Throughout their coverage of last night’s local election results the oh-so-pleased-with-himself Jeremy Whine repeated, ad-nauseam, the oh-so-clever sequence in the clip above with such enthusiasm he seemed at risk of wetting himself with excitement.
I wonder how many other groups the BBC would dare to depict thus…
Will,
One of the oft used ways of discrediting this and other blogs is to take comments out of context to discredit everything. Thus I used the weak ‘nutters’.
http://www.eureferendum.blogspot.com/
Try A Hidden Victory
The problems of this country are very bad, but nothing like as bad as 1979. It is clear to DC that the econemy will not be as tottaly screwed as 1979
Wrong Gary Powell………..Wrong !
This country has cruised on North Sea Oil money since 1980 and has now got to start paying for oil and gas imports.
The US has run huge deficits for 15 years to keep the world economy afloat and US credit companies booming………….
This game can have bad outcomes……….
Tune into Radio 4 right now, some fictionalised account of the local election…tories sound like James Bond villans.
Goldfinger, he’s the man, the man with the midas touch, a touch too much……or what about oddjob..and the man with the golden gun(Christopher Lee)…goldfinger and a man with a golden gun..seems like gold is an overworked word in the James Bond universe. I like James Bond villians, but even getting a chance to hear them being compared to Tories would not induce me to tune into Radio 4. One has certain standards.
Pounce, re your Stockwell shooting post.
You take the BBC to task for saying the police said De Menezes was wearing a bulky coat when there’s no record they did. But the quote you’re taking them to task over was: “They [ie the leakers of the shooting inquiry] also contradicted claims he had been wearing a bulky coat, saying he was in fact clad only in a light denim jacket.” Where’s the word “police” in that? It just says “claims”, it doesn’t specify who made the claims, whether police or the witnesses you go on to quote.
Marc wrote;
“He was convicted of the “Virgina” shootings. So, he stills stand “accused” of the Washington shootings. Maybe a small difference to some, but others would argue he’s innocent till proven guilty.”
Thanks for that, I stand corrected. And I take back everything I wrote about the BBC in that post of mine.
jakester wrote;
“You take the BBC to task for saying the police said De Menezes was wearing a bulky coat when there’s no record they did.”
Thank you for your reply.
May I point you in the direction of the last paragraph from my original post;
“So BBC for you to try and suggest that the Police are guilty of misinformation. The claims of him wearing a bulky jacket came from your newsroom. To omit the news source and lead in the direction that there was some form of cover up is very naughty indeed.”
How the BBC reports on one story concerning Germany;
“Plans by a German town to erect plaques at a station honouring two aircraft designers are on hold after protests about their links to the Nazis.”
Followed later by;
“The Jewish community was quick to protest, as were some local politicians and the town council was forced to review its plans.”
And;
“Last month, the current Germany rail company abandoned its opposition to showing the photos in railway stations after a campaign by Jewish groups.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4979962.stm
And how it reports on another
“Some MPs in Pakistan have called for a debate on Mr Cheema’s death after his family said he was tortured.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4976884.stm
So according to the BBC the Jews will complain about nearly anything.
Yet Muslims are more dignified by simply asking for a debate.
Mind you other news outlets report it a little differently;
“ISLAMABAD, 6 May 2006 — The Pakistan government has asked German authorities to explain the cause of death of a Pakistani national who died in police custody in Berlin, a Foreign Ministry official said yesterday.
“The German authorities in Berlin are expected to complete the investigation shortly into the death of Cheema and inform us,” Nadeem Hotiana said.
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=4§ion=0&article=81794&d=6&m=5&y=2006
MULTAN, Pakistan (Reuters) – Students from an Islamic seminary in central Pakistan protested on Saturday against the death of a Pakistani in a Berlin jail by burning German flags and vowing to continue his jihad or holy war.
http://in.today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2006-05-06T230227Z_01_NOOTR_RTRJONC_0_India-248011-1.xml&archived=False
I wonder why the BBC hasn’t reported that the Muslims are up in arms over an Islamic suicide in a foreign land. But are more than happy to report how Jewish groups are quick to complain over a plague and a few photos.
Rick
I dont know how old you was in 1979.
But you are the one that is wrong. In every single important aspect. Far to many to list here. But if you really want me to I will.
Please speak to some one old enough to remember. If you are old enough shame on you.
Talk of America running out of liquid cash has been around since the thirties and it ant happened yet. Anyway there is not anything any politicians can do about it, apart from stop robbing you. So I suggest you stop voting for one that says he can. Save your money in Gold and pray, if that is how you feel.
BTW the gold price has gone up 80% in the last 3 years. 20% in the last 2 months.
I dont think socialists have got the idear with this globalisation thing. As the market becomes bigger smart prosperous countries can specialise. Everyone should get richer. Which means that relative to less wastfull and more productive nations this countries standard of life will decline. But by our own standards it should carry on increasing. Life is more or less stagnant here, because GB has stolen all the material benifits of it.
One very good thing about resonably free markets is that not even Gordon Brown and G Bush can screw them up that much.
The Thatcher legacy will survive Brownstuffs robbery. Whether your sanity, personal bank balance and pension will, is another story.
Capitalisms ability to create wealth and survive even socialists and their wars, is quite astounding.
Beware of political theories that say they know how anything is done, especialy creating wealth. As only business men able to create profits in a compeditive market, have even the slightest idear. And they are to buzy making more and shagging to tell a politician. Who are generaly to buzy shagging themselves or a partner, to understand anyway.
Gary wrote:
“As the market becomes bigger smart prosperous countries can specialise.”
Can this be interpreted as meaning that the western countries can do the specialised hi-tech stuff?
“As the market becomes bigger smart prosperous countries can specialise. ”
thats happening right now in Finland.
the social policies in that country (the home of Nokia) are such , that eventually nearly every Finnish worker will be either a scientist or engineer or entrepeneur. sounds crazy, but thats what they are doing – they really *get* this global stuff.
Estonia is going down the same route – seriously hi-tech. wifi access being rolled out.. etc etc.
i’m not saying either are perfect , but thats the trend in both of those countries.
meanwhile – what the hell is going on in the UK? it seems to be floundering , like France. no direction and no vision.
very interesting segment on CBS news tonight (on Sky News) – it explained how the oil price is set by interviewing a commodities trader. they went to the trading floor, explained how it worked and why they have those loud colored jackets, and how trades are made – and thus , how the oil price is set.
i’ve yet to see *anything* like that on BBC news. to the BBC , the City, might as well not exist. sure they report on it – but they never explain to the average Joe how it works.
Biased BBC and a cover up.
Al Beeb is doing something of a cover up on serial hacker ‘Gary McKinnon’ on how his illegal entries on other peoples computers wasn’t a crime but rather a quest to find and expose an American cover-up of UFOS…;
“In 2002, Gary McKinnon was arrested by the UK’s national high-tech crime unit, after being accused of hacking into Nasa and the US military computer networks.
He says he spent two years looking for photographic evidence of alien spacecraft and advanced power technology.
America now wants to put him on trial, and if tried there he could face 60 years behind bars.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/4977134.stm
So the BBC are saying that either this geezer is a nutter (looking for UFOs no less) or that the US have something to hide when it comes to little green men and the song title of a Carpenters hit record.
Either way Al Beeb tries to spread the message that this geezer is innocent.
Wrong….
Here’s what the BBC had to say about Gary McKinnon has to say in an earlier post;
“Eventually, Mr McKinnon got sloppy. He started leaving behind clues. At one point, Mr McKinnon began posting anti-war diatribes on the screens of the US government computers that were his targets.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4715612.stm
Hang on.I thought he was looking for Flying saucers?
So, now we have an angle of Anti Americanism, who admits to leaving Antiwar diatribes. (Not statements, not slogans but Diatribes. And the BBC tries to reinvent him as a victim.
I wonder if the BBC would try to defend him as such if the computers belonged to Bush House and the diatribes were anti BBC (or anti Islamic for that matter)
P.S
As for that photo you posted , It isn’t a spaceship, it’s a Russian plane.
Pounce,
I think i was there first. But what a nutter, “free” energy does not exist.
archduke | Homepage | 07.05.06 – 1:01 am
Most of the sort of people given access to our broadcast media think that the Stock Exchange is a casino.
Even when you explain why it is not they still dont understand.
I suspect that it’s because they are all arts/media studies graduates and unused to rational thinking.
Also, the point about open outcry markets is that they look chaotic and implausible so people are bemused by them and it’s easy to take the mickey. What they have to realise is that they work like that because that way works.
Allan @ Aberdeen
Not exactly. The product could be a cheap product, but the only bit done here might just be the marketing or the design. Or financing the production the stock or the initial investment.
Archduke mentioned Finland. But you can add to the list Switzerland, Iceland, Norway, Sweden and many many others,.
I met a couple in a Brussels bar last month, from Iceland. When I asked them what they do in Iceland they said. “We dont do very much at all. We do the same as most Icelandics, we make money buying and selling on the stock markets.”
think that the Stock Exchange is a casino.
Even when you explain why it is not they still dont understand. think that the Stock Exchange is a casino.
No ? If the institutions in London stopped treating Equities as Bonds and expecting a rising annuity from them and a capital gain on the churn, we might have a better industrial base. The fact is simply that Private Equity is making a fortune because “the City” cannot value Equities properly and is selling out cheaply to Private Equity houses backed by Insurance Company funding to undertake LBOs.
If The City was any good at anything other than shorting stock and going for cash we might have some technology-based industries worth the name…………..but if you look at FTSE lists over the decades and see how Telecoms, Industrials, Utilities, Shipping – have all shrunk as categories you can see how debt-financed takeovers have left the British investor with just Oils, Vodafone, Banks and little else to invest in.
Vodafone is just about the only big UK firm based on technology that has emerged since the war. And it achieved that position mainly because it grabbed an original duopoly with BT in cellular mobile.
Compare that with the long long list of household names in computers and networking etc from the US, nearly all started since the war.
Pounce,
From your first link,
Last month, the current Germany rail company abandoned its opposition to showing the photos in railway stations after a campaign by Jewish groups.
This sentence makes no sense at all. It could have been written by a poor student in journalism school. Part of the overall decline in BBC standards, I guess.
You are spot on about the quick to protest bit. The BBC simply would not take a little dig like that at Muslims.
I observed similar BBC reporting some years ago after a particularly brutal terrorist attack that killed and injured many Israeli civilians. Alleged journalists from the BBC at the scene reported that Israeli officials were quick to blame the uncompleted security wall for allowing the suicide/homicide bomber access.
Talk about kicking people when they’re down.
And the Impartiality Review has just found that there is no systemic bias from the BBC.
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
Vodafone is just about the only big UK firm based on technology that has emerged since the war
Racal ?
Dyson ?
UKAEA ?
Glaxo ?
Amersham International ?
What technology does Vodafone have that is proprietary ?
Last month, the current Germany rail company abandoned its opposition to showing the photos in railway stations after a campaign by Jewish groups.
Funny that since Deutsche Bundesbahn (West Germany) took over Deutsche Reichsbahn (Pre-War Germany and GDR) in 1990 to become Deutsche Bahn
Gary wrote:
“As the market becomes bigger smart prosperous countries can specialise.”
Not with Britain’s low-grade State Education system and debased Exam System.
Anyone wanting to do science subjects should go to the USA as do most German postgrads nowadays never to return.The British Political Class is “specialising” –
The aim is to focus on a) Retail b) Caring Sectors c) education so ritain can export its degrees and Education Testing based on SATs to compete with ETS Princeton.
What the hillbillies fail to notice is that hi-tec sectors are not people intensive but capital intensive with low rates of return.
It is psychologically problematic for the British to understand technology businesses which throw off very little Cash – the need to continually invest in R&D makes dividends low and capital hard to come by – look at Filtronic Plc in Britain selling divisions to US corporates because they cannot raise capital.
Take SONY – a company which dropped out of calculators so never really got into computers except as a subcontractor for Apple and a peripherals manufacturer – even its Vaio laptops are Chinese made by Quanta or Copal………………
It missed out on LCD and is now forced to be in a JV with Samsung I think – as Samsung, LG, and Sharp dominate LCD displays – originally invented in Britain – Univ of Leicester or Birmingham as an MoD Project.
If you slack off on investment you fall behind which is why Samsung is beating Sony hollow. British investors want Cash not R&D – British governments do not help industry and provide the lowest support in the EU
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4715612.stm
real hackers can hack Unix systems – this guy sounds like a complete amateur.
“the US military’s use of Windows let Mr McKinnon in”
slightly incorrect – the U.S. military uses a wide mixture of systems, as a defence against system wide hacking.
the most sensitive , classified stuff runs on the Unix variants
“We do the same as most Icelandics, we make money buying and selling on the stock markets.”
and the Icelandic government is aiming to become the first ever hydrogen powered economy (and thus become a world centre for developing hydrogen technology) by using their enormous geothermal energy potential.
thats a prime example of specialisation in the global economy.
Talking of tortured sentences…
This was broadcast a few years ago:
“France and Germany have now reversed an earlier decision to oppose a veto on the arms embargo….”
My wife an I were both listening to this – on WATO I think – and were both left wondering if they now wanted the arms to get through or not.
Quick – you have 5 seconds to decide if they want the arms to get through.
Quick quick.
“The Romans had a black emperor – without any need for race equality laws.
his name was Septimus Severus.”
This is one of those pub quiz history answers, but sadly there isn’t much evidence (either way) as to whether Septimus Severus was “black” in the sense that it would be understood today. His family came from Africa (in the Roman sense, ie the northern strip of North Africa opposite Italy) but concluding from that that he was “black” would be like concluding that a modern Londoner must be “white.” It might be, but then again it might not.
Not, of course, that it matters whether Septimus Severus was “black” or not – but we must do our little bit to prevent the spread of PC myths.
Jack Hughes – that’s funny. Now what if the newsreader had paused slightly after the word decision?!
Hmmmmmmm, I stand (or sit) corrected.
Just heard something quite uncharacteristic of the BBC on the World Service News. Something like:
“More rhetoric and bluster from Teheran.”
Nearly fell off my chair. And in the interests of free and fair debate, I have to concede that my post at 08.48 am was to a degree inaccurate. Rhetoric and Bluster applied to Muslims??!
Hmmmmmmm, again.
Lee,
Septimus Severus was not black in any shape or form. Their claim that just because he was from Africa he must be black is racist.
Elections out of the way – Politics Show can go back to Brown v Blair – never let issues get in the way of personalities.
Last week people were miffed about foreign criminals not being deported but really it was simply that they wanted Big Fat Gordon to sit on them instead of Bouncy Blair.
The fact that the BNP got 27.5% votes in Bradford and the LibDems only got 25% nationally doesn’t register – it is all about Blair and Btown and metropolitan London.
Clearly the BBC will never change – cannot change – and will always be irrelevant.
Rick – Absolutely right. This isn’t political commentary – it’s gossip. Nick Robinson is one of the worst offenders but they all play the same Blair/Brown Westminster village tune – ad nauseum. Haven’t heard a word about why the LibDims collapsed (and the fact they were actually in third place on 25%) or the impact of Galloway’s bully boys.
Rick
Vodafone was founded by Racal, founded just after the war by Ernie Harrison, and spun off as by far the biggest part. Prior to that Racal was the only NEW company in areas like defence electronics, computing, communications. No real startups of any size other than Racal. We were losing out even in non-advanced areas like making TVs.
The technology used initially by Vodafone was from overseas, of course. The UK has NOTHING to match the skills and technology force of companies like Nokia and Ericsson. (Nokia was nothing until it moved into hi-tech.)
I don’t think you can reqally count any of the other names you mention as UK start-ups since the war in the technical areas I was really mentioning. Amersham was not a start-up, it was the sale of a publicly-owned outfit. UKAEA is not a technology start-up funded by the market in the US-style – the venture-capital market that5 the US excels at, that has spawned really huge new companies in past decades.
I don’t think Glaxo was new – it is a great success, but not in the fields of computing/communications/electronics and software where the US has really scored.
And I would not rate Dyson as a really big new company.
If you think this is biased, then you dont understand bias. It was supposed to show the evolution of the Conservative Party since they lost power, gradually growing in support under successive leaders. It was just a fun, entertaining way of doing it, given that the subject can be a bit dry when stretched over 5 hours!
But if it was such a typically, totally biased piece by the Blair Broadcasting Corporation why didnt David Cameron see it that way. He didnt seem to think it was biased. But then I notice you cut the video off at this point.How devious. Its obviously a conspiracy. Typical BBCBias bias. Bias Bias.
Youre deluded people. Seek help.
What about Filtronic ?
Rick
Hi-tech does not necessarily mean low profit, low cash-genberation. Take a look at Sonus, the US’s world leader in VoIP systems. They have a very high profit level on sales, have nil debt, are actually generating cash-flow – and spend a hell of a lot on R and D to stay ahead. A start-up only 10 years old that is beating most of the entrenched telecoms switching vendors. Simply because good ideas in the US can attract all the initial funding they need.
Filtronics has always bbeen GOOD – but they are not really BIG !
By contrast there are dozens of BIG US companies that have started since the war.
Rick
It is only 20 years ago that British firms (with protection) dominated the telecoms scene in Britain – GEC, Plessey, Marconi plus STC and Ferranti.
Where are they now ? Dead or sold off as wrecks.
The technology used initially by Vodafone was from overseas, of course.
Which you would expect since GSM was predicated on the Scandinavian experience of NMT where they had roaming across borders and Ericsson and later the forestry and rubber company Nokia had most experience.
Racal is well-known and it was Racal-Vodafone in the beginning.
If you consider how Inmos was sold off by Thatcher to the Italians…………and how Plessey was carved up…………but the real Goofy Prize goes to Labour Lord Simpson and his sidekick John “City Boy” Mayo who destroyed GEC having sold off its Defence Electronics business to BAe.
I tell you British Society does not have the temperament or the persistence for High Technology businesses and Productivity is so low here simply because the country is dominant in low-technology, low-productivity sectors with no investment requirements and good cashflow for dividends ie: alcoholic drinks, catering, transport, publishing, advertising,
NB Glaxo was registered 1906 to make powdered milk for babies
Yes…..I notice you are a Cisco man……….it is simply that The City does not want companies that consume Cash only ones that throw it off.
Go read The Setmakers: History of the Radio and Television Industry
by Keith Geddes
and see how it started long ago with radio in the 1920s, how backward they were in making magnetrons for radar and how the Us mass-produced what Britain hand-built.
Remember Mullard ? Remember Decca ?
Rick
So other than Racal-Vodafone there was no new big UK hi-tech company.
Inmos started with an OK idea but then turned crap when it satarted wallowing in public money. I was surprised people were not prosecuted over that one.
What killed most of British technology was monopsony, (single-buyer markets) based on state-run monopolies of huge chunks of British industry and services.
At least Thatcher broke up the whole idea of the state knowing how to run industries. But no-one would get that impression from the BBC, which thinks state-run means efficiency.
Hi Bryan
“Hmmmmmmm, I stand (or sit) corrected.
Just heard something quite uncharacteristic of the BBC on the World Service News. Something like:
“More rhetoric and bluster from Teheran.”
Nearly fell off my chair. And in the interests of free and fair debate, I have to concede that my post at 08.48 am was to a degree inaccurate. Rhetoric and Bluster applied to Muslims??!
Hmmmmmmm, again.
Bryan | 07.05.06 – 11:49 am | # ”
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If the BBC calls the output from Teheran ‘rhetoric and bluster’, it is simply to promote the idea in the mind of the audience that behind all the talk, these guys don’t mean what they say and are really peaceful.
The BBC is pushing the idea that ‘Mad ‘Jad’ and the Iranians are merely a bit ‘unnuanced’ diplomatically.
They are not going to wipe Israel from the pages of history.
They are not going to export Islamic Terror and in absolutely no way are they actually pursuing nuclear weapons.
They are simply responding to threats from the West.
For the BBC this has the added bonus of making the US and UK look like warmongers; attempting to coerce Russia and China in the UN; those ‘staunch defenders’ of the anti-war ‘ideal’.
Bryan
“More rhetoric and bluster from Teheran.”
Yes, possibly unbelievable BUT what was the rhetoric and bluster in relation to? I have no idea but, given the BBC’s and Tehran’s record on this kind of thing, I suspect Tehran was probably talking about “wiping Israel of the map” or development of nuclear weapons. Both matters about which Tehran is deadly serious but which the BBC generally views as Iranian “rhetoric”.
What killed most of British technology was monopsony,
Good point but not exclusively so.
Look at AOR in Japan – founded 1987 by two Japanese radio amateurs it is now a major force in scanning receivers and units like the AR-5000 are used in airports around the world and in US defence establishments.
So why was the Japanese market for radio amateurs so huge and Britain so small ? in part because the British Govt made it hard to get the Radio Amateurs exam – the Japanese had a market 10-20 times the size of the UK even adjusted for population.
Why didn’t the British Government make the RAE a core component of all Physics Classes in secondary schools ? It would have had lots of radio amateurs trained and with a good grounding in Physics, and it would have been a great resource.
Instead the equipment comes from JRC or AOR or Icom or Yaesu and firms like Eddystone with their overpriced kit withered by being in hock to the MoD rather than building consumer markets to get scale economies
Read the letter in Sunday Business today about BBC World service………….
http://tinyurl.com/ztm23
Melanie Phillips on the report to the BBC Governors on Israel/Palestine
There are other similarly telling lapses. But far worse • and infinitely more revealing — is its conclusion that the BBC’s coverage did not
“consistently constitute a full and fair account of the conflict but rather, in important respects, presents an incomplete and in that sense misleading picture
because it gave more ‘on air’ time to Israelis than to Palestinians, and failed to give equal weight to the two ‘rival narratives’ of the Middle East conflict.”
Oh dear.
Are these panel members really so obtuse that they really believe that the only people who provide an anti-Israel ‘narrative’ are the Palestinians? The amount of air-time the BBC provides for the enemies of Israel overwhelmingly exceeds the air-time given to its defenders. It routinely broadcasts items in which Israel is defamed, with no-one putting the case for its defence at all. There certainly is a systematic imbalance • but it is all the other way.
Even worse still, however, is the underlying and extremely disturbing moral equivalence of this analysis. Rival ‘narratives’? How very post-modern. How very post-factual. BBC journalism should not be providing ‘narratives’; it should be providing as objective reporting as possible of ascertainable facts.
http://www.melaniephillips.com/diary/
Rick
What you say is I am sure, all very true.
However the same sort of thing could have been said every year since the industrial revolution.
And here we are now with the highest GDP per person ever. Not I agree as high as it could and should be. Which is an important reason why I dont vote for socialist parties.
The last time the government got involved with messing about in industry, we ended up with 1979.
We have had 9 years of Labour throwing our money down the sink, and we have still not gone BUST. Because Gordon has taxed plenty as well as spent till to his little black hearts content.
You seem to know a lot of things, but I still dont think you get the point. In a world market you dont have to make anything or especialy you dont have do everything in order to get the goods or services to the customer. Efficient services are important, as they are part of how we judge our quality of life.
Remember that in non state employment something like 90% of new employment, comes from companies employing less than 20 people.
There are many many ways in which quality of life is measured. For instance whats the point of being a millionair if your Rolls has no roads to drive on? Whats the point of owning any car, when you feel like a criminal every time you drive it,you cant park anywhere, you pay a fortune in tax for the BLOODY thing, and there is still is no extra roads.
Whats the point of working hard in Britain when your benifits decrease the more you earn? Your kidds still cant find a half good school to go to? You cant walk the streets safely? You will still have to “work untill you drop”, cos Brownstuff has helped make life so expensive, and robbed your pension. You still have just as much chance of dieing of neglect, in a NHS hospital. etc etc etc etc etc.
This country still thank god makes MONEY. However what the government and our political system fronted by the BBC does with a very big amount of it, is what politics and Bias BBC should be all about.
That was a party political broadcast on the behalf of the Conservative Party. And a rant.
The BBC would not use the T word to describe this gruesome killing of a journalist in Iraq :
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2168496,00.html