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R4 6.00pm news several nights ago. It was a minor item about a court judgement of appeals against the gov for the application of the use of the spare room, some failed, some succeeded. At the end the bBC had to call it either the gov ‘spare room subsidy’ or the lefty ‘Bedroom tax’. Which one did they choose? Why the Labour tax epithet of course.
That is how the eminently fair community charge became the ‘Poll Tax ‘
Replace with Hillary and voila!
Same blind devotion, same hysteria, same reaction.
My Korea is a bit shaky nowadays. Were they bravely trying to mutter something about a second referendum through their grief?
BBC 1 Two minutes silence disgrace. Running programmes right up to Big Ben striking. Running a BBC programme advertisement immediately after the two minutes were up.
If you’re fed up of snowflakes (including BBC ‘journalists’) weeping and gnashing their teeth about the Trump victory, here’s something to cheer you up.
I invented some new terms
Donial – The denial that Donald Trump is the legitimate president of the US
Donialist – person who is in Donial
Don-ier – see above
The new Elton John song ..It Looks like Donial (must be the stars in their feed)
………There is the Guardian World and there is the real world
I just saw on Sky news and interview with a young lady on the streets of a US city who said Trump was a racist and incited violence. Meanwhile, behind her, people were rioting in protest at the election result.
I don’t think she’s quite thought that one through.
Nand surprising though, liberals are always the victims and never the aggressors. One useful idiot I know had the nerve to claim Brexit was causing the division in Britain when quite clearly it was the reaction to it, a division that the left is exacerbating by refusing to accept a legitimate democratic defeat.
The older socialists were waiting all their lives for the working class revolution, and when it finally arrives they support the oppressing elites. No wonder they are all melting away.
Not asked by the BBC
Tim Farron , leader of the LibDims interviewed about wanting a second referendum on the Toady programme .
Why wasn’t he asked about referendums for the Maastricht, Lisbon , Nice Treaties ?
When the LibDims had in their manifestoes to hold a referendum on the EU , why wasn’t he asked if they would hold a second one after the first ( if God forsake us , they did get into power ) ?
What if the government loses the next referendum , is that the final one , are we to be stuck in the EU ?
Are there to be any more referendums on the EU when they have any more treaties or grabbing of more power and sovereignty ?
How many referendums does he want after our June 23 vote ?
( or is it referenda?) .
Bias by omission again .
“our 100 peers in the HoL will bwe voting this way”
Way to go : talk about the establishment tried to over-rule the will of the people.
How many YEARS did it take to get a referendum the first time around ?
*lots *
So sorry this delaying tactic is unacceptable.
The government need to do what Asquith and king George V threatened to do to the Lords in 1910. If they did not pass the bill enough peers would be created to change the majority in the Lords. It would be ironic if a Liberal tactic was used to thwart a present day Liberal initiative.
The Lib Dems are just scrabbling for votes, they are desperate and could lose even more seats at the next election, and they know it.
Bill,
You are right but the lib Dems have been consistent on their love of the EU for decades. Of course being consistently wrong isn’t much use but they see their opposition to the 52 percent as a way ofharvesting votes from some of the 48 . I think it will prove effective , after all some Remainers will go to any lengths to dispute and disrupt the will of the majority, and the Liberal Democrats will gain a few more seats. But how they can still call themselves Democrats when they stand against the outcome of a free and fair referendum is a mystery.
Maybe we should ask Tim Farron?
One of these days Tim Farron’s mum is going to discover he’s not in his bedroom and has been sneaking out and being a liberal MP. I suspect he will then be grounded or get lines.
I must stay in my room and not go out and pretend to be a politician.
I must stay in my room and not go out and pretend to be a politician.
I must stay in my room and not go out and pretend to be a politician.
etc.
If she finds the magazines under his bed he’s in big trouble!
what, politics for dummies?
Or even Islam for Dhimmies?
They’ll be the ones with the dressed up figures , rather than the naked truth.
Note to Mr Farron.
The 2016 referendum was the second on Britain’s membership of the EU. The first, in 1975 produced the wrong result. This year’s corrected that error.
Hope this helps you come to the right decision (but I doubt it will).
Nibor, I am horrified and extremely cross about the proposal by the Lib Dems to vote against Brexit. They’ve only got 8 MPs for goodness sake!!! My choice of party didn’t have a hope in hell in this constituency so I voted Lib Dem, mainly to keep out the dire SNP – it was that close. I now intend to write to my Lib Dem MP and tell him what I think. AND I’ll tell him I will be hard-pushed to save his bacon at the next GE!
What?..Wtf? You only had a choice between the Limp Dumbs or SNP?
FFS I thought I was hard done by..
The same here, Soapbox. Had to vote LibDem against my better judgement to keep the vile SNP out. I have also decided to write to my MSP, who I voted for, to give my opinion. I suspect there are many other voters also in this position.
It was in the Lib Dem manifesto until it came to the crunch, then they voted against a referendum. Then they dropped it from their next manifesto and were wiped out in the election. I remember Nick Clegg claiming that ‘anybody that wants an in/out referendum should vote Lib Dem because we’re the only party offering it’.
Yet another bunch of liars that bask in their supposed ‘virtue’.
I see the BBC are doing a mega suck up to Cliff Richard this week, hoping he won’t sue them.
AlBeeb do not care if they are sued or if they lose in court, it’s our money that will be used to pay the fine and costs. Just like the NHS.
The bloated, ineffective, inefficient, unnecessary, overstaffed, overpaid, overpensioned, left-wing, treasonous, Remoaning public sector. Privatise the lot.
Like Gambacchini and Blackburn, they seem to quickly forgive their abusers and employers for some reason.
Cliff needs to skewer them as The Nation demands.
LeftMob are confused and angry cos their view of the world is from
the 24,7,365 Remoaner DramaGreen Donialist Snowflake, gatekeepeered Guardian universe.
….full of hatespeak against people who dare to challenge LeftMob dogma
Similarly the BBC and the rest of the MSM *curate* the public’s view of the world
..They give a manufactured world view not the real world
So many people are brainwashed by that ..so of course it can be a shock for them to come over here to places like B-BBC where discussion is free.
…. No bullying of intimidating ANY commenters from expressing their views is acceptable surely ?
but on the Guardian I do see “bullying by taking offence” ..”oh you can’t say XYZ it’s offensive”
Here such bullies will feel intimidated by coming across ideas that they have never come across before.
The new season of Sherlock is going to be a hoot and and a half…
I don’t think he is talking about ISIS or the Rotherham rape gangs is he?
Hmmmm “the old enemy simply wears a different face”……..
……..who can he mean?
PAPA LAZAROU!!!!!!!
Arrogant luvvie lefty twat.
Succinct and to the point.
KatieH.
I would guess you’ve been asked this before, but are you Katy Hopkins?
I ask because we already have Paul weston who sometimes contributes to this site.
Even if you are not, I fully agree with your description of Mark Gatiss, although it would apply to virtually every Beeboid.
Classic : Ends in pressups for losers
Classic MSM-behaviour : LBC picks 5 RANDOM Americans in studio to wait for Election result 4 Hillary supporters and ONE stereotype baseball cap wearing Redneck from North Carolina
http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/watch-ferrari-tells-americans-who-won-election/
“Some of us WERE confident less so now” – The Hillary supporters *
“well I don’t know either way it could be close call” – The SMART Redneck
* The reason is that up till just now they’ve just had info from the media, but one of the Hillary supporters has come in from America last week ..so she must have given them more “on the ground” info ..hence falling confidence
BBC News Channel has just told me in connection with the disturbances in Portland that “the police are calling it a riot”. Is that leading the audience to think that it is a “so called riot” and just over reaction by the police? The declaration of riot is more than just loose words by the police, it leads to heavy prison sentences, as the thugs found out in the UK in 2011,
The BBC does like semantics when it suits to change what is into what it could be twisted to mean.
“I did not have a riotous relations with that 2×4…” rings bells.
AlBeeb report on riots in USA, united?
“Mr Giuliani, who has been mentioned as Mr Trump’s possible attorney general, was responding to the suggestion that students suffering anxiety over the election result were being offered therapy.”
Therapy, and people want to lower the voting age!
Pampered, useless, indoctrinated youth.
Let’s have a new movement “Democrat lives matter” then it can be used as a “justification” for the riots.
These are the same type of dope that write as Remoaners in the Guraniad “it isn’t fair”. Football hooliganism.
I think Guy Gibson was 24 when he led the Dambusters raid. Most of the other aircrew were the same age or younger. There were no “safe spaces” over the Ruhr that night.
Snowflakes are just mentally retarded brats. They should be ignored until they grow up. Which is likely to be never.
A man from Texas, who rang Five Live last night (and was disgracefully hounded by Nolan who wanted to know why he had voted for such a man as Trump) told the audience that he thought that America’s best days were behind it.
When you read of things like this growing victim culture, and the incapacity of snowflakes to respond to disappointment as properly functioning human beings, you have to agree.
I somehow doubt that there are too many snowflakes in Russia – apart from the ones that fall from the sky at this time of year!
“Snowflakes are just mentally retarded brats. They should be ignored until they grow up. Which is likely to be never.”
There’s an obituary in today’s Daily Telegraph (calling it DT would be too confusing) of Jean-Raphael Hirsch. He was a courier in the French Resistance when he was 9. By the end of 1943 both his parents were in Auschwitz – not quite accurate as his mother was gassed on arrival, so by the end of 1943 she was already dead.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituaries/2016/11/10/jean-raphal-hirsch-french-resistance-fighter–obituary/
Oi – that’s my usual input!!! 🙂
Gibson was indeed only 24 – his deputy, John Vere (Hoppy) Hopgood was 22…..
Read this: https://dambustersblog.com/2013/04/15/dambuster-of-the-day-no-8-john-hopgood/
Never was an individual more deserving of a VC than Hoppy.
Compare and contrast to the snowflakes.
Excellent point Rob. It makes me bloody mad at the site of all these angry little babies running around crying because they might have to adjust their sad little lives a little.
It really does make me want to puke – Many people from my fathers generation suffered and gave up their lives for what – so people who have no concept of sacrifice and loyalty to ones country,*- take everything as “given” and actively work against democracy.
They deserve nothing but contempt!
Strong post Rob – a thousand up votes
To pursue the RAF connection a little further – this afternoon, as it is 11th November, I tried to remember the wartime RAF poem “For Johnny”, but I could only recall two verses – in fact it only has two verses. I decided to Google the first line “Do not despair” and Google decided I must be looking for a quote from the Koran.
“do not despair in the mercy of allah”
I’m afraid I had a major WTF moment.
For those who don’t remember the poem:
For Johnny
by John Pudney
Do not despair
For Johnny-head-in-air;
He sleeps as sound
As Johnny underground.
Fetch out no shroud
For Johnny-in-the-cloud;
And keep your tears
For him in after years.
Better by far
For Johnny-the-bright-star,
To keep your head,
And see his children fed.
Thanks for posting this, RJ. I Haven’t heard it in many years, and had forgotten some of it. One of very few World War 2 poems I’ve ever heard. The first war inspired far more of them.
OK, on this special weekend, here’s another WWII poem then:
[A ‘Beau’ was a Bristol Beaufighter, much used as a nightfighter but – in this context – also as an anti-shipping attack aircraft. However, they had a reputation for dreadful ditching characteristics]
When a Beau goes in,
Into the drink,
It makes you think,
Because, you see, they always sink
But nobody says “Poor lad”
Or goes about looking sad
Because, you see, it’s war,
It’s the unalterable law.
Although it’s perfectly certain
The pilot’s gone for a Burton
And the observer too
It’s nothing to do with you
And if they both should go
To a land where falls no rain nor hail nor driven snow —
Here, there, or anywhere,
Do you suppose they care?
You shouldn’t cry
Or say a prayer or sigh.
In the cold sea, in the dark
It isn’t a lark
But it isn’t Original Sin —
It’s just a Beau going in.
by Gavin Ewart, 1916-1995
From Carve Her Name With Pride
The life that I have
Is all that I have
And the life that I have
Is yours.
The love that I have
Of the life that I have
Is yours and yours and yours.
A sleep I shall have
A rest I shall have
Yet death will be but a pause.
For the peace of my years
In the long green grass
Will be yours and yours and yours.
I’ve tried all morning not to post this, but the temptation proved to be too strong.
Rest in Peace.
So went Hillary in Manhattan-so will go Merckel in Berlin.
So says Mr Cohen maybe?
And my friend FB`d me to say that KURT COBAIN of all people predicted the end of two tone dumb politics and the party system-and even NAMES Donald Trump as the kind of bloke we`ll then be getting as President.
Lisa Simpson cites him too-Gods gone all cartoony and cultural.
BBC Online News:
“”Nigel Farage offers to help UK ‘get on with Trump””
“”It has been reported that Mr Farage and other senior UKIP figures will meet Mr Trump this weekend after his victory””
“”The UKIP leader, who is due to stand down at the end of the month, met Mr Trump several times during the campaign and has been linked with a job in the Trump administration – potentially even as his envoy to the EU””
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37927270?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_radio_2&ns_source=facebook&ns_linkname=radio_and_music
The BBC’s nightmare just got worse….
Since this board featured the brilliant Brendan O’Neil article from the Spectator, let’s also drive shame and derision to his colleague Rod Liddle who has obliviously proven O’Neil’s assessment correct on the same website.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/11/join-campaign-demand-second-us-election/
Twat.
I think Rod Liddle was being sarcastic starting a petition like that.
Knowing Liddle…im pretty sure hes taking the piss
Maybe you’re right and I probably took it too literally, I apologise to Liddle in that case.
However, the threat still exists as Lady Gaga has been promoting a petition demanding the electoral college votes for Clinton based on the popular vote.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2016/11/10/lady-gaga-petition-electoral-college-vote-clinton/
You can be certain that Rod was mocking the Remoaners. His piece in the magazine was excellent and ripped into globalist big time. Rod underwent a Damascene conversion when he left the BBC and is now a sensible human being.
Ah yes, Lady Gaga, that well known political scientist has spoken.
The fact is that Americans vote on the Electoral College system. I have relatives living in New York and Los Angeles. There was no point voting for Trump in either of those states, Clinton was sure to win the Electoral College votes there. How many Republicans did not bother to vote in safe Democrat states, and vice versa?
If the USA dropped the Electoral College, and went just for the popular vote, then voting patterns would be different, as all votes would count. If that had been the system, Trump might have won by an even bigger margin. We will never know. The only thing we can know for certain is that Lady Gaga is a publicity whore whose views on the electoral system are about as meaningful as the lyrics to her songs.
The clue is in the name.
We never seem to hear from Lord Gaga. Perhaps he’s busy in the House of Lords?
On a day when I seem to be getting more and more wound up with the ‘news’, this made me laugh myself back to happiness.
Thank you.
What they want is a voting system like a referendum , then the liberal/ left progressive BBC et al will be happy .!!!!!
‘Taking the piss’. That’s a much better way of putting it.
Good posts above re Lord and Lady Gaga I must say.
A common complaint against Mr Trump is that he had “no political experience” a dilettante ingenue inclined to put his nation at risk.
Yet somehow Lady Gaga, Madonna and Jay Z are well-qualified to tell the American people-some of who maybe that bit older, more historically aware than they(if only we could dream!)-that they`re just plain wrong.
And being “plain” or beige, drab and a mere civilian in a flyover state rather means you have no point or purpose. And that vote of ours that our predecessors died for( as we remember today)-well, maybe it`s best you no longer have it.
The Left are clearly scorching their earth and setting fire to the oil wells now-absolutely NO pretence of consistency, integrity or even an ability to ARGUE anymore.
Years of no opponents you see. When Reagan was followed by Thatcher out the door, leaving us with Major and Clinton in 1992, this new phase we`re in took root.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/transition-begins-with-trump-keeping-journalists-in-the-dark/
Ahahaha….i wonder why
They can expect much more of the same
One can only hope that BBC correspondents will be declared persona non grata at the White House.
It says world leaders are reporting on contacts but nothing from the Trump side.
Anyone seen Angela’s announcement from the “call”, or Mr Juncker’s, or Mr Schultz’s? Perhaps they are so far down the list he has not got round to them yet!
‘One can only hope that BBC correspondents will be declared persona non grata at the White House.’
Or a bunch of bad-ass lying Commies
Bad hombres, to quote a certain person.
anyone tweet Nigel Farage and drop the hint to him to contact his mate Donald about giving the useless uk media the big KO?
that would be the icing on the cake
Ta Number 6.
EXACTLY what the lying Press Pack deserve.
As for their arrogance in thinking that they`re entitled to trash him AND get paid to do so-the Press now need to know they`ve gone way too far in how nasty and biased they`ve been.
Trump has made a great start-hope he maintains this.
This is more nauseating than anything else. You may remember the gay fusiliers was highly recommended reading – for those Cameroon supporters and Elton pons was the prize ‘example’ (quoted in parliament as the supreme example of a happy family – couple who ‘adopted’ children (they didn’t it was clearly child surrogacy – they ‘bought’ them!). So thats all right then, sort-of ‘adoption’ and then Cameroon insisted on ‘gay marriage’ proposals and now that is the ONLY offering available to UK’s Social Services who will NOT accept ‘natural parenting’ for foster parents in adopting a UK child. (IT may of course be different for Syrian refugees aged 30+ pretending to be children). You have to declare a love for Elton and claim ‘gay marriage’ is somehow superior for your children than the biological parents or (would be) foster parents. To be banned from ‘parenting’ you only have to admit to be a Christian in the new UK political correctness, still being manoeuvred into place by the policy makers to ‘safeguard children’…. (this was reported in THE TIMES 8/11/16)
‘A husband and wife have been prevented from trying to adopt their two young foster children after the couple said a child needed a “mummy and daddy” rather than gay parents.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/couple-barred-from-adoption-in-gay-row-rfwdbd6t2
And then my attention was drawn to another article about the sanity of the liberal marxist lefties that inhabit much of UK (and US) Social Services (and also moving into Education in Schools via Ofsted school inspections). You must comply or your school will be closed! This is the new education for children to ‘embrace’ the new norm. (AS daily provided by the BBC outlets on TV and Radio).
Well two articles that dispute that there is any ‘PROOF’ that homosexuals (of either gender) make better parents than traditional biological parenting. In fact the difference is stark raving lunacy of the loony left that was (and still is) in much of UK public policy towards children despite the fact that the sexual abuses in (State run) Children’s Homes and (State run) Corporations – (such as the BBC) lead to significantly higher risk of sexual abuses who don’t have to declare anything at all other than ‘….a strong interest in children’.
It makes you wonder if the whole thing has been socially engineered (ignoring all protest) that gayness is wonderful to behold and experience for children. That is the new creed.
(1) Meanwhile back in the real world : murders amongst these ‘chose’ lesbians couples involved in ‘domestic violence’ (has risen over 56% over five years). ‘… The Times. Ann Maguire was … The number of call-outs to incidents of domestic violence between lesbian couples has doubled in five years.’ (from the Times printed edition the article awes at length) but has truncated online here:
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/teacher-murder-could-not-have-been-predicted-h9cwxqmcn
(2) In the US. The entire debate is still in question (not so in UK). ’Major New Study on Homosexuality and Transgenderism Surveys the Research that Should Dictate Public Policies A major new report reveals that many tenants of the LEFT are wrong and harm children identity and well-bring.
MAIN POINTS:
• The understanding of sexual orientation as an innate, biologically fixed property of human beings — the idea that people are “born that way” — is not supported by scientific evidence.
• Compared to heterosexuals, non-heterosexuals are about two to three times as likely to have experienced childhood sexual abuse.
• Compared to the general population, non-heterosexual subpopulations are at an elevated risk for a variety of adverse health and mental health outcomes.
• Members of the non-heterosexual population are estimated to have about 1.5 times higher risk of experiencing anxiety disorders than members of the heterosexual population, as well as roughly double the risk of depression, 1.5 times the risk of substance abuse, and nearly 2.5 times the risk of suicide.
• The hypothesis that gender identity is an innate, fixed property of human beings that is independent of biological sex — that a person might be “a man trapped in a woman’s body” or “a woman trapped in a man’s body” — is not supported by scientific evidence.
My point is: That everything the BBC say is wrong and for our UK Social Services (in each council in the UK following this policy) is also alarmingly wrong. Cameron was unduly influenced by his policy Advisors (many of which have also been arrested for ‘an interest in children’ along with many (former) discredited MP’s and BBC presenters such as ‘Savile’ would all have been ‘approved’ by Social Services – in this new policy, as they (always are) in the BBC upper echelons of what public services should provide (imposed).
This is a damning report (excerpts above) against what the UK has adopted as public policy and the adoption of ‘new norms’ that question sexuality for children (and parenting). Dr. McHugh, a professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, served as the psychiatrist-in-chief at the Johns Hopkins Hospital for twenty-five years and specialized in treating the mental disorder now labeled “Gender Dysphoria.”
Download (PDF)report: here. Of course the BBC endorse Social Service for their brave efforts in ‘safeguarding children’ when it does directly the opposite. This will effect us all and we cannot question it (as its part of EU legislation).
This inversion of reality is becoming the new normal but, since lead balloons can’t defy gravity, they must come crashing back down to earth some time. The problem has many aspects:
# There are Alinskyite Leftist troublemakers who simply want to destroy the family and our society, and so espouse homosexuality and transgenderism (or anything else) to that end.
# There are also academic types who rejoice in counter-intuitive aspects of life; the sort of people who enjoy feeling superior by telling you there might be water on the sun, precisely because it goes against common sense that water could exist where the coolest temperature, even at the surface, is still 5,600 degrees.
# Then there are the minorities, who want a bigger slice of the cake and will put forward arguments out of pure self-interest: if two gay women want a baby, one of them can get pregnant and then say that ‘their’ son is in the same position as a boy who lost his father in WW1 and was brought up by the mother and, say, an unmarried sister; if two gay men want a baby, then it helps them to argue that gay ‘parents’ who adopt are as good OR BETTER than heterosexual ones and that there is no such thing as ‘normal’ anyway.
The result is, as I said, an inversion of reality. The fact that some children are successfully brought up in (accidentally- or deliberately-created) single-parent families, with help from relatives or the State, doesn’t mean that society should seek to normalize that arrangement and discriminate against married couples, e.g. regarding adoption. The fact that a few children feel unease about their gender cannot justify undermining the very notion of gender among the majority who don’t; gender IS NOT socially constructed for the most part.
The promotion of sexual and other minorities has the effect of closing down discussion because of their new privileges and willingness to emotionalize and personalize, i.e. making it all about them. So, if Elton John and David Furnish want a child, the issue becomes their freedom to choose, rather than the desirability of a child having no regular mother by design. If a gay presenter such as Clare Balding says that the 2012 Para-Olympics will be as good as – or even better than – the main games, which is clearly absurd, her privilege as a high-profile gay woman on the BBC again prevents rejection of the idea.
The BBC’s obsession with and promotion of minorities, with all the intellectual no-go areas that this has created, does great harm to British society and must be challenged.
Another very good analysis Mustapha. Indeed, the quality of posts is really good these days.
A Donald Dividend to match the Brexit Bounce of a few months ago.
The more stupid our enemies( and their golf umbrella that is the BBC)the more people here the more varied, the smarter we all seem to get.
That tide of tears seems to raise all our ships, pedalos and little platoons.
Girls night out tonight, reckon most of them will have phones to see what`s going on here-and I`m sure there`ll be a few more tables needed at the bar here soon!
My MP (Edinburgh South) sought comments regarding the article 50 vote. Here is mine.
Most of the time I find it very difficult to write to MPs or newspapers. Since you have asked for comments, though, don’t blame me if you don’t like what I say.
To begin and put it very simply, the European Union is a discredited, corrupt and anti democratic organisation. That is the the fundamental reason why I voted to LEAVE it. The EU is beyond any reform which would be acceptable to free thinking people. There is no possible “deal” with such an organisation which would make me change my mind. I voted to leave and that means nothing less than a clean break.
The EU is run by arrogant, unelected leaders who consistently display a pompous and smug disrespect for the populations of the constituent countries. The “elected” parliament has no chance of being anything other than a far left puppet of the unelected leaders.
There is much more wrong with the EU though. Along with their contempt for democracy, displayed in the re-runs of many referenda, attacks on free speech have been spreading from one country to another. Democracy can not exist without free speech. Often the reason for curtailment of free speech is that it might offend someone. I believe it is right not to offend people out of respect. But respect has to be earned. It is wrong to be unable to express oneself out of fear.
The police in Germany, Sweden and other EU countries have been withholding information regarding large increases in crime which have resulted because the German Chancellor initiated a crazy policy without any reference to the German people. That same German Chancellor expects the other EU countries to take their “fair share” of the problem the said German Chancellor created.
I am concerned about the futures of my 3 sons and 3 grand-daughters. I want them to grow up and live their lives in a free, safe and prosperous country and I do not believe that is anything like a description of the EU.
The mainstream media, led by the so-called BBC, have played a huge part over the years in fooling the public on EU matters (and everything else). During the referendum campaign they repeatedly said that the public needed more information on coming to a decision, yet that same organisation systematically and deliberately failed to provide it. The information was available to all on the internet but the “unbiased” BBC ignored it preferring to campaign for a remain vote by hiding the truth and lying about the so-called benefits of the EU. The BBC in its perpetual denial continues with its relentless bias in the hope that the referendum result will be overturned.
Democracy in this country is under real threat. It is the duty of MPs to reflect the will of the people. There is no need for a vote on article 50. Interfering judges with EU biased connections command no respect and deserve to be insulted.
In the end, negotiating anything with the EU is quite possibly a complete waste of time because I believe it is doomed. I think that the election of a new President of the USA who has a real sense of the fears of the people will help towards this by encouraging voters in the member countries to take back control of their lives.
As far as this particular constituency is concerned I am in the minority, but the nation as a whole voted to LEAVE the EU and the sooner it happens the better.
Thanks for your attention
Ah, you’re in the same constituency as I am. You’re right. He won’t like it. But then again, Brexiteers are virtually unrepresented in Scottish politics, which makes it a miracle that as many as 38% voted Leave.
I’m Edinburgh South too and voted Labour tactically last election. Murray seems decent enough, but I’ve already told him I can’t vote Labour again as long as it’s lead by IRA supporters.
Incidentally have you noticed that unlike the Independence referendum there are absolutely no pro EU stickers or signs to be seen anywhere?
The anti Trump propaganda on the BBC is relentless, tonight a Newsnight ‘special’ ‘Trumps America’. More fear mongering for the hard of thinking dressed up as facts.
Alternatively on BBC1 you can watch Citizen Khan followed by Have I Got Views For You, or on BBC4 ‘Roots, Reggae, Rebellion’
Some choice eh?
Geoff, you were obviously typing your post as I was typing mine – see below.
Coincidence or magic? You decide…
Several have posted on here in the past about when they turn on Radio 4 there is inavriably some BBC leftist agenda being pushed.
I am usually awake early, so occasionally I’ll put Radio 4 on whilst Farming Today is being broadcast.
Yesterday it was about 5.50 when I hit the ‘on’ button. Under discussion was Donald Trump and the likelihood his policies would be detrimental to the environment.
This morning it was around 5.40 and someone with a foreign accent (sounded Spanish) was explaining how we should eat less meat to reduce our ‘carbon’ emissions (yes, that old chestnut – relentless, isn’t it?).
I reckon whatever time of day you turn to Radio 4 there’s a 90%-plus chance you’ll hear them pushing a leftist agenda of some kind or other, from ‘isn’t Islam wonderful’ through racism to transgenderism, regardless of the type of programme being broadcast.
In a stupendously delicious piece of irony Sky news are reporting that false news stories on facebook swung the election for Trump. I really don’t know how they can keep a straight face.
Would that be the BBC Facebook page Sky is referring to?
The BBC ,in common with the other main channels , continue to seek to denigrate Leavers and Trump voters and pour their sneering scorn and bile on them. The BBC is showing extreme bias in the way it is handling the aftermath of Brexit and the US election. Commercial broadcasters can be as biased as they like but a state funded one ,with a charter demanding impartiality , cannot. Surely the 52 percent are becoming sick to death of the way the BBC , which they have to pay for or risk imprisoment, portrays them as stupid , racist bigots. The BBC must be so arrogant that it simply does not see the danger of its relentless attacks upon 52 percent of its License Fee payers. Somehow or other those of us who see the BBC as a major threat to our country and our way of life , must exploit this opportunity and make sure that the Leavers fully appreciate the contempt in which the BBC holds them and start to question why they are forced to pay for the corporation. If this point is made forcefully enough , by enough people, even the timid Tories might feel emboldened to scrap the hated corporation.
The BBC as an instrument of discord sowing is beyond doubt. Eliot Carver would blush at their antics.
And there will be consequences.
I do not envy a Secret service agent, Trump family member or staffer already inbetween a loon and their 15 minutes of fame being lauded by peers and a complicit media.
I don’t, but those funding it, however uniquely, might ask themselves what they are associated with.
I still do so long as the word British is in the brand and they are allowed to claim they speak for the nation when they really do not.
I wonder if the BBC’s US election coverage has caused a spike in sales of the “Is it true? Or did you hear it on the BBC” badges and stickers?
Mine is proudly in the back window of the car, facing outwards of course!
BBC Radio-1 News-Botch …caught red-handed
They prove they know ‘MORE’ about Climate Science that Dumb “denier” Trump
Did you spot it ?
I made before/after Screenshots of the BBC “New Ozone Science” piece from Radio-1 News-Botch
#1 They made up a page to show the BBC knows more about Climate Science than that Dumb Denier Trump.
#2 I imagine they cut and pasted from some green group or other
So they pasted this bit
That is complete bunk mixes up Greenhouse gas theory and Ozone gas
#3 After 7 hours they have realised the mistake, and stealth corrected the page.
(The could have left it in and probably claimed a Nobel Prize)
#4 Material stealth-edits are unethical. You should not change a material part of a news-story without acknowledging it at the top ..This is probably a Charter breach.
BBC -Eco journos like RH and MM have done such unacknowledged stealth edits before.
#5 However the way BBC eco-propaganda works ..Is that an NGO feeds a story into the BBC and then that BBC page is immediately copied by eco NGOs to their websites but this time with the BBC stamp of approval on it.
So even when the BBC later corrects a story 100 false versions stay on the web.
So although I was unable to archive the BBC page before it changed, I was able to archive some copies.
I then recovered the BBC original from Google’s cache ..shown on LHS of image
#6 It is part of #BbcProjectSmearTrump. Note the derogatory language “denier. That is defamatory cos the accused is not denying a PROVEN fact.
That is not the page also has other issues..like making unproven assertions
“dead puffins being washed ashore in the Pacific Ocean’s Bering Sea DUE to rising sea temperatures”
Fact..The Puffins are dead
Why ? We don’t know
Top of the page proves BBC Radio-1 News-Botch is doing a BbcProjectSmear operation against Trump
Do you still rely on Mainstream media ?
The BBC are also promoting this ‘meme’ for the ‘yute’.
New Balance trainer wearers bin and burn their shoes over Trump
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/37948946/new-balance-trainer-wearers-bin-and-burn-their-shoes-over-trump
I guess they’re hoping that youngsters will boycott the trainers and teach the company a lesson. Personally, I think it is a revolting article. It mentions that this company makes trainers in the USA and the UK, so the BBC is potentially placing semi-skilled manufacturing jobs at risk – simply because the CEO said he supported the idea of renegotiating trade deals (that presumably have led to all other brands being made in the Far East).
I can also see this escalating into bullying. My father would never have bought me a new pair of trainers due to political issues. I’d have been sent to school, and potentially the slaughter, wearing ‘Trump Trainers’. I’m sure there are lots of children that will be targetted for this.
I seem to remember that UV radiation breaks up CFCs by free radical mechanisms and the Chlorine can form transiently stable complexes with Ozone (big Chlorine atoms have lower charge density so have some stability). Ultimately Ozone is turned into Oxygen and the Ozone is thus depleted. Unarguable science in my opinion. Then again , I was slightly involved in the field in the early 1980s.
Whereas, there is ABSOLUTELY no equivalent mechanism for Methane. It’s too small a molecule for one thing, and does not come anywhere near Chlorine’s electronegativity to facilitate electron charge stability.
But, hey! What do I know, as compared with those superior knowledgeable beings among the science journalists in the bBBC newsroom.
Sounds like you read English Literature at university. Were you on the same course as Roger Harrabin?
It’s Propaganda not news . ..anothor example.
So the port also has A NEW definition of “climate change denier”.
It would appear that you can accept that climate can change and has changed, but if you doubt that it is now caused by humans, you are a “climate change denier”, because, it would appear, while it has been happening for over 4 billion years, this time humans are its cause, and all because “experts say” it is so.
Due to the size of my university course (science) we had to share a ‘unit’ with the environmental science students. Nice people, from what I remember, but it certainly wasn’t science. It was more of a glorified history of the Manchester Ship Canal::
‘It’s had the sewers of Manchester overflowing into it every time it rains and the sediment is highly contaminated. They pump air down to the bottom and the oxygen purifies the mud and water’.
I’m not joking, that was the level of teaching – they really struggled with our syllabus (chemistry modules).
Some post-election thoughts on the BBC’s coverage. And my main thought is that the BBC needs to increase the licence fee.
It costs something like $30-5 in petrol to drive across Pennsylvania, say from Pittsburgh to Philadelphia. And if you do that, you’ll notice that the larger part of the state is struggling economically and socially. Parts of the interior of the Commonwealth suffer from abject rural poverty. (And not just PA. I briefly worked with someone who’d been brought up in rural Virginia in the 1990s, in a trailer with no running water.) Pennsylvania is thus the US of ‘the lower 48’ in microcosm: wealthy on its western and eastern fringes; and deprived in an absolute sense in the middle.
Which is why the BBC needs to increase the licence fee. From that source, the nation’s most trusted broadcaster, whose aspirations for its rolling news channel are boundlessly global, receives about £3.7bn a year in income. At the post-Brexit rate of exchange, the $30-5 cost of gas converts into £24-8 of petrol. Were the BBC not so strapped for cash, they might have been able to afford to make such a roadtrip, to see for themselves what life is like when the local economy’s been hollowed out to leave only sex shops, a liquor store and a minimart in your town centre; when you have to take on two or three low-paid jobs to make ends meet; and when voting for any establishment insider is unthinkable.
Yes, I did see a couple of news items before the election in which BBC reporters ventured into the boondocks to gawp at locals who used to have jobs in steel or mining. But did those reporters make the connection between socio-economic disenfranchisement and its likely political consequences (as John Harris at the equally cash-strapped Guardian has managed to do over the last couple of years)? Were those consequences emphasised by the BBC? Or was HRC going to be the nonetheless inevitable, history-making winner of the election in the BBC’s eyes?
Nope. Nope. Oh, but of course.
Unfortunately in BBC land the big story is gender not economics.
That way your reporters can be all angry and virtue signalling and you don`t have the difficulty of explaining how the transfer of manufacturing out of the US was a deliberately chosen policy, that only someone who believes in the US national interest above globalisation will even consider reversing.
Well done Donald Trump …at last someone who has the backbone to call “climate change” for what it is.. a big hoax a malicious deception.
Lets hope that others will follow and that the whole thing collapses like a house of cards!!
From the BBC…http://tinyurl.com/h5bso24
In May, Donald Trump promised to cancel all US donations to UN programmes fighting global warming.He pledged to withdraw from the Paris Agreement, which leading nations signed in April, to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
Donald Trump doesn’t believe global warming is a real threat to the USA.
That is the page the BBC admit making a fundamental error in
I say “admit”, cos they admitted it by making a stealth correction t 7 hours after publication.
See my post above
MUSLIMS ATTACK CHRISTIANS IN AMERICA OVER SHARIA LAW AND CHRISTIANS WIN LAWSUIT!
Just days ago a Detroit judge awarded over $100,000 in attorney’s fees in the case of a Christian, George Saieg, who was assaulted by Muslims, and then falsely accused and arrested by Dearborn police officers at the Arab Festival. Now a federal judge in Michigan has decided to allow another civil-rights claim against the city of Dearborn by four other Christians, who were also assaulted and arrested at the Arab festival, to move forward. The four were arrested by Dearborn police officers while speaking about their Christian faith to Muslims. The Christians spent the night in jail and were accused of “breaching the peace.” However, all four won acquittals from a jury in a criminal trial.
After the trial, a 96-page civil rights lawsuit was filed against the city, Mayor John B. O’Reilly, Muslim Chief of Police Ronald Haddad, 17 police officers and two executives from the American Arab Chamber of Commerce. The plaintiffs are Acts 17 Apologetics, Nabeel Qureshi, David Wood, Paul Rezkalla and Josh Hogg all Christians who are featured in this video.
The judge’s ruling is a huge victory for ALL Christians, and it allows the civil rights claims for the most egregious constitutional violations to proceed against the city and its corrupt officials. We are committed to ensuring that our Constitution and not Shariah law, which makes it a crime to preach the Gospel to Muslims, is the supreme law in this country.
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Guess the US constitution protects the rights of Christians more effectively than the Human Rights Act does in the UK.
Guess the US constitution protects the rights of Christians more effectively than the Human Rights Act does in the UK.
Charlotte Church trying to join in with the luvvies!
Bit short on fact Chalotte!
STOP GIVING THAT HATEFUL FUCKING CHURCH CREATURE AIR TIME!!!! SHE HAS NEVER HAD A PUBLIC ROLE (MAYBE A PUBIC ONE) And yes – the media does needs to be more responsible but NOT in the way she means.
So far up herself probably hasn’t seen daylight for years.
My heart went out to the protesting Portland,Oregon girl, whose pals were busy smashing and burning their town. “We have exhausted all other options (to get our own way and clearly Democracy holds no solution) we have no alternative!”
Shockingly the BBC World Service Radio bloke said, “But you’ve just had an election!”
To which she replied, “But Trump is a racist and bigot.”
Some people you just cannot help and for which, before ‘care in the community’ there were institutions.
Strange how the BBC view on demonstrations varies according to who is marching. If it’s Britain First peacefuly walking down the street their mere presence is an affront to all decent people, e,g, http://john-moloney.blogspot.com/2016/11/christian-patrol-to-indian-country.html But if it’s spoiled lefties who riot to protest against democracy they can do no wrong: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNqq7oy3RmQ
Wonder why that is? Could it be rampant bias?
Sketch suggestion for Newsjack.
NS Hello Mr President, it’s Nichola Sturgeon here from Scotland.
DJT (to aide) Can you get me a picture of this woman, she might be tasty and has a cute accent.
Thank you – Hmm. Now Nichola, what can I do for you.
NS Are you looking for business Mr President? If so, I’m your woman.
DJT Say you aren’t another Monica Lewinski are you. The last time a President was asked that he got impeached!
Anyone think it would be selected for broadcast?
Tonight: Trump’s America: A Newsnight Special – Friday 8pm BBC2
Doubtless, Newsnight will once again demonstrate their impeccable credentials as impartial, objective journalists.
Do I dare watch this?
I watched Question Time last night, I’ve done my bit.
Anyway after all this talk of Social Media, reinforced bigotry, news bubbles etc. I decided to do a bit of research and found the following information which I have collated to help us thicko, uneducated old people understand.
So from this we can see that the majority of the rioters in America are college educated, use FaceBook and Twitter, live in a news bubble and couldn’t be arsed to vote.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/187041/us-user-age-distribution-on-facebook/
http://www.pewinternet.org/2015/08/19/the-demographics-of-social-media-users/
Like all other contributors on here, I was delighted with The Donald victory, yet not surprised at the venom and hate aimed at the man from our main stream media and especially the BBC. It was earlier this year when I joined this forum and the last few days have indicated why I, others before me and more to come will.
As we all know too well it’s not only this year that the BBC has shown its true colours and that’s why there should be an independent investigation of that organisation. It appears to go from bad to worse and to highlight this I discovered:
Stop_BBC_Bias_Campaign.rtf
This is a report from March 2004 and written by Jerry Araith and Tony Bennett for the Stop BBC Bias Campaign. If you find time it’s well worth a read. Some of the contents are:
2.3.3.3 Neil Kinnock
a) The BBC appears to actively support Neil Kinnock, the unelected, unaccountable, and unsackable EU Commissioner responsible for stamping out fraud in the EU.
b) Marta Andreasen was appointed as a qualified accountant to review the EU’s systems to try and eliminate fraud.
c) Yet when Marta Andreasen pointed out problems in the EU’s accounting systems, her only reward was to be vilified by the EU establishment and to be suspended from her post.
d) Neil Kinnock allegedly commented “her crime was to go public on the problems she discovered”, problems which Neil Kinnock was supposed to have eliminated.
e) There was no mention of this maltreatment of Marta Andreasen at all in the main BBC TV news broadcasts at that time. Although it was mentioned on the “Today” programme there was no detailed analysis of the circumstances surrounding this episode. It would have clearly have been in the public’s interest to be informed about Marta Andreasen’s conclusions.
f) The BBC also used Neil Kinnock to produce an obvious plug for the EU with the promotion for the rugby cup programmes in the autumn of 2003. Neither his, nor the EU’s connection with rugby warranted this exposure. It must have been inserted solely as a promotion for the EU.
g) The wording used by Neil Kinnock was;
“European Union – joining like minded people – a harmonious spirit of togetherness – embracing cultural differences – holding up the hand of friendship – in perfect union.”
h) This message appeared as an advertisement for the EU many times over the course of several weeks.
i) A full Public Inquiry would be the only way of establishing where the idea was generated for this particular promotion and who paid for it, the licence payer or the EU?
2.3.3.10 Concorde Report; Oct 24th 2003
a) The BBC programme on the last flight of the Concorde was presented by Jon Sopel. During the interview with Raymond Baxter and the Concorde pilot, the pilot said that the main reason that Concorde flights were being stopped was that Air France Concorde operations were at a commercial disadvantage to BA Concorde operations. This was partly because London was closer to New York than Paris. He then said that Air France had put pressure on Airbus and the authorities to withdraw support for the Concorde thereby effectively grounding the aeroplane.
b) Knowing that Concorde had just completed an expensive modification programme, that it had an operating life of at least another 10 years, and that in BA operations its load factors were in the profitable range, this claim should have been discussed on the programme and the facts established.
c) Given also the huge public love and affection for this wonderful example of British, (and French) engineering, the BBC surely had a duty to ensure the public were given the facts. Instead, the BBC’s presenter, Jon Sopel, could not change the subject quickly enough.
2.3.3.15 Pension Shortfall
a) With regard to pensions in general, there has not been a proper review of the possible cost to the UK taxpayer of the shortfall in funding for pensions throughout the EU. For example, it has been reported that Germany’s pension liability is 139% of GDP, France’s is 98% of GDP and Italy’s 113% of GDP. If this debt were spread across the EU it would cost the British people £1.2 thousand billion, or £25,000 per head. EU enlargement is bound to make the overall situation much worse.
b) This highly important issue has never been properly investigated and reported by the BBC so far as we are aware.
2.3.3.16 Britain’s Budget Rebate Justified
a) The Financial Times reported on 7th Nov 2003 that Britain’s EU budget “rebate” negotiated by Mrs Thatcher was “justified” according to French government sources. This was in marked contrast to President Chirac and Chancellor Schroeder’s demands for its removal, due to EU enlargement and the additional pressures this would create on the EU budget. If the rebate were to be lost this could cost Britain at least another £3 billion per annum.
b) This news report and the background surrounding it were not broadcast by the BBC. Presumably, this was because the BBC did not want to make the public aware of the vast sums of British taxpayer’s money already being lost to the EU. This would have been even worse without the rebate, which over 15 years, has saved Britain over £30 billion cash, worth over £90 billion at today’s values.
c) The fact that Mrs Thatcher was the Conservative Prime Minister who virtually single-handedly saved Britain the equivalent of over £90 billion was probably another reason the BBC did not want to draw attention to this considerable saving for the British taxpayer.
12.3.4 Greg Dyke’s Management “Training”
12.3.4.1 The management programmes run by Greg Dyke are difficult to justify as “value for money”, particularly as the participants appear to stay in very expensive hotels. As such is it an “object” of the Corporation to use the most expensive hotels and overseas training facilities?
12.3.4.2 The Sunday Times, 10th March 2002, reported on a six day training trip to Dallas and San Francisco. Greg Dyke plus 14 senior managers ran up a bill of £250,000, equivalent to 2,200 licence fees.
12.3.4.3 Apparently they stayed in the “Mansion” in Turtle Creek hotel in Dallas, where rooms cost up to £1750/night. They then moved to “W” Hotel in San Francisco where rooms cost between £210 and £412 a night.
12.3.4.4 The BBC defended the trip insisting it cost a fraction of the £30 million training budget. The BBC also refused to confirm the total cost of the trip. However, a similar trip the year previously by Alan Yentob, Director of Drama and Entertainment, and Jane Root, Controller of BBC2, cost £15,950 per person.
12.3.4.5 The previous year the corporation was attacked for sending dozens of managers on workshops at a luxury hotel to improve their “emotional intelligence”.
12.3.4.6 Fergus Kelly, in his article in the Daily Express, 14th Jan 2004, quoted the case of the management trip to San Francisco in 2003. Jane Lush, BBC’s head of entertainment and 16 senior executives were sent to the 5 star Sheraton Hotel. The cost of £130,000 included being chauffeured around in limousines.
12.3.4.7 Fergus Kelly also quoted another huge waste of public money; the £250,000 “team-building” conference which included senior staff wearing silly hats and playing hoop-la. Around 400 managers travelled from across the country to the event in London at which they were invited to kick footballs around and listen to pep talks from Greg Dyke on his “Making it Happen” initiative.
These are just a small amount of various topics that are covered as each one outlines the mis-management and bias of the BBC. For some of us of a certain vintage, we may remember some events we’d perhaps forgotten about, as there’s been so many!!
Just to repeat to the likes of Philip_2 above , and yourself Mt Homburg!
Great analyses, detailed writing much valued-and makes up for all the BBC phone-in flat pack crap we get papped down our gullets like fat geese in the Guardian etc.
One day ALL journalism might be like this again. Until then I`ll have to forego the paywalled stuff elsewhere and learn it all from here.
Thanks guys!
TS (on the phone) – Is that AlBeeb?
AlBeeb – Yes this is AlBeeb the Islamic Broadcasting Company.
TS – Have you seen this report on RT?
“Every person entering the United Kingdom should be forced to undergo “fool-proof” fingerprinting and iris scans, the country’s newly appointed counter-terrorism chief says, claiming the move will prevent terrorists from entering Britain.”
I ask because you are currently not reporting it.
AlBeeb – I will look into the matter, we may have a report thereafter.
TS – Well if you do report on the subject you will need to use the photo RT uses.
AlBeeb – Why will we need to use a RT photograph?
TS – Because you do not have any pictures which show the source of the problem, so use the RT photo, showing a black hand on the fingerprint machine.
On a very serious note, and one the BBC is beginning to pay some attention to.
It looks very much like the Italian PM Matteo Renzi will lose his referendum on the constitutional reforms, and will be forced to resign.
Just 7 short years ago anti EU & establishment party 5 Star was formed and has risen to become Italys second biggest party – looks like it will form the next government.
If the media and politicians react the way they did over Brexit and the US election they are going to make that election a certainty.
CNBC are not at all happy:
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/11/italian-referendum-a-bigger-risk-than-donald-trump-analysts-warn.html
While the Telegraph is a little more measured:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/10/italys-prime-minister-could-be-next-victim-of-populist-backlash/
Beppe Grillo, the founder of the Five Star Movement, compared Mr Trump’s victory to an anti-establishment protest that he organised in Italy in 2007 which he dubbed “V-Day” – with the V standing for “vaffanculo”, Italian for “f*** off”.
“It’s crazy. This is the explosion of an era. It’s the apocalypse of the media, TV, the big newspapers, the intellectuals, the journalists,” the bearded former comedian wrote on his blog.
“This is a wide-ranging F*** off. Trump has pulled off an incredible V-Day”.
He said that “journalists and intellectuals” were “anchored in a world that no longer exists. We’ve seen the same thing with our Movement.”
“There are similarities between this American story and the Movement,” he added.
Sentiments which many readers here would agree with.
However
The fall out from an imploding EU would not be pleasant the interim period would test all of us, and we do need to keep a close eye on what happens in Italy and how it might affect us all.
The BBC has failed to give adequate coverage to this current event, probably because it finds the possible conclusions too unpleasant for the hive mind to countenance.
Attempt to stop Trump becoming President.
http://nypost.com/2016/11/09/the-one-scenario-that-could-still-get-hillary-into-the-white-house/
I first saw this mooted in the Independent There is a petition to the electoral college to vote for Clinton when they meet on Dec.19th.
Theoretically it is possible, as some are designated as faithless electors who can change their minds, especially if it is deemed that the President elect is a bad guy unfit for office. This petition has a couple of million signatures and with media backing it will grow.
Whilst I cannot believe it will be successful we have to remember that Trump is not loved by any political movement in the US, sustained rioting is probably designed to convey the impression that the wrong decision was made, that Trump is – the usual sexist, racist, Islamophobic – and unfit for office, and that Clinton won the popular vote. I wonder how the BBC will handle this..
Unlikely? Yes. But it was unlikely that three judges would overturn Brexit and probably unlikely that the Supreme Court will effectively kill it off.
The enemy is very desperate and powerful
I cannot believe the electoral college would vote for Clinton, even though legally they have that option. Clinton has conceded to Trump, who will have a great deal of his government in place quite soon, and those things won’t be unpicked. In any case, I understand the House (Republican majority) has to endorse the decision of the electoral college, and therefore a vote for Clinton won’t be endorsed!
Further to Thoughtful’s comment it seems that the “Canadian trade deal” is not done and dusted.
The Dutch “nees” are collecting the necessary signatures to have a referendum on it, like they did on Ukraine!
Another hit job on the President elect on Radio 4 6 o’clock news right now. They just bullheaded went straight into it.
Yes, listening to it now. How can Trump’s business interests possibly not conflict with his presidency? How can all those legal cases he’s involved in possibly not conflict with his presidency? Sob. How can he be President? Sob. How can we make it stop?
Basically the BBC can’t help themselves now, they don’t know any other way. It’s groupthink writ large.
The BBC lecture us about diversity, but diversity of thinking no way.
Yes heard that too. Asking all the questions they never asked about Hilary!
6pm news tonight. We witness various 2 minutes silences from around the UK. Very well done. Flip to the USA and within seconds we have a Trump kicking. Absolutely shameless that the BBC can turn a piece like that. And the mugs are……us coz we have to pay a fu##ing licence for it.
I attended the 11 am service at the war memorial in my village today (outer home counties). It was very quiet and dignified, the motor traffic stopped of its own accord. A few elderly veterans of WW2 vintage, a few younger ones presumably of national service era, and two service personnel in their 20s. A bit of joking and banter beforehand, then it was ‘parade, ‘shun’, bugle, prayers from the vicar. All utterly dignified and in good order, making me proud to be British and in stark contrast to the wailing and gnashing of teeth by the snowflakes who are upset because there people in the world who have the freedom to vote for someone they don’t like!
Solid post Cranmer.
“Your grandfather fought to defeat the Nazis so that you could grow up to be called a Nazi for believing everything your grandfather believed.” Anon.
i think the msm in general really have shot themselves in the foot this time
more and more people are coming out of the woodwork to openly condemn them on the internet….their eyes have finally been opened.
and as we know,once your eyes are open and you realise whats going on,you never go back
I found this interesting:
http://thefederalist.com/2016/11/11/how-jon-stewart-and-the-daily-show-elected-donald-trump/
Ever listened to any of the BBC’s ever-so-liberal ‘journalists’ as they plied their wares and words across America, in the months, weeks and finally days before the election? Ever listened, as I did, to the thinly-veiled questioning of voters across that huge land? Every question, every statement asked the same unspoken question: ‘How come you are even contemplating voting for this moronic dullard; this billionaire fool; this racist, misogynistic clown who defies the normal courteous norm of politicians by stating, bluntly, that ‘this’ is what he believes in; that ‘these’ are his policies; and that he will not, ever, S.T.F.U., and stop hogging the limelight and the headlines?
The Today reporter, just this morning just this morning echoed those insulting comments (05.48) in his quest to allegedly find why people had voted for Trump. He spoke to a Republican voting guy, saying, ‘you are an immigrant; you are a rich man; you are part of the Republican Establishment: you are someone who should be stating that this vote is a tragedy!’ And the worst part is that this American did not throw this upstart liberal commentator off his property; or at least bring out his legally-licensed shotgun and threaten him with instant defenestration if he insulted his President-elect for one more second.
But the real problem is that these so-called ‘journalists’ believe in what they peddle! They honestly believe that anyone with the slightest interest in Right-wing ideas or policies is a clone of Hitler, and as such should be placed firmly in the slammer, because they do not accept the Will of the Liberal as ‘effing gospel.
Can you help me please I don’t understand .
Earlier the BBC , it’s editors , new readers , comedians (!) and audiences were laughing at the word Trump .
That knowing laugh, of sociability that we’re all together and everyone agrees and I’m virtuous .
It was even used and laughed at in Gardeners Question Time , For gods sake .
Now the word Trump brings bafflement ,lamentations , hate , and dejection .
What’s happened ?
Stupid bint on Sky news conflating (laughing) Leonard Cohen’s death with Trumps election. Went unchallenged by the interviewer.
I have emailed tony hall tony.hall@bbc.co.uk and cc my MP and Prime Minister
BBC is now taxation without representation. That caused a Revolution and lead to American Independence. Enough is enough, the more blatant the bias the more the BBC is irrelevant but I should not be taxed for it. So no taxation without representation and hopefully the revolution and independence starts. In some ways it has already happened, their obvious bias from the Referendum and particularly the US election has opened many eyes (and equally in the USA where I lived for 4 years) to MSM bias and BBC bias and will look elsewhere for their news and journalist analysis. They are sowing the seeds of their own destruction.
Guess how unfunny, smug and anti Trump the ‘Now Show’ was this evening.
Yep you are correct. The answer is ‘very’.
Too much to except them to be genuinely ‘edgy’ by attacking Clinton’s Crybabies, isn’t it?
Maybe this should be shown to the demonstrators in the US as voting for snowflakes 101.
https://www.prageru.com/courses/political-science/popular-vote-vs-electoral-college
We also need to include the beeb and our MPs
Do these completely useless, unfunny cnuts in R4 comedy land not realise how irritating they sound to most ordinary people? Don’t they realise that you can’t pose as defenders of the workers whilst at the same time sneering at all their beliefs and their way of life? Or could it be that they don’t care – as long as they get the license fee money for producing this insulting crap. Yes, that’ll be it.
Trouble is, most people are too polite not to laugh and those in the ‘hive mind’ are conditioned to respond the buzz words – easy money!
Reference again, the Alec Baldwin character in the ‘Team America’ movie and that was years ago.