NEW OPEN THREAD….


Midweek and time for a new Open Thread as I can see the Monday one is already approaching the 200 mark! Happy with good old Auntie – no? Well, tell me why…

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  1. My Site (click to edit) says:

    BBC’s ‘Street that cut everything’ taught us nothing:

    http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/bettergovernment/2011/05/bbc-street-cut-taught.html

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    • My Site (click to edit) says:

      made for sensationalist television the concept was completely flawed.  It bore little relation to the actual challenge’

      Yet, billed as ‘reality’ under the banner of ‘cuts’. Another day, another BBC triumph of spin over fact then.

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      • My Site (click to edit) says:

        I wonder, will how much this ‘epic’ fail/Mr. Robinson’s vanity project cost the licence fee payer be listed?

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  2. Jane Tracy says:

    More insight and bias from Stephanie “Floundering” Flanders on her BBC economics blog.

    “But April’s 4.5% is also less awful than it seems.”

    There have been discussions about Stephanies problems with basic maths before. But apparently an inflation number of twice the target is not a problem although Stephanie refrains from telling us why inflation has presisted for two years whilst she has continously told us it will fall…

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    • My Site (click to edit) says:

      That last para might fit in the new blog system… if the mods will let it up.

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    • Grant says:

      Yes Jane, every time Steph opens her mouth she displays her ignorance. She is absolutely cringe-making. Is she really unaware of how stupid she is or does she just not care ?

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  3. My Site (click to edit) says:

    Considering Aunty and her shocking troops’ slight historical issues as regards How can you share war stories online, in real time, without compromising operational security?’, an interesting read:

    http://www.pbs.org/idealab/2011/05/journalists-marines-find-a-middle-ground-on-censorship-for-basetrack133.html

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  4. pounce_uk says:

    The bBC,  reporting from Afghanistan and half the story  
    Afghanistan: ‘Twelve dead’ at protest over Nato raid  
    At least 12 people have been killed in northern Afghanistan during a protest against an overnight raid by Nato and Afghan forces, hospital sources have told the BBC. About 80 demonstrators were injured in the clashes in the city of Taloqan. Security officials said some of the demonstrators were armed. They were protesting against the raid in which four people – who Nato said were insurgents – were killed. An official in the city said that the Afghan National Army and a rapid reaction force had been deployed in the city and the situation was now mostly under control. The official said that some of the 2,000 demonstrators were armed and had destroyed public and private property. He said reinforcements had been called into Taloqan from neighbouring Kunduz province….. A few days ago the accidental killing by foreign troops of a 15-year-old boy led to a demonstration in Nagahar province. There one protester was killed and five wounded.  
     
    Tell you what, I really do have to applaud a religion of peace who while protesting over the deaths of 4 terrorists see another 11 go to that great mosque in the sky. (As an ex Muslim will I be going to hell?) But reading the above are you informed how they died all the bBC tells you is the crowd became angry after they threw stones at a NATO base and police station.And here is what the bBC doesn’t tell you:  
    At least 11 people were killed as the protesters fought with police and tried to assault a NATO outpost in the city of Taloqan, the capital of Takhar province.  
    You’d think the bBC would mention that the people who killed 11 Afghans were…Afghan police. Who lets be serious here have had orders not to allow a repeat of a mass (Taliban inspired) protest which the other month saw the murders of 8 UN workers in Mazar-e-Sharif (funny enough the next city along the road to Taloqan) But there’s more the bBC gives no mention of the NATO press release:  
    NATO said in its statement that one of the women was armed with an assault rifle and tried to fire on the troops. The other woman was armed with a pistol and pointed her gun at the security force as she was trying to escape the compound.  

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    • pounce_uk says:

      Now seeing as the above operation was a joint Afghan and NATO one, I’d say that the above report is fact less chance of a cover-up when 2 different armies are involved. But the bBCs defence expert doesn’t even go down that road instead she walks down a completely different one. (Hand in hand with the Taliban apparently)
      Which brings me to the last sentence of that bBC report, So according to the bBC  Afghans protested (The theme of this article) over the accidental shooting of a 15 year old in Nagahar and here is what the bBC doesn’t tell you as provided by a NATO press release:
      While searching for a Taliban leader, the combined security force attempted to clear a room in one of the targeted buildings. The force approached the room and asked for the individual inside to exit peacefully, allowing them to continue their search. When the individual heard the call-out, he reached for one of his two weapons present at the side of his bed. He had both a shotgun and pistol by his side. As a force protection measure, a security force member engaged the individual, resulting in his death. After initial assessment, it was discovered the individual was a local 15-year old male.The force was in the area conducting an operation in search of a Taliban leader who facilitates weapons and IEDs throughout the district. The leader is involved in planning and conducting IED and suicide bomb attacks against Afghan and coalition forces in both Sherzad and Hisarak districts.

      Nothing accidently about how the bBC left out that little snippet.

      The truth is out there, just not at the bBC

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  5. ltwf1964 says:

    wonders will never cease

    9PM on bBC2

    Wonderland-A Hasidic Guide to love,marriage and finding a bride

    wonder how the jewish community will be portayed in this……as compared to how they deal with the “religion of peace”

    need less to say I’m not expecting a lot!!

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    • Grant says:

      Itwf,
      Think I will watch that.  No doubt portrayed with the sort of sneering humour the BBC have perfected. A job for Louis Theroux I would have thought.

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      • ltwf1964 says:

        my feelings exactly Grant

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        • Grant says:

          Itwf1964,
          Well I watched it. Unbelievable.
          The BBC managed tpo find a Hasidic Jew, Avi, living in Stamford Hill and who spent 4 1/2 years in a UK prison, is separated from his wife, drinks alcohol like a fish and appeared to be a chain smoker.
          The programme was featured around him. Goodness knows how long it took the BBC to find him.
          Yes, the sneering, light-hearted approach was there, right down to the background music, no doubt specially composed at great expense.
          Well I have an offer to make the BBC. I shall take them to Turkey and they can meet a muslim Turk who is divorced, has been in prison, drinks Raki like a fish and chain smokes and they can make a documentary about him. All in the interests of balance , of course.
          The BBC disgusts me.

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          • Grant says:

            “tpo” should read “too”.

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          • ltwf1964 says:

            ah good

            the tv tax fee stays in my pocket   😉

            true to form,al beebzeera portrays the jew in a way they wouldn’t dare show an izlamofascist

            quelle surprise!!

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          • Dez says:

            Grant,

             

            What a bizarre review of what was an affectionate portrait of someone trying to follow their religion whilst admitting to being less than perfect. So he smoked and got drunk sometimes (big deal). 

             

            The overwhelming message was that behind all the religious stuff that seemingly separates them, Hasidic Jews are just like everybody else.

             

            That ‘disgusts’ you?

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            • ltwf1964 says:

              and the “less than perfect” behaviour of the muslim fundamentalist is to strap explosives to themselves and slaughter innocent people because they are not like them

              bBC……any chance of showng that in an in depth documentary?

              nah…..course not

              if they guy had been strich hassidic he wouldnot have been living the way he was

              and beeboids are not like evryone else,zed,so don’t even try that one 😛

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            • Grant says:

              Dez,
              Don’t be ridiculous. How much do you know about Hasidic Jews ? There are plenty of Jews who post on this website who can educate you.
              The point is that the BBC would never do a similar programme about muslims, because the BBC is institutionally anti-semitic and fanatically pro-Islam. It is as simple as that.
              Yes, the BBC disgusts me !

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              • Dez says:

                Grant,

                I’ve been witness to lots of prejudice against Hasidic Jews, which basically boils down to; “‘they’ are not like ‘us’ – ‘they’ seem to think they are better than ‘us'”.

                Of course this is complete prejudice based on nothing more than a crude racist stereotype. Anything that punctures that sort of bigoted misconception should be applauded.

                Just ordinary people trying (and sometines failing) to live up to their ideals.

                How on earth do you figure that a programme about people who are involved in the same comedic tragedy as everybody else is somehow ‘anti-semetic’?

                “The point is that the BBC would never do a similar programme about muslims…”

                Well actually you are wrong – I remember seeing this a few years ago:

                http://www.singlemuslim.com/news_artical.php?aID=225

                But yes, I agree, there should be more programmes about Muslims as just ordinary people trying to make the most of their lives

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          • Grant says:

            PS  Avi went to prison for money-laundering !

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      • David Preiser (USA) says:

        Theroux wasn’t available to do this as he has been in Florida to do a special feature on how awful US prisons are.  Watch Theroux dispaly bewilderment when inmates tell him they occasionally get into fights.  I mean, violent gang member convicts engage in gang fisticuffs, who could have imagined?  Must be the fault of the prison system as everyone knows that UK prisons are pristine, serene environments where lambs lie down with lions every day.  And gang members never get into fights otherwise.

        There might even be a mention of – shock! horror! – private sector companies who build and run prisons for eeeevil profit.

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        • Buggy says:

          It’s a shame. There was a very interesting piece about the Stamford Hill Hasidim in the Telegraph magazine a couple of months ago, so I watched this in the (hopelessly naive) anticipation of learning a bit more about a way of life which is mostly a mystery to me. Trust the BBC to go for the “Spot The Weirdo” angle which makes it a complete waste of time to even produce the programme, let alone broadcast it.

          Still, it was nice of them to provide John McCririck with gainful employment outside of his normal racing milleu. And The Booby, too !

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        • Buggy says:

          “Theroux wasn’t available to do this as he has been in Florida to do a special feature on how awful US prisons are.”

          Had Louis only held back a little, he could have gone to Rikers instead and thus kill two birds (or deux oiseaux) with one stone.

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          • Grant says:

            Buggy,
            The sad thing is that they will probably let the revolting Louis out of prison at the end of the programme !

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        • Grant says:

          David P,
          Yes, Louis’  “faux naivete”  is one of the repulsive aspects of his character. I wonder if he would ever have got a job with the BBC if he didn’t have a famous Daddy  ?

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  6. George R says:

    This INBBC piece about Spain, may have been written by an Egyptian Muslim, from its political tone:

    “Spanish youth rally in Madrid echoes Egypt protests”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13437819

    Of course, the INBBC piece ignores what happened to reporter Lara Logan in Tahrir Square, Cairo:
    Lara Logan: “They really enjoyed my pain and suffering. It incited them to more violence”

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  7. George R says:

    We finance INBBC to go to its ‘moderate’ Islamic SAUDI ARABIA to get views of ‘moderate’ Muslims about early life of ‘moderate’ Muslim, Osama Bin Laden.


    “Bin Laden dead: Saudi sympathy for local boy Osama”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-13419741


    INBBC’s Mr Buchanan has not one bad word to say about the mass murdering Islamic jihadist, nor of Saudi Arabia’s role in spreading jihad globally.

    INBBC’s Buchanan has no grasp of this:

    ” A Second Look at the Saudis”

    (PDF; in four parts):

    http://www.asecondlookatthesaudis.com/

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  8. Scrappydoo says:

    Organised BBC Radio 5/labour attack on  Ken Clarke – In the interview there was plenty of aggression from the start, courtesy of Victoria Derbyshire  and with combative  callers ready lined up, ken was not going to get an easy ride.  Ken Clarke made it clear that his proposed policies had been misrepresented and wilfully misunderstood.   Guess what ,  Victoria Derbyshire did the same,  she deliberately and disgracefully ignored Ken’s clear explanation of the term Rape and how it covered situations where intercourse although freely engaged in, was rape in the eyes of the law .  She continued to ignore his clear  explanation in order to mislead the listener who may have been unable to give the program full  attention or worse (knowing the BBC), playing on the low I.Q. of some listeners.  Then surprise surprise , Milliband was the lead item on the lunch time BBC news saying (not “CLAIMING”) that Ken Clarke should be sacked by the end of the day for misunderstanding  the significance of rape.

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    • ltwf1964 says:

      to be honest,ken Clarke is a bit of a waste of space,as well as a complete fan of the EUSSR

      so……if he goes,I won’t miss him

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  9. pounce_uk says:

    The bBC and its promotion of the worst atrocity on Irish soil.
    So the Queen is visiting  ‘Croke Park’ and the bBC are promoting the line of it being the scene of the worse atrocity in Irish history.  Yes 14 people died there in 1920, yet those events transpired over 90 years ago. I don’t see the bBC harking on about the  Enniskillen bombing, the Omagh bombing or the numerous other bombings which claimed thousands of (also) innocent lives for a movement which plays the victim card in which to disguise Mob activity. Which at the end of the day is the real agenda of the IRA. Be it drugs, cheap electrical goods, diesel or plain extortion all of the those (and many more) use the image of past injustices in which fill the wallets of those at the top. In other words it’s a business.

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  10. pounce_uk says:

    How the bbC projects its hatred of anything British onto everything it reports:

    The tent that turns into concrete in less than 24 hours

    The above link is a video report about one of those simple ideas which can benefit all of mankind. The two guys who invented the concrete tent speak how it works. Yet and a big yet (2,20) Peter one of the guys explains that they have (or see) no ethical reasons for selling to the British army. Now having listened (and watched that clip a number of times. I have come to the conclusion that he was answering a question, a question we don’t hear. What we do get is yet another example of how the British Army is demonized by the left (in this case the bBC)

     

    The truth is out there, just not at the bBC

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    • George R says:

      Yes; and re-BBC and 1920, it omits the following, which Valentine Low includes here in today’s ‘Times’ (paywall):

      “Michael Collins, the IRA leader, organised the squads that kolled 14 suspected British intelligence agents that morn ing, prompting British reprisals.

      “His portrait sits above the Taoiseach’s office at Government Buildings”

      BBC has this censored version:

      [Extract]:

      “On Wednesday her engagements had included a visit to Croke Park sports stadium in the capital, where 14 people were killed by British forces 91 years ago,”

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13455173

      No apologies from the Irish Republic for its neutrality towards Nazi Germany in World War II, and no apologies for atrocities by Irish republicans against British people since then.

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  11. pounce_uk says:

    Right done a little walkabout on the concrete canvas website and I feel that the question the bBC rasied and didn’t air may have something to do with this And from a Sappers point of view I’m impressed. Not that any bBC defence expert would ever be. But then I had a butchers at the rest of their website and the other appilcations (which the bBC doesn’t mention) has far greater potentail for the greater good than an inflatable concrete tent.

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  12. pounce_uk says:

    The Guardian are running with this story about Scottish independence:
    Alex Salmond calls for Scotland to have greater influence in EU
    Alex Salmond called for Scotland to control broadcasting, set its own alcohol and tobacco taxes and have greater influence in the EU as he was confirmed as the first minister of his nationalist government on Wednesday…The SNP also wants to set up a new Scotland-only digital television channel and eventually take control over BBC services in Scotland, but Salmond’s proposals are currently vague. There are no clear proposals on how the channel could be funded, its scope, or how large its budget would be.

    This is all very intreresting. However if Scotland goes what does this mean for the bBC? In that it will no longer be able to afford spending money at the rate it does, simply because it won’t have the Scottish paying into the kitty.

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  13. cjhartnett says:

    On this mornings Today show,poor old Sarah Montague was unable to interview Lord Coe regarding the “corporate takeover” of the Olympic torch-bearing to come next year.
    Naughtie choked on his Coco Pops and went to Scottish Independence-but what else? Ideal filler along with Bin Laden or constituional reform,that are ideal for the purpose…Pollyfilla in fact!

    Had Sarah been listening to Chris Evans at that time,she would have been able to hear our Seb holding forth on the same topic.,but on Radio2.
    He was on a mobile phone…what a runner and what a discerning critic of who`s coming in the BBC…as opposed to poor old Sarah and her gymkhana concerns!
    Who`s going to tell the BBCs paddle steamer that it looks increasingly  like a moored pancake restaurant these days? Poor Sarah!

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    • Grant says:

      cj,
      I doubt if the odious Naughtie eats Coco pops, that might be racist.
      Have the Beeboids grilled Coe on how much money he personally has made from the Olympics so far ?  Also some of his “business associates” seem to have pretty dodgy pasts.
      I confess to subscibing to “Private Eye ” knowing half of their stories turn out to be wrong, but , so far as I know, no law suits from Coe, so far.

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    • Grant says:

      cj,
      I doubt if the odious Naughtie eats Coco pops, that might be racist.
      Have the Beeboids grilled Coe on how much money he personally has made from the Olympics so far ?  Also some of his “business associates” seem to have pretty dodgy pasts.
      I confess to subscibing to “Private Eye ” knowing half of their stories turn out to be wrong, but , so far as I know, no law suits from Coe, so far.

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      • cjhartnett says:

        Nice one centurion!
        Note that the carbon footprint seems not to be at issue when the Olympic torch comes a wheezing into town on an utterly aimless meander round Britain. Surely Athens-London is not by way of Glasgow is it?
        Bloody thing is staying overnight in Salisbury…what about “No Smoking” in hotel rooms then?
        Goes without saying that it will be a fine drugs corridor as the “athletes” assorted tubby coppers(see them at the Police federation today?-maybe they thought May would be closing the “tuck shop” or something?) and of course the obligatory diasability scooters-heave round the country exhorting the rest of us to be fitter.
        Yet the BBC will be none too fussed about the cost,the grotesque drug usage,the IOC Zil motorcades-because the Great God Sport must not be questioned…and we`re paying as well!
        I`m betting on Stephen Hawking to get his ramp in order to light the flame…let the Chinese quake at how “right on” we are!

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      • Grant says:

        That is the second time today my posting has appeared twice, even though I only clicked “post” once. Honest Guv.

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        • Charlie says:

          Grant. I think you are subconsciously trying to grab to much attention.

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          • Grant says:

            Charlie,
            It’s because, apart from this website, every one else in my life just ignores me !    😀

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  14. RCE says:

    On BBC online main page now:

    ‘New trial for UK black teenager’s murder’ – Is that even English?

    Sub-heading:

    ‘Two men are to stand trial for the notorious murder of black teenager Stephen Lawrence reigniting debate about racial tensions in the UK.’ (my emphasis).

    An absolutely disgusting statement, with absolutely no evidence to support it – and the clearest example of racial scaremongering you will ever see.

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    • Grant says:

      RCE,
      Not BBC , but Channel 4 repeatedly trumpeting that the accused are white racists.  Wonder what they would say if the skin colours were reversed ?
      “The last few minutes of Stephen Lawrence’s life have gone down in history”.
      Compared with that , Beeboids are absolute beginners !

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  15. John Horne Tooke says:

    BBC 5 lite on form today with Allen and Co. The Queen visits Croke Park where British troops killed 14 Irishmen.  Why? Did they just go to the Gaelic football match and shoot randomly at the crowd. I had no idea and the BBC were not going to tell me. Allen certainly was not going to ask the former BBC Ireland corraspondent (and I suspect he did not even question the incident in his tiny mind) The sentence “British troops killed 14 Irish” was all that the BBc wanted us to know. No background, nothing. Thanks to EU Referendum I now know?
    http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2011/05/sadly-deluded.html

    Also mentioned again was the Irishment who “fought for Britain” during World War 1. Did they really fight for Britain? Did they not fight “with” Great Britain and Ireland? Its like saying the English fought for Scotland during the war.

    I also heard once on the BBc that the “Poles fought for Britain” during World War 2. Wasn’t Poland occupied by Germany? Which begs the question why were Poles fighting for Britain, they should have been fighting for Poland. The BBC employ the most ignorant anti-English cretins in the world.

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    • cjhartnett says:

      Typical BBC flummery.
      Coming from a sometimes militant Irish background of old, not one of the useless idiots like myself had ever heard of the Croke Park massacre…nor did the GAA represent much more than a figurehead for the plastic paddies of Boston or Birmingham-happy to raise a glass to the old boys back home…but not living there of course>
      When I hear all this stuff about “ninety years of hurt” I want to heave-hell of a soufflet department where once a news gathering operation used to bethere at thew Beeb.

      Oh Lordy…Jon Snow corrected himself when he spoke of British tyranny-he renamed it unfortunate empire antics…and now he`s talking to that flighty daughter of Gael-up and coming Edna O Brien! Cutting edge our Jon!
      We need a Snow/Guru-Murthy feed…they`re honorary Beeboids and we do pay for these gombeens don`t we?

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    • Grant says:

      JHT,
      Good points all. Not much mention on the BBC of the intelligence agents murdered by the Irish.
      The Polish fighter pilots were most definitely fighting for Poland to get revenge on the Germans, almost recklessly so, but with great results.

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  16. Grant says:

    Too much work today for me, so for some light relief, I do what I always do and click on Michael Prick’s BBC blog for some light relief and he never disappoints.
    Actually, and I hardly dare to confess this here, I have developed a worrying fondness for the man. Not his political views, which are bog-standard Beeboid, but his slightly child-like naivety.
    Currently , he is obsessed with the Huhne affair. He has even researched the Telegraph to reveal that there were roadworks on the M11 that fateful day. And much more.
    There is a regular poster there, Stevie, who takes the mickey so subtely that it always escapes the teenage moderators.
    I commend Michael’s blog to this blog  !

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  17. David Preiser (USA) says:

    The US is the international community?

    Syria: US sanctions target President Bashar al-Assad

    The United States has imposed sanctions on Syrian President Bashar al-Assad for human rights abuses.

    It represents the first time Mr Assad has been targeted specifically by the international community for his government’s crackdown on protesters.

    President Barack Obama last month imposed sanctions on his brother Maher, his cousin and an intelligence chief.

    Who else in the “international community” is sanctioning Assad?

    The US and EU have already imposed sanctions on other senior figures close to Mr Assad, but have so far stopped short of targeting him.

    Oh.  Nobody else.  So it’s only the US who is wagging a finger specifically at Assad himself.  I suppose we’re supposed to take it as read that the international community will dutifully follow suit, which is why the sub-editor wrote that they were doing it now.

    And check out Mark Mardell’s “thoughts in full”.

    He’s still in turmoil over his disappointment over how his beloved Obamessiah has double standards when scolding dictators.  So he shifts blame just a bit:


    Mr Assad is not exactly an ally leading a friendly, helpful country. It seems Hillary Clinton believed he was a reformer hemmed in by hard liners, the best chance for change.

    But as time has passed, the White House must have calculated that this is either nonsense, or Mr Assad can’t break through the circle surrounding him.

    Yeah, it’s Hillary’s fault.  In fact, Mardell missed a chance to shift blame even further away from Him.  Sec. of State Clinton actually said that it was Congress – people in both parties – who were holding out hope.  The White House has no intelligent policy?  Nah, it’s Congress’s fault!  Once Sen. John Kerry gave up on it, the White House had nothing else to stand on.  Weakness and incompetence compounded by a President who came to office with liitle or no interest or understanding of serious foreign policy.  But never mind, Mardell says it’s not His fault, so job done.

    The President is going to give a big speech about the Arab Spring and all that tomorrow (Thursday), and Mardell knows that this is a last-minute rush job to tie up a very large loose end.  The President would look completely ridiculous if He hadn’t taken care of this before that.

    Here’s what Mardell doesn’t want you to know: Last week, Sen. Marco Rubio – a Republican Hispanic who won election with Tea Party support – said he was going to introduce a resolution for sanctions against Assad.  The President is reacting to this.  His foreign policy ineptness just keeps on going.

    Here’s what Rubio says about the idea that Assad is a reformer:


    “I don’t think the U.S. has a Syria policy,” he begins matter-of-factly. He says in the White House and the State Department, “There is some level of cynicism, unfortunate cynicism about the ability of people in the region to bring about positive change.” Despite Syria’s horrid human rights record and its role as a “satellite of Iran,” Rubio says, “There is a nonsensical fear that what comes after [Assad] will be worse.”

    So that’s at least two people in Congress who aren’t tying the President’s hands behind His back. Mardell won’t touch this with a ten foot pole.  Let’s see if tomorrow’s speech will allow him to cast aside any lingering doubts about if the President has it right.

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  18. pounce_uk says:

    The impartial bBC mindset at work.
    Queen offers sympathy to Irish victims of troubles

    The Queen has offered her “sincere thoughts and deep sympathy” to the victims of Ireland and the UK’s troubled past.At a banquet in Dublin Castle she said with hindsight “we can all see things which we would wish had been done differently or not at all”.She went on to praise the “lasting rapport” now between the countries.An apology was not expected, BBC royal correspondent Nicholas Witchell said, but the Queen came “pretty close”.

    Actually the above has nothing of what I am writing about. Its what the bBC has written at the bottom of that article which caught my eye:

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  19. Llew says:

    Wonders will never cease – I’ve just witnessed the first interview of a Tory minister for many years where the beeboid asked sensible questions and then shut up for the answers – no constant interruptions, no Sopel style fake emotional raised voices etc. 

    Interviewing Philip Hammond on BBC Breakfast about the railways, the questions were calm and he was allowed to reply clearly. He was then, perhaps unnecesarily, asked about Ken Clarke’s rape comments, but again the beeboid allowed him to reply and explain the misunderstanding of Ken Clarke’s comments.

    Perhaps the gallery controller had popped out to the loo at that point or more than likely there’s a BBC/Labour hidden agenda that I’ve missed.

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    • Grant says:

      Llew,
      Who was the interviewer ?

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      • cjhartnett says:

        I can confirm that there is a Hammond Factor at work here.
        Heard him on Today-and once we`d got the old “didn`t Major cause this in the 90s “line of attack out of the way,then Evan actually did a fair job…and Hammond showed himself to be the clueless cove that we all have come to…well, have an impression of anyway. Millionaire, money offshore but nice enough…usual!
        Don`t tell the BBC this-but Hammond actually hanged himself  because Davis let him do so-had it been Montague I`d not have known…so if the Beeb want the Tories out,they need to shut up and let them talk-instead of being privileged tossers that make you warm to the hated Tories.
        Two fair interviews-radio and telly? Whatever Hammond has in genes, pheronomes etc-bottle it and pass it round like linament at Tory HQ!

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      • Llew says:

        Grant, it was Sian Williams. There must have been a technical fault or, as cjh suggests, the BBC have realised that by simply shutting up, the Tory being interviewed will just talk themselves into a corner or contradict themselves or hand out enough ammo to the BBC for an ambush next time round.

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    • john says:

      Christ !

      If that really happened, and I have no reason not to believe you Llew, does it mean the end of B-BBC ?
      Or if the toilet door is repaired, we should expect the lavatorial BBC service to be resumed by at least lunch time.

      Then this abberation of a Mad May Morning can be consigned to history.

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  20. Chris Balfe says:

    The guy who covers the business aspect of Formula One for my website launched his 2011 report on the financial state of the sport in London last night.

    “Did an in-depth interview about the figures which the BBC has printed today (it also mentions the site in it),” he wrote in an e-mail to me.

    “Incidentially, the BBC told me they are working on a piece about people in F1 who lost their jobs as a result of cost cuts”

    They just can’t help themselves

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    • john says:

      And of course no reference to the fact that the UK is (in one of the few fields) at the cutting edge of automotive development in technical excellence.
      The BBC will dwell on Bob, Bill and Benny being laid off because the evil Tories don’t know their downforce from their prime and kers.

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  21. Jane Tracy says:

    Just when you though that Stephanie “Floundering” Flanders could not get any worse she has published this on her blog today.

    “Frenchmen have traditionally made good IMF chiefs. (All the duff ones, in recent years, have been from other parts of Europe.) But even by past standards, Mr Strauss-Kahn was exceptional, and exceptionally well-suited to the time. ”

    Just for Stephanies gain as I am sure that evryone else has spotted the flaw in this. the world economy collapsed during his tenure!

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    • As I See It says:

      I’ve noticed BBC business and economics ‘experts’ come over like fish riding bicycles. Peston sounds like one.

      ‘other parts of Europe’

      What can she mean?

      Lukily for Stephanie (unlike a rather wet and saggy Tory Minister I could mention) at least she won’t have a BBC journalistic bloodhound snapping at her heels attempting to catch her out in some un-PC thought crime.

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    • john says:

      If anyone wants to completley fuck up the world economy in double quick time : Then I suggest a call to the VAT cave should just about do it !

      The dynamic dummies, Stephanie (cluless cat woman) Flanders and Gordon (the original joker) Brown can fight it out on BBC’s Newsnight to see who is the the most incompetent to represent the UK’s “no thank you what so ever” nomination for IMF wizard.

      Thwack !  Pow !  – Holy Deficit !

      It could end up being commissioned by the BBC into their heavy entertainment slots for the autumn schedules.

      I’ve already got the opening signature tune sorted out :
      “Da-da-da-da-da-da  – PAXMAN “

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    • David Preiser (USA) says:

      When Flanders says that DSK was just the man for the times, she meant that he was able to get Britain and Germany to redistribute your wealth again to bail out Greece and Ireland.  For her, there is no higher achievement than that.

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      • Grant says:

        I understand from a bit of internet browsing that the Europeans and N. Americans may be in trouble here.
        There are many comments that since European Countries and the USA have screwed up their economies and many other parts of the world have not, the next boss of the IMF should not come from Europe or N. America.
        I agree, we should be learning from them , not vice versa. But one thing all agree on, Gordon the Moron would be a disaster !

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      • Jane Tracy says:

        Remember when questioned on the Today radio programme Stephanie Floundering Flanders described a 6 billion Euro contribution as virtually nothing…

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    • NotaSheep says:

      Is this is the same Stephanie Flanders who bedded both Ed Balls and Ed Miliband? As well as exhibitting poor knowledge of economics, she has/had attrocious taste in ‘men’.

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      • Grant says:

        Nota,
        Not at the same time , surely ? That would be gruesome. I don’t want to picture that.

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        • Buggy says:

          Personally, clusterf**k is the first thing I think of when contemplating those three……..

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  22. cjhartnett says:

    Ken the wily politician!
    His renting of the liberal cloak of virtue in twain was a masterstroke!
    The liberal elite want the prisons empty, so rather like his ideas and have said so-he is their kind of Tory.
    The plea bargaining/restorative justice stuff is Kens thinking much as theirs!
    it`s that rape word though-what is it?…an equal rights crime or women as victims…patronising or empowering?…meltdown!!!
    Such is their flaccid gestures and thinking that they have to face both ways and then up their own arses too…where is nanny?
    Just as they hopelessly do the intellectual splits on Islam and womens rights/homosexuality-so too today. 
    No answers at all-just political rigor mortis passing itself off as liberal viagra!
    The media elite find themselves now unable to sit on both horns of their own dilemmas at one and the same time-but they seem to enjoy trying to!
    Just wish they weren`t billing me for it!

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    • Grant says:

      cj,

      “flaccid gestures “,  “facing both ways” , “up their own arses”, “where is nanny ?  “.
      I don’t think this is suitable viewing for nanny !

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  23. George R says:

    “BBC opened itself to ‘ridicule’ over executive’s commute from US”

    [Extract, emphasis added]:

    “The BBC opened itself up to ‘self-inflicted and predictable ridicule’ after hiring a manager to handle the move to Salford who had to commute from the US, a Commons select committee said today.”

    http://www.journalism.co.uk/news/bbc-opened-itself-to-ridicule-over-executive-s-commute-from-us/s2/a544227/

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    • David Preiser (USA) says:

      Classic.  The Beeboid in charge of the move doesn’t live there, and the Beeboid who’s supposed to run the shop won’t move there.  And the BBC management simply doesn’t see a problem with it.

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  24. David Preiser (USA) says:

    The President is going to give His “I Have a Cunning Plan for the Middle East After All” speech in about twenty minutes.  Let’s hope Mark Mardell and the other Beeboids find something to restore their faith.  I don’t think Mardell’s garments can take any more rending.

    Critics like Mardell =-O have been concerned that the President’s treatment of dictators who butcher their own citizens varies widely depending on the circumstances.  They wonder aloud why He bombs Ghaddafi and scolded Mubarak yet turns a blind eye to Yemen and Saudi Arabia.  Well, after Sen. Rubio started an initiative in the Senate and the President relalized at last that He looked like an idiot for looking the other way when Assad cracked down on protests (dithering or deliberating?  Mark Mardell knows which, eh?), He finally publicly scolded Assad as well.

    Now He’s made such a mess of things that He has to make yet another “I’m Still In Charge” speech. to re-assure their faithful.  We’ve seen this a lot with this Administration.  They’re incoherent, incompetent, late to the game, misread the public mood, piss around, then finally they do something which doesn’t seem quite right.  After there’s enough shouting and infighting, it’s time for the world’s greatest orator to give a Speech.  After all, that’s what He does best.  Yet, the BBC rarely points out just how much of a mess this Administration is every time there’s a problem.

    You can be sure Mardell will find much to praise.

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    • Grant says:

      David,
      BBC 2 GMT News today had an Arab academic based in the USA ( I didn’t get his name )  slagging off Obama for not having a clue about the Middle East .  Among other things he said Obama seems to be “confused”.
      Kate Silverton was so gobsmacked she was rendered speechless. Probably the first time she has ever heard anyone saying anything bad about Barry.
      I suspect the Arab in question won’t be invited back on the BBC.   

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  25. Biodegradable says:

    This should be compulsory viewing for the BBC Middle East news correspondents:

    Behind the Scenes – The Making of Jerusalem: The Media Myth of Two Cities

    Why did you decide to address the issue of Jerusalem now?
    The city of Jerusalem is at the center of every story that mentions the peace process. But usually, the media reports it in such a superficial manner that they end up misleading rather than informing their readers.
    They have created a popular — but incorrect and damaging – view that there is no Jewish history to the eastern part of Jerusalem.
    Such a public perception feeds into campaigns that seek to delegitimize Israel. We felt it was important to create a reference tool that would set the record straight.
    You mention that Jerusalem history didn’t begin in 1967. What did you mean by that?
    When the media uses phrases such as “East Jerusalem, which Israel conquered in 1967 . . .” they’re misleading readers.
    That language implies that Israeli claims to the area only go back to 1967 and are based on a military conquest. It ignores the fact that the city — including what is sometimes called Arab East Jerusalem — has thousands of years of Jewish history.  To begin talking about Jerusalem only from the events of 1967 is to ignore the real story.
    You interviewed two Jewish refugees who fled Jerusalem’s Old City in 1948. What’s the significance of their stories?
    One of them said it best: “The World knows about the Arab refugees from 1948. Well, there were Jewish refugees too. I know because I was one of them.” How many people really know that thousands of Jewish residents of the Old City were forced out of their homes by the Arab Legion? The media report as if there was no Jewish history in the eastern part of the city. Stories like these women’s accounts are ignored.
    This video is part of a series. Tell me more about the series and your next videos.
    The goal of the “Few Minutes of HonestReporting” videos is to highlight issues consistently misrepresented in the media. In the future, we hope to look at the media’s obsession with Israel as the cause of Middle East instability, the lack of recognition for Israel’s peace efforts, and the inaccurate portrayal of Israel as an “Apartheid” State.

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  26. David Preiser (USA) says:

    The BBC started up their live text coverage of the President’s “I Have a Cunning Plan for the Middle East” speech a few minutes ago.  The topic of half the posts so far?  Nasty old Israel.

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  27. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Live BBC update of the President’s speech:  cut from the studio to an A shot of an empty podium.  Voice over:  The President is late, and we’ll be back here as soon as He arrives.

    Do they do this for the Prime Minister even?

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  28. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Funny moment in the BBC”s live text coverage of the President’s “I Have a Cunning Plan” speech.  Without exception, all the contributing Beeboids are full of praise for Him.  Paul Adams helpfully tells us the BBC Narrative of the day, that the decade of US violent aggression is over.

    But that’s not the funny moment.  It’s a lone tweet from “Sarsour from Nablus” among the hymns being sung to Him:

    When will Obama stop waxing lyrical about the achievements of others and say something useful? #MEspeech

    The one non-worshiper speaking truth to power.

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  29. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Funny how the President claims that He’s had this vision of peacefully enabling trust and democracy in the Middle East for two years, but he turned his back on the Iranian protesters last year.  No mention of that from the ecstatic Beeboids.

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    • David Preiser (USA) says:

      OMFG the President just now said He supported the Iranian protesters.  An utter lie, and the Beeboids won’t call Him on it.  Instead, Mardell is helpfully instructing you what His message is from something He said five minutes ago.  Useless.

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  30. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Now the President is claiming that the US responded the cries of the oppressed and went after Ghaddafi, “along with our NATO allies”. He dithered (deliberated, says Mardell) for weeks before being the last one on the boat.  No mention of that from the texting Beeboids.  Now He’s acting as if He’s been on top of the Assad situation the whole time, yet He also dithered on that for ages.  No mention of that from the Beeboids.  Only praise and breathless quotes of key bits of the speech.  This is journalism?

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  31. George R says:

    “BBC’s Matt Frei joins Channel 4 News”

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/may/19/matt-frei-channel-4

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    • Biodegradable says:

      Good riddance!

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    • Millie Tant says:

      Aaaaaaaaaagh… Sorrybut words fail me.

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    • David Preiser (USA) says:

      YES!!!!  Thanks, Goerge, you just made my day.  I guess Matty is unhappy that his little BBC World News America propaganda show got dumped from BBC America and is now available only on a few PBS stations.  Awesome news.  Good riddance indeed.

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  32. David Preiser (USA) says:

    The President just said “We will oppose” those who hold on two power through “coercion” instead of elections.  Will the BBC be upset about this gesture towards forced regime change?  Nah, not since He’s the one saying it.

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  33. David Preiser (USA) says:

    This is supposed to be a speech about a coherent vision to address the disparity between the way He’s been handling various dictators.  So far, He hasn’t said why it will now be different on that score.  Beeboids: Zzzzzzzzzz

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  34. David Preiser (USA) says:

    We’re into platitudes now, not actual plans.  Mardell told me this was supposed to be a coherent message about why He’s been dealing with dictators differently.  Lofty ideals, no substance.  And the Beeboids are swallowing it whole and loving every minute of it.

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  35. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Ah, here’s the substance now:  Throw more money at them.  Yeah, that’ll work.

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    • George R says:

      Exactly; his deluded general drift:

      ‘The Arabs/Muslims of Middle East/North Africa just need more and money to be like the West; The Middle East has oil wealth, but without oil wealth
       their experts are low, so the US will give the Arabs more funds, of which we Americans have plenty.

      ‘The only fly in the wonderful Middle East Islamic ointment is Israel, not Saudi Arabia, not Iran, not Islam; and hereby, I, Obama will proceed to sell out Israel..’

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  36. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Well, the President just revealed His opinion of the Isreal/Palestinian situation.  He said everyone’s efforst still weren’t paying off, and the Israeli settlements are still being built and the Palestinians are walking away from talks.  Only Israel is doing wrong.

    To His credit, He did say something the Beeboids will hate:  trying to delegitimize Israel will never work.  There goes an entire editorial policy down the toilet, I guess.

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  37. David Preiser (USA) says:

    But the Beeboids will love this little bit:  “Israel must be able to defend itself, by itself.”  After all the bromides, He just hung Israel out to dry.

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    • Grant says:

      Well, if Obama is saying the US won’t lift a finger to defend Israel that is really stupid. Even if it is true, he shouldn’t say it.

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      • David Preiser (USA) says:

        No, I think if He means it, He should say it.  If that’s His vision for peace, let’s hear it out loud now, rather than leave it to suspicion.

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        • Grant says:

          David,
          I meant that is a green light to the Arabs. He could have kept them guessing but chose not to. Amazing.

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          • David Preiser (USA) says:

            Again, let’s get it out in the open.  Now we know, no more sniping or guessing or being called paranoid and deluded when we say He is going to hang Israel out to dry.  Not only that, but His support for the Palestinians’ “Right of Return” is at odds with His other statement that Israel is supposed to be the Jewish State.  I’m sure no Beeboid will question it, though.

            He said that Israel was still wrong for building settlements, while the Palestinians were wrong only for walking away from talks.  Of course they’re going to walk away when they can use the settlements as an excuse, so who’s kidding who?  The best He could to is say that Israel has a right to exist and delegitimizing it won’t work, and that Hamas’s desire to destroy Israel is something the Palestinians need to figure out, which is something, at least, and is better than what most Beeboids think.  But if a Palestinian State goes to war against Israel and is joined by Egypt and Syria and Hezbollah and Iran, it’s clear that the current President will let it happen.

            Talking about His desire for a two-state solution is nothing new at all.  Previous Presidents have said the same thing, so He’s not taking some magical new stance here. But He said that part of the problem was that the Palestinians have always been occupied and never had their own homeland.  This tells me He is historically ignorant or just plain old anti-Israel, and takes the BBC/Palestinian position which rewrites history and pretends that the “occupied” ones were not Jordanian in 1966, but were something else even then.  He had just strengthened that myth worldwide.  The BBC already believes it, though, and regularly reports from that perspective.

            I await the BBC’s analysis.

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            • Grant says:

              David P,
              He doesn’t really seem to have a clue what he believes. As I posted before, my God, how depressing.

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              • David Preiser (USA) says:

                Actually, Grant He knows very well what He believes. Has for a long time.  Only we were misled by the media for a long time.

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  38. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Beeboids will also love that the President just legitimized the “Right of Return”.

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    • Grant says:

      David P,
      Surprisingly, the speech not referred to at all on BBC1 News at 6.  Well at least in the first 15 minutes. I need to wait to get Channel 4 News at 7 here.

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      • Grant says:

        Nothing on Channel 4, unless it was squeezed in at the end and I missed it.

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  39. David Preiser (USA) says:

    It’s over now, and the Beeboids will love this speech.  He laid out the idea of a two-state solution (just like Bush did), but heavily criticized Israel, said that Israel had to defend itself “by itself”, that the settlements are wrong (which, by extension means that Jews will not be permitted to live in a Palestinian State), and that the Palestinians had the Right of Return and a claim to Jerusalem.

    Every box ticked and then some.  A triumph!  Mardell’s faith is fully restored.

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    • Grant says:

      David,
      Utterly depressing. Obama’s ideas of what is worth fighting for and what is not is weird to say the least. Just to be fair, Dave is no better.

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      • David Preiser (USA) says:

        Grant, with the exception of His position against Israel, I more or less agree with the main sentiments that the US should work to force democracy down the throats of the cavemen of the Middle East. I had no problem when that was a Bush policy, and I have no problem with it now (don’t remind the Beeboids that this is yet another Bush policy He’s ramping up).  The President is right when He says that it’s in our own interests to do so, but we have to make the cavemen think it’s in their best interests as well.

        However, there was zero explanation of why He has dithered and treated different dictators differently, contrary to what Mardell promised me there would be (based on information fed to him by White House officials, as he admitted at the time).  The only real substance was the pledge to throw large amounts of money wrapped in bromides at them.  We’re not investing in the ME already?  Who believes that?

        But my real complaint is that the Beeboids bought it all hook, line and sinker, and will not call Him out on the falsehoods He uttered about His own inaction on Iran and Ghaddafi and Syria.  His words even contradicted Mardell’s own blog posts on the topic.  Will the BBC North America editor notice?  He didn’t dare say anything in the live text.

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        • D B says:

          Victor Davis Hanson’s take on the speech is here. He concludes:

          Is there any reason to believe that another Israel pullout in the fashion of Lebanon and Gaza would bring results any different from the violence that followed those two withdrawals? The problem is not the 1967 border but the failure of the Palestinians to craft a stable, prosperous constitutional government, and then negotiate about borders later.
          The president’s last paragraph about freedom as a universal value in the context of the Middle East was almost a verbatim synopsis of George W. Bush’s constant orations — and yet the president can rest assured that his democracy promotion will be praised by the media as idealistic and needed as much as Bush’s identical prose was damned as naïve and irrelevant.
          In short, like the Cairo speech, this Middle East address will soon be as much forgotten by most observers as it is referenced by Obama himself.

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        • Grant says:

          It is funny to think of soap-dodger Mardell writing what he thinks Obama should have said instead of what he actually said. You just wonder how far Obama would have to drift from the BBC view for the BBC to actually point it out. It is all so crazy. 

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      • NotaSheep says:

        Dave says he stands behind Israel when inteviewed by Jewish Press in Uk but elsewhere he is willing to cut them loose in return for promises of peace and maybe some Islamic votes in UK. No principles and no sense.

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  40. Biodegradable says:

    The BBC’s choice of feedback to publish:


    1758: Via Twitter The BBC’s Jeremy Bowen

    tweets: Saudis won’t like Obama’s criticism of Bahrain crackdown.
      1756: Via Twitter The BBC’s Jeremy Bowen

    tweets: Strong criticism of Assad from Obama. He can lead transition or get out of the way.
      1755: Matthew Lumby

    tweets: Nice speech, but not exactly ground breaking from Obama. Saving the best bits until last with challenge to Israel. #MEspeech
    1753:

    “The status quo is unsustainable, and Israel too must act boldly to advance a lasting peace,” he says.

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    • David Preiser (USA) says:

      Challenging Israel is best at the BBC.  You couldn’t make it up.

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    • Craig says:

      Of the 161 comments at the bottom of the Beeb website’s main report on the speech, the “editors” have “picked” just 4 comments (so far), which pretty much sum up the BBC point of view (with only Robert going off-message about Obama but making up for it by attacking “the Israel Lobby”):

      120. zola155 58 Minutes Ago
      Finally. A US President who has enough courage to do what none have done before him and that is telling the truth about our situation. I am an Israeli and I fully agree with him and hope he forces our government into resuming the peace process. We are like the ostrich burying its head in the sand and we will only raise our head when it is too late. Thank you Obama PEACE WE CAN

      124. Mark 1 Hour Ago
      Demanding an independent Palestinian state is good, but the President has to put put pressure on both the Israeli and Palestinian leadership to accept that. The latest news in today is that Israel has approved construction of another 1500 settlements on Palestinian territory. Good luck, Barack Obama, talking to Netanyahu when he lands in Washington in a couple of hours!

      8. Robert 2 Hours Ago
      I did not listen to Obama because I’m tired of his mostly empty rhetoric; he tends to sound good, even really good at times but then not much happens in the follow-up, IF there even is a follow-up. And I’m sure as regards the Palestian-Israeli situation it will be very heavily weighted on the side of Israel. His is an AIPAC policy that is unfair not only to Palestinians but to many Israelis too

      10. Hellodave 4 Hours Ago
      I think its good for the US to use its diplomatic pressure to help speed up democracy where the people demand it. It’s only a shame all their actions will not be blighted by their past involvement in the middle east as the oil comments highlight. I genuinely believe Obama wants freedom for these people and is not after oil, but I might just be naive…

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      • Craig says:

        So, that’s an Obama-loving Israeli who dislikes his own government’s policies; someone in favour of an independent Palestinian state who only cites Israeli settlements as the stumbling block; someone who attacks AIPAC; and, finally, someone who dislikes past American foreign policy, talks about “oil”, yet believes in Obama. Something to cater for all BBC tastes in that little selection.

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      • David Preiser (USA) says:

        What a shock, eh, Craig?  It’s just like I pointed out when the live text started before the speech: half the Beeboid comments were about Israel.  The speech was supposed to be mostly about the Arab Spring and dealing with lingering dictators, yet the Beeboids were instead salivating over a possible smackdown of Israel.  The President Himself said that the Mohammedan dictators were always using Israel to distract their citizens from their own oppression, and it was time to stop.  Yet here is the BBC doing just that anyway.

        The BBC’s relentless focus on Israel above all else is just as bad as ever, and is exactly the same distraction as what the President blamed the ME leaders for doing.   It’s an inherent bias, made worse by having someone as the Middle East editor who has a personal grudge against Israel.  How can Bowen ever be considered an honest broker of news from the region?

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  41. David Preiser (USA) says:

    I did like how all the Beeboids presented a united front of support and praise for His speech, while all the independent commenters – especially the Mohammedans – were critical and found little of substance.

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  42. jarwill101 says:

    I didn’t hear it, & it may not have happened, but a friend informed me that Tracey Emin asked Jenni Murray if she masturbated. Well, Jenni is a bit of a wankerina, & Emin is a Beeboid favourite, so there is a tortured logic to it, I suppose. But that Tracy. What a girl! Pushing 50 & she still hasn’t lost the toddler’s fascination with their genitals. Now if she was to ask Jez Al Bowen if he could play the Clash’s ‘Rock the Casbah’ out of his sphincter we might actually hear something groundbreaking.

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    • Grant says:

      jarwill,
      Steady on , I am about the same age and I…..   Wait, where is the delete button ?

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  43. Grant says:

    BBC and Channel 4 News seem to be leading with the Fred Goodwin story. He had an affair with a “senior colleague” and took out a super-injunction.
    I guess most of us don’t care  who it was but I , for one , would like to know if it was a man or a woman.
    Jon “Pinko”  Snow helpfully tells us   ” We don’t know what may have passed between them “.
    I think we should be told !

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    • David Preiser (USA) says:

      One reason I heard in the BBC’s reporting for letting the story out is that, as RBS is now owned by the taxpayer, Goodwin was by extension a public servant (a bit of a stretch given the circumstances, but for the sake of argument I’m letting it slide) and so the public has a right to know absolutely everything about it because he broke the official company rules of professional behavior.  So, does this apply to Beeboids as well?  They’re equally public servants according to that definition, if not more so.

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      • Grant says:

        David P,
        Quite agree.  Up here in Edinburgh where we feel this especially keenly, there are many who would like Goodwin’s guts for garters, including me.
        That this crook is not in jail is an indictment of the toothless British legal system which has become a total joke in all respects.

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  44. Lloyd says:

    Getting your excuses in early………on News 24, “if you asked a Grand Jury to indict a ham sandwich they would do”. Five minutes later DSK is indicted. They’re quickly losing interest in this story.

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  45. George R says:

    Who to watch on Obama’ speech which supports the unnamed Muslim Brotherhood, and selling out of Israel tonight?:

    Either:

    1.) Glenn Beck (Fox News) who supports Israel (Sky channel 509, 10 pm, UK time);

    Or:

    2.) Tony Blair (INBBC ‘Newsnight’ 10:30 pm) who’s prepared to do Obama’s work and sell out Israel.

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  46. D B says:

    Check out this great Bin Laden “tribute” song by Martin Short on Letterman.

    Final verse:

    You reached the lowest limits of the human race
    Could’ve shot you anywhere – how ’bout in the face!
    Had the chance to shoot you anywhere
    So we shot you in the face!

    Apparently the Now Show plans to do something similar when it returns to the airwaves but the lyrics will be more in keeping with the sensibilities of its core audience:

    The way you met your death old man
    It was a great disgrace
    Should’ve been charged in The Hague
    Like any other case.

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  47. ltwf1964 says:

    america is well and truly stuffed

    the idiot Obama has just called for jerusalem to be divided

    America is in for a very nasty surprise in days to come…….just watch the news

    it always follows that some kind of disaster happens when this is called for

    it’s coming…….and soon

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    • Grant says:

      Itwf,
      Although this is a disgusting betrayal of the Israelis by Obama, I am coming round to David Preiser’s view that it is , maybe, best that this is out in the open. The Israelis now know where they stand. They are on their own and can prepare accordingly.
      l

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      • ltwf1964 says:

        they must have had their suspicions before now Grant

        this just confirms them as you say

        all we need now is for this to happen…….;)

        http://bob-mitchell.blogspot.com/2011/05/world-boycotts-israel-god-blesses-her.html


        David Silver’s Comment: Calling All Boycotters


        As I wrote in last week’s comment, to appease the Muslims, most of the rest of the world is increasingly turning against Israel. In a futile attempt to punish and harm Israel financially, universities, trade unions, business corporations, media corporations and even professing Bible believing Christian denominations are already, or threatening to, BOYCOTT Israel made products and Israeli organisations.

        When I first heard these calls for BOYCOTTS just after the Gaza war of 2009, I was very concerned for the future of Israel’s economy. But I need not have been concerned. 

        In the same week as the God haters were making their anti-Semitic voices heard, we received news of a very large natural gas and oil find 50 miles off the coast of Haifa. Upon hearing that news, my heart leapt for joy and I said “thank you LORD” as I realised the God of Israel had everything under control and Israel didn’t need to worry about the BOYCOTTS. 

        However a few weeks later we were told the report of the size of the gas and oil field was wrong – it was BIGGER than first thought ! A few weeks later we were told they were wrong again – it is even BIGGER ! 

        Now they are saying it is indeed one of the largest fields of natural gas ever discovered.

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          It is now being reported that there is 16 trillion cubic feet of natural gas and about 4 billion barrels of oil under the sea-bed off the coast of Haifa and Hadera. They also recently announced the discovery of an oil field in the centre of the country and another oil field under the sand of the desert in southern Israel. There could be several billion barrels of oil in each of these locations. 

          Now we are hearing reports of the discovery of a massive deposit of oil shale. That is a kind of rock that contains oil inside of it. To extract the oil from the rock usually involves a process that is very damaging to the environment and requires enormous quantities of water, which Israel doesn’t have. However it seems Israel has invented a new process which separates the oil from the shale while it is still deep underground, eliminating pollution and environmental damage, and rather than using water, actually produces water. 

          It was first reported that there are 4 billion barrels of oil in the shale, but now they say it could be 250 billion barrels. Israel may have as much if not more oil than Saudi Arabia – a fact that will have a major political impact in the Middle East and further afield.

          In the next few years, Israel will not only become energy self-sufficient, Israel will become a major energy exporter. 

          Our God Reigns !!! – and it seems He is preparing to make His nation of Israel a force to be reckoned with in every way as He prepares to re-establish His terrestial Kingdom headquarters in Jerusalem, the undivided capital city of Israel. 

          Not the capital of Palestine and not the shared capital of a “Two State Solution” ! 

          So come on ALL you BOYCOTTERS – be my guest – BOYCOTT Israel !!! But if you are going to do so, please do it properly! 

          GIVE UP your cell phones, 

          GIVE UP your computers, 

          GIVE UP your memory sticks, 

          GIVE UP most of your medicines and medical imaging equipment, 

          GIVE UP your remote controls, 

          GIVE UP much of your music, movies & literature, and go back to live in the Dark Ages. 

          Come on now Mr & Ms BOYCOTTER – dont be a two faced hypocrite – if it comes from Israel or the Jewish people GIVE IT UP !. 

          Better still REPENT and ask the God of Israel for forgiveness and start to bless Israel instead.

          Now to all the faithful friends of Israel ……….. the best is yet to come. You have been grafted in to the Olive Tree of Israel (Rom 11:17) and will forever be a fellow citizen (Eph 2:19) of the only country that has any hope for the future. (Jer 30:11, Joel 3:1, Isaiah 60:12)

           

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  48. John Horne Tooke says:

    “Queen must grovel some more, demands Gerry Adams: Monarch’s words to Ireland a ‘gross understatement'”  
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1388319/Queens-visit-Ireland-Gerry-Adams-demands-Monarch-grovel-more.html  
     
    Dont worry she will along with the rest of the elite. I wonder if Peter Allen would agree with Adams that she has not prostrated herself and our country enough.  
     

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    • John Horne Tooke says:

      This is for Peter Allen if he is reading. I expect not, he probably gets someone to read him the Guardian in preperation for Radio 5 Lite Drive.

      “Sinn Fein leader Michael Collins throwing in the ball to start a hurling match at Croke Park in 1921. He had ordered the assassination of British spies the night before ‘Bloody Sunday’ the previous year”

      Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1388319/Queens-visit-Ireland-Gerry-Adams-demands-Monarch-grovel-more.html#ixzz1MqW4XkjG

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      • Grant says:

        JHT,
        I posted elsewhere, but have the Irish apologised for that ?  Is there anywhere to commemorate the murdered spies ? Have Irish “leaders” visited it ?
        Then the big question.  Why does the British Establishment crawl to the Irish on their hands and knees ?  ( I exempt the Queen from that, she is beyond reproach ).

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  49. Grant says:

    BBC website says that  Israel’s claims to be the only democracy in the Middle East have been undermined by the “Arab Spring “.
    Leaving aside the usual anti-Israel, biased BBC crap, which we have come to expect, note the word “claims”.

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