371 Responses to MID WEEK OPEN THREAD…

  1. neilw says:

    It’s good to see the Great British Bake-off has a nice representative mix of contestants – 5 out of 12 from ethnic backgrounds. Keep it up BBC, the bias is making you look more foolish by the day.

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  2. johnnythefish says:

    On tonight’s ‘PM’ there was a 5-minute report on the fate of the Yazidis in Syria – well, it was mainly about Yazidi women and girls – slavery, rape (the ‘Rotherham Connection’ was the slumbering pachyderm in a dark corner of the studio), enforced conversion etc. – though there were some broader points including what amounts to ethnic cleansing. Altogether a depressing picture of how savage and inhuman a certain religion can be.

    It did occur to me, though, that this was the first time I’d heard anything like a detailed report of the fate of Yazidis in Syria on ‘PM’ and I wondered why they’d chosen to do it now given the horror has been going on for a couple of years.

    Also, more puzzlingly, not once did I hear – these being Yazidis an’ all – the word ‘Christian’ or any derivative thereof.

    They’ve got a funny old approach to the news at the BBC, haven’t they?

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  3. JimS says:

    Some of you may have seen the BBC 2 programme Are Our Kids Tough Enough? Chinese School..

    There was a chilling moment when, after a Chinese teacher had said that they should listen to their parents, one of the children remarked something to the effect that they couldn’t do that as their parents might be ‘racist, xenophobic, homophobic etc.’. Shades of the Russian Young Pioneers or the Stasi in East Germany encouraging children to ‘shop’ their parents!

    That goes to show how successful the BBC and the ‘liberal’ legions have been in perverting our children, even to the extent that they despise themselves.

    Recently I have been fortunate to spend time in the company of some young foreign language students visiting this country. Fortunate because it was positively joyful to see their enthusiasm and confidence in themselves and their country. In contrast the young in my own family resent any attempt at humour, (bound to be racist, xenophobic, homophobic etc.), and long for the Socialist Utopia where we are all minorities in our own land and living off Employment Support Allowance.

    I’m not sure how we got to this state but BBC ‘comedy’ since the 1980s certainly hasn’t helped.

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    • gb123 says:

      I have been quite fortunate with my children. Working abroad in various countries they spent very little time in British schools. One never went to a school in the UK. As a consequence of this they have learned more about English history than they ever would, speak multiple languages, including Chinese, and are astonished at the lack of general knowledge of their peers in the UK. The schools they went to took them to Mongolia where they helped build homes for street children and to Cambodia where they saw the Killing fields and many other places. They rarely watch the BBC and the older one who liked EastEnders as a child says there is nothing but PC agendas instead of stories so no longer watches it.
      If you want to learn about the UK now you have to live away from the country as the schools seem to have lost the plot.

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      • Grant says:

        gb123

        I live in Gambia and my 8-year old daughter goes to the local state school where I do a little charidee work. The school has very few resources. Class sizes about 50, very few books and teaching is chalk on blackboard. The standard of english, speaking, writing and reading and maths is far higher than the equivalent in the UK. When I tell the Head and teachers this, they simply do not believe me.

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      • Aborigine Londoner says:

        I bemoan the fact that my 2 year old grows up learning about other cultures and nothing of her own. Presumably alBeeb are using Rastamouse and Tales from Africa so the next generation won’t need brainwashing and will be fully in tune with the ideology they are trying so hard to promote.

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  4. nogginator says:

    Had to repost with additions, from 3 days ago … the MSM is lapping it up
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-34138127
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/07/hate-crimes-against-muslims-soar-london-islamophobia
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11848780/Islamophobic-Britain-Muslim-women-are-spat-on-and-covered-in-faeces.html
    http://www.lbc.co.uk/70-increase-in-anti-muslim-hate-crimes-in-london-115835
    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/woman-in-hijab-knocked-unconscious-as-police-figures-show-huge-rise-in-islamophobic-attacks-a2928146.html
    “The shocking reality of the attacks has been underlined in a video released today (?) which shows a woman in hijab being knocked unconscious on a London street”
    Sheesh!
    An organisation which monitors Islamofauxbic attacks claimed women are the primary targets … hmmmm
    Source BBC? … oh yes, thoroughly discredited liars from Tell MAMA
    “A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.”
    Who said that eh!

    BBC London News even has a special on it – the obligatory walking black out curtain, states someone said “we don t trust you” onto another, “someone tugged my veil”, more niquabi s come out with more of the same, “someone said I was a traitor “states, one … are we slipping into offence erm “industry” here?
    Run that VT of the black guy, punching a woman from behind … an attack that has been trawled around on various programmes … its well over TWO AND A HALF years old

    So is that it?, the evidence? … beyond flimsy, both for the claims, and the coverage by the BBC

    Why all the Burkha wearers on show? those of political vent usually? wearing it IS a political act.
    It is nowhere in the Quran … hmmmm..
    First, its wearing is an instrument, encouraged by the Islamist political extremists,
    aimed at preventing the integration of the Muslim community into mainstream Britain,
    so … wearing it is used to visibly give the two fingers to our wider society.
    It is an overt statement of deliberate concealment too, we see you, but we conceal ourselves?
    … why be surprised if people don t trust you? The veil hides identity, any common citizenship involves trust, and trust cannot exist where one cannot see people’s faces in public

    If it s for your religion, wear it in the Mosque,
    If it s for your husband bloody wear it at home, in bed if you want …… if it isn t?.
    It is anti social, anti integration and those who encourage it need, and deserve the harshest critique

    However did a call for “modesty” ever, get perverted into this eh!, and for the women in all this ?
    “The veil sets women apart from men and apart from the world; it restrains them, confines them,
    it grooms them for docility.
    A mind can be cramped just as a body may be, and a Muslim veil blinkers both your vision and your destiny.
    It is the mark of a kind of apartheid, not the domination of a race but of a sex.”
    Ayaan Hirsi Ali

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    • john in cheshire says:

      The Burka should be banned. My usual belief is for less government and fewer laws but as far as islam is concerned I think an exception has to be made. In fact, I think islam should be outlawed in England

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      • nogginator says:

        Additional …
        Daily Mail reports a “motiveless” 2012 crime , as sign of 2015 rising Islamophobia crime. – 9 Sept.
        http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/09/uk-daily-mail-reports-motiveless-2012-crime-as-sign-of-2015-islamophobia-rise
        “Demonstrates that dhimmis, collaborators and useful Idiots are as much in evidence at the Daily Mail as at the other UK papers.
        And here they go again, falsifying a three-year-old news story and quoting Fiyaz Mughal, a discredited Islamic supremacist liar, to support their claim that “Islamophobia” (a term designed to intimidate people into thinking it wrong to oppose jihad terror) is rising in Britain”

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      • Ian Rushlow says:

        The burqa could be banned under existing legislation, specifically the Public Order Act which was introduced to control Oswald Mosley’s Fascists by banning the wearing of political uniforms in public. People might want to speculate whether there is any substantive difference between a group of men marching, dressed all in black and shouting ‘Down with Jews’ then and a group of women doing the same today.

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      • Mr A says:

        Agreed, I usually disagree with all bans on principle (Big State and all that).

        However forget the burkha; Islam itself should be banned. If it was called what it really is, an ideology, rather than “a religion”, it would be proscribed within days.

        If a new political party started up and a besuited spokesman said, “Well, our shiny, new manifesto states that homosexuals are actually animals who should be exterminated, as are Jews. Yes, we’d gladly wipe them off the face of the planet and that is our aim. Women are possessions and fairly expendable with no rights and child rape and paedophilia in general is fine as long as it’s with people who aren’t members of our party. Oh, and everyone who isn’t a member of our party is less than us, so we believe they should be at best, taxed to support us or at other times enslaved or murdered,” there would be an absolute outcry. Especially if you then looked at the actions of that party and saw that large numbers of that party globally were going around raping (Sweden, 1400% increase in rapes), committing paedophilia (Rotherham, Ayelsbury etc) and murdering (well, everywhere….)!

        But no….. tolerance, acceptance, diversity. Save the fluffy Muslims from people who disagree with that ideology. Unbelievable.

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      • Al Shubtill says:

        J in C – Islam should just be outlawed period; world wide.

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    • Dave666 says:

      according to tell mama “an independent group” LOL. Is that a bloke in a dress?

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    • Grimer says:

      ^^^^^ Is that a man? ^^^^^

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    • picky20 says:

      Whatever is the accent of the veiled woman – I’ve lived in NZ for 35 years but I used to know most English accents – however this one is completely baffling to me, and sounds foreign. Where does it come from – enlightenment please?

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  5. Dave666 says:

    Didn’t believe the Aylan / Alan drowning from the start. I look forward to the feature film they make on the incident which will no doubt be “highly acclaimed” by the BBc. A quick check of my E-mail reveals my MP has still not replied to me. Oh trailer for Reggie Yates investigates Is BRITAIN RACIST. Yea but it’s as objective as the ARE RUSSIANS NOT VERY NICE. he did before. Coming soon.

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  6. Alex says:

    A good article by Hodges:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11853107/The-Left-should-keep-its-moral-lectures-to-itself.html

    Highly pertinent to the insufferable sanctimony we are all subjected to on a daily basis by the BBC and the Left.

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  7. Grant says:

    Report in the Daily Telegraph today. ” The BBC is to broadcast a new history of Anglo-Saxon England , in a bid to revise historical drama so that the invaders are no longer the bad guys “. Agenda ? What agenda ?

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    • Dave S says:

      The BBC does not like Anglo Saxons so I am surprised. Not as cuddly as the Celts and certainly much inferior to our recent arrivals.

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    • Ian Rushlow says:

      Much as we can anticipate the BBC’s perverted take on this and no doubt they think themselves clever and right-on, it is actually the Establishment view. The idea of ‘benevolent invaders’ was promoted heavily by the British goverment during the 19th Century as a way of justifying its own Empire building. The concept of ‘good’ invaders e.g. the Normans as opposed to ‘bad’ invaders e.g. the Vikings is heavily ingrained in our culture. Do not forget that the followers of William the Bastard – as he was commonly known until Victorian sensibilities dictated a change of name – still own 25% of the land of this country and many Establishment figures are direct descendants.

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    • imaynotalwaysloveyou says:

      Cor blimey is that true? I’ll look forward to seeing Chiwetel Efiojor as Alfred the Great and Thandie Newton as Aethelfleadh. Sorry if I spelled old Chewie’s name wrong..terrible luvvie but actually a pretty good actor.

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  8. Grant says:

    And a new series of documentaries ( I think ) includes one titled “Is Britain racist ? “. Well, I have travelled a bit in Europe , Middle East, Asia and Africa and I think the British are the least racist people I know. Apart from Beeboids, that is. They are very racist. They hate the British !

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  9. David Brims says:

    Angela Merkel dropped a nuclear demographic bomb on Germany which they’ll never recover from. I saw one English Red Cross worker, a witless wonder say ” Germany needs migrants their population is declining.” It’s not swapping like for like, is it ? Germans can produce a Mercedes Benz car, the Eritreans, Somalians, the Syrian invaders are still living in the stone age.

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    • nogginator says:

      I vill say zis only once! …

      Refugees: Merkel Warns Those Resisting Quotas
      http://t.co/Kgb5CYz4JJ
      … resistance is futile?

      BBC – Migrant crisis: Germany ‘can take 500,000 asylum seekers a year’
      http://t.co/fVzWbhCure

      “Has anyone bothered to ask the German people?
      If they want their country transformed into the new Islamic Sweden?”
      Pat Condell

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      • Dave S says:

        Once again Germany proves itself to be heading down the road to ruin. This time for good by the look of it when it becomes an Islamic state. Trouble is it will then be a menace to the rest of Europe.
        Leaving the German dominated EU is vital to our survival now.

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        • Englands Dreaming says:

          On radio 4’s Today, there was a witless German saying that Germany in 1945 took in 40 million refugees, so can easily manage the 1m odd now. Ermmm, who where these 40 million refugees? Germans. Hardly a valid comparison. Even the FT yesterday used the totally pointless comparison of the Hungary in 1958.

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    • Ian Rushlow says:

      1939. Hitler speaks to Europe. We are in charge – give us all the Jews.
      2015. Merkel speaks to Europe. We are in charge – take all the Syrians.
      Contrast and compare.

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  10. nofanofpoliticians says:

    Precious little BBC analysis on the Juncker announcement on quotas this morning. Nothing in fact to reflect the fact that the concept is unworkable whilst the Schengen concept stays intact, after all free movement and all that doesn’t sit well with his proposals.

    In addition, his numbers don’t add up. He advocates quotas for 160k people, and yet 50k are expected just next week.

    This article in the Independent is a good read and will make some eyes water in the BBC

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/refugee-crisis-how-europes-alarming-lack-of-unity-over-the-issue-could-bring-about-the-break-up-of-the-eu-10492151.html

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    • Aerfen says:

      Of course there is no analysis. The ‘quotas’ are all a front to fool people into thinking the EU are being’fair’ to everybody.

      Even without Schengen, when these people have citizenship and they are being fast tracked, they are free to come to Britain or to cherry pick any other coutnry, but Britain will be favoure dbecause of the English language.

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      • Up2snuff says:

        Someone from either the Mayor’s Office in Calais or the appropriate Internal Affairs Ministry in Paris told a Beeb reporter yesterday that it was due to our ‘crazy Benefits system’. I was expecting to hear a BBC splutter before the mic was dropped on the ground but the reporter kept it all buttoned amazingly well.

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        • nogginator says:

          Almost all of the migrants massing in Calais have turned down the offer of asylum in France
          http://t.co/fq8UAwQknD

          is it the food?
          Calais: Illegals complain and throw away food

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          • Demon says:

            Silly cow, after being rebuffed twice she says that “she understands them”. Nobody should donate anything to these ungrateful swine. They’ve made their own bed etc.

            Why are the ungrateful wretches faces pixellated (as are some of the volunteers)? Their faces should be recorded and they should then be sent home (I mean the chancers not the “do-gooders” of course).

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            • Grimer says:

              Let them starve then. I eat out of date canned food when I find it at the back of the cupboard. If I was camped out with nothing, I’d have thanked her profusely. I guess that’s just me… (British, polite, good parents, not a muslim).

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            • picky20 says:

              Why are the bleeding heart lefties so unbelievably, suicidally tolerant? It just doesn’t make sense to keep turning the other cheek to these obviously inferior low lifes. It is a perversion of human nature to want to keep giving to those who throw your gifts back in your face – must be some sort of distorted self-aggrandisement?

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    • Aerfen says:

      Of course there is no analysis. The ‘quotas’ are all a front to fool people into thinking the EU are being’fair’ to everybody.

      Even without Schengen, when these people have citizenship and they are being fast tracked, they are free to come to Britain or to cherry pick any other coutnry, but Britain will be favoure dbecause of the English language.

      The BBC don’t want people to work this one out.

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    • Englands Dreaming says:

      The map of opinion polls by Eurostat was interesting, it clearly shows the vast majority of EU citizens against taking in more migrants – only Finland was positive.

      Also lets clear up the misconception that eastern Europe is ruled by right wing extremists. In Czech Republic it is a centre left coalition with a left wing president. Watch German bully boy tactics now move up a gear: The eastern EU members will be threaten with less “aid” money, Cameron if you want to “renegotiate” UK’s terms you better take some more migrants, etc.

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      • ID says:

        Martin Schulz, the president hardly anyone has ever heard of, let alone elected, has already threatened the Visegrad group on German media. They are not showing enough “solidarity” or “respect for European values” and unless they toe the German line they won’t get the cash. He was also threating to reintroduce internal borders which would affect Eastern Europe far more. No more Poles in Britain. How ironic, Camerloon may be able to achieve one of his red lines thanks to German petulance. Germans may be beginning to realize the magnitude of their folly. Business organisations are pointing out that onlt 1/3 of the migrants are qualified for work. Instead of Willkommemskultur the new “big idea” is Mitwirkungdkultur, i.e. fast and complete integration into German society within a couple of years. The DIHK point out to date only 12% of migrants have been able to fully integrate. One estimate is that 20,000 teachers will be needed just to teach the child migrants. Vast sums will have to be spent just to teach the adults German. The sooner we leave this EU madhouse the better.

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    • ID says:

      Numbers adding up in the EU!!. The whole EU farce is built on Alice in Wonderland logic.
      I was watching a discussion on German TV about the “European crisis”. After much blah blah and platitude, the experts seemed to agree that it is true that every state has a currency and a border but they got it wrong in thinking that if they created a currency (Euro) and a border (Schengen), they would create a state. I sure this is some sort of well known logical fallacy. The reason to believe the crisis will be resolved is, of course, the article of faith “Europe emerges from every crisis even stronger” Total cloud cuckoo lsnd. Maybe Trump is right and Western politicians are simply fools. Apparently walls, borders, fences are incapable of preventing mass movements of people, yet Putin’s borders are secure. He even creates borders in other people’s countries which are equally inpenetrable.

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  11. David Brims says:

    ” It’s only THE BEGINNING of illegal influx says EUSSR President. Donald Tusk, has said that Europe has only seen the beginning of illegal immigrants breaking through the borders.

    “The present wave of migration is not a one-time incident but the beginning of a real exodus, which only means that we will have to deal with this problem for many years to come” he said in a speech, at a Brussels-based think tank.

    “Therefore, it is so important to learn how to live with it without blaming each other,”

    “But let us have no illusions that we have a silver bullet to reverse the situation.”

    “Compassion is one of the foundations of solidarity, but in order to be able to help others we ourselves must be pragmatic at the same time.”

    The question is: why is the happening now? Why are these illegal immigrants pouring in now, and not say, 100 years ago, or even a 1000 years ago?

    Because 100 years ago, the rulers of Europe were not trying to turn White people into the minority.

    It’s only since the 1960’s that Europe’s rulers have decided to force the continent to become “diverse”, in blatant disregard to the peoples will.

    This is legally White Genocide, because anti-Whites are deliberately trying to turn White people in Europe, and across the planet, into the minority. That is genocide.” whitegenocideproject.com/its-only-the-beginning-of-illegal-influx-says-eu-president/

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  12. NameNotNumber says:

    137,183 signatures
    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/106477

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    • ID says:

      The voting rate never drops below 800/hour. It would be great if the total reached at least 500,000. It could help defuse the “image has opened the public hearts/arms/pockets” narrative which seems to be spewing out of every media orifice. Channel 4 news tonight was interviewing what seemed to be older people in Peterborough and one woman said in relation to the “image” “The media is just tugging at our heart strings to GET ITS WAY”. At least some “ordinary” people realise they are being nudged and manipulated to go along with an agenda that is not in their interests. Seems at odds with the usual Channel 4 line as exemplified by Krishnan in full Good Samaritan mode, on Lesbos.

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    • Dave666 says:

      138,012 as of now still climbing.

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      • Grimer says:

        It’s a slow burner. I signed when it had about 25 thousand signatures. To be honest, I don’t really agree with the wording – I want to stop all low/unskilled immigration into the UK, but it was the only petition going and there didn’t seem much point starting another one.

        It has had zero media coverage, unlike the touchy feely ‘let them eat cake’ petition. It would be great if it ended up with more signatures. I imagine everybody that would sign the other one, has already done so. This one, on the other hand, has mass appeal. People just don’t know about it.

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  13. Up2snuff says:

    David Brims: “The question is: why is the (sic) happening now? Why are these illegal immigrants pouring in now, and not say, 100 years ago, or even a 1000 years ago?”

    1. Because 100 years ago, Europe had only just got rid of the previous Muslim invasion which
    2. Did happen around 1000 years ago
    3. Refugees & migration were not really weaponised until Saddam Hussein made early attempts at the time of invading Kuwait, and
    4. It was seen being used in the Yugoslavia conflicts where, if I recall correctly, British & other military observers & peacekeepers noted what was happening (with the exception of Paddy Ashdown whose mind was, apparently, elsewhere) and warned or predicted that it was likely to be used in future conflicts as populations increased.

    There’s another reason: technology. A friend of mine, UK born but of Nigerian origin, occasionally rages about the rule of mobile phone companies in his ancestral part of Africa. That’s when he’s not telling me about the positive business, social & personal well-being factors they have also brought to Africa as a whole. As has been noted, a lot of these people flooding in (btw, ‘flooding’ is OK to use now, it has the Eddie Mair/BBC stamp of approval) from south, south-east and easterly directions are all clutching mobile phones.

    How do I know a little about what is going on in Syria? Another friend has a sister there and they regularly speak on the phone. The world has become a small place and people are now moving in large numbers to prove it.

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  14. Cranmer says:

    R4 programme panel debate tonight about the immigration crisis. Some reasonably balanced discussion at times, but some absolute twaddle as well, with some strangulated voiced Kiwi woman, lecturer in Moral Waffling and Middle Class Hand Wringing at the University of East Grinstead (or something) coming out with a classic line (I’m paraphrasing) that ‘we have a moral obligation to house refugees. I personally wouldn’t, because I have a small flat with my partner, but I know that I should. That makes me a hypocrite but a conscious hypocrite, which is not so bad’.

    To be fair, they did have a very short snippet from Peter Hitchens saying we might have a few problems importing lots of foreigners and he mentioned the ‘M’ word but nobody else did.

    I did however miss the last 15 minutes so would be interested to know if integration and clashes of culture/religion were discussed – for the part I heard, it was just assumed that the incomers were ‘just like us’, nothing to worry about etc etc.

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    • johnnythefish says:

      ….with some strangulated voiced Kiwi woman, lecturer in Moral Waffling and Middle Class Hand Wringing at the University of East Grinstead (or something) coming out with a classic line (I’m paraphrasing) that ‘we have a moral obligation to house refugees. I personally wouldn’t, because I have a small flat with my partner…

      That would be the leaderess of The Green Party – you know, the one with the open borders policy which never quite saw the light of day on the BBC during the election.

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      • picky20 says:

        I think she’s Australian, isn’t she? Mind you we have plenty of those shrill handwringers here in NZ too, I was going to say you are welcome to some of them but, unfortunately, as easy as it is for the Muslim masses to migrate to UK, with no English, no qualifications and no jobs, it is very difficult for NZers and Aussies – if they’re under 27 they can get 2 year working visa, but not citizenship or permanent residence. Amazing isn’t it?

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  15. Up2snuff says:

    David, I’ve thought of another reason why it is happening now. Two actually. Money transmission around the globe has never been easier. Various suggestions have been made that some of the payments by would be migrants to traffickers are effectively financed by money from relatively affluent relatives already in the west. It can be done via the internet now. Banks are no longer needed.

    In addition those same banks, at behest of their Central Banks directors or national Finance Ministers are currently offering little or no interest on deposits. Can’t be beyond the wit of folk to ask themselves ‘Could this money be doing something else?’ It would be interesting to know exactly how much money is swishing out of the UK for this. Back at the turn of the century, either a Panel member on Any Questions or a contributor to Any Answers (think it was the former) let slip that even then £6bn per annum was transmitted from the UK to the Indian sub-continent by private individuals.

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    • Aerfen says:

      Top post Up2snuff!

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    • Thoughtful says:

      I wonder just how much money is coming out of Saudi, Qatar, Kuwait, Dubai, Kazakhstan, Abu Dahbi, etc to the West for the promotion of Islam ?
      How much for the compromising of Western political leaders, and just why exactly did the Daily Mail do a very uncharacteristic 180 turn on immigration ?

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  16. Aerfen says:

    These people claiming we’have a moral obligation’ to take them make me soooo angry!
    Their conscience may tell THEM that, and thye have every right to be guided by it, but MY conscience tells me somethign quite different, that we should put the interests of our descendents first and NOT take them.
    We cannot solve the problems of the world.

    What makes these stuck up prigs think THEIR conscience trumps those of people who disagree with them?
    Where is their cultural relativism?

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    • nogginator says:

      There were barely 2000 people said they would consider housing an illegal/refugee, consider how many would probably follow it through, (especially as the real picture of illegals has slowly started to emerge)
      Don t believe the hype, this is relentless propaganda, just because twitter says eh!, the BBC rolling, relentless on and on and on, elitist, pontificating, opinionated, crap
      I believe we have the church of climate change mentality,
      Refugees/illegals? the only question allowed
      how many can you take? … the “science” is settled
      ( I thought refugee meant in the first place of refuge).
      and …
      Moral obligations? … Well Iran, Qatar, the UAE, Saudi Arabia and Turkey and almost every other Muslim country in the M E have been involved in the Syrian civil war now, where s the OIC, and our rep S Warsi?
      Where s the Arab League? not one of the Gulf States has a resettlement programme for Syrian refugees…
      Moral obligations? until Saud, UAE, Kuwait, Qatar,(they are fabulously wealthy, and Islamic ) the gulf states …
      until they step up … should we?, without them?

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    • Dave S says:

      This is the crux of the matter. Their conscience trumps everything. Their emotional needs trump everything . These needy insecure pathetic liberals really think they have the right to impose their absurdities on the rest of us.
      Most if not all of them have non jobs in government, teaching, media etc paid for by the rest of us and have never had to think for themselves or struggle for one day.
      Useless tax eaters all of them.
      I hold this to be true. I have the right handed down to me by my forefathers to hand on to my children and their children the land and the way of life and the freedoms that I have enjoyed. This right is inalienable and I will never cede it to these liberals and their nation killing way of looking at the woirld.

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    • ObiWan says:

      We have no moral obligation at all to take any refugees, despite the BBC and CH4 insisting otherwise. It is a complete nonsense to suggest that somehow Britain is ‘responsible’ for the utter chaos that is Syria. We have not invaded Syria, nor have we attacked Syria.

      The only moral obligation we have, as human beings, is to eradicate the murderous filth calling itself Islamic State – because they represent an existential threat to our way of life and our hard-won freedoms as well as being a constant threat to the peace and security of nations all around the world. All else is secondary, including the plight of refugees. If you cut out the cancer the host at least has a chance to survive.

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      • Thoughtful says:

        And your opinion as to why America is actively trying to prevent ISIS being destroyed by the one man who actually has Western Christian interests in mind, Vladimir Putin ?

        Why do you suppose US policy is to merely ‘degrade’ ISIS while the real enemy they see is Bashar al Assad who they claim to be the real cause of this crisis.

        The only countries which could possibly benefit from this are the Suni Muslim oil rich gulf states who hate Amhadis with a burning passion.

        And why would the West do their bidding…………

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        • Ian Rushlow says:

          There may yet be a quid pro quo deal with Russia and they may be strengthening their hand in Syria in anticipation. As in, we’ll stop interfering in Syria if you let us have our way in Ukraine. Russia perceives control of Ukraine to be in its strategic interest, whereas Syria is more about supporting a long term ally and in the last resort could be abandoned.

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        • nogginator says:

          Russia are assisting in clearing ISIS … HELLO!
          Once again, (sorry for keep repeating it), Buraq Hussein Obama lives up to name, typical Islamic thinking … ISIS Bad … Assad Badder, can t wait to cause a power vaccum, so his petro brothers can take charge

          50 Intelligence analysts say info on Islamic State is cooked, to give illusion of victory
          “There are deep-rooted, systemic problems in how the U.S. military command charged with the war against the self-proclaimed Islamic State assesses intelligence.”
          Indeed. It shows that it doesn’t assess intelligence at all.
          It shows that it isn’t really interested in fighting or defeating the Islamic State. It is only interested in creating the appearance of fighting and defeating the Islamic State, so that it doesn’t suffer politically for not doing so.”
          R Spencer
          http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/09/exclusive-50-spies-say-isis-intelligence-was-cooked.html

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    • chrisH says:

      How can the Godless “let it all hang out 60s patchouli Julies” DARE to talk of “moral obligations”.
      Thought your petty morals maan, died out with Mary Whitehouse (and Keith Richards in Toronto?).
      These scum have no morals-only Purposes….and oafs like Welby, Papa Frankie are culpable for letting them off with their presumption.
      The Beeb have been peddling moral free solutions to everything since 1967…so STFU re your “morals”…

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  17. Up2snuff says:

    Not bias as such but a comment on the dangerous ‘game’ or approach the BBC are currently taking over their Senior Editors’ Blogs and other Have-Your-Say opportunities.

    It struck me at the weekend that since this particular web-site asked posters to register & present a clear ID, not only have posts become rather more civilised but new registrants have turned into contributors. Discussion & sharing of ideas here appears to have increased.

    By closing down much of HYS & restricting comments on their major Blogs, the BBC may end up ‘pricing themselves out of the market’ and there will be a flight to alternatives on the internet. A sharp Director General or Director of Digital & Strategy would see the obvious dangers in that and do something about it.

    I wonder if they will wait until it is too late?

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  18. The Old Bloke says:

    I’m saying it again tonight, “they” are lying to us. Through BBC Radio Devon tonight, we were told that the minimum temperature for Devon was going to be 12 degrees! What! They really are pushing the envelope. Temperatures are now showing single figures. This is a deliberate fixing of the low night time temperatures that are broadcast to be higher than they actually are. Is it the met Office or the BBC or both behind this deliberate ploy? I can’t believe their forecasts are continually so bad, it must be deliberate.

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    • Essexman says:

      Yes OB , the temps are down tonight , as soon as the sun set , it got chilly . They are always trying to con people , the evil BBC .

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    • John Anderson says:

      OB

      Thanks for your reports.

      Any chance of you keeping a tally day by day for a week or so of the BBC-predicted temperatures compared to the actual nightime lows ?

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      • The Old Bloke says:

        Hi John,
        Yup, no problem at all. I’ll scour the BBC weather forecasts for each region to get a quota of suggested minimums and then look at two weather data gathering sites (one which is the Met Office own data set) and compare. I’ve got weather watcher friends on and off Dartmoor in Devon so Devon data is simples. 😎

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        • 60022Mallard says:

          We all know that interviewers tend to interrupt those saying something that they do not empathise with, but when someone on here sat down and analysed how often that happened and to which party’s representatives the evidence was produced which was so much more than opinion. Even better it was when the Tories were in opposition so the old harder questioning of the government excuse was null and void.

          The same became true from an analysis produced on here of “What the papers say”, I think on Newsnight where the Guardian featured virtually every night and more often than not first and clearly lead the mentions table.

          If you do do your analysis and it shows what you suspect it will be much harder to be “dismissed” with the usual waffle about generalisations etc.

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    • Deborah says:

      I arrived in Venice this afternoon. The pilot announced it was 20 degrees C. All I can say is 20 degrees in Venice is a lot warmer than 20 degrees in Yorkshire. I think we are being given artificially high temperatures in a summer where 80 degrees Fahrenheit has been but a dream.

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      • Arthurp says:

        Probably humidity. A humid climate reduces perspiration making you think it is hotter than it is as the body can’t cool down as quickly.

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      • Rob in Cheshire says:

        If they gave the temperatures in Fahrenheit we would know they were talking bullshit. I don’t have a feel for temperatures in Celsius. If measurements are given in metric I have to roughly convert them in my head to get an idea of what they are. It does wonders for my mental arithmetic, and also reminds me that the BBC is anti-British in everything it does.

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        • Grant says:

          Rob, what is most bizarre is when they give rainfall in millimetres. “600 mm of rain fell in Japan “. The metric system has its uses in science, but not in everyday life. Ask any Beeboid their height and weight in metric and they won’t know.

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          • Aborigine Londoner says:

            Pisses me off that everything is priced in US dollars on alBeeb.

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          • Rob in Cheshire says:

            I agree Grant. I happen to know my height in metric, but only because it is on your passport. What has surprised me is that builders seem keen to use metric, but they use millimetres, which seem impossibly fiddly. Very little on a building site needs to be done to the millimetre, yet they will say things like “600 mills”, when you would have though two feet would be more easily visualised. But what do I know? In fifty years this country will be a caliphate, and the metric system will be the least of our worries.

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  19. Thoughtful says:

    I wonder if in the haze of insanity that Jean Claude Junker wanders around it, the arguement against the UK NOT taking any economic migrants could be made thus:

    Poland, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, have depleted their populations by them migrating to several Western European countries, which have seen populations rise as a result.

    In order to repopulate these countries, the EU should send the migrants to them first before considering allocating any to the crowded suffering West whose only crime was to have worked hard and become comfortable.

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  20. BRISSLES says:

    Once all these migrant young men become citizens of Europe, with the proper paperwork they’ll be on the first boat over here because they speak English. The ‘white flight’ from London started many years ago when the Boroughs around Heathrow became overwhelmed with ethnic minorities, who have gradually encroached their way all over the capital; should this country deign to by-pass housing waiting lists to accommodate the possible incoming 20,000 and counting, then the ‘white flight’ will be a free for all stampede to God knows where ? I see a future where whites will just about have control of Cornwall and Devon, and possibly the Shetlands . There’s a docu/drama in this somewhere, the “Apocalypse of Migration” would be a good title.

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  21. BRISSLES says:

    Oooooo, Denmark has ceased rail links with Germany !!!! who’s next ? The Czechs are kicking off that they don’t want any, so the rhetoric by Mr Junker is falling apart at the seams before he’s started dishing out the quotas !!! ………. and still they are coming to Lesbos.

    ‘”Denmark’s new centre-right government has promised to get tough on immigration. Since its election in June it has slashed benefits for new arrivals and restricted the right to residency. ” this is according to latest news report, that migrants don’t want to be registered in Denmark, and are being forced off trains heading to Sweden.

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    • taffman says:

      The rhetoric is changing – Al Beeb is now stating………….
      ‘As the EU struggles with a major migrant crisis, the European Commission has proposed that 120,000 additional asylum seekers should be shared out between members, using binding quotas.

      Notice the word ‘struggles’. Yes ‘struggles’! No more ‘we can take them all in’ attitude. In my opinion the penny has finally dropped with the European Union members.

      Merkel’s unilateral call to open the borders to Germany is backfiring.
      Germany now realises it cannot take all that are heading their way and is trying to offload her mistake on to the subservient countries of the EU.

      We wont need a referendum to get out of the EU when Cameron gives the date – The Eu will already be finished culturally and financially.

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    • Mr A says:

      And Norway has mobilised its military. Admittedly probably to shoot Norwegian “racists” who don’t welcome the invasion, but at least one European nation is showing it actually HAS a military….

         16 likes

      • BRISSLES says:

        Norway, like Switzerland are not members of the EU (they’re also the richest nations), so are well within their rights not to allow anyone in. Oh that we were of the same mind.

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  22. John Anderson says:

    Look at all these poor women and children on Lesbos :

    My heart bleeds. Not.

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    • Englands Dreaming says:

      I saw this report on Czech TV news (the equivalent of BBC1), the large numbers of angry young men obviously make it unsuitable for Beeb broadcasting.

         35 likes

      • johnnythefish says:

        But in all other respects holds up pretty well against similar BBC bleeding heart broadcasts.

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  23. David Brims says:

    Meanwhile, Somalians in Sweden, their ingratitude borders on the supernatural. This is Europes future.

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    • David Brims says:

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      • David Brims says:

        Dare I say the word, parasites, unfortunately they will ultimately destroy the host.

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        • Leha says:

          Germany and Sweden are a danger to the stability of the rest of Europe.

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        • Anne63 says:

          It’s the only word that fits.

          The only ‘good news’ is that the wheels seem to be coming off all over Europe. Signs that people are waking up.

          I was saying a couple of years ago that Denmark will lead. I still think I’m right. A proud country that probably sees neighboring Sweden as a example of how not to do things.

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      • Demon says:

        I’m afraid that Sweden is a victim of its own liberalism. The BBC is trying to do the same to England.

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      • picky20 says:

        Imagine these people as your tenants – what squalor would your flats and houses be left in, too awful to contemplate.

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  24. AsISeeIt says:

    “Young people might question the establishment, yeah, but… she’s like – the Queen”

    Amusing moment yesterday – care of our BBC – when Reeta Chakrabarti ventured out from her North London bubble to visit Stevenage. Apparently our Reeta had the task of making a ‘balanced’ vox pop on the subject of the Queen. As is the way of the BBC she flounced into Stevenage with a pre-set mind-set. In conversation with a group of youngsters she quite obviously attempted to egg them on to say something derogatory about our long-reigning and much respected monarch.

    Clearly not getting the right sort of sound bite our Reeta tried to emphasise the meme lurking in her own head and that of her employer that ‘Young People Question The Establishment’. The bright young chap in the spot light allowed the point to pass but bravely held his ground against the BBC in his respect for our culture and traditions.

    Good for him. A modicum of hope for the future.

    By the way the BBC found some bloke in the street to say what they wanted. He looked and sounded somewhat like a BBC junior employee.

       42 likes

    • Guest Who says:

      “Yah, right, like… mental”

      Was he carrying a titanium Brompton for the producer?

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    • BRISSLES says:

      “Yeah, but, like she’s our Queen” – shame most of those under 40 can’t recite the words of the National Anthem. I was horrified on Pointless yesterday, to see a couple of 20 something’s who giggled unashamedly because they didn’t know even the first verse to God Save the Queen ! God almighty, someone earlier on here mentioned our kids being the ‘brightest’, so what EXACTLY are they learning at school ???? Watching Pointless is a good indicator of the standard of knowledge across the generations we have in this country. Suffice to say all the pop music is answered correctly by the under 30’s. Geography and Literature are the domain of the over 50’s. I have watched aghast that few can answer the books of Charles Dickens. Never mind, the art of conversation is being lost anyway, so what’s the point of being informed when we only have to press a button to find the answer.

         24 likes

      • Rob in Cheshire says:

        When in doubt it’s best to go for the Central African Republic or the Federated States of Micronesia.

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  25. The Old Bloke says:

    You should have heard Bill Buckley yesterday lunchtime on BBC Radio Devon! Talk about anti Royalty, he is it! A dreadful phone in programme, so Liberal and wet, I have to mop up under the radio after his programmes. They really are hard to listen to as Bill Buckley is right and everyone countering his arguments wrong. A typical Lefty stand point and so typical of the Far Left BBC.

       31 likes

    • Rob in Cheshire says:

      Isn’t he a professional gay who used to be one of Esther Rancid’s “boys” on That’s Life?

         11 likes

  26. Doublethinker says:

    I know its a pointless gesture that will just be ignored but I have e mailed my MP , a Tory, to say how angry I am that the clear will of the British people not to take migrants is being ignored and indeed misrepresented by the BBC. Also that I am very disappointed that most MPs seem to be falling for the BBC lie that the Brits are in favour of taking lots of migrants.
    Looking at this site ( not representative I know) but also the stuff on HYS on the BBC, plus comments to the Telegraph and Times and several other newspaper polls , plus a You Gov survey, I am convinced that it is crystal clear to anyone who looks, that the Brits don’t want any migrants. Of course I expect the BBC to ignore this but why are MPs ignoring it to? The have researchers and they must know the true feelings of the British people their electors. So why in the Commons debate on the crisis did only one, the MP for Shipley, have the guts to say that the majority of Brits didn’t want any migrants. Is that they are afraid of upsetting the Muslims who are already here? Surely it must be more than upsetting the liberal left and BBC etc.
    Anyway I finished the email by suggesting that as the BBC were deliberately misrepresenting the views of the British public on such an important issue, there should be an investigation into their disgraceful coverage of the crisis.

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    • shelly says:

      I also emailed my MP Yesterday stating that there is a huge silent majority in this country who are not being fooled by the msm and are frightened about the future of this country.
      I’m not expecting a reply.

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      • Dave666 says:

        Shelly I’m still waiting for the reply to my E-mail from last Friday. I do expect a reply I don’t expect it to address anything I’ve said. If I don’t get a reply I’ll find the time to see him at his surgery.

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  27. AsISeeIt says:

    A careful observation of yesterday’s BBC coverage of the Queen left a clear message for the viewers that – although personally hard-working, dedicated and overall a good thing – the institution of Royalty is in the opinion of the BBC a bad thing.

    I find this depressing. It seems to me the BBC is gearing up to campaign with the message that She must be the last of the line. It has to stop here. The fact that just about the last vestige of British culture and tradition resides in the institution of Royalty appears to make them a prime target for the BBC pan-European multi-culti mind-set. All cultures are worthy except ours.

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  28. nogginator says:

    Heard on the news this morning, apparently there are 1.8m UK families on social housing waiting lists …
    1.8 million! … how many already here, happen to be foreign nationals? … not “waycist” a simple objective
    question.
    Calais? – illegal immi oops apologies “migrants” (almost all of the migrants massing in Calais have turned down the offer of asylum in France) … massing, is that better BBC?, PC enough?, better than “swarm”
    http://t.co/fq8UAwQknD
    And …
    Of course now, its all refugee babeee! … how many are you down for? … get the doors open, how many per household? come on hurry up, don t think, a child s dead in Turkey haven t you seen the photo?, shame on you, how many rooms?.
    we re flying them in from camps NOW!.
    The source of the problem?
    No time for that, its a “cwaisis”, look the “science is settled”, how many you down for? … you deaf! … HOW MANY?

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    • Grimer says:

      Memo just in from the BBC

      From: Danny Cohen
      Sent: 10 September 2015 12:07
      To: >BBC_News
      Subject: Correct Terminology for current refugee crisis – *** updated ***

      Dear Staff,

      Recent reports regarding the refugee crisis in Europe have referred to people ‘massing’. This term has negative connotations and has historically been used during reports of ‘armies massing’, at borders, prior to invasion (Germany troops massing at the Polish border, in 1939, being just one example).

      BBC journalists should avoid using this term in all future reports. It is suggested that, instead, the term ‘currently residing’ is used to describe the large numbers of the predominantly female and underage doctors, engineers, etc currently seeking asylum within the EU.

      This alternate phrase is considered both ‘value neutral’ and informative – the refugees will not be residing at the relevant locations for very long (although they may be replaced by additional refugees shortly afterwards).

      It should also be noted that the rapidly replenishing populations, of desperate refugees, should not be described as ‘unending’, ‘never ending’ or ‘limitless’. While these terms are technically correct, they do have some negative connotations and could potentially play into the hands of the Far Right. Please remember that the BBC has a responsibility to frame the debate in a responsible manner.

      Given the recent use of these now banned phrases, I expect the News team to provide some much needed balance – for example how about a story on Secret Cinema’s plan to erect a cinema screen at the so-called ‘Jungle’ in Calais (this would make a good story tie in with the recent edition of Songs of Praise) or perhaps some sympathetic human interest stories, such as how a desperate refugee doctor always dreamed of contributing to the NHS, but didn’t have access to the pen needed to complete the visa application form?

      Anyway, keep up the good work and don’t forget to keep plugging the ‘lot’s more refugees please, we’re British’ petition.

      Yours faithfully,

      Danny

      PS: Has anybody seen my quinoa vegan salad? It appears to have gone missing from my private office refrigerator.

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    • RJ says:

      “No time for that, its a “cwaisis”, look the “science is settled”, how many you down for? … you deaf! … HOW MANY?”

      I know the great and the good have been signing up for free, live-in, domestic servants, but we don’t all live in houses built with a servants’ wing.

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  29. Up2snuff says:

    BBC SUITABLE SEMANTICS #1

    Surge is OK, it seems.

    Well, OK to describe people here in the UK. Maybe not in relation to migration but concerning the increased NHS demand in wintertime, it seems that it may be used. Apparently we will be ‘surging’ to use the NHS in numbers that may be too great for an inadequate number of nurses, according to this morning’s News and the TODAY programme. ‘Surge’ has today’s stamp of approval. However, it may be wise to check again on Saturday afternoon or Sunday morning.

    The new Labour leader may well have declared it by then to be a) inappropriate, b) divisive, or c) deeply offensive.

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  30. Dave666 says:

    BBC Breakfast So maybe they now have started to grasp that the majority don’t want Immigration. No selective shots of “mainly” Syrian women & children refugees. So instead we have the story of a nurse who travelled twice back to his home in the to recruit nurses for our NHS. A lot of them had their visas refused. Can you see where this is going? Yes there is a worry about the number of nurses for the on coming winter rush. The story was then repeated on North West. So maybe we should be scouring the med and Calais for suitable candidates.

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    • taffman says:

      If Cameron is serious about getting immigration down he had better strengthen his Coastguard and the Royal Navy’s coastal patrol. Or we will shortly see Abeeb’s bleeding heart reporters on the beaches of Dover and the south coast, welcoming the ‘surge’ of invaders coming in from France to overload our International Health Service and housing lists.
      The recent events at the Channel Tunnel will appear like a tea party to what is coming this way.

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    • Grant says:

      The NHS recruit mainly through agencies, who also recruit overseas and arrange visas. Any ECO ( entry clearance officer ) in a British Embassy faced with a visa application which is not through an agency is likely to refuse it for that reason alone, even assuming all the paperwork appears in order. But, the BBC demonstrate that their ignorance knows no bounds.

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      • Dave666 says:

        Grant thank you for those facts which I was unaware of and the BBc chose not to tell me about.

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    • Roland Deschain says:

      It rarely seems to be asked why we need to recruit nurses from abroad. Why are we stealing other countries’ nurses instead of training our own?

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      • BRISSLES says:

        Because if you saw where the administrators and recruiters are mainly from…… they may have a British passport………………. then you’d understand why. You won’t find many Smiths or Jones I can tell you.

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        • Aborigine Londoner says:

          I had the pleasure of a equality and diversity lecture courtesy of a University Hospital Trust in London. The facilitator opened in a very defensive way by asking what we thought was the largest ethnic minority in the borough. Obviously it wasn’t her particular minority. My thoughts were “well, you’re over represented then!”.

          My hand was first up when she asked “Who can tell me what positive discrimination is?”. She did not like my accurate and succinct reply of “It is the appointment of someone to a job or position based on their ethnicity rather than being the most qualified for the job”.

          Good job she didn’t hear me mutter “a bit like you” under my breath.

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          • Dave666 says:

            LOL When I was a civil servant I managed to avoid every diversity course they attempted to get me on. They never managed to get me to go to one.

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  31. Doublethinker says:

    For a good summing up of Europe’s reaction to the migrant crisis I recommend Melanie Phillips in the Times. Pity it is behind the paywall. As always Melanie is very sensible.

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  32. johnnythefish says:

    The A and B sides of a well-known BBC single, the good old vinyl 45 variety, with special attention being paid to the point at which the needle sticks:

    ‘Man-Made Global Warming……Global Warming…….Climate Change……Climate Change…..Climate Change….’

    ‘Immigrants……Economic Migrants…….Migrants………Refugees….Refugees…..Refugees……’

    You are beginning to feel sleepy….very, very sleepy……

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  33. nogginator says:

    On and On! … Al BBC like a bloody broken record this morning, Ch4 news last night … give me strength!
    I saw something a few days ago it got me started.

    We have no Leaders we can trust, to honestly lead us,
    we have no reporters we can trust, to truthfully inform us,
    we have no teachers we can trust, to reliably guide us,
    we have no police to unflinchingly protect us and
    no lawyers we can depend on, that will stoically defend us.

    We are at the mercy of the arrogant, the patronising, duplicitous , inept, and self serving.
    The twitter, the hashtag, the media in their pockets,
    who value the lives of suspicious strangers, above the lives of those they are supposed to represent.
    Who will see you at the foodbank, yet send billions abroad
    Who are punishing the poor, but will not stop immigration
    And now … its migrants, migrants, refugees and asylum

    All our Grannies can die of cancer,
    our children can die in poor housing, or want of a drug,
    our mentally ill can rot on our cold, wet streets
    our disabled can be denied, and chastised
    our ex-soldiers can go *uck themselves (it’s all they deserve).
    Migrants, migrants, refugees, and asylum
    …… That s the mantra, that s the incantation
    ………………. they are all, that matter now.

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  34. JeffW says:

    ‘Despite the clamour of the summer, there is not enough reliable data, nor understanding of the implications of the new expanded electorate to predict the result with any confidence.

    And in the last couple of weeks the fizz has gone out of the Corbyn campaign and both Yvette Cooper and Andy Burnham’s teams report support coming their way.’

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34197785

    Wishful thinking, Ms Kuenssberg, unless you know something the betting markets don’t:

    http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-labour-leader

    The Betfair odds – which are extremely accurate overall – imply that there is about an 80% chance of Jeremy Corbyn winning (and that figure hasn’t changed much in the last couple of weeks).

    If the you genuinely think that this contest is anyone’s for the taking, then you should bet on Andy Burnham at 10/1 and Yvette Cooper at 7/1, as based on your article they are massively overpriced.

    My money says you won’t though…

       18 likes

    • Guest Who says:

      The BBC editors’ analysis record with polling having been sooo reliable in the past.

      Shame they can’t rig election ballot counts directly too.

      Worth every penny.

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  35. Cranmer says:

    Denmark setting up roadblocks and suspending train services (although I think some have resumed now) will send out a very unwelcome message to the pro-immigration lobby. Denmark is often held up as an example of an ‘englightened’ Scandi utopia, where everybody gets free everything and women get paid to breastfeed in public etc. Yet, they’re now behaving like those nasty, racist, hideously white Hungarians! Surely it will cause some mental confusion around the breakfast tables of north London.

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  36. Thatcherrevolutionary says:

    Forgive me if my figures are slightly out of date, but BBC employees = 16,672, Channel 4 employees = 727, ITV employees = 4,559 gives a grand total of 21,958.
    This means each one of these hard-left, pro-immigration propagandists can take one of Cameron’s 20k into their own homes!
    Win-win situation all round for everyone.

       44 likes

  37. nogginator says:

    BBC reports, Tappeaser May, the voluntary, flexible, Police force redistributing out tasks etc etc – More Tory Lunacy … people are feeling more vulnerable as a result of local and global events this government slash police budgets by 50% over a 7 year spending period!. No idea how many illegals in Britain, what health problems are being brought in, what kind of criminals are coming in, organised criminal gangs and how many potential terrorists, already no go areas in many cities … break in sort it yourself, car damage sort it yourself, attacked was it your fault? … abused get over it.
    Neighbourhood “Bobby Dads Army s” Watch? … better … police your own area?
    Shariamour, welcome to Eurabia

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  38. Thaddeus says:

    The big BBC bias story of the day is surely the complaints about the Panorama on Jeremy Corbyn, which some have compared with Fox News, and described as a ‘hatchet job’.

    Strangely, not a mention here that I can see?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11850438/Jeremy-Corbyns-team-criticises-BBC-distortions-and-exaggerations-over-Panorama-programme.html

       14 likes

    • Guest Who says:

      You mean the BBC bricking itself about Jezza getting in and really messing with their plans for the opposition/new government, and hence again meddling with democracy and policy like they now do everywhere else all the time?

      No, not a peep.

      Welcome Thaddeus, such informed contributions have been missed.

         18 likes

      • Thaddeus says:

        Ha! Fair point. What was missing from my thinking was an appreciation of the conspiracy element of ‘you lot’.

        Kind of cute to have a stalker though Guest Who.

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    • nofanofpoliticians says:

      I suspect that most people on here have long since given up on the ability of Panorama to produce anything on an unbiased basis.

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    • shelly says:

      The Corbyn hatchet job (which I think was mentioned on one of the open threads this week) goes to show how desperate the BBC are for someone less “controversial” to use on of their favourite words for a maverick such as Corbyn , to get the Labour gig.

      They must know that Jezza will condemn Labour to the wilderness if he gets the leadership, and that will never do.

         21 likes

    • Guest Who says:

      Tx for the link anyway.

      Here’s another from the page you mentioned, both now ‘here’…

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/11833042/A-fitting-end-for-Alan-Yentob.html

      Surprised you shared one but missed this; it makes for worthy reading. As do the comments.

      I can see your contributions will be invaluable.

         10 likes

      • Thaddeus says:

        Contributions from dissenters never seem to welcome, but hey…I enjoy a little head banging occasionally.

           1 likes

    • johnnythefish says:

      BBC Panorama also revealed that in 2012 he spoke at a rally attended by supporters of Hizbollah who waved banners with pictures of machine guns.

      Phew, the overwhelming stench of hypocrisy from the anti-Israel BBC. They need to do a Panorama on themselves sometime.

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  39. Leha says:

    bBC Scotland harping on today about so called “carbon capture” schemes and how we will be able to dispose of tons of the stuff in depleted oilwells.

    And I’m thinking this will be another 50 bloody quid on my fuel bills.

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  40. Guest Who says:

    http://chersonandmolschky.com/2015/09/09/france-misses-jews/

    History, of the again unlearned variety, repeating itself?

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  41. nofanofpoliticians says:

    Interesting to see that Jonathan King has had his collar felt once again

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/09/10/jonathan-king-arrested-historical-child-sex-offences_n_8114976.html?utm_hp_ref=uk&ir=UK

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    • RJ says:

      Anything to distract us from the ongoing abuse of white children by “men” in so many of our enriched cities.

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  42. logiebored says:

    BBC News goes into full Hollywood disaster movie mode as the ‘unprecedented’ ‘severe tropical storm’ affecting China is reported in hysterical tones, with accompanying aerial shots of houses being ‘literally swept away’ by this ‘unusually heavy rainfall’. Then cut back to the studio for a one-to-one with Darren Betts, BBC weather presenter, who, predictably, reminds viewers that ‘there’s obviously a warming world’ etc etc. No mention of course of record lows regarding hurricanes and tropical storms generally in the last few years, or the fact that even the IPCC could not find evidence of increased activity relating to AGW`. BBC and The Met Office. Squint news and bent science.

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  43. logiebored says:

    Barbara Platt-Usher of BBC News gives it full bias mode on US politics.
    ‘Donald Trump, the bombastic Republican frontrunner….’
    Hilary Clinton-No description of her, or reference to her lying, cheating, illegality on emails etc. She ‘reassured allies’ on Obama’s ‘signature policy achievement’.

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  44. Geoff says:

    Plenty of positive ethnic role models with a feminist edge in last nights new bBC drama ‘Doctor Foster’

    Woman in mixed relationship, her white boyfriend beats her, note where the sympathy lies. Principles in medical practice is 2/3 ethnic, the one white is the one who’s marriage has gone to hell and is acting unethically, plenty of sensible advice from her partners. White middle aged man is the ‘baddie’ adulterer with young temptress.

    Lasted about 30 minutes.

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  45. chrisH says:

    Don`t ask me why I endured nearly 90 mins of Today and Gordon Browns show afterwards on Radio 4 this morning.
    In one ear, out the other.
    But I DO know that Monty asked a Greenpeace shill(male) and a Lady Bryony Worthington(New Labour House of Lords) to “debate” fracking-and whether her new found support for it will bring Burnham and Corbyn down within 48 hours of their coronations?
    Good God-not an issue anybody but the Toadies would even give a damn about…yes I KNOW its Lady Bryony…none other…but still?
    Fracking done-migration next,slagging off Morrisons, more Labour leadership puffery, more migration please m`lud.
    Then Gordon Brown gets a whole programme to explore his troubled soul over Kier Hardy, and his dad…why should he get his counselling free from us?
    Only two points though
    1. Cruddas says that the new Labour coterie who are voting for Jizz are “far removed from the people of this country”….our BBC poppet surely saw no parallel did she?…but the BBC are just Occupy with Lush body soak.
    2. At the end, some author on Africa implied that “jihadists, Chinese and aid workers” were now the very bane and drain of African enterprise and autonomy….don`t think Monty was ready for that!
    Bloke was a cabbage-but he`s right about the festering patronage and condescension of the elite like aid workers, causing the very problems that their Uncle Justin, Auntie Tessa will need to get grants for next financial year.
    Monty , of course saw no contradiction between her constant moans in Lagos…and this man saying she`s a poverty pimp for the elite?
    Bloody Sun and Classic FM are to blame….
    Maybe the BBC reckon that this coronation of Jizzboy will be their very last chance to witness labour in electoral mode-where Labour wins anyway…

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    • David Brims says:

      ”Gordon Brown gets a whole programme to explore his troubled soul over Kier Hardy,” Hardy died in 1915, Brown was born in 1951, they never met unless Brown is in contact with Hardy in the spirit world through a medium.

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      • chrisH says:

        “Post traumatic conversion disorder”-I think we call it.
        Believe that Jimmy Maxton of Clydeside was a vector, and infected the Great Broon.
        Either that or mad cow psychotic paranoia.
        Feel free to mix and match the above gibberish to get a balanced view on how The Man Who Stole Our Pensions still gets a chance to bluster on the BBC.
        Maybe he should be consulting the Witches of Endor…his dad would have got the reference-the BBC won`t.

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        • shelly says:

          Incapability Brown the unelected Prime Minister, what a complete irrelevance that man is.
          Him and the bbc are made for each other.

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  46. BRISSLES says:

    A week’s a long time at the BBC.

    A week ago it was saturation covering of wall to wall Migrant Crisis, – stand offs at Budapest station etc etc and a shower of BBC reporters scurrying everywhere to grab the best story. A week on, and here on the lunchtime main news we are treated to a report from Herefordshire about the picking, packing and storage of …… apples !!!! as Richard Littlejohn regularly says.. “you couldn’t make it up”. Oh yes, and just a snippet of news from the congregating millions at Hungary’s border.

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    • David Brims says:

      The Circus has moved on.

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      • Grant says:

        Lefties and luvvies , such as Beeboids , have very short attention spans which , in some ways, is a blessing.

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        • ray_f says:

          I think the BBC have accepted they lost this battle. The country was turning on it due to its relentless attack on its indigenous population. We will not be shamed into self destruction. It will have to find another point of attack. I cannot wait.

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  47. G.W.F. says:

    A rather bland report from the BBC about yesterdays talks with the Israeli PM at Downing Street. Outside the usual Corbynite, Left Unity, Class War, SWP, and a few terrorist supporters have a punch up with arrests to follow. Of course, these demonstrators are BBC favourites, as we see with Kate Hudson (CND Secretary), calling for Israel’s disarmament and self annihilation.

    http://order-order.com/2015/09/09/tory-mp-calls-cops-on-downing-street-terror-demo/#:awX754muXnuqCA

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34206350

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  48. Peter Sausages says:

    I hope old yellow teeth Corbyn wins the Labour leader contest….Liebour will be out of power for years.
    How will the Beeboids cope ?

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  49. Englands Dreaming says:

    We are told Germany needs all these migrants as there are labour shortages and its rich and can afford to finance them. Now why didnt it tell all those unemployed youths in Spain, Greece, Ireland, etc to come on down when these countries were on there knees and in the case of Greece and Cyprus still are. Earlier this year Germany was hell bent on extracting its pound of flesh from Greece, totally dysfunctional.

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  50. logiebored says:

    It is often illuminating, when noting the bias in BBC reports from certain reporters, to tap into their twitter page. One particularly irritating reporter, Jenny Hill, has been a constant on our screens throughout the ‘refugee crisis’ breathily reporting from Germany as Berlin Correspondent. Reading her twitter account, she refers to articles in The Graun and another pro-Europe pro immigration website Carnegie Europe portraying Merkel as Europe’s conscience, which she regards as ‘interesting’, as well as many more that give the lie to any impartiality. Suffice it to say, when tweeting she cannot disguise her feelings and doesn’t. She tweets ‘Germans at Munich Railway station applaud refugees arrive (sic)- Great atmosphere’ and ‘Germans waiting to give toys to refugee children-heart warming’.
    Nice of her to tell us what’s happening, and how to feel. By the way, those arriving in Germany are ‘refugees’ or ‘asylum seekers’ according to Jenny. Not one ‘migrant’ among them. Check her tweets. It must be true.

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    • Essexman says:

      Jenny Hill , a kinda `Children in Need ` lightweight reporter, with the authority & knowledge of a dead fluffy bunny. Totally dim n thick ,

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