For several days, the BBC ran the sob story that “Aylan Kurdi” ended up being drowned off the Turkish coast because his father, Abdullah, had to flee Islamic State in an act of desperation and nobility. On the basis of this story, the EU has opened up its borders to potentially millions of muslims. It is now clear that there are some serious holes in this story not LEAST the fact that his father was living in Turkey for 3 years before the drowning. Islamic State didn’t exist back then, so how could be be fleeing them? Isn’t this worth the BBC at least considering? Or was this all just a concerted effort to destroy even the fiction of EU borders to North Africa? The source is …The Guardian.
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I don’t think I’m hard-hearted, but this story barely touched me – I could see the flaws in it straight away and recognised the ‘hooks’ that were being baited to pull the heartstrings. For a start, why was the cowardly, selfish father the only one with a life jacket on – disgusting. I’m amazed that it has produced the effect of an invitation to millions of ‘refugees’ to head to Europe, welcomed with open arms and choirs!! Why hasn’t the horrific stories of ISIS’s treatment of Christians in Iraq and Syria produced the same outcry, personally I’d be more interested in giving them refuge.
That father was not a refugee. They had been living in Turkey for three years so were never fleeing from ISIS. That very poor excuse for a father is guilty of negligent homicide of his own family.
If the sight of a drowned child “barely touched” you, you are hard hearted.
What really touches me is that some nasty bastards took away the dignity of that child in death by posing his body to use as propaganda to get Western nations to change their immigration policies. What angers me is the casual way certain groups use dead children to further their agenda. It’s well known in Pallywood productions that dead kids make good propaganda. So who are the callous ones? Those questioning the authenticity of the set up or the ones doing the setting up? The BBC and the rest of the Mainstream Media have been complicit in the use of that poor child’s dead body to further their agendas. Disgusting, and it seems hippiepooter has had his emotions manipulated in just the way the propagandists anticipated.
It’s very strange ALL the newspapers had the dead boy on their front pages, as we know the media industrial complex, promotes stories, Stephen Lawrence for example while others, the murder of Kris Donald don’t get airtime. Hmm, very suspect, seems these media corporations are pushing an open borders agenda.
Correct. The Establishment media is definitely pushing their own vile political agenda.
The EU has long time been having discussions with North African countries regarding the establishment of some sort of political union. From maps I have seen, the result looks surprisingly like the old Roman Empire. I’m probably jumping to conclusions but there could be secret long term plans by the EU and might go some way to explain why the EU are so keen on swamping Europe with Middle East illegal immigrants and destroying national borders.
That would only work again if there was a common culture and centralised all-embracing polity, as there was under the Roman Empire. It broke down as a result of the Islamic conquest of North Africa. To restore it you’d need either to drive out Islam from North Africa or . . . ah, yes, I see.
To restore it you’d need either to drive out Islam from North Africa or . . . ah, yes, I see.
What a good idea. Maybe that is why we are taking all these refgugees – as a pretext to change the Islamic world. It certainly needs changing.
It is called Eurabia
There was something horribly staged about the photo. If I saw a child drowned on a beach, the last thing i would do is take a photograph. Any normal person would check to see if he could be saved, and made sure nobody could take any photos. BBC keeps banging on about moral obligations. A moral obligation would be to show a drowned child some respect and give him some dignity. I can only imagine the photographer checked to see if he was alive, and on finding him dead walked away to take a photo from a distance. What sick creature could do that? Where are the emergency services. He was washed up on a beach in a seaside resort for gods sake.
I’ve read reports that the child’s body was photographed from several locations on the beach. Sick or what, if in fact it wasn’t a realistic doll. Strange that the one person who could vouch for the genuineness of the child, the father, has apparently buggered off back to the same Syria that he had fled in fear for his life life. It just feels fake to me
Surely there should be bodies of kids washing up all over the Med currently. Where is the outrage over their deaths?
VERY good point ray F
I posted somewhere here that the name was almost certainly ” Alyan” ( ironically “one who climbs upwards ” ), not Aylan. I may be wrong but suspect it is more likely that the journalists got it wrong. Only a detail, of course.
When I saw the original photo for the first time, I Googled the image to find where the source of it came from. I posted a link to that source on this forum several days ago. Tonight, I have spent some time trying to find that original picture on Google and again to locate the source. To no avail. The original source was from the W.R.O. (World Refugee Organisation) as the image was a retweet from some one to a guy within the W.R.O. who is travelling with the refugees making their way into Europe and recording the issues they face. The date stamp of the retweet photo was 09.04.15, but could have been, as has been suggested, an American method of date stamping. But, I have tonight typed into Google the W.R.O. to retrace my tracks and once again have a look at their web site and I now find that all references to the WRO (who published the picture to the Media) have vanished including web site. Simply gone. I’ll continue looking but have drawn a blank so far, but then I might be looking in the wrong place.
And yes, the “Child” was photographed in a different place before being placed on the beach, surrounded by Holiday makers would you believe. Would a police officer do this and remove all forensic evidence?
There’s something called the way back machine. I’ve never used it but I wonder if it would help you to find what you are looking for?
Hi John,
Yes, I’m doing that now and yes I have found the article I was looking for. More work to be done here. It might be something it might be nothing, but that picture just didn’t look right. can’t put my finger on it, but it just didn’t look right.
I know why it does’t look right. I have never seen a photo of a dead child in the MSM ever. A body does not lie on a beach waiting to be photographed. If it washed up at night, somebody would have spotted it in the first light or even during the night and alerted the authorities. If it washed up during the day, somebody would have gone into the water and carried his body to the authorities. Plus, as soon as he was spooted, his body would have been covered up and a cordon would be put round it. He could have been murdered by somebody. How did anybody know he was a washed up immigrant, he could have been a local boy who had been attacked and drowned to make it look like an accident. Did they not first check to see if anybody had been reported missing. It’s all very strange.
The hair of the poor kid waS neat and tidy. The skin is still pink, not showing signs of being dead in the water for hour.s. The limbs were neat and tidy. The clothing was tidy, not dishevilled. The body was across the tide flow rather than parallel with the tide flow. The policeman looked much neater than most Turkish officials. Other photos show the same body among rocks. There is a photo of the cop who carried the body along with a cop who appears to be carrying camera equipment.
Staged or what ?
The father is a proven bloody liar – who consigned his family to death by drowning, without lifejackets which are readily available now in Bodrum..
The Internet is full of these questions – is the BBC looking at them ? Of course not.
Aparently the kid died in his arms, and yet he also spent hours searching the beach for the body… This whole story is falling apart very quickly.
The father certainly is guilty of negligent homicide for that death. They were definitely NOT refugees fleeing ISIS. They had been living in the safe state of Turkey for the last 3 years!
https://fuhrerious88blog.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/image190.jpg
I know. If they were the two brothers they were identically dressed. Same shorts, same trainers. And considering one is 3 years old and one is 5 years old they are the same size. It’s the same boy, being moved to another location. Is it morally justifiable to treat a 3 year old child’s corpse as a political football? We need answers, and so does the grieving father.
http://www.fastnews.lk/8226/two-little-brothers-one-epic-tragedy-bodies-of-drowned-boys-are-washed-up-on-turkish-beach-after-boat-sank-as-they-tried-to-reach-europe-with-parents-images-inc/
If you are a “liberal progressive” lefty, then exploiting the deaths of children is always fair game. Those people are sick.
Well, this is the guy that transmitted the image world wide and boy does he have an agenda.
https://www.hrw.org/about/people/peter-bouckaert
Photo linked to the Human Rights Watch twitter feed, but was a retweeted photo. As yet cannot find the original tweet feed.
He knows the truth
It would appear that the fathers son (Aylan) has grown about 4 feet in length since he died:
https://twitter.com/rcolebourn/status/639765592145137664/photo/1
The thing is, they were buried in coffins weren’t they?
Holy crap this is bad. The two brothers washed up on the beach in different locations are exactly the same size according to the two photos.
It looks like the original image comes from this company:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CN5ApBYWwAAVaqe.jpg
Choice
Can the BBC and other MsM inform us of the choices that the father had ?
Well not committing negligent homicide of his family is one of the choices he should have at least considered.
Did you read the Guardian article linked to in the OP? …….’The deputy district governor Ekrem Aylanc told the BBC that the Kurdi family had been in Turkey for three years before deciding they should move on to Europe’.
So it seems the source was the BBC. Oh dear, another BiasedBBC blooper!
Small bet with self on how long before the words ‘you lot’ creep in.
SO … you claim that BiasedBBC have made a mistake??? I think not. You state it itself, that the BBC were aware that this man was not a refugee, yet chose not to inform their viewers of that fact at all…. The source of that story clearly is “The deputy district governor Ekrem Aylanc” as it was he who told the BBC that they had been living, safely in Turkey for three years, yet the BBC did not report this fact at all. The BBC was full of “poor refugee lost his child escaping Syria” and we now know that the BBC totally and wilfully mislead their audience. Thank you for proving BiasedBBC right.
Thanks Geyza.
I’ll remind you of what David Vance wrote so you don’t have to scroll to the top of the page.
‘It is now clear that there are some serious holes in this story not LEAST the fact that his father was living in Turkey for 3 years before the drowning…….Isn’t this worth the BBC at least considering?…The source is …The Guardian.’
A) In the Guardian article linked to it states that Aylanc spoke to the BBC and provided this info. So the BBC spoke to him, and reported his comments. The newspaper have taken that from a BBC broadcast.
B) If you’re going to dispute that the source was not the BBC, and was the deputy district governor, which is pedantic, then you must also conclude that BiasedBBC was wrong too as David Vance states that ‘The source is …The Guardian.’
Thank you for proving yourself to be not very good at this kind of thing.
Have the Beeb mentioned the Father wanting a new set of teeth, before moving on to his ultimate destination, Canada ?
Just sent this hope it posts
Zaid Benjamin (@zaidbenjamin)
10/09/2015 02:47
#Iraq | A mother of 2 drowned kids on Turkish shores says Aylan’s father was the smuggler pic.twitter.com/wsRhDf8cGc
I don’t speak Arabic so I cant confirm what is being said or how honest the woman is ,but plenty of Arabic speakers seem to think the ‘narrative’ is unravelling
Now, what are the chances of a “refugee” child wearing the same clothes as that boy that “drowned” last week in Turkey? From the picture above and of the pictures of the little boy “drowned” quite high:
http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/55e9a18c5afbd3e1438b456b-800/afp-toddlers-drowning-sparks-surge-of-donations-across-europe.jpg
Note the shirt has no collar, note it is the same colour, note the sleeves are the same length, note the trousers are the same colour, note the length of leg is the same, note the hair length of the child, note the hair cut of the child and note the height of the child. In another photo of the “drowned” child, some sort of pattern/writing can be seen on the front of the shirt when being carried by the Turkish policeman.
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSiTUdHjjN9SxBUPa7Eq9Qd0HNIP-vAX4MOECHR-YOnSNkrFZ9ezg
This young lad gets about somewhat doesn’t he, especially as he is supposed to be dead. Pity we couldn’t see his shoes now isn’t it?
http://www.barenakedislam.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/ZOe6TSAR.1441564174.jpg
Interesting comments on the above photograph?
If this is true, surely our MI5 people will have briefed our PM about this by now because the security of our country is at risk. If this is correct, we will see our PM close down AlBeeb Broadcasting and call for a judicial inquiry into the abuse of a public service ?