Throughout their coverage of last night’s local election results the oh-so-pleased-with-himself Jeremy Whine repeated, ad-nauseam, the oh-so-clever sequence in the clip above with such enthusiasm he seemed at risk of wetting himself with excitement.
I wonder how many other groups the BBC would dare to depict thus…
will
Thanks for posting the link to the Melanie Phillips article. I had sent her a few notes last week about our discussions here on the T word.
She talks of how often the BBC gives non-Palestinians the airtime to attack Israel. We had a prime example of that this morning on BBC 1, with Gloria Honeyford interviewing the mother of Hurndall, the photographer killed when he was a “peacenik” in Palestine. It was presented that they just get in the way of Israeli bulldozers that are knowcking down homes – never a word about the fact that the bullzoers are used to help block tunnels used for the smuggling of arms into Gaza. Never does the BBC expose the ISM to proper analysis of its motives and methods.
http://www.jewishjournal.com/home/preview.php?id=11027
Hurndall as usual was presented as some sort of saint. No one is ever able to put the opposing case, that he was a bloody fool, putting himself in harm’s way and not giving a damn about the endless terrorism by the Palestinians against the Israelis.
That is the typical BBC line, and it stinks of bias. But in the way the review “measured” pro-Palestinian coverage, it would not have been counted.
Gary I regret you have lots of opinions but little fact. GDP per capita in Britain is far lower than Luxembourg, Kuwait, Switzerland, and presumably Norway, and most probably the Irish Republic.
This is a simple arithmetic calculation which means nothing. If I increase VAT to 35% the GDP will increase and so will prosperity on your calculation. Similarly if we increase credit and get inflation up to 10% per capita incomes will increase rapidly.
Per Capita Debt is also reaching a record.
The simple fact is that much of British “prosperity” is predicated on Personal Debt exceeding GDP and most new cars are on credit.
You seem to have a quaint notion about business. In my world the Government puts out contracts for jet-fighters, Army trucks (to MAN in Germany), for British military uniforms (to Romania and China), for ships and for telecoms systems, furniture, paper, computers…………..and this you call “messing about in industry”.
Most small companies are suppliers to bigger companies. When I looked at factory sites for a major global electronics corporation we shopped around for the best government grants, the best depreciation deals of CapEx – taxes were unimportant as we knew how not to pay them. We looked for subcontractors with quality records and good airport links for shipping.
In the past decade the No1 job-creation sector was hairdressing No2 was NHS and care homes.
Since 1997 1 million industrial jobs have been lost replaced with 800.000 in the public sector.
The trouble is Gary you don’t use facts, you don’t know the data and revert to the old recitation of what is little more than prejudices. This country is actually quite low down the world order – forget the old canard about 4th richest – it most certainly is not.
in 1951 British troops fought in a peansant country called Korea; today Samsung, LG, Hyundai, Daewoo produce goods Britain cannot and it is Japanese, German and Dutch companies that are their JV partners not British ones
http://www2.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/chaebol.htm
British business is well-represented in the slowest-growing segments worldwide. It has few investments in Germany or Central Europe, little in China or India simply because British companies are largely property investors and financiers rather than manufacturers.
Gary believes you get prosperous by taking in each others washing. Well Gary if you send your wife out to work and pay someone to take care of your children the GDP increases – if you divorce your wife and pay the lawyers the GDP increases even more.
If you have all your teeth extracted and fit dentures the GDP increases, and if you burn your house down and buy everything over again the GSP increases.
You see how house-price inflation – prices have trebled since Brown started – have made everyone richer ? Amazing – so if house-prices double every five years China has not got a prayer
Re Hurndall he was a bloody fool, putting himself in harm’s way
Quite & it must be galling for Israeli, British & American troops to know that the restraints of operating under the control of a democratic nation results in no respect (ie fear)being shown to them by Palestinian, Iraqi etc youths. & in the case of UK/US troops neither to they get respect or recognition from the lefties back home.
Yesterday we had scenes of Iraqi youths throwing stones & petrol bombs at UK troops. They do it because they know that they will not be met by even equivilant force. Shame they are still not subject to Saddam’s justice.
Miouw !
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,175-2167869,00.html
“Septimus Severus was not black in any shape or form. Their claim that just because he was from Africa he must be black is racist.”
well ok – maybe thats disputed.
but there was Pescennius Niger
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pescennius_Niger
“Gary I regret you have lots of opinions but little fact. GDP per capita in Britain is far lower than Luxembourg, Kuwait, Switzerland, and presumably Norway, and most probably the Irish Republic. ”
i think it was about 2 years ago that the Irish Republic exceeded Britain for the first time ever, in the GDP per capita stakes.
and on top of that, the Irish government is getting unexpected revenue surpluses, rather than encurring debt , as is the case in Brownstuffs UK.
thirdly, the general taxation trend in Ireland is downwards – again, unlike Brownstuffs UK.
no wonder Osborne paid a visit to Dublin a month or so ago.
“no wonder Osborne paid a visit to Dublin a month or so ago.”
and may I add – when was the last time Brown visited Dublin to meet the Irish finance minister on a fact finding trip on how exactly their economy is booming. (or indeed Estonia say…)
just mull over that one for a minute.
Not that this is much to do with BBBC (except that eurosceptics are all treated as complete nutters by the BBC – when they’re acknowledged at all) but credit to the Irish Republic for making the most of its economy. Don’t forget though that Ireland plays the EU like a violin. Since its accession to the EEC in the early 70s the Republic has had its boots filled with treasure from the EU at the rate of about EUR1.6 billion equivalent per year (that’s about half the net UK contribution). Why do you think the Republic always supports any EU initiative? If the UK had had the same subsidy per head it would be receiving EUR 30 billion per year. That’s about EUR 1 trillion over 35 years. So less of the “well done Ireland” and more of the “thank you England – your politicians are the biggest mugs in the EU and you are mugs to tolerate them”.
umbongo – you’ve hit the nail on the head. you are spot on with your observation.
why the Brits tolerate this is beyond me.
the Irish electorate except, nay , DEMAND, that our politicians get us the best deal out of Europe. the pressure on them is ferocious. and it is covered extensively in the media over there.
despite the BBC’s “pro-EU” stance, the level of dumbing down in the BBC news reporting is such that i find that Irish coverage of EU matters to be far more insightful.
typo – “except, nay ,” should be
“expect , nay”
strange happenings just over the water from us.
But there will be no reports on this on the BBC, even from their religious affairs side.
galleries.hardparentalsex.com/04
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1051
The BBC likes the EU because it sees a similar organisation to itself. They are both large, extremely well-funded concerns with very limited accountabilty to their customers, customers who are forced to pay up whether they want to or not.
Going back on topic – sorry chaps! The fact that the Tories haven’t made much headway “oop North lad” is because most of ‘oop North’ seems to be black on the BBC maps which means THEY DIDN’T HAVE A BLOODY ELECTION THIS YEAR! Ergo in BBC speak, they mean the ApeMan Party did badly when in fact if they manage to do anywhere hear the same next year when the other councils ARE up for election then NuLab and the Libs are in serious serious bother. Yet again Bias by ommission. Aargh!
cameron just needs to be extra nice – whilst the “left” and “right” of the labour lot tear themselves apart.
expect lots of smiley dave in the coming months…
he BBC maps which means THEY DIDN’T HAVE A BLOODY ELECTION THIS YEAR! Ergo in BBC speak, they mean the ApeMan Party did badly when in fact if they manage to do anywhere hear the same next year when the other councils ARE up for election
Amazing ! Made that up all by yourself did you ?
Now I wonder why we had polling stations here and why the Conservatives lost 5 seats on the Council here………….but according to dave t we did not have an election….the BNP did not get 27.5% and did not stand in 16 wards……………..
Do you also believe the moon landings were shot in a Burbank TV studio ?
Re the “knuckle-dragging” animation with accompanying David Vine prancing. . .
I think most people may have missed the point here. The point here is that the Conservatives won 40% of the vote, and therefore, the BBC landed itself with an animation which directly and very crudely insulted that 40%.
Taken at face value, that’s suicidal behaviour from the BBC, going out of its way to ensure the eventual death of the licence fee. Eventually there will be another Conservative govt, and I for one would want them to remember the decades of BBC agitation against that election. Rubbing David Cameron’s nose in it with this animation was a surprisingly direct way of doing it. So be thankful.
But can the BBC really be that brainless? This is where the whole adolescent jokiness of the piece becomes psychologically interesting. Yes, B-BBC watchers found it painful, and it was. But part of the reason for that was that it was demeaning, and not only or principally for David Cameron. Rather, what happened was that David Vine was energetically demeaning himself into trying to persuade us and Cameron that all this was just a good-old bit of “all of us girls together” fun. If you had spent the last few decades beating up on the Conservatives as the BBC has, and the evidence is coming in that despite that, they’re going to be the next government, what would you do? You can’t give up your most fundamental political instincts just like that, but you’d try to do everything you can to persuade the incomers that opposition wasn’t serious, guys, just a piece of fun . . . It’s how the unions behave when they meet the new boss they’ve been on strike against. . .
And one other thing. Not only do you do it, but you invite the new leader to witness it. Because at the same time, you can make it publicly clear in the most obvious way, that you, the BBC, intend to mend your ways. “Look, David, John Major was a primitive knuckle-dragger, so was William Hague, IDS and Michael Howard. But you, David, look, we think you’re an upright fully developed human, you’re one of us. Was the G&T OK in the makeup room? Would you have time after the show to meet Mr Paxman for a drink . . . . “
Today Programme
For a discussion of the assisted suidcide issue, who do the BBC get on air to support a move towards assisted suicide?
Why, it’s the newly demoted LibDem European MEP Chris Davies. The irony is beyond the minds of Beeboids. Here we have someone who e-mails to a Jewish correspondent “I hope you enjoy wallowing in your own filth”, who within days is on to promote the idea of “assisted suicide”. Of course, the Today team make no mention of the fact that the gastly Davies had to resign the LibDem MEP group leadership last week.
“Boys from Brazil” anyone?
PaulC 07.05.06 – 2:09 pm
and Umbongo 07.05.06 – 2:13 pm
Interesting points. Maybe I’m being too kind to the BBC. Although the word bluster, even more than rhetoric, has quite negative connotations. It’s the defence of the bully and the coward, but also, as you rightly point out, the verbiage of someone who doesn’t intend to carry out his threats.
Yeah, maybe we shouldn’t give the BBC the benefit of the doubt. Its journos seldom give it to Israel or the US.
more self-infactuation from the Today team this morning – all on about the Labour party “coup” attempt, and how-long-Blair-will-hang-on
whilst totally ignoring the fact that the Tories had their biggest ever election result since 1992.
i honestly gave up after 5 minutes and switched over to classic fm.
” The BBC maps which means THEY DIDN’T HAVE A BLOODY ELECTION THIS YEAR! Ergo in BBC speak, they mean the ApeMan Party did badly when in fact if they manage to do anywhere hear the same next year when the other councils ARE up for election
Amazing ! Made that up all by yourself did you ?
Now I wonder why we had polling stations here and why the Conservatives lost 5 seats on the Council here………….but according to dave t we did not have an election….the BNP did not get 27.5% and did not stand in 16 wards……………..
Do you also believe the moon landings were shot in a Burbank TV studio ? ”
I can name the following councils in the Northwest, which had no elections this year:
Blackpool
Ribble Valley
South Ribble
Lancaster
Vale Royal
Eamonn “Of course, the Today team make no mention of the fact that the gastly Davies had to resign the LibDem MEP group leadership last week.”
Any other party, any other subject & the Today interrogation would have been on the resignation after the first on topic question.
I wonder if even Davies was amazed that he got away without any examination on that matter.
Rick,
Korea doesn’t manufacture anything that the UK isn’t capable of ‘producing’, their wages are low enough to make them competitive, while we are not. It’s that simple.
Samsung set up a TFT plant in the UK, it was their most efficient and productive (output per person) in the world. However, Chinese labour is so cheap, the plant couldn’t compete in the world economy. Samsung closed the plant.
How would these trade barriers, you are so keen on, have helped those workers? The TFTs would still be too expensive to compete on the world market and the only market for them, would be the UK. So, UK consumers have had to pay over-the-odds, for a TFT produced in the UK.
It would be good for the factory workers, good for Samsung (guaranteed maket for whatever they decide to make) and bad for 60 million UK consumers.
Just to clarify. Before you say we lack the technical ability to design TFT’s, you should consider the number of UK engineers that work in the Far East. When I lived in Taiwan, I was constantly meeting British and European engineers that worked for Taiwanese companies. In fact, a friend’s father is an engineer building Taiwan’s high-speed train system. I met a German that designed the lenses used for tracing CPU circuits with lasers.
You like to portray the UK as under imminant threat from ‘foreign’ competition. Even if that was true, so what? Surely it just means we need to become more inovative, competitive and insist that other countries open up their markets to our key industries.
“You like to portray the UK as under imminant threat from ‘foreign’ competition.”
thats what Gordon Brown, and sadly, even George Osborne bang on about – this weird notion of “foreign competition” – when we all know that modern globalised world markets arent a case of one state competing against another state.
how does Brown or Osborne deal with a British company that outsources manufacturing to China, a call centre in India, and its banking in the Bahamas?
is that British company “competing” against itself?
I can name the following councils in the Northwest, which had no elections this year:
Blackpool
Ribble Valley
South Ribble
Lancaster
Vale Royal
Mark | 08.05.06 – 10:18 am | #
Such a short list…….why not go on to list councils that DID have elections – little places like Manchester, Bradford, Leeds, Sheffield-
If you make a list of all the places that did NOt have elections this year Mark and then another list of the ones that did you could tell us which was longer and by how many millimetres
How would these trade barriers, you are so keen on, have helped those workers? The TFTs would still be too expensive to compete on the world market and the only market for them, would be the UK. So, UK consumers have had to pay over-the-odds, for a TFT produced in the UK.
To follow your logic Grimer we should drive wage costs much further down. You may be right – abolish all benefits, pensions, health care and go for competitive labour costs.
The simple fact is however that Boeing now has higher manufacturing costs because of Airbus. Efficiencies are decreased when Boeing faces competition as it pushes them up the cost curve by reducing the number of aircraft they can sell.
TFTs are made in automated plants – it is nothing to do with labour cost and Wales is comparable to Korea – it is simply that Government aid is pumped into the Chaebol and the development of LCDs is regarded as a strategic goal for the nation in Taiwan, Korea, and China.
Europeans are consumerist – they want lavish healthcare and cheap goods – even Per Steinbrueck, Germany’s SPD Finance Minister has said the welfare state is unaffordablein Germany. In short Western Society should return to the Victorian era and remove the floor on unskilled workers who drive up costs by being cartellised into health care and social benefits.
Just what are Britain’s “key industries” ? Would you care to list them ?
So, UK consumers have had to pay over-the-odds, for a TFT produced in the UK.
Not true…..most of the margin is in the distribution chain.
When you close a factory first you reserve for redundancy pay, that creates the losses you report as the basis for the closure. You get a nice rebate from HMCR for the tax losses and then sell them on to another division.
You might ask why Japanese semiconductor equipment from Nikon, Canon, Topcon etc costs 40-60% more in Europe than in Japan…………simply the invoiced value is inflated so the corporation gets its depreciation in up-front and depress profits in the Western location.
Even the Peugeot plant at Ryton has been rendered loss-making by transfer-pricing of engines and parts shipped from France.
Show me a Profit, show me a Loss and I’ll show you an Accounting System
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how does Brown or Osborne deal with a British company that outsources manufacturing to China, a call centre in India, and its banking in the Bahamas?
Brown and Osborn are irrelevant. They are unimportant now. Their job is to tax something to get revenue to employ people to generate incomes so they can consume and pay VAT, nothing more.
The most technologically-advanced manufacturing in the United Kingdom is undertaken by Rolls-Royce, Plc but without Government “loans” to enable it to underwrite risky investment it would be dead because The City cannot fund such things and failed miserably over the RB-211.
Government is irrelevant which is why it should shrink and why the Conservatives cannot do much other than Labour is doing. It is a game, the Conservatives are just as clueless as Labour and have neither policy nor programme to solve the problems which mean simply that society must over time become more stratified and the aberration since 1945 of universal welfarism – a product of The Cold War – will disappear as be nothing more than a blip in human history as it returns to the long-term trend of very rich, very poor and a fragile middle class going up and down through bankruptcy and ill-health.
more self-infactuation from the Today team this morning – all on about the Labour party “coup” attempt, and how-long-Blair-will-hang-on
whilst totally ignoring the fact that the Tories had their biggest ever election result since 1992.
i honestly gave up after 5 minutes and switched over to classic fm.
archduke | Homepage | 08.05.06 – 9:37 am | #
archduke – someone could have ‘assisted’ me to suicide this morning – I was groaning in pain, not from altzheimers but ‘Today-itus’. is there any known cure? ‘Today’ predictably goes on and on and on and on about Blair and the “When will he go?” question. GIVE IT A REST. It’s boooooooring! These guys at Today are totally obsessed! How about a 3 minute update once a week about “is he or isn’t he? (gone yet)”, then we can get on with something more entertaining and elightening. It’s like listening to “Westminster FM” every morning. I have lost the will…. Maybe the Joffe ‘assisted suicide’ bill will help?
I will try classic fm, although my wife says she doens’t like wakening to music, classical should be calming…..
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Has any one seen anything on the BBC about the murder of Atwar Bahjat in Iraq as covered in the Sunday Times yesterday.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2168496.html
So, UK consumers have had to pay over-the-odds, for a TFT produced in the UK.
Not true…..most of the margin is in the distribution chain.
Would prices be higher, if there were ‘protective’ trade barriers? Yes or No? It seems pretty obvious to me, that trade barriers raise prices. That’s the whole point of having a trade barrier. Considering that retailers calculate profits as a percentage of the unit cost, their profit is likely to even bigger in a protected market. So, prices would have two unnecessary upwards price pressures.
The simple fact is however that Boeing now has higher manufacturing costs because of Airbus. Efficiencies are decreased when Boeing faces competition as it pushes them up the cost curve by reducing the number of aircraft they can sell.
Boeing’s profits may have fallen as a consequence of competition. However, have they reduced prices in an effort to win more business (yes)? Have they developed new planes to compete with Airbus (yes)? Are price cuts passed on to passengers (naturally)? Will I be going on an affordable foreign holiday this year (yes).
The most technologically-advanced manufacturing in the United Kingdom is undertaken by Rolls-Royce, Plc
I think you’ll find that satellites, Surface-to-Air guided missiles, cruise missiles, cloned sheep, CT Scanners, fighter jets, ‘ground hugging’ radar, etc, are all more ‘technologically advanced’ than engines produced by Rolls-Royce.
Tottenham Lad
I have seen and heard nothing from the BBC about the gruesome death inflicted on that woman journalist.
Everyone needs to read that Times article, it really shows the ideological evil we are up against. And that ordinary Iraqis are suffering.
Maybe the BBC has no time to mention it. They are too busy still talking about imaginary torture in Guantanamo, or portraying some incidents of prisoner-humiliation at Abu Ghraib as torture. No space to reveal the real torture inflicted on the prisoners of jihadists.
Strange that – the torture T-word is used very glibly by the BBC in relation to Gitmo and Abu Ghraib. When whatever occurred would not be called torure by most people (- if it occurred at all at Gitmo, which looks very doubtful).
The BBC is happy to smear the US week in week out with the torture T-word – misapplying it. But they are still avoiding the T-for-terrorism word for real atrocities aimed against civilians in the Middle East.
And we can expect that BBC management is busy thinking up all sorts of reasons to block the recommendation of the Q Thomas review that they use the words terrorism and terrorist for these atrocities.
Bias ? What bias ?
Britain does not produce Cruise Missiles.
So according to Grimer I should only buy TFTs produced in China, not those produced in Taiwan or Japan. China has an MFN arrangement with the US which automatically gives it MFN Status with the EU so it pays ZERO tariff; but goods made in Japan or Taiwan do pay import duties.
Similarly, buying a Sony TV set made in Poland or a Panasonic set made in the Czech Republic carries the same tariff = ZERO as a TV made in China.
Towels made in Indonesia or China have ZERO tariff but towels imported from the USA carry a high tariff. Seemingly the higher wage costs in the US merit tariffs to enter the EU but textiles from China with lower labour cost need ZERO tariff.
Thus China has the benefits of the EU Single Market without any of the costs.
When the EU imposed restrictions on imports of VCRs – Sony built a factory in Alsace to produce both VCRs and TR-75 camcorders, Hitachi built a factory in Aachen. To service the market Fujitsu built a semi plant in Newton Aycliffe, Hitachi built one in Regensburg.
Toyota is proposing to build a £560 million plant in Germany to produce Lexus cars although Germany has the highest labour costs in the world, but also one of the very best workforces for both attention to detail and productivity.
Labour Cost is irrelevant if productivity is high – British workers have low productivity.
Grimer – name me a fighter jet produced today by Britain alone – and who manufactures CT Scanners – I thought Siemens, GE, Hitachi were the main producers; and radar systems – just who produces those nowadays – Thales, Siemens, GE, Raytheon ?
Look at the election results posted in the header for this “Have Your Say” at the BBC…
Local Elections 2006
http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?threadID=1701&edition=1
“Labour lost 251 councillors”… Er, shouldn’t that be 319 lost? Do the Beeb stop counting after 250? Absolutely pathetic.
Rick
You may be right, but I think you are just having a mid life crisis, a little early. Have you bought your gold yet? because that and emmigrating to the south-pole, may be your only solution.
Thank god politicians dont have any idear what to do about world economic changes. Experience and history should tell us that BIG idears from politicians is what have caused more unnessesery poverty and suffering than any other human activity.
The answer; as always, is within every individual persons talents and ambitions. TRUST THE PEOPLE to sort it out themselves, they really are not as stupid as you, and other socialists think.
All socialists come up with socialist answers, to their socialist inspired problems.
I am a Conservative and a conservative, so I come out with Conservative answers, to them.
The BBC is a socialist reactionary institution. So it only propergates, reactionary socialist answers to even the weather forecasts. As for economics, the BBC are like a spendaholic Tart wife with a bag full of credit cards. With as much understanding of how wealth and prosperity is created as such.
Would it be possible to create a special thread for people wanting to have a lengthy non-BBC discussion?
It would save a lot of scrolling.
Britain does not produce Cruise Missiles
BAE produces cruise missiles. My friend worked on the guidance system. They were used in the Iraq war.
Grimer – name me a fighter jet produced today by Britain alone – and who manufactures CT Scanners – I thought Siemens, GE, Hitachi were the main producers; and radar systems – just who produces those nowadays – Thales, Siemens, GE, Raytheon ?
Rick | 08.05.06 – 12:58 pm | #
In an effort to save money on development costs fo aircraft, the UK enters into joint ventures with the US, Germany, Italy, France, Spain, etc. Production is also split, to ensure that every nation gets some jobs out of it. This is clearly an inefficient method of production (not development) and Britain could clealy produce the entire aircraft, if it wished.
The contract to produce the radar for the Euro Fighter was awarded to GEC Ferranti. They merged with Marconi and went tits up. BAE is now doing the radar for the Tornado and Typhoon.
Surrey Medical Imaging Systems was bought out by an American company, but still manufactures in the UK
So according to Grimer I should only buy TFTs produced in China, not those produced in Taiwan or Japan. China has an MFN arrangement with the US which automatically gives it MFN Status with the EU so it pays ZERO tariff; but goods made in Japan or Taiwan do pay import duties.
There are no import duties on computer monitors (or most other computer equipment). You only have to pay duty on those monitors that have a DVI connector, as the EU classifies these as TV’s.
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Here’s a faithful disciple of John Simpson
The Iranian president Ahmadinejad has been widely misquoted (by reference to a New York Times mis-translation) as wanting “Israel wiped off the map”.
Such an idiom wouldn’t exist in Farsi or Persian.
Many scholars such as Prof. Juan Cole and the group MEMRI have more accurate translations.
Why are Western journalists so one-sided when dealing with Muslim countries?
[Irish_Mark], Dublin, Ireland
http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?sortBy=1&edition=1&ttl=20060508134627&messageID=780897򾩡
Perhaps with that Dublin address he is Simpson’s factotum.
Will
Understand what you are saying. However this always has a tendancy to happen most when no new posts from the sites overlords come on for a while. How much can you say about apemen on the beeb?
“and who manufactures CT Scanners ”
Oxford Magnets.
Oh and Rick forgets that the UK produces a large number of the Worlds computer Games (plus a lot of software).
tottenham lad
‘has anyone seen anything on the BBC about the muder of Atwah bahjat as reported in yesterday’s Sunday Times?’
…er yes, loads. First reported back in February.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4743050.stm
>>”Britain does not produce Cruise Missiles.”
”Britain does not produce Cruise Missiles”
Please excuse me bumping into this thread. But the above is actually a false statement.
The Brits (in conjunction with the French) build the Storm Shadow.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/casom.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storm_Shadow
http://www.mbda.net/site/FO/scripts/siteFO_contenu.php?lang=EN&noeu_id=120
urban myths on this blog
1. Frank gardner is a Muslim.
2. Jeremy Vine is the son of David Vine.
3. The BBC is biased.
Snopehound,
1. No idea. Don’t care either way
2. ditto
3. The BBC is actually very biased. It is:
Pro EU, anti-American, anti-Bush, pro-Kyoto, anti-free trade, anti-globalisation, anti-Tory, pro-Lib Dem, pro-tax & spend, anti-Iraq war, pro-Islam, anti-Israel, pro-Palestinian, pro-uncontrolled immigration, pro-multiculturalism, anti-British, etc
I’ve just read this rather disturbing story on The Times website.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2168496,00.html
__________
By the time filming begins, the condemned woman has been blindfolded with a white bandage.
It is stained with blood that trickles from a wound on the left side of her head. She is moaning, although whether from the pain of what has already been done to her or from the fear of what is about to be inflicted is unclear.
….
A large man dressed in military fatigues, boots and cap approaches from behind and covers her mouth with his left hand. In his right hand, he clutches a large knife with a black handle and an 8in blade. He proceeds to cut her throat from the middle, slicing from side to side.
Her cries — “Ah, ah, ah” — can be heard above the “Allahu akbar” (God is greatest) intoned by the holder of the mobile phone.
Even then, there is no quick release for Bahjat. Her executioner suddenly stands up, his job only half done. A second man in a dark T-shirt and camouflage trousers places his right khaki boot on her abdomen and pushes down hard eight times, forcing a rush of blood from her wounds as she moves her head from right to left.
Only now does the executioner return to finish the task. He hacks off her head and drops it to the ground, then picks it up again and perches it on her bare chest so that it faces the film-maker in a grotesque parody of one of her pieces to camera.
__________
For some reason, there is no mention of this on the BBC. Maybe the story came in at the weekend and it had been covered elsewhere…..
http://search.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/search/results.pl?q=bahjat&edition=i