare ever again. As is so often the case, the law originated in the United States, among the very people who had been secretly testing and, arguably, benefitting from the technology in the first place. U.S. officials approached the former Soviet Union about an international agreement, which passed through the United Nations in 1976 and entered into force in 1978.

    Called the Environmental Modification Convention, the international treaty bars any action undertaken by military or otherwise hostile forces that could result in “earthquakes, tsunamis; an upset in the ecological balance of a region; changes in weather patterns (clouds, precipitation, cyclones of various types and tornadic storms); changes in climate patterns; changes in ocean currents; changes in the state of the ozone layer; and changes in the state of the ionosphere.” The convention is, in effect, so comprehensive it bans many forms of weather modification that, at least according to publicly-available knowledge, do not yet exist. While there’s an elaborate 12-step WikiHow for a tornado in a bottle, storms don’t appear to be that easy to create—or, for that matter, stop—in the real world. Cloud seeding, if and when it works, is successful only because it piggybacks on existing weather, rather than creating new storm fronts from scratch.

    But Deborah Gordon, director of the energy and climate program at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, says the convention is ultimately toothless. “You don’t even know where to look,” she says of current weather manipulation efforts. “There’s a lack of transparency in the research. We don’t even know what people are working on. You can’t govern something you can’t see. And that’s for peaceful applications.” Without the ability to measure these modifications, the Environmental Modification Convention or any other weather-related treaty is nearly impossible to enforce. “How will we know that there aren’t Operation Popeyes… going on or not?” she asks.

    Given our inability to monitor these activities, there’s reason to be concerned that the United States or other nations could quietly violate the terms of the convention. But, Gordon says, the more pressing question is whether thousands of small-scale environmental modification projects already underway will eventually add up to global impact. “It didn’t matter [that there was no transparency], because there were so few projects,” Gordon says of the 20th century. But “in the last decade,” she says, “the uptick in experimentation in terms of climate engineering has not only picked up from the government’s point of view… it’s now picked up in the private space.”

    A Bangalore-based company Kyathi Climate Modification Consultants leads the rainmaking project in Mumbai, for example. Kyathi technicians were, in turn, trained by the North Dakota-based company Weather Modification Inc., which has had a hand in weather modification efforts from Mexico to Morocco. In recent years, Gordon says, we’ve also seen the move beyond privately-led weather-altering schemes to climate-altering ones. Big corporations like Shell, as well as dozens of smaller startups like Carbon Engineering, have developed and begun to implement carbon capture technology. While these peacetime projects are all intended only to benefit the local community, they’ve become so widespread they could have an affect at a planetary scale. “If there’s enough local weather modification,” she asks, “at what point does that add up to more than the sum of its parts?”

    In the 1960s, another experimental weather-modification operation was underway. Called Project Stomfury, the military deployed pilots (pictured here) armed with silver iodide in the hopes of weakening damaging tropical storms. NOAA
    Most of the officials involved in Operation Popeye are now dead. And while weather modification is real (and the subject of troves of scientific literature), it’s also fuels endless conspiracy theories, from the Cold War-era concern that the Soviets would control the temperature of the globe to contemporary InfoWars-stoked fears of weather-wielding superpowers.

    But the real concern, Gordon says, is our rapidly changing climate and its effects on global water systems. As Cape Town stares down the end of its water supply and floods and droughts destabilize communities all over the world, she says, we’re starting to “realize now how little we know about the atmosphere.” New climate-altering technologies will continue to crop up. But instead of providing us with easy answers to our biggest problems, these developments should seed new questions.


  49. tomo says:

    You heartless swines are going to laugh aren’t you?