OPEN THREAD.

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  1. Martin says:

    C4 News mentioned 5 bellies is in the crap about her finances again. The BBC……tumbleweed again.

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  2. Biodegradable says:

    BBC Twats – AgainYou will doubtless recall my recent story about how Nanny’s best chum Auntie (the BBC) invoked a rigorous application of health and safety rules when broadcasting a programme about changing a tyre?

    Well, Auntie has gone and done it again this time during the adventure series “Top Dogs”.

    Sir Robin Knox-Johnston (sailor), Sir Ranulph Fiennes (explorer) and war reporter John Simpson were subjected to absurd health and safety when filming the series, which took them to Afghanistan, around Cape Horn by boat and across the Canadian Arctic.

    These gentlemen are experts and experienced in the arts of survival etc (Sir Ranulph had to chop a few frozen fingers off once to save himself on one trip); yet Auntie forbade them to light a Primus stove without supervision and gave them a stonkingly large document warning them about hazards such as tripping over.

    It does seem that the BBC, paid for with our money, is run by a bunch of twats.

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  3. George R says:

    BBC headline report -webpage ‘South Asia’:

    “Pakistan ‘to eliminate militants'”;

    Shouldn’t that read:-

    “Taliban jihadists ‘to eliminate complicit Pakistan'”?

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  4. Gerald Brown says:

    DV. Please don’t put up a THURSDAY open thread at 20.28. Please see my “Thursday open thread” lunchtime messages on the WEDNESDAY open thread!

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  5. It's all too much says:

    This morning the Toady prog got its pants in a knot. Soeone had the audacity to call the Tamil Tigers “Terrorists” and to claim that there was abundant information that the human shields were “shot at by their own side” if they tried to escape.

    Deep intake of breath queue BBC received wisdom

    “the use of the term Terrorist has pejorative connotations”

    man on the ground vigorously defends his assertion that the tigers “have assassinated scores of tTmils” and “used suicide bombings” etc.

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  6. Gerald Brown says:

    Hooray. Discovered that by clicking on the “topic” heading rather than the comments you get rid of the tiny box, but you still have to go to the tiny box to leave a comment. Also seems you need to use back arrow to get back to “topics” list rather than “X”ing the topic your on.

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  7. David Preiser says:

    Last year, Newsnight let political activist Greg Palast do a report covering for ACORN’s voter history of voter fraud (October 7, video seems to have vanished into the ether). Palast made sure to tell you that while he’s seen nasty, white Republicans try to disenfranchise poor black voters, there’s no evidence that any of the various criminal acts for which ACORN has been busted actually affect election outcomes. Why they bother doing it in the first place, he never said.

    Earlier this week, charges were filed against ACORN in New Mexico yet again, and now in Pennsylvania.

    uthorities in western Pennsylvania have accused seven people who worked for the community group ACORN of falsifying voter-registration forms.

    The seven have been charged with either forging, illegally soliciting or illegally filling out voter-registration cards in the lead-up to the 2008 election.

    While Palast, his Kennedy partner, and Newsnight producer Meirion Jones were busy smearing Republicans and protecting you-know-Who, ACORN was busily engaged in yet more voter fraud in key swing states.

    Nobody at Newsnight ever tried to explain why ACORN might do all this voter fraud if it never affected elections.

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  8. robert says:

    Well done Gerald! Thanks a lot, that’s solved that gripe for me (why the fuck didn’t someone explain earlier about how to maximise the comments box?).
    Now all we need is the old haloscan ‘unread comments’ ennumeration and things will be ALMOST as good as they were before!

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  9. Gerald Brown says:

    Correction. You do not need to use “Back” or “X” to get back to “Home”, ther is a nice “Home” link at the end of the topic messages when you get the screen open!

    This may be a repeat as my earlier comment wasn’t up by the time I wrote this one. Apologies to all if there twice.

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  10. sue says:

    Gerald and Robert. That’s better. Clicking on the topic heading even restores the nice font and gets rid of “Said” and the distracting icons.

    If we could have the unread comments back as well that would be better.

    Also the link symbol (hash) which took you to a previous comment, and an accurate Preview, and the ability to add a space after a tag, and the date as well as the time, and if we could have the comments archive back and and and if we could have…….. Haloscan.

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  11. David Vance says:

    Gerard,

    Thanks for that. Sure – I’m just experimenting and I take your point.

    Grant,

    We are working to see if haloscan comments can replace the blogger threads. They offer me – and you all – certain advantages.

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  12. Martin says:

    David Preiser: Palast is a piece of human excrement. Probably explains why the BBC loves him so.

    Would the BBC give Richard Littlejohn, Sean Hannity or Micael Savage so much airtime?

    I think not.

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  13. David Preiser says:

    Martin,

    Savage will have to do a satellite feed….

    The BBC covered for a criminal organization, one which was and is supported by their beloved Obamessiah. Plus, their own personal biases inform them that the real problem is white Republicans, so ACORN’s little antics aren’t important to them. If ACORN members get convicted this time (as they have before), the BBC will still believe it’s harmless.

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  14. Millie Tant says:

    I discovered the other day that if you click on the envelope to the right of where it shows the number of comments, that brings up the comments in a maximised form.
    So you can read them in comfort.

    Not sure, though, how one then gets back to the topic list front page.

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  15. John Horne Tooke says:

    David Preiser 8:21 PM

    “Yes, and the BBC uses lots of celebrities to promote lots of causes, or at least gives them loads of air time to advocate. Only when it conflicts with Labour leadership is it suddenly a problem.

    I agree with you completely, it seems only now are the BBC questioning the use of celebrities for fronting a “cause”

    It was even discussed on PM on Radio 4. But I am against policies being dictated to by so called celebs – it is bad for the country and bad for democracy.

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  16. George R says:

    BBC’s headline about Labour’s Harman on ‘Politics’ webpage:

    “Push for more women in City jobs”

    -ignores Labour’s and Harman’s hypocrisy and their inferior treatment of fathers, relative to mothers, in relation to parential rights of their own children.

    Labour and Harman perpetuate the legal preference given to mothers, and against fathers, in the cases of child access.
    This is further evidence of Labour’s anti-men agenda, which the BBC apparently endorses, and certainly does not criticise.

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  17. David Preiser says:

    John Horne Tooke @10:42 PM

    But I am against policies being dictated to by so called celebs – it is bad for the country and bad for democracy.Oh, yeah, totally agree. It’s a big problem in the US.

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  18. David Preiser says:

    Compare and contrast this BBC report about the recent civilian deaths in Afghanistan during an attack by US forces with this one from July of 2007.

    In today’s piece, the BBC finds plenty of time to report an apology from the US Secretary of State, along with a quote from a US military official hinting that his investigation is showing that at least some civilians were not, in fact, killed by US forces. The critical, anti-US quote from the Afghan government is by a local official. The Beeboids even haul out the New York Times to support the idea that the Taliban probably caused the civilian deaths.

    In the 2007 piece, the BBC kept it short, got a “war’s a bitch” shrug of the shoulders from the US ambassador to the UN (a position in which behaving in a BBC-approved manner is a recipe for failure), along with, well, that’s it from the US side of things. The critical, anti-US quote from the Afghan government is by President Karzai. They leave it to the Ambassador to point the finger at the Taliban, but it’s just an accusation with no investigation to back it up. This New York Times article was not hauled out to support the idea that the Taliban probably caused the civilian deaths.

    In today’s report, no casualty figures are given, even though it has been reported elsewhere – yet not by the BBC – that this is the worst ever civilian casualty total in one attack since the US troops first set foot in Afghanistan.

    In the 2007 report, the BBC started off with casualty figures, presented this way:

    The US ambassador to the UN, Zalmay Khalilzad, has described the killing by security forces in Afghanistan of more than 300 civilians as “unfortunate”.

    Nice bit of editorial presentation there. But then at the end of the report, the BBC says this:

    Afghan sources say a total of 45 civilians and 62 Taleban fighters died in Friday’s strike but US-led coalition forces and Nato question the figure.

    Not quite the 300 in the lead. But who cares about accuracy when it’s time to bash a Booooosh-led US?

    In today’s report, the BBC had this to say:

    The BBC’s Martin Patience in Kabul says President Karzai is now back in favour at the White House following months of fierce criticism from US officials.

    In my comment here, I’m saying that, surprise, surprise, the US in now back in favour at the BBC after months of criticism from BBC reporters.

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  19. pounce_uk says:

    The bBC, reporting child deaths on the road and half the story.

    UK ‘lags on child road safety’Britain is still “some way behind” other countries in tackling road safety for child pedestrians, a spending watchdog says.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8038661.stm

    and here is what that actual report has to say on the matter;
    Pedestrians over the age of 70 account for a disproportionate share of deaths, while children under the age of 15 account for less than would be expected given their share of the population and the amount of time they spend travelling on foot.&
    In 2007, 2,946 people were killed on Great Britain’s roads, which is 18 per cent less than the average number of deaths between 1994 and 1998. Strange how the bBC doesn’t publish that number of 2946 deaths in 2007. Yup almost 3k deaths a year against a population of almost 60 million.http://www.nao.org.uk/publications/0809/improving_road_safety_for_ped.aspx

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  20. JohnA says:

    This is real torture, not the pussyfooting that Obama and the BBC wail about :

    http://frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=34730

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  21. Red Lepond says:

    The Beeb’s profile of Thomas Cholmondeley is tagged as White Mischief. Ostensibly, it’s a reference to a well-known murder case in Kenya in 1941.

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  22. sutekh says:

    I’ve just been watching News 24. The BBC had a one of their blokes outside No.10 talking about the MP’s expenses story and brandishing a copy of the Daily Express (I think) at the camera.

    But why were details on the paper, freely available in any newsagent, inked out with black marker pen? Very odd…

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  23. Grant says:

    Gerald 9:13
    Many thanks for that. Navigating this site is like unravelling the Da Vinci code or deciphering an MP’s expense claim.

    David Vance, I’m sure it will all come good eventually !

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  24. Roland Deschain says:

    I must be missing something with regard to the comments. I just click on the "comments" link with the middle mouse button, and it opens in a new tab, full screen. Works on both IE7 & Firefox.

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  25. Grant says:

    John Horne Tooke 10:42
    Against celebs dictating policy. Unless it is Joanna Lumley !

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  26. The Cattle Prod of Destiny says:

    This is my 3rd go at posting this so here’s hoping it works this time around!

    I recently read an issue of the ‘History Magazine’ from Dear Old Aunty as it had an article by Michael Wood on ‘the creation of England’. And interesting it was too. However, flicking through the rest of the magazine it seems that even a history magazine is not out of bounds of their sticky touch.

    One example, of many, is an article on Uganda where the writer, one David Keys, takes especial pains to note that it is the nasty old Bristish Empire that should take the blame for Uganda’s current ills. It seems we armed the Northern tribes so that they could resist slavers from the Sudan and this is the root of today’s tensions. What rotters we all are!

    Except if one knows anything about Uganda it is more the case that the Sudanese had been raiding Uganda (then known as Buganda) for centuries as part of their slave trade. In fact it was only between 1894 and 1962 that Uganda had any serious period of peace. Guess which Empire was running the place between these two dates. So, despite the fact that we are not and were not running the place when the Ugandans were/are tearing each others throats out the British are still to blame.

    The whole article was a thinnly disguised attack on Britain and singually failed to point out that the main cause of Uganda’s problems is multi-culturism i.e the multiple cultures in Uganda just do not get on together. Of course that would be ‘off-message’ though wouldn’t it?

    The magazine also as an article on why it is OK for films to play fast and loose with historical facts (apparently the public can tell what is true and what isn’t) and an article on what a spiffing chap Engels was!

    You couldn’t make it up – but they do!

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  27. Anonymous says:

    Cattle Prod 11:25am

    Yes, the BBC love to rewrite history.

    I’ve read recently that in some countries that were given independence e.g. St Kitts, people rioted. They didn’t want to be independent from the ‘evil British Empire’.
    The BBC seem to think we went around invading countries at the drop of a hat when in fact we used to lend support to stop invasions/looting by other countries. India for example asked for our troops originally because the French were sniffing around. British Honduras was the same, except the threat was the Spanish.

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  28. Millie Tant says:

    Roland Deschain said…
    … I just click on the "comments" link with the middle mouse button, and it opens in a new tab, full screen. Works on both IE7 & Firefox.

    10:09 AM
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    That does exactly the same thing as clicking on the envelope icon.

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  29. Gerald Brown says:

    Millie Tant & Roland Deschain

    I did not know that there is a centre click on the mouse, but now I do. It does not work directly for me rather produces another "address" next to the initial BBBC one which when clicked on produces the full width screen of Haloscan days without any "side" info.

    It does not have a "Home" at the end like clicking on the topic does. One has to return to the top to "Close this window" to get back to Home.

    Thank you for the posts. It seems there is more than one way of getting away from the tiny box!

    So thank you for posting.

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  30. TPO says:

    We all know how the BBC will scour the earth to find stories that are detrimental to the US military.
    Nothing is too much trouble to report. Here’s one such example.

    US ex-soldier guilty of Iraq rape A jury in the US state of Kentucky has found a former private soldier guilty of the rape of a 14-year-old Iraqi girl and the killing of her and her family.http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8039257.stm

    Horrific? Yes ofcourse. Worthy of star billing on the BBC website in view of just about every thing that’s happening elsewhere in the world? Hardly, but the story certainly fits the BBC template of vile USA.

    It made me wonder why the BBC weren’t giving this story their usual fanfare:

    Freedom for US contractor Don Ayala who shot dead handcuffed Taleban killerhttp://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6251000.ece

    It was when I read the Times article that I realised why this story wouldn’t tick all the boxes for the vermin at the BBC.

    On November 4 last year in the southern Afghan village of Chehel Gazi, Ayala, who had retired from the US Army and was working as a military contractor, was part of a team aimed at helping US soldiers understand Afghan culture. With him was Paula Loyd, an anthropologist embedded with the unit.
    Minutes before he was shot, Salam — posing as an unthreatening Afghan citizen — had been chatting with Loyd about the price of fuel. Suddenly, he threw a bucket of petrol on her and set her on fire.

    Soldiers dragged Loyd, 36, to a sewage-filled drainage ditch to put out the flames. It took three men, including Ayala, to subdue and handcuff Salam. The Taleban later claimed responsibility for the attack.
    When others told Ayala how badly Loyd was injured, he put a 9mm pistol to Salam’s head and pulled the trigger. Salam died instantly. Loyd’s death was far longer and more painful. With second and third-degree burns covering 60 per cent of her body, she clung to life for two months before finally dying on January 7 at Brooke Army Medical Centre in San Antonio.
    Yup! Certainly won’t fit the BBC’s agenda will it.

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  31. TPO says:

    Ho ho ho!
    I’ve been watching this story unfold on North American news channels and now Nancy Pelosi, having lied through her teeth, has been well and truly skewered.

    Nancy Pelosi ‘was aware harsh interrogation methods had been used’Newly released CIA documents revealed that the Speaker of the House of Representatives was aware of the methods’ deployment and not just their existence, as she had earlier claimed.
    A leading Republican called her explanation the “lamest of lame excuses”.
    The Californian Democrat has been forced into a corner by the controversy sweeping Congress about who knew what and when about the CIA’s interviewing methods, which President Barack Obama has outlawed and condemned as torture.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/5297269/Nancy-Pelosi-was-aware-harsh-interrogation-methods-had-been-used.html

    HELLO BBC. Anyone at home. Obviously not, they’re all round at Sir Michael Shite’s or tosspot MaGuire.

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  32. Peter says:

    I found this interesting, though not in a good way necessarily…

    Immigrant Song ContestImmigrant Song Contest
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/newsnight/fromthewebteam/2009/05/immigrant_song_contest.html#commentsanchor

    Other than wondering if such a thing is really what the BBC’s premier news programme needs to be getting into, the way it is being handled, and indeed billed, seems a little shy on a few things, including common sense.

    At the moment no link appears to explain the teaser copy any further, and simply saying tune in later is really not enough here.

    I am guessing TPO has identified in his last line above two of the shoo-in judges for this exclusive (in many senses of the word) event, based on their musical backgrounds, natch.

    I am sure it will all have sounded simply super in the group hug editorial meeting that came up with it, but I will be interested in how it plays outside the bubble worlds that are reading public mood so well elsewhere these days.

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  33. Jason says:

    Could not believe the BBC’s reporting of the news that Hugo Chavez has sent in the military to seize companies that service the oil industry. Their matter-of-fact, “by the way” tone reporting style is highly inappropriate in a story this serious. Reading it one may assume that the BBC sees absolutely nothing sinister about Chavez’s actions. We’re talking about the military seizing private companies, including a couple which are US owned. And the Beeb report it with the same tone as they’d report the opening of a leisure center.

    And look at the photo they’ve used for the article – above the caption “Mr Chavez is tightening his grip on the oil industry,” they choose a nice, happy picture of the socialist fascist shaking hands with a worker. It’s quite clear that the Marxoids at the Beeb thoroughly approve of the Chavez agenda and are literally salivating at the thought of him sending in tanks to seize private firms.

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  34. JohnA says:

    Jason

    The BBC is as you say fairly sanguine about confiscation of private property by people like Chavez.

    And of course they have failed to mention the obvious likelihood – that servicing of the Venezuala oil industry will probably be seriously damaged, thereby damaging the whole economy.

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  35. JohnA says:

    Seems to me there has been a sharp reduction in the numbers of comments being posted at the new site – leaving aside all the posts about the design of the site, things have seemed rather thin of late.

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  36. George R says:

    The BBC news website, ‘South Asia’ pages, has turned to the views of Ahmed Rashid on Pakistan and Afghanistan recently (out of BBC disenchantment with extreme dhimmis, Plett and Doucet?).

    But Ahmed Rashid’s most recent piece is not on BBC News site, but has been picked up from MEMRI site by ‘Jihadwatch’ (May 9):

    “Ahmed Rashid: ‘I no longer say that there’s a creeping Talibanization in Pakistan; it’s a galloping Talibanization'”

    [Extract]:

    “Author of a book on the Taliban, Ahmed Rashid sees them charging ahead in Pakistan. Pakistani Author Ahmed Rashid: ‘The Pakistani Taliban Movement is Turning Into a Multiethnic Movement [Not Limited to Pashtuns]; I No Longer Say That There’s a Creeping Talibanization In Pakistan – It’s a Galloping Talibanization,'” (from MEMRI)

    ‘Jihadwatch’:

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/026037.php Plett and Doucet, please note.

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  37. Peter says:

    Peter
    I found this interesting – Immigrant Song Contest
    7:22 AM
    Ah well, even if my talented Singaporean Chinese wife has missed this opportunity by dint of contestants seemingly having been decided from within, as I watch my BBC Match of the Day highlights she might have a chance with some… again possibly less than inclusive… ‘Asian Soccer Idol’.

    That is… unless, like the last census, what the Government and its various organs understand by Asian is slightly different, and more narrow, than what she does, or indeed any glance at an atlas might suggest.

    A case of “We are more multiculti, but when boxes need ticking some are more multiculti than others?”

    I’ll be fascinated what the eligibility form looks like.

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