A review into Muslim integration, lack of, was under discussion….you might praise the BBC for broaching the subject. Or not. Who did they get on to tell us why the review was so wrong? MPACUK. MPACUK that many in the know say is an anti-semitic, pro-Jihad Islamist group that has very little support, if any, amongst Muslims. The BBC seems to have a love of the wrong uns….the MCB for example…which a recent Policy Exchange report labels as very, very unrepresentative of Muslims in Britain. Or MEND. Or Cage. Or any other foam-flecked Islamist who claims to speak for Muslims.
Did enjoy Nicky Campbell correcting a caller who told us that his Muslim friends didn’t want to mix with white people…Campbell quickly interrupted to say that this is not about race…this is about religion. [hmmm…isn’t Islam a ‘race’ now?] Campbell then one minute later interrupted the same guy as he spoke about Islam and how it effected how Muslims saw non-Muslims, Campbell told him not to be racist……so one minute the guy is racist for telling us what his friends said, Campbell saying it is about religion, then, paradoxically, he is also racist for relating it to what the religion says. Campbell has many Muslim friends…so he knows a lot…taught everything he knows by the great Islamic scholar Mo Ansar.
Wikileaks pounds Clinton…the BBC isn’t interested and admits it…
In some alternate universe, the Clinton Wikileaks story would be dominating the news this weekend.
In a race for the presidency the BBC doesn’t think these leaks relevant? Only in some other alternate universe? Bizarre…or deliberately dodging difficult material for the Clinton campaign. Oh they’ve reported them but you have to look for the report buried on the US/Canada page….no such problems if you want to know what Trump said, not in an offical speech, but in a private conversation eleven years ago…it’s all over the BBC.
Why does the BBC show no interest in a comment attributed to her that Muslims and Blacks are ‘professional never-do-wells’? The comment comes up in emails from John Podesta, chairman of the Clinton campaign with many saying it was in one of her Wall Street speeches…but as she won’t release the transcripts that’s hard to prove…looks like it’s actually a comment by Podesta himself….still as chairman of her campaign surely highly relevant and interesting for other reasons…..
What makes for successful immigration? It’s no brain surgery, but the media have long failed to provide a clear credible answer. They are unable to come up with an answer or don’t like the answer that’s staring them in the face. The main reason behind successful immigration should be painfully obvious to even the most dimwitted of observers: Some groups of people are almost always highly successful given only half a chance (Jews*, Hindus/Sikhs and Chinese people, for example), while others (Muslims, blacks** and Roma***, for instance) fare badly almost irrespective of circumstances. The biggest group of humanity can be found somewhere between those two extremes – the perennial overachievers and the professional never-do-wells.
The email is very long and gives an interesting insight into Europe, immigration, Jews and Muslims….the BBC won’t be looking closely at this anytime soon I imagine…here’s a taste…
Among the multitudes of MSM falsehoods rammed down the throats of German brainwasheables [LOL….us too!], the German media are arguing that the many millions of new arrivals will somehow replenish Germany’s graying and shrinking labor force. Never mind that all available figures show that the vast majority of working-age Muslims in Euroweenieland are not only jobless, but also structurally unemployable (completely lacking in all marketable skills). The frightening future of German schmeducation can be best seen in a clip giving an impression of your average Mickey Mouse vocational school, which aims to turn Muslim kids into semi-employables at the lowest possible level and fails miserably across the board https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzMzT6MEzu0. Go to 30 seconds. To give you an idea, a mind-mashing 63 percent of preschool immigrant children (often 4th generation!) in Berlin’s Kreuzberg district speak little or no German and are theoretically inadmissible to an elementary school, disclosed Professor of Pedagogy Ali Ucar in Time magazine.
Back to Trump and the BBC…..
The BBC doesn’t want to give a win to Trump for yesterday’s debate with Clinton…on their analysis at best they say he did enough to keep the show on the road and didn’t get derailed by Clinton…the web report says this..
What resulted was a muddled mess, with both candidates gaining the upper hand on occasion and stumbling in other moments.
Given that Mr Trump’s campaign has been in freefall over the past 48 hours, anything less than a total Jack-Nicholson-at-the-end-of-A-Few-Good-Men style meltdown onstage has to be deemed a marginal success on his part, and so it was.
Given that his campaign was in freefall [the BBC wishes] his success last night might actually be viewed as a stunning comeback…or a ‘marginal success’ if you’re a BBC reporter.
Looking at the Drudge poll [maybe self-selecting] Trump wins hands down [on nearly a million votes]…..
The BBC’s ‘Reality Check’ is always interesting, mostly in the way that it interprets ‘reality’…not the same as most people I’d wager, certainly judging by the way they reality checked the referendum. Here they check who’s fibbing in the Trump/Clinton debate….
Amusingly I’d bet they wish they’d never started as it seems that Trump is actually right about most things…though the BBC, whilst grudgingly admitting that, downplay it and then defend Clinton by relativising her mistakes out of existence.
Interestingly the BBC seem to have missed a big story and look to have no intention of giving it much airtime at all…
‘Dominating the debate’? Not for the BBC. If it had been Trump facing charges of rape…imagine the BBC reaction….just look how overboard they go on his ‘locker room’ comments.
Astonishing that the BBC seem to have totally ignored this pre-debate surprise….not a mention of it on Nicky Campbell this morning as he tackled Trump’s ‘terrible’ comments…but not the slightest interest in Clinton’s emails and failures…or her backing of her husband for his actions whilst attacking Trump for his comments.
The Today programme also decided that Trump’s comments were worthy of analysis…unfortunately one commentator denouncing Trump for his offensive language called him a ‘repulsive ape’…total silence from the presenter. Odd how if you’re a Lefty and you don’t like what someone says you can call them whatever you like however offensive…and yet the opposite doesn’t apply to those who are on the Right.
#1 – In 1974, after Bill Clinton lost his bid for a Senate seat, Hillary lashed out at campaign manager Paul Fray calling him a, “f*cking Jew bastard!” This outburst was witnessed and confirmed by 3 people, so it definitely happened.
#2 – As First Lady, Hillary called young black men “super-predators” indicating that she thought all young black males were violent criminals. She also said, “We have to bring them to heel,” like young blacks are the same as dogs. Despite thinking this was incredibly racist, blacks still support Hillary.
#3 – While serving in the US Senate, Hillary tried to make a joke that disparaged a civil rights icon and demeaned all people from India. “I love this quote. It’s from Mahatma Gandhi. He ran a gas station down in St. Louis for a couple of years. Mr. Gandhi, do you still go to the gas station?” asked Clinton.
#4 – In 2005 Hillary said, “I am adamantly against illegal immigrants.” She also, as a Senator, voted to construct a wall between the US and Mexico. Considering the main “proof” of Trump’s racism is that he opposes illegal immigration and wants to build a wall, isn’t it odd that Hillary gets off for having said the same thing?
#5 – During the 2008 democratic primaries Hillary Clinton’s campaign started the “birther” rumors, questioning Obama’s US citizenship. They even circulated the now famous picture of Obama in full Muslim garb. Somehow Trump’s campaign to get Obama to release his birth certificate is racist, but Hillary’s role in starting the birther movement is not.
#6 – Also during the 2008 presidential race, Hillary’s husband Bill said this of Obama: “A few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee.” Hillary didn’t say this one but her husband did and she certainly never disavowed it.
#7 – Shortly after announcing her candidacy, Hillary said “all lives matter” in a black church. I don’t think this one is racist, but lefties, black activists, and Hillary herself all do, so it makes the list. Plus as is the case with most of this stuff, if Trump had said it liberals would freak the hell out.
#8 – In November of 2015, Hillary called people in this country illegally “illegal aliens.” Trump is a racist when he says “illegal aliens,” why isn’t Hillary?
#9 – In April of this year, Hillary joined NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio on stage at a democratic fundraiser for a scripted joke about how lazy black people are. The two liberals made reference to “colored people’s time” which is a super-racist way of saying black people are chronically tardy and lethargic.
#10 – April was a great month for Hillary’s racism, as she also made a comment disparaging Native Americans. She said she had experience dealing with wild men when they “get off the reservation.” In essence she said Native Americans are savages who must be segregated from the rest of society.
As a bonus:
#11 – On a black radio show, Hillary pandered to black voters by claiming she always carries hot sauce in her purse. It was racist when Donald Trump pandered Hispanics by eating a taco bowl, but not racist when Hillary pandered blacks. How does that work?
On March 16, 2016 WikiLeaks launched a searchable archive for 30,322 emails & email attachments sent to and from Hillary Clinton’s private email server while she was Secretary of State.
The BBC’s long march against UKIP and ‘The Right’ continues as it asks ‘What is the point of UKIP?’. The BBC of course doesn’t ask ‘What is the point of Labour’ as it implodes having been taken over by the nasty Marxist’s of the People’s Not So Popular Front of Islington.
Always remarkable how UKIP is labelled ‘Nazi’ merely because they promote the idea that immigration should be controlled, just controlled, not stopped completely as the BBC likes to imply. Nicky Campbell dragged in the very bitter Nikki Sinclaire, expelled from UKIP, to tell us why UKIP is history…no bias there. We also had a caller who told us that UKIP was Far Right just like the BNP…and one who suggested some UKIP members were ‘plants’ for other parties…guess which suggestion Campbell mocked and derided?
I would suggest there is more point than ever to having UKIP around now that we see the Remainers working hard to undermine Brexit by every means possible….helped enormously by having Remain campaigner Phillip Hammond as Chancellor and doing his utmost to talk down Brexit at every turn and to subtly change the terms of reference…such as saying freedom of movement will still be available for the ‘highly skilled’. Well no…it is not up to the EU to decide who comes here, it is up to the UK to decide….so no EU imposed freedom of movement even for ‘special groups’. If we want highly skilled people then they can come but under UK admission rules not because the EU waves a magic wand. And of course Hammond still wants to stay in the Single Market….so not really a Brexit fan at all and entirely untrustworthy as a negotiator for Brexit. Should the likes of Hammond successfully block Brexit I imagine that the renovation of parliament won’t be a problem as the Peasants revolt and storm it. Can’t see a betrayal by the political class and the media lefties being taken lying down on this one. Trouble ahead.
This morning on R4’s Broadcasting House we heard another addition to the BBC’s long sneer (28 mins) at UKIP as it again tried to paint it as racist and an irrelevant rabble. We were told we’d have a quick run down of UKIP background but you’d have little idea that this has been a highly successful party that has brought the Liberal Establishment to a heightened state of panic, not only as it disembowels Labour and scoops up its supporters with 4 million voters, but has also been the driving force behind one of the most momentous events in British political history…Brexit of course. The BBC preferred to mock and ‘Trumpify’ it by suggesting it is packed with violent, sexist, probably racist, back-stabbing people who have no interest in ‘ideology’. They dragged in Michael Crick to do a little hatchet job….apparently UKIP is the worst of the worst…no other political party has any of its problems or attitudes. The presenter finished off of course with a suggestion that the ‘tone’ of UKIP was a bit nasty…..again based upon what? Labour complains that the Tories have opened the Gates of Hell because of their new found desire to control immigration and then we have Labour’s Keir Starmer saying we must control it…though the BBC concentrates on his thought that we must have a vote on Brexit….whereas the Mail tells of ‘major split’ in Labour…
Curious how immigration was a BBC top story when attacking the Tories but it is relegated to a back seat when a Labour person, in complete opposition to his leader’s views, back the Tory stance.
Not suggesting the BBC would like to promote the idea of a vote by MPs on the terms of Brexit..in other words an end to Brexit…but, well, that’s the case isn’t it. BBC politicking for the Remian camp as always.
The BBC’s narrative that Leave voters are all racists is clearly absurd, the BBC’s labelling of all white people in such a manner is bad enough but to completely ignore the evidence that many non-whites and non-Brits support Brexit is massively dishonest and nasty especially as that narrative of demonising white people, is used for political purposes to smear ‘Brexit’ as the offspring of a racist ‘ideology’.
At the heart of BBC journalism is a mission to deliver an accurate and impartial news service. Whether drawing on the expertise of its journalists or from external sources to interpret events or issues, the BBC aims to enhance audience understanding and knowledge about what is happening in the world. Part of the remit includes making sense of the blizzard of statistics that infuses so much contemporary debate, from the latest crime figures, to trends in the health service or the numbers claiming welfare benefits.
I don’t know if any of you have been listening to the BBC’s coverage of the Junior Doctors’ strike plans but from what I have heard, and it’s quite extensive, I’d say that accuracy and impartiality play little part in the BBC’s reporting aims and that enhancing the audience’s understanding and knowledge, making sense of events, is the least of the BBC’s concerns.
Junior doctors put patient’s lives on the line so they could get more saturday overtime whilst all the time claiming the strikes were about patient safety. And the interest from the BBC now? Zilch.
Exactly the same scenario is playing out now as the BBC neglects to inform us that the only, the only, issue is saturday pay…the health and safety of patients, the survival of the NHS, are not in the slightest genuine considerations for the Junior Doctors. It’s all about pay. But does the BBC tell us that?, does the BBC challenge the numerous Junior Doctors who fill the airwaves with their heartwarming assurances that this is all about saving the NHS and keeping patients safe? No.
Do you understand their (junior doctors) concerns, not just about their working conditions but the situation within the NHS and the long term threats that many of those junior doctors perceive to exist?
Pretty one-sided there and not dealing with the real issue at the heart of the dispute…saturday pay…and not long after he also insists on giving the ‘alternate view so we can balance it.’ to another caller who is also against the strikes.
Peter Allen the day before insisted that the government’s contract be torn up and scrapped as it was clearly unworkable..in his opinion…this was a view repeated quite frequently on 5Live over the next couple of days.
The BBC’s coverage of the issues surrounding this strike is highly misleading and uninformative and without doubt pro the Junior Doctors side.
And one last thing…those doctors who say they have the safety of patients and the survival of the NHS at the forefront of their minds and then tell us they will leave the NHS if things don’t improve, ie, they don’t get more money, just where do these moral crusaders troop off to? To private companies that pay far better and are all too often in lovely, warm, sunny climes. So much for the doctors’ horror of the supposed privatisation of the NHS….not so terrifying when it comes to padding out the pay check…or as more colourfully put by one doctor…
“I don’t care about anything apart from extracting the best contract. Don’t give a shit about anything else.”
Amazed to hear that Corbyn is the ‘new politics’…..isn’t he kind of old hat, a disinterred commie who hasn’t realised his form of state sponsored bullying, intimidation and corruption doesn’t work…not even at the point of a gun (or bricks through windows)? Strange that not one mention was made by Campbell of UKIP in response…the party that took 4 million votes, so many of them from Labour, at the General Election and took votes from Corbyn at the EU Referendum. UKIP look to be the real ‘new politics’….and the joy is they have only one MP…so he won’t cause much trouble to the leadership unlike Corbyn’s unruly mob…oh hang on.
Amused to hear Campbell getting on famously with one caller who had a short poem to read out about Labour….the friendly atmosphere suddenly vanished, as did the caller as Campbell cut him off, when he said he thought Corbyn was sinister…I laughed…I am of the same opinion…others might think he’s lovely and friendly…He’s not, he is definitely sinister…Nick Cohen seems to agree….
I can make a fair case for saying that Jeremy Corbyn is the most hypocritical and unscrupulous leader in Labour’s history. His paid employment while he was an MP was nothing so elevated as corporate lobbying. It consisted of working for the propaganda stations of Russia and Iran. If you watch the YouTube videos of Corbyn in action, you cannot pretend that he is challenging his paymasters or even politely expressing an alternative point of view. He is a mouthpiece for his ugly employers. A willing rather than a merely mercenary mouthpiece, I grant you. Hatred of the West and the willingness to excuse any state as long as it is anti-Western animated him. He is a propagandist for the love not the money.
‘Jeremy is a decent man’. Really? No decent person is the flunkey of fantastically corrupt states. ‘Jeremy is left-wing.’ Is he? He has a funny way of showing it. Iran and Russia are self-proclaimed conservative states. Iran is the bastion of theocratic Shia conservatism. It persecutes ethnic and religious minorities – until Assad began his mass murders, Iran was the worst place in the world to be a Sunni Muslim – and jails trade unionists. Putin, meanwhile, tells the European far right to reject liberalism, and embrace his reactionary nationalism. From a Russian point of view, Corbyn and Seumas Milne’s most prominent comrade is Marine le Pen.
Owen Smith may hope that an honest critique of Corbyn will shift more away from him. Most Corbyn supporters do not, he may calculate, believe in excusing and indulging Russia, Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas. They are decent people at heart motivated by justifiable fury at the rotten state of England.
Whether Smith goes with hope or fear will tell us much about him – but much more about the modern Labour Party.
How the BBC treats Corbyn and his sinister activities and ideologies will tell us so much about the BBC….so far it has seemed incredibly reluctant to do little more than scratch the surface of Corbyn’s pact with the Devil.
A caller, a hardcore Corbynista, to Campbell’s show claimed that the BBC was biased against Corbyn….Campbell let her rant on uninterrupted and engaged in debate with her about the BBC’s ‘bias’. How unlike the treatment any other caller from the ‘right’ who mentions BBC bias gets…they are instantly derided and shouted down and then cut off.
Campbell boasted that his new found tolerance for those who criticise the BBC shows ‘how we’re listening…that’s what ‘Your Call’ is all about’. Didn’t last long this new found tolerance. Campbell actually asked for more ‘BBC bashing’…and when we had a couple of callers come on to say their piece he shut them down…one who criticised Pienaar and Kuenssberg, was rapidly told to go away…apparently the golden ones are untouchable and not to be criticised….even if you are an old lefty.
The ‘new politics’ of Corbyn just like the new tolerance of Campbell…illusory.
An axe attack on passengers on a train in Germany….at least 18 injured, some very seriously….the BBC reports that the attacker was ‘German’, coz he lived in Germany right? and the BBC’s Hugh Sykes considers that this might well be a plot by the Far Right in Germany to get ‘New Germans’ to attack indigenous Germans in order to stir up hatred…apparently the attacker was told that it is the custom in Germany to wallop someone around the head with an axe just as it is to rape and molest girls on New Year…he was just trying to integrate. Sweet.
Actually, funnily enough, that isn’t what the BBC said, nor Hugh Sykes, though past performances might indicate that such utterances would be perfectly within the realm of possibility for them.
The BBC is, as ever, reluctant to speculate...’The motive for the attack is not yet clear’…..unless of course it is the motivations of white police officers when they shoot a black person, then it’s definitely ‘racism’, or when a Muslim school suffers an arson attack say…then it’s definitely the EDL, despite a distinct lack of evidence….and you’ve just got to love this…
Although the motive has not been established, the BBC’s Damien McGuinness in Berlin says there is nervousness in Germany about attacks by Islamist extremists following the attacks across the border in France.
The BBC clearly doesn’t know that the attacker shouted ‘Allah Akhbar’ as he struck, they’d report it right?….might be a clue as to motive…or maybe not as the BBC tells us of a earlier attack..
In May, a man reportedly shouting “Allahu akbar” (“God is great” in Arabic), killed one person and wounded three others in a knife attack at a railway station near the German city of Munich.
Ah yes, the favourite get out clause…mental illness…unless it is a white right-winger with well documented mental illness who kills a Labour MP….then it’s definitely political.
Sykes is in fact off on his own little tour of the planetary system as he pumps out what can only be described as the very life-blood of this site….we could have a separate little site just for him. Twitter is such a rich hunting ground for anyone looking for low flying twits…..
@ShelaghFogarty@HughSykes Some might be able to think of 350million reasons why “or being lied about, don’t deal in lies” is relevant now
Enough, enough, I can’t take anymore…and there is so much more….let’s just finish on this…Sykes couldn’t help but retweet this bit of puffery for himself…
@BBCPM I always relish @HughSykes‘ insightful, interesting, considerate reports. A man at the top of his profession. #bbcpm
I don’t know who Andrew Booton is but I’m assuming he is closely related to the first caller to Nicky Campbell this morning who told us that Aliens were keeping us safe and wouldn’t allow harm to come to the planet whichever way we voted on Trident.
“You can either wage Jihad by the tongue and by the mouth – that is ideological jihad – or by the hand and the sword. Those are the official categories of jihad.” BBC
Throughout the day the BBC has been referring to the Jihadist who murdered 84 men, women and children in Nice as an Islamic State ‘Soldier’. As Victoria Derbyshire told us that British soldiers in Afghanistan whose actions against the Taliban resulted in the accidental death of civilians were ‘murderers’ I suppose it is only fair that an ISIS murderer is defined as a brave and honourable ‘soldier’.
So-called Islamic State claimed one of its followers carried out the attack.
Whether a ‘soldier’ or a ‘follower’ the BBC is sure he had mental health issues or that his radicalisation was the result of alienation, discrimination and disaffection and all that….odd that so many white, non-Muslim people, in exactly the same situation don’t go on a ‘crusade’…..just what is it that makes so many Muslims join the Islamic State? Who knows eh? Another BBC ‘mystery’.
Once again France must contemplate an attack on its people, but what was the motivation and why was it not stopped?
Immigration has a long history here, integration does not.
There are large populations from France’s former colonies, places like Tunisia.
Some feel their religious beliefs are trampled by a secularism that is fiercely guarded. Some see little hope in a nation which denies them a chance of success.
The forgotten suburbs that house large numbers of immigrants have erupted into protest and violence in previous years.
They are policed by tough units that fail to reflect the communities they control. It is an unhappy mix that can open the way for a minority to be radicalised and moved to violent action.
One moment these terrorists aren’t real Muslim, they are mentally unstable, they are criminals looking for adventure and excitement, they are drunkards, drug takers and ignorant of the beauty of Islam’s true teachings and most of all, they are a very small minority, the vast, vast majority of genuine Muslims don’t agree with their beliefs nor their actions.
Then conversely we are told they are all Muslims and they really want to be free to practise their religion but are prevented from doing so by a fascist secular state which tramples on their beliefs, that whole communities are disaffected not just a tiny minority and they are ready to join ISIS, that they are the victims of a France that ignores and hates them.
Some might think it a shame that the BBC, as always, peddles exactly the same message that the terrorist recruiters do…it’s not as if the BBC doesn’t know this is the recruiter’s message as they report it here….
Imene Ouissi, a 22-year-old student who volunteers for a women’s group in the town of Vallauris, west of Nice, noticed in 2012 that local youths were becoming fascinated by slick recruitment videos produced by Islamic State.
‘You will never succeed here’
At the same time, self-styled preachers emerged with a message targeted at disaffected Muslim youths. Playing on widespread feelings of resentment about poverty and discrimination, they told their audience that they would always be treated as foreigners in France.
In Vallauris, one charismatic figure pitched up in a high-rise housing estate in 2010. People came from all over the region to hear him preach every Friday, until, after three years, the authorities dismantled his makeshift mosque.
“What he said really shook me,” Imene Ouissi recalls. “I had gone there because everyone was talking about it. He spoke the language of the kids, so they identified with him. His message was: you must not stay in a land of villains, you will never succeed here. You must go to a Muslim country.”
The BBC even dismantle its own narative that the terrorist is a petty criminal and therefore not a proper Muslim…here they report crime is preached as a way of attacking the Infidel…much as white, non-Muslim girls in the UK were seen a ‘white trash’ that could be used and abused without Allah being angry, it’s not ‘immoral’ to abuse non-Muslims…..Yazidi girls as well of course….
Kamel, a youth worker in the Nice area, says one of the reasons for the recent success of the Salafist ideology that has inspired jihad, is that it provides a ready and easy way of justifying the actions of petty criminals.
“The kids are told that they are in a land of unbelievers, so when they steal and attack people it is justifiable; the petty criminal is turned into a holy warrior, and is promised status, sexual gratification and eternal life.”
The BBC’s narrative is extremely one-sided and narrow, deliberately so. They have chosen a particular line about discrimination and a religion ‘trampled’ upon by a brutal secular state because that suits their argument that Muslims, even the terrorists themselves, are always victims and cannot be blamed for their actions. Certainly many immigrants are poor, though so are many indigenous French, but is that a result of discrimination or just the usual factors that are the inevitable result of being immigrants as in the UK where Muslims from certain Muslim areas of the world are less successful due to their own habit of ghettoising themselves and refusing to learn the language and engage with the full society? Islam is of course completely incompatible with Western society but that isn’t the fault of the Western societies which is the line the BBC and the Jihadists promote. The BBC blames the West for not totally changing its own culture and values to suit the Muslims. Why should the West change its values to suit those whose values are completely at odds with the West’s? They choose to come here, they fit in. They choose not to.
What it reveals is the unacknowledged creation of a nation within a nation, with its own geography, its own values and its own very separate future….Britain is nurturing communities with a complete set of alternate values.
Some of my journalist friends imagine that, with time, the Muslims will grow out of it. They won’t….they really don’t want to adopt much of our decadent way of life.
Many of our elite political and media classes simply refuse to acknowledge the truth.
The BBC could acknowledge for a start that most Jihadists are in fact well educated and often come from good backgrounds and have jobs and are not discirminated against. The BBC could also acknowledge that they are ‘integrated’ to a large degree and that there are many, many successful Muslims in France. Why does the BBC not present that picture of France rather than the highly negative one that is the favoured one of the Islamists both violent and non-violent? Why does the BBC not acknowledge that many, if not most, ‘Jihadists’ come from well-to-do backgrounds, are educated and are ‘integrated’ to a large extent? Why does the BBC not acknowledge that the one defining characteristic of all Jihadis is that they are Muslim? That is the really significant factor in radicalisation.
They tell us that the Nice killer was ‘suddenly radicalised’ over a very short period. No, he wasn’t. He has been fed Muslim beliefs and teachings all his life, they are the background noise to his life, the ever-present guide, however subconscious and ethereal, that is with him all the time. They inform his thoughts and beliefs and values even if unconsciously. Islam primed him for radicalisation, he identitifies strongly with Islam even if he doesn’t practise it devoutly. On top of that is the narrative that the BBC and its ilk feeds him [see above], that he is a victim of discrimination, that Islam is under attack, that he should be able to practise his religion without restraint, that as a Muslim he will never be accepted as French [rather than the real narrative and reason for being ‘alienated’…. that many Muslims reject French beliefs and culture and so often isolate themselves] and that his only way out of his situation is to fight against the oppressor.
The Jihadi recruiters feed him exactly the same narrative and he either joins the group or his resentment festers and he becomes a malcontent back home who becomes ever more devout as a Muslim and adopts the dress and language of a ‘believer’ as a political act of defiance…as so many Muslims did on 9/11…as was Bin Laden’s aim, 9/11 being his call to arms for Muslims across the world to unite and fight wherever they lived. The newly devout believer becomes an activist and political actor using the media, the law and political pressure to spread the influence of Islam….the Jihad of the pen and word which is even more insidious and effective than the bomb…the two combined are devastating in their effectiveness in pressuring politicians scared of appearing ‘Islamophobic’ or racist into granting huge concessions to the Islamists….do you think Warsi would have become Chair of the Tory Party if she’d been a Sikh?
‘One lesson well understood in both Stalin’s Russia and Nazi Germany was that propaganda is most effective when it is backed by terror’
The Jihad of the tongue and mouth, the pen and the word, are in the end the most dangerous….you can see how the Muslim Brotherhood’s Tariq Ramadan has created a powerful and influential ‘moderate’ persona that he has invented to reassure the media and politicians that he is a genuine reformer of Islam and that Islam can indeed be reformed, that we can have a ‘European’ Islam that is compatible with secular, liberal, progressive Western states….and yet anyone who takes the trouble to really find out what he actually thinks and what Islam really means would know that that image of himself that he has created is a total fiction, a mask designed to win over those who have the power to promote Islam and to protect it, unwittingly, until it is powerful and strong enough to take over.
Let’s be clear…Islam cannot be ‘reformed’. There is only one ‘Islam’, one mosque, one faith, one God…hence the one finger that ISIS wags at us, hence the MCB insists that Ahmadis are not Muslim, hence Shias are not ‘Muslim’. So when the BBC, and Nicky Campbell, insists that Islam is a faith with many different versions that’s simply not true. Islam, the Koran, is unchangeable, one faith, one interpretation. Only Allah can alter a single word of the Koran. And importantly Muhammed was the Seal of the Prophets, the last prophet, there can be no more…hence there can be no more Korans, no more revelations, no changes, no reforms…unless Allah himself graces us with his presence here on earth and rewrites the Koran.
All that may seem a touch esoteric but it’s vital to understand what’s going on, what is really true and what is so much smoke and mirrors set up to deceive and fool us.
The motivations of the Muslim jihadists? It’s not hard really is it? A lifetime immersed in Islamic propaganda, a narrative about Islam under attack by the West, a narrative of Muslims discriminated against in the West and a narrative that the answer is more Islam, that the West must Islamise itself to make Muslims feel more at home and that Muslims must become more devout, more separate from their Western, immoral, neighbours.
In other words the terrorists get what they want either way….they force Islam upon the West by force of arms and conquest or, more likely, they force the West to adopt ever-more Islam friendly policies and cultures in order not to alienate their rapidly growing Muslim populations…so more Islam either way. You can hear commentators and polticians suggest this every day on the BBC……We must do more to accomodate Muslim beliefs or Muslims will get angry and become radicalised.
They could of course just stand up for their own values and culture and say if Muslims want to live in a Muslim country go and do that….there are many to choose from. Odd though how so many Muslims would be horrified to actually live in a Muslim country….that should tell those politicians and media collaborators all they need to know about Islam and its effect upon society, industry, science, the arts and free society.
Why bother reforming Islam? That’s theologically impossible and impossible from a practical point of view…just look at the IRA….it’s been ‘reformed’ many times…and yet the bombs still go off.
Muslims who genuinely want to ‘reform’ should just adopt Christianity and be done with it.
Islam is not compatible with the West and it’s about time the BBC stopped pretending it is and stopped pushing the idea that all the West has to do is accept that Islam is compatible with it and will not compromise the liberal, democratic society that values free speech, free thought and individual identity. That’s a complete fiction that will only result in mini but ever-growing ‘Pakistans’ within Western states and the inevitable trouble that then arises.
France’s security chief had issued a chilling warning just months before the Nice attack which killed at least 84 people, saying another terrorist incident could plunge France into a bloody civil war.
Patrick Calvar, the head of the General Directorate for Internal Security (DGSI) – France’s equivalent of MI5 – said growing tensions between “the extreme right and the Muslim world” were close to breaking point, and that a confrontation between the two appeared inevitable.
Listening to much of the BBC’s reporting on the attack in Nice you may have noticed a peculiar omission as they seek to investigate the attack, the methods used and the motivation…..
The BBC for some reason fails to mention that vehicles being used to attack pedestrians, Jews, is a favoured method used by Palestinians. Does the BBC not want to have comparisons made between their ‘heroic’ Islamist friends in Hamas and the ‘nasty’ Islamists of ISIS?
The BBC is otherwise pretty quick to ‘analyse’ the situation bringing us conclusive facts about the reasons for the terrorist’s radicalisation, his motivation and who to blame for it all. The BBC’s very slick and practised emergency operation moved into gear as they sought to rapidly control the narrative and downplay the role Islam plays in this attack.
Straight-off the BBC thought that the mental health of the attacker may have played its part, an excuse the BBC always deploys when Islamists attack….this is the BBC that absolutely refused to mention that the killer of Jo Cox had well documented mental health issues and had sought help the night before he attacked Jo Cox. The BBC wanted to use Jo Cox’s death to attack the Leave campaign by blaming their policies on immigration for generating hate, hence it dosn’t want to muddy the waters and provide an ‘excuse’ for the killer of Jo Cox and a get-out for Leave. Clearly the BBC uses mental health as a weapon in its arsenal but one only used in the defence of their favoured terrorists.
Next up we had the standard BBC rhetoric….Nicky Campbell (who knows so much about Islam thanks to his guide and mentor the comical Mo Ansar) told us that this was all about alienation not religion and that was essentially the narrative throughout the day as Paul Rogers, a professor of peace studies no less (…from Bradford), told us this had definitely nothing to do with Islam and that we must surrender to the Islamists if we want to live in peace….and naturally we must fight anti-Muslim bigotry which can only lead to more Muslim alienation and disaffection.
Islam is absolutely not a threat to the West. No, really.
Here’s a couple of questions someone might raise in the good professor’s tutorials….
Why is it that only Muslims get radicalised?
and..
Why is France so much under attack when it didn’t invade Iraq and in fact voted against the invasion? Isn’t Iraq the cause of all this radicalisation?
The one question the BBC does have an answer for is is ‘who is to blame?‘ Naturally the killer is the victim here….the French government has failed to make him feel loved and at home in France…never mind he had a job, a wife (ex) and three kids…and he’d been allowed to come to France from Tunisia. Might then seem a tad ungrateful to respond to that by going out and murdering so many French citizens on Bastille Day.
Terrorism is the French government’s fault. The answer? More Islam. Muslims must be allowed to practise their religion freely and to its full extent in order to help them integrate. Integrate by being totally separate and ghettoised. Yes I see how that could work.
Perhaps the real problem is the fact that France allowed in so many immigants from North Africa without the jobs or social structure that could accomodate them…..just how do you accomodate people who have an entirely different culture, faith and political and social outlook on life?
That’s a question the BBC dodges and absolutely refuses to deal with seriously…a question that should be on everyone’s lips as millions of Muslims flood into Europe, thanks in large part due to the unilateral actions of Merkel…and with Turkey on the brink how many more will head this way?
Ironically it was on the World at One with the über wet, pro-Islam liberal Mark Mardell that we got a glimpse of what we should really be talking about as a French Republican was allowed to speak truth to power (26 mins 30 secs)..but is anyone listening? This is a real war…we must understand who is the enemy and how to fight it…and immigration is the problem which produced millions of people who feel ‘not properly treated and want revenge’. [But are they justified in feeling that way?] He says we must control the borders. [Racist]. The horrors we see in the Middle East will come here due to immigration of people who bring their problems with them.
Note also that he says intelligence cooperation is a joke in the EU [which we already knew….so much for Remain’s argument]. There is a huge problem with coordination of information.
Schengen doesn’t work…we have a free circulation of terrorists due to EU immigration policies.
Bet Mardell was kicking himself for not having the chance to edit that one down to some anodyne soundbites about a ‘senseless tragedy’.
[The attacks on Farage] have permanently installed the idea that the political class are a united vindictive force which regards the anxieties and concerns of a large proportion of voters with contempt. The people will not forget this lesson. Even when they return to the fold of the mainstream parties – as I have no doubt they will – in the general election, they will recall this vendetta, and it will leave a bitter suspicion about how seriously their opinions are taken by the governing elite.
Nigel Farage has hung up his spurs for a well deserved rest after having almost single handedly defeated what seemed like the unstoppable forces of the Establishment arrayed against him over the course of nearly three decades.
Much like Thatcher he is destined now to be forever mocked, sneered at and demonised by the likes of the BBC and the Guardian, all the more so for having been their ultimate nemesis, one man up against the torrent of pro-Europe, pro-immigration, pro-open borders propaganda that issued forth from the state broadcaster.
Adrian Chiles, who clearly adheres to the BBC othrodoxy about UKIP, repeatedly today claimed that Farage had ‘stoked the fears about immigration’.
Farage did no such thing. This is the usual BBC attempt to shape people’s perceptions and create the myth that there is not, and never has been, a problem with immigration…it’s just an imaginary fear created by the likes of Nigel Farage. Farage stoked nothing. What he did do was represent those who found themselves without a voice, their opinions shouted down, demonised as racists and silenced by the BBC which failed to report the truth about immigration and the effects it was having on society, the effects the people could see but weren’t allowed to talk about. Farage gave them a voice, he didn’t create or ‘stoke’ the fears. They were real and genuine.
Farage should be saluted and celebrated for the work he put in in the face of the enormous pressure and vitriol aimed at him, the tremendous amount of abuse, both verbal and physical, that he withstood, the mocking from the so-called BBC comedians and the interviews that were more like kangaroo courts than informed debate.
All we need to know about the BBC and its attitude towards Nigel Farage, and the people whose views he fronted, is that when LBC’s James O’Brien attempted a public lynching of Farage using lies, smears and innuendo in an aggressively hostile and prejudiced interview that had only one aim, to portray Farage as some sort of Nazi with a dubious morality, the BBC decided that O’Brien was just the man they needed to help present one of their flagship political programmes, Newsnight.
You don’t really have to know a single other thing about the BBC other than to recognise what the recruiting of O’Brien says about its thought processes, its values and the methods it is prepared to use to silence its political opponents…and of course just how biased it genuinely is.
Apart from the very obvious fact of the referendum substantiating Farage’s beliefs there are a couple of other points that should be made.
Remember that poster that the Left got so upset about?
And today a caller on the Nicky Campbell show justified Farage’s use of the poster saying that the problem was that they may be refugees now but when Merkel gives them all passports and citizenship they can go where they like and many will head to Britain. Campbell stated the he ‘understood that.’ So Farage was right and the BBC understands that…and yet still launched all out attacks on him for his poster….and the EU seems to have just a loose attitude towards the free movement of asylum seekers and imigrants as to that of EU workers…
POLICIES ON BORDER CHECKS,
ASYLUM AND IMMIGRATION
Article 77
1. The Union shall develop a policy with a view to:
(a) ensuring the absence of any controls on persons,whatever their nationality, when crossing internal borders
Remember when Farage was attacked for suggesting HIV positive migrants shouldn’t come here? The EU agrees…it says a country can limit the freedom of movement for reasons of public health….
There are limitations based on considerations of public security, public policy, public health grounds
Nigel Farage has been right all along and the BBC’s contempt for him shows which side of the argument they are on….they are in no shape or form impartial or balanced when it comes to immigration or EU membership and blatantly tries to gag those who would criticise either.
“When the British people speak, everyone, including members of parliament, should tremble before their decision . . .”
The big battalions at the BBC have been mobilised to rescue the European Project from self-destruction as it implodes due to its own massive arrogance, contempt for the people and conceited self-righteousness. Not only the big battalions though, the BBC has launched its EU jihadis out into the wild to go freerange to infiltrate the Press and other media to ambush, deny and harass in order to press the case for a general election and a second referendum by spreading half-truths, smears and outright lies about the Brexit vote and the people who voted Leave, stirring up hate and anger against them.
After Jo Cox’s murder the BBC really stepped up a gear along with Cameron and the Guardian to exploit her death, desperately trying to link the Leave campaign to the murder, Mishal Husain the next day suggesting that it was Leave’s, and only Leave’s, extremist rhetoric that caused Jo Cox’s death. Then we had the actual vote and the BBC went into meltdown, all semblance of balance and impartiality has been cast aside in order to put an end to this nonsense of a democratic vote overruling the elite’s domination and control….as Michael Heseltine suggests..…
We have a constitutional crisis unprecedented in peacetime and a referendum result that flies in the face in the overwhelming majority of MPs, who believe our national self interest is inextricably interwoven with that of our European neighbours.
Yes that’s right, we must do what our MP’s tell us to do. Funny I always thought it was the other way around and that the MPs were there to represent us. But then again the BBC, after the death of Jo Cox, hurried to suggest we ought to have more respect for our politicians and not to believe the evil Press which told us politicians were out of touch with the common man. What, politicians like Cameron, Osborne, Heseltine, Mandelson, Blair and Clarke? The most arrogant, conceited, out of touch, patronising, condescending and contemptuous (Did I forget ‘lying’?) bunch of politicians as we’ll ever come across…and they all want you to have another vote…just vote the right way of course.
The BBC really is going to town on this as it works to promote the EU and to inform us, educate us, as to how vital the EU is to maintain peace, security, stability, economic success and the cultural and social benefits of staying part of Big Brother. The other tactic is to delegitimise the Leave campaign, as said above by blaming it for the death of Jo Cox and for the ‘unleashing of racism’ as well as claiming the campaign was based upon lies and extremism that fooled or tricked the voters, the voters who were too stupid, uneducated or prejudiced or who didn’t care enough to vote the right way. The voters that were too old, too white, too poor, too stupid to be allowed to vote…their vote doesn’t count apparently. Never mind I know plenty of highly educated, well off young people who voted Out….and no, they’re not ‘racist’ in the slightest….unless smug BBC types count as a race.
On Thursday Melvyn Bragg compromised his integrity and produced a programme that was blatantly about the EU and the benefits of being subsumed by a superstate telling us that splitting authority between different bodies is the road to conflict, that the good order of the state is founded on one ruler, one faith (God Bless the EU) and one system of law and that the solution to fragmentation and instability is ‘sovereignty’…of an overarching super authority. Just another BBC programme ostensibly about one thing but really a less than subtle allegory with a message about the wonders of the EU superstate and its all encompassing rule.
Then we hadFrom Our Own Correspondentwhich was again just a vehicle used to deliver a message. First we had Jeremy Bowen up to his old tricks and telling porkies about Iraq, delivering what has become the BBC standard narrative that the 2003 Iraq War was the root of all the ills in the Middle East….how about the invention of Islam and the Arab conquest and colonisation which is still an ongoing project as Saudi Arabia floods the world, including the UK, with money and fundamentalism to further its Jihad…both hard and soft?
Following Bowen we had a trip to Prague where we learned about the perils of splitting up a state…the BBC didn’t want to suggest that this leads to conflict and bloodshed but…..
Then we went off to Brazil…a country in crisis, a dire situation…a very different country to the booming and confident one it used to be as it’s economy sinks into the mire, we are told….all not compared in the slightest to the UK…no suggestion that this is going to be the fate of a post-Brexit Britain…no really.
Finally there was a report from Sudan, not much about the EU here but naturally Britain got the blame for the civil war there…apparently it was all about ‘divide and rule’….the British’s fault from over a century ago.
Just another day on FOOC where ‘programme’ is just another way of spelling ‘propaganda’.
Naturally Brexit has destroyed Britain and Leave got their country back….Germany in 1932 apparently. Personally I’d like to think it was Britain in 1941 after we’d smashed the Nazi hordes trying to subjugate us with their fleets of bombers blitzing our cities.
Leave voters are ‘precious little snowflakes’….not the BBC calling them racist surely?
Farage naturally gets it in the neck…he, and the people who voted with him, are xenophobic, Europhobic, homophobic Klu Klux Klan members…apparently, according to the BBC….and all posh Old Etonians are ‘casual racists’.
Seems that it is the BBC that has the genuine ‘racists’, the people who disdain Leave voters and label them and use that label to attack them…..Deadringers is just another one of those lefty ‘hatecrimes’ dressed up as comedy. If they’d said about Black people or Muslims what they’ve said about Leave voters the police would be searching their offices and computers right now. It is outright abuse, discrimination and demonisation of Leave voters. And it’s not just the comedy ‘racists’ who do this…the BBC’s most repsectable and solid citizens partake in a bit of hate as well….masked, not very successfully, as intelligent and profound comment.
Andrew Marr, Nicky Campbell, John Simpson and Anita Anand all engage in spreading anger, discontent and loathing against Leave voters.
Anand goes it alone in the Telegraph as she tells us ‘Britain needs to pull together to beat this ugly rise in racism’. Really? I’m sure the police can more than adequately deal with a few nutters and idiots without the involvement of ‘Britain’. Anand spins a few tales of racism into a country wide phenomenon that is endemic and on the rise…the very fact she writes this article suggests she thinks she is in Germany in 1932 (does she get her material from Deadringers?) and that a new Holocaust is about to happen. In reality she doesn’t think that, this is just another attempt to put Leave on the backfoot by propagating the idea that racism has suddenly become acceptable and is spreading like a virus across the country due to the Leave campaign. Just the usual lefty tactic of trying to win a debate by shouting ‘racist’.
John Simpson, well, his article in the New Statesman (A careless, nasty, mendacious and vicious campaign) I don’t really need to ‘Fisk’…read it for yourself, the prejudice, the extremely one-sided nature of his toxic narrative is self-evident and very, very obvious. Simpson is hugely disappointed about the Out vote and as is the norm blames the racism and ignorance of the Leave voters for it. Just as he ‘liberated Kabul’ he thinks he won the 1975 referendum…and is gutted that nobody asked him for his opinion this time….the Leave voters were carelessly uninterested in the referendum, they didn’t think it mattered he tells us…what complete bollocks. He tells us that the children and our children’s children have had their futures blighted, again complete bollocks…and naturally Jo Cox’s death is used to prop up his argument, his rant. Apparently Britain in 1975 was a haven of racial harmony and mutual respect for one and all, especially politicians…now things are so much more brutal and coarse…some thug had the temerity to shout ‘Traitor’ at Cameron…the uppity little pleb, how dare he.
Nicky Campbell also appeared in the New Satesman…the New Statesman certainly understands its contributors and knows where to get a reliably pro-EU line. Campbell uses much of his space to tell us how wonderful the BBC and 5LIVE is…and all done with ‘unimpeachable impartiality’…can’t say I’ve noticed, but thanks Nicky, must rememebr to check it out again, must have missed something. Campbell was ‘privileged’ to hear the ‘the pride, the prejudice and the passion’ coming over the airwaves…..the ‘prejudice’…..ahhh yes those racist, bigoted Leave voters eh? What’s up with them then? Apparently ‘The referendum’s result surprised no one here’ at 5Live. LOL. Had to pick you up off the floor when the result came in luvvie. Note also Campbell’s little love-in with Corbyn….Marr, also in the New Statesman, fed us a line about the wonders of Corbyn.
Rather than see this as a British vote, he portrays it, as the opponents of the vote would like to have it protrayed, as a vote split into certain sectors…..England against Scotland and London, the old versus the young, the rich versus the poor, the ignorant versus the educated…he doesn’t have the guts to say outright the ‘whites against the people with brown skin’…but of course he slips it in later.
He thinks this is the biggest democratic event in our history but then wields the knife to say it was all built on lies and foolishness…
It is also one of the elite’s most significant blunders, provoked by the most senior politicians for the wrong reasons and then pursued in what (to use a crude but apposite phrase) is the biggest establishment cock-up in my lifetime.
And Brexit attracts the ‘wrong sort of people’.…
There are calls for national revolt against the EU coming from across the continent. Far too many of the continent’s leaders welcoming our decision were the wrong sort of people.
The EU protects us all…
There are the darker forebodings about Europe, which has never managed to stay at peace with itself for long as a constellation of independent countries. Immigration pressures and the Russian threat are just a couple of possible sources of future conflict.
That’ll be the EU that has helped to escalate the immigration crisis and provoked Russia and stood back whilst IS and Assad demolish Syria and forced out millions of refugees who then headed towards Europe.
Fair enough he recognises the problems of the EU…
Is it possible that leaders in Brussels will eventually react, once the anger has cooled, to take a different path: to listen much more acutely to the sounds of pain caused by the euro experiment; to do a proper deal for Greece; to reassert democratic accountability (much more Council of Ministers, much less Commission); and to reassess free movement?
Which makes you wonder why the BBC et al so stridently shouts down the Leave campaign which articulates those very concerns and which the referendum was all about.
Marr then makes a big admission, again at odds with the BBC narrative…that Cameron’s much vaunted negotiations with the EU were a failure…
As soon as it became clear that Mrs Merkel was not prepared to countenance an end to the free movement of people, the plan began to fall apart. I vividly remember interviewing Cameron as the details of the negotiation became clear and thinking to myself, between his explanations: “This isn’t nearly enough.”
But Marr slips in his analysis here….
David Cameron and his closest political allies decided that the only way of scuppering Ukip and the Euro-hostile right of the Conservative Party was to give the British people a referendum.
The brutal way of putting this is that Cameron decided to put party management and tactics ahead of grand strategy, grossly overrated his own negotiating skills, and has been badly bitten in the bottom accordingly.
Cameron had no choice…you just have to look at the general election result when UKIP took 4 million votes to know that the Tories, and as it turned out Labour, were on the ropes about Europe. Marr forgets that Labour is currently being destroyed by that very fact as Labour voters haemorraged away from ‘in’ Corbyn to vote for Out in the referendum. And this wasn’t just an exercise in party management…as the result of the referendum shows the British public wanted a say that was long denied them about the EU….for them this was about democracy not any political party.
Marr also recognises that there was a ‘project fear’ and yet in all the post-Brexit talk from the BBC all we get is that it was the Leave campaign’s ‘extremist’ rhetoric that brutalised the debate. But Marr admits….
A close confidant of the Prime Minister told me, when I questioned him about the wisdom of this: “On the contrary, we need more fear. Fear is the only thing that can win it for us . . . We need lots of fear. We need as much fear as we can get.”
Don’t hear that from the likes of Anand do we?
Marr then goes all BBC and reverts to type…
The most significant reason Project Fear failed was that it was confronted by a larger project of fear: the fear of uncontrolled and uncontrollable migration running, cumulatively, into the millions for many years ahead. Frank lies were told. Gross exaggeration ran riot.
Lies and gross exaggeration of the Leave campaign? Bit of a lie and gross exaggeration in itself that claim.
Oh yes and what about this twaddle?…
A rash of racist and xenophobic politics immediately after the results.
‘Politics’? Does he mean a rash of racist and xenophobic incidents?
And of course the Leave voters were the losers of society, the people who had nothing…no education, no money, no scruples, no morality it seems….so they voted Leave…..
When George Osborne warned of an economic apocalypse, people with nothing who felt they had no opportunities just put their fingers in their ears and went “la-la-la”.
Seventeen million no-good-for-nothings have hijacked the country and don’t know why…the stupid bastards eh?
Hilariously Red Andy tells us..
There were people who saw what was happening and understood that disregarded Lower and Middle Britain was fed up to the back teeth and ready to revolt: some trade union leaders – whose job it was, after all, to represent them – and some Labour MPs.
Not the old Etonian, the Tory minister, the UKIP fella then, just some Labour chappies and union barons?
Marr presses the Remain line…that a general election is needed…after which of course Brexit will be quietly shelved….
In usual circumstances, we would expect an early general election. There is a strong basic democratic case for one: otherwise, we get a prime minister, never chosen by the country, attempting to enact a manifesto no party has ever stood on in a general election.
Trouble is Cameron promised a referendum pre-2010, backed out then promised it again…and the 2015 election was run knowing a referendum was on the cards…and 17 million voters does give the referendum legitimacy..as well as an act of parliament. As for a party manifesto…it will be the same as the one they run on now.
Marr ends by implying Leave may have destroyed the country and will have to apologise…
If it turns out that George Osborne’s blood-curdling warnings about jobs and investment turn out to be even half accurate, then those same cheerful gentlemen will have many personal apologies to make to people who do lose their jobs, or see prices rise and their pensions fall. There is plenty of anger still to come.
Perhaps all those who tied us to the sinking disaster zone that is the EU should apologise to all those who lost their jobs, their homes, their identity, their dignity and their hope. Funny how Marr doesn’t remember, and demand apologies for, the ERM or the lies and deceit that led us into the 1975 referendum, Maastricht and Lisbon…Lisbon where the ashamed and cowardly Brown didn’t dare sign the agreement in public as he signed away British sovereignty, the lies and deceit about immigration…but then the BBC has spent decades covering up those lies, so why reveal them now?
The Empire is striking back and the revolution is in danger.
The BBC is acting as the private propaganda unit of the Remain camp providing them with endless and invaluable proaganda to create the narrative that the referendum was illegitimate and that a general election and a second referendum is necessary or that Brexit can be blocked with some legal trick or that 17 million and 1 signatures on a petition will overturn the result….
Legally speaking, the petition would have to show a clear majority of the electorate now favoured Remain for a second referendum to be triggered, says the BBC’s legal correspondent Clive Coleman.
Utter tosh…there is no legal ruling that allows a petition, signed by who knows who, to overturn a referendum result. Just more BBC hustling to harass and pressurise politicians into bending the rules towards the BBC’s favoured way.
If the result is overturned and ignored the BBC had better hope people have short memories, the tanks will be on their lawn as well as the politicians’.
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