499 Responses to Start The Week Open Thread

  1. Dover Sentry says:

    There is much reported about anti-semitism by the BBC. And rightly so.

    Does the BBC quantify as a percentage the amount committed by Muslims?

    This from ‘The Spectator’:-

    “”It’s OK to mention anti-Semitic attacks – but not who commits them””

    “”Here’s the thing. I will bet every penny I have and more besides that virtually all of the anti-Semitic attacks in this country — and in France and Germany and Belgium — have been perpetrated by Muslims. And because they have been perpetrated by Muslims, that fact will simply not be reported, even when it is plainly obvious that the attackers were Muslim””

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/2014/08/its-ok-to-mention-anti-semitic-attacks-but-not-who-commits-them/

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    • nogginator says:

      BBC – Anti-Semitism: Official definition ‘will fight hatred’
      “Conservative MP and special envoy for post-holocaust issues, Sir Eric Pickles, told the BBC that the new definition “catches up with modern anti-Semitism”.
      “I think it’s important not to conflate Jewish people with Israel,” he said. “That actually is the point in the definition.”
      Absolutely … WRONG in every sense, typical clueless Tories who are obviously counting their corrupt petrodollar support

      An official definition “will fight hatred”. eh?
      No it won’t. It is of no use, as we continue to import millions who follow an anti-Semitic political ideology/religion. the main influence for Nazism.

      Anti Israel sentiment is now blatant, no matter how the words are mixed up or how it is dressed up – Anti-Semitism? the buzzword now of course is Anti-Zionism which deploys against Jews collectively now in the form of the Jewish state, but put simply just repeats many of the principal stratagems and tropes that traditional anti-Semitism directed at the Jewish people as individuals.
      This is how any normal Jewish support for Israel or Zionism is maliciously spun in these political circles, causing hostility to mainstream Jewish positions and of course thus risks Anti Semitic outcomes.
      Allowing this is an absolute fundamental to how our Labour Party ended up in its current mess around Jewish people, so now the fingers can point at Israel but not Jewish people, ie point at Jews collectively?. The government appear to relish this differentiation so beloved of the likes of Iran, Al Jazeera, BBC, and any number of slippery Islamic apologists.
      As usual with the Tories flawed, fundamentally and totally flawed.

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      • embolden says:

        Very true nogginator….All that BDS stuff directed against the Jewish state because of its “occupation” and “racism” whilst not a word from the same people about the Turkish occupations of Northern Cyprus and Kurdistan or Saudi occupation of Hijaz ( now called Western Province but originally ruled by the Transjordanian Hashemites rather than the Nejdi Al Sauds……)

        The sucking up to the numerous Islamic states……all evidence of double standards and a prejudice that operates only against the only Jewish state, Israel.

        Anti-Zionism is nothing to do with anti semitism?…..yeah, right.

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        • nogginator says:

          A few words you will hear ad nauseum, especially from the BBC, the “media” party of the Neo Liberal suck ups Appeaser May, Pickles and co, the Red Tories etc.
          West Bank: This territory was for millennia called Judea and Samaria. After the 1948 War of Independence, Transjordan annexed it, renamed it the “West Bank,” and occupied it for nearly two decades. In the Six Day War, after Jordan attacked Israel, Israel entered the territory and administered it until the Oslo Accords era, when Israel turned over much of the area to the Palestinian Authority.
          Occupation: When it comes to Israel, the UN is obsessed with the word “occupation.” A recent Wall Street Journal article documents 530 General Assembly references to Israel as an “occupying power” versus zero for Indonesia (East Timor), Turkey (Cyprus), Russia (Georgia, Crimea), Morocco (Western Sahara), Vietnam (Cambodia), Armenia (Azerbaijan), Pakistan (Kashmir), or China (Tibet). Saying that Jews are “occupying” Judea is as nonsensical as saying Arabs are “occupying” Arabia or Gauls are “occupying” France.
          Settlement: The UN uses the term to insinuate Israeli theft of “Palestine.” The Obama administration eagerly embraced this terminology. If there is an occupying force in Gaza, it is Hamas. The West Bank is “disputed territories” to anyone claiming a modicum of neutrality. As Elliot Abrams put it, “the term ‘settlement’ loses meaning when applied to Jews building homes in their nation’s capital city.”

          “You can’t colonize Palestine because you can’t colonize colonizers. The Muslim population in Israel is a foreign colonist population. The indigenous Jewish population can resettle its own country, but it can’t colonize it.
          Muslims invaded, conquered and settled Israel. They forced their language and laws on the population. That’s the definition of colonialism. You can’t colonize and then complain that you’re being colonized when the natives take back the power that you stole from them.
          There are Muslims in Israel for the same reason that there are Muslims in India. They are the remnants of a muslim colonial regime that displaced and oppressed the indigenous non-Muslim population.
          All these Muslim conquests and invasions are well-documented. The Muslim settlements fit every historical template of colonialism complete with importing a foreign population and social system that was imposed on the native population”. Until they began losing wars to the indigenous Jewish population, the Muslim settlers were not ashamed of their colonial past, they gloried in it. Their historical legacy was based on seizing indigenous sites, appropriating them and renaming them after the new conquerors.
          The only reason there’s a debate about the Temple Mount is because Caliph Omar conquered Jerusalem and ordered a mosque built on a holy Jewish site. The only reason there’s a debate about East Jerusalem is because invading Muslim armies seized half the city in 1948, bombed synagogues and ethnically cleansed the Jewish population to achieve an artificial Muslim settler majority.
          The only Muslim claim to Jerusalem or to any other part of Israel is based purely on the enterprise of colonial violence. There is no Muslim claim to Israel based on anything other than colonialism, invasion and settlement.
          Israel is littered with Omar mosques, including one built in the courtyard of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, because Islam is a colonial entity whose mosques testify to their invasive origins by celebrating colonialism as their true religion. The faith of Islam is the sworn religion of the sword.
          Islam is a religion of colonialism that spread through invasion, settlement and conquest”
          D Greenfield

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          • Dave S says:

            very good and clear. To which I would only add that at least half of all Israelis today are the descendants of those Jews forcibly driven from their homes in other ME lands in 1948 by ethnic cleansing.
            The Arab nations and the West had no interest in their fate at all so why should any Israeli care a jot for Western liberal whining now.

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          • TrueToo says:

            Fine, comprehensive comments, nogginator.

            So often we hear the tired old bleat:

            Criticism of Israel is not anti-Semitism

            And of course they omit an important qualification:

            necessarily must always be inserted between not and anti-Semitism.

            Israel’s enemies have played a cunning game for the past seven decades:

            Bleat long and loud enough and people will come to think there must be at least some justification for the bleating.

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    • Invicta 1066 says:

      A few years ago a German Uni. study showed anti-Semitic attacks across Europe were carried out largely by Muslims; not wishing to believe an in depth study by German University, the EU commissioned one of it’s own.
      When published, the headline was that right-wing fascists and were responsible for the overwhelming percentage of attacks and verbal abuse of Jews in Europe. The BBC ran with this.
      When Mark Styen, then writing for the Spectator, took the trouble to turn past the headline page, he found that in fact the report confirmed the original German study and that over 85% of physical and verbal attacks on Jews were carried out by Muslims and their apologists.
      I do not recall the BBC recanting nor correcting the false propaganda they had been all too willing to broadcast.

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    • Wiser Monkeys says:

      Metropolitan Police data determines that the per capita incidence of anti-Semitic crime is currently 2.8 times greater than that of ‘Islamophobic’ crime. The true ratio may be nearer 4, as a freedom-of-information request by Sikhs exposed that 28% of ‘islamophobic crimes’ were not even against Muslims at all. In Scotland, per capita offensive conduct against Judaism is 2.4 times more prevalent than that against Islam.

      Read more at: http://wisermonkeys.uk/islam/islam.html#iphobia

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  2. embolden says:

    BBC Newsnight did a “special report” on the Identitarian movement in Europe (which of course they referred to as “European alt-Right”).

    Gabriel Gatehouse reported from Austria and France…..amusing to see his shock at the articulacy of the Identitarian spokesmen, despite his lame attempts to get them to say something he could harrumph about.

    Back in the studio, a spokeswoman from Quillian “the far right and jihadists are two sides of the same coin” “we must avoid the idea that there is a clash across the world between Muslims and non Muslims” and Frank Furedi, formerly of the Revolutionary Communist Party provided their unbiased analysis….Furedis Skype link went down in a display of BBC competence!

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    • Dave S says:

      It looked like the snowflakes of Newsnight were baffled and out of their depth again.
      Quillian is taquiya personified and I discount it.
      Interestingly Maitlis’ interview with the Denver mayor did not go to plan. She seemed badly briefed. Denver is not a sanctuary city and the mayor was at pains to insist he would not break federal law.
      Her agenda looked clear that was to get the mayor to say he would defy President Trump but he was not having it at any price. Poor lady . Out of her depth again.

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  3. chrisH says:

    Found myself listening to an unusually decent “Start The Week” earlier.
    Turns out that the Bolshoi Ballet were once the very pride of pre-revolutionary Russia, culturally able to exemplify the peak of Russian artistry.
    Come the Soviet Revolution of October 1917, and it nearly gets wiped out as elitist and counter-revolutionary.
    But the likes of Lenin decided that it could remain as long as it pandered to contemporary Soviet Realism, elevating the proles above the traditional, the educated and the middle class kulaks who were liquidated and humiliated.
    As long as it squashed any pretensions to speak for the organic, indigenous peoples who were key to Russian culture and history since time began,but-instead-served its new masters in indoctrination, censoring thought and collective utopian droolings over the bodies of those who refused to sell their birthrights? Than it served its purpose and became entrenched. Stuffed full of state stooges, cultural critics , censors and one big state-run sinecure.
    But died in creativity because it feared getting the wrong side of its paymasters and thought police.
    But-to be fair-its paymasters and thought police were Russian themselves…whereas Our Bolshey Ballet serve only Islam, the EU and UN-approved charity outfits like Greenpeace. And no-one(even in The USSR) were forced to pay for the Bolshoi just to be insulted and lied to.
    Yep. Start The Week saw the Bolshoi as it was….but as for the very place they were holding forth from….well, no read-across surely.

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  4. Dover Sentry says:

    “”Brexit Voters Are Not Thick””.

    Thank you Katie Hopkins. (I preferred her with longer hair. But then again, I’m a ‘sexist lover of women’).

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    • taffman says:

      Dover Sentry
      Well said Katie, I say .

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    • Jud says:

      I may have found peace at last due to this clip of Katie Hopkins venting her spleen. Every morning for the past six months I have woken up to the same biased unshifting anti Government shite (outpouring) on Radios 5live and 4 and being a current affairs nerd had no other option than to listen to this left wing pro EU twaddle. I have asked Santa for a digital radio for Christmas in the hope I can tune in to LBC and recharge my dulled senses.
      Jud (Devon)

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      • Scroblene says:

        Make sure you have an auto-turn-off for when James O’Brien starts ranting and yelling rubbish.

        Love Katie Hopkins! Dover, I think her hair is shorter because she was unwell recently! Judging by the way she demolished the idiot in Kensington, I’d say she’s well on the mend!

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      • StewGreen says:

        Freeview channel 732
        Also available on Satellite and cable channels

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      • Leha says:

        LBC is a deadzone between 10am-4pm

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  5. Tabs says:

    Did Clinton win more votes than any white man in history?
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38254946

    This is the second BBC article today mentioning “white men”. Why are they putting Obama in a different category to the other Presidents. Surely a simple table showing which President has had the most votes would be the correct way to report this.

    The BBC hate racism so much they are blind to their own racist stupidity.

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  6. taffman says:

    “Chancellor Philip Hammond has backed a transitional deal for Brexit saying it would be “helpful” to allow longer than two years for the UK’s EU exit.”
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38295358
    In my opinion for what its worth, the ‘remoaners’ of the government, and that’s most of them, are trying to enact delaying tactics to try to change the will and minds of the ordinary British people who want to get out of the corrupt and undemocratic clique that is the EU.
    They are of the opinion that we the true Brits, are not intelligent enough to know when our country and nationality has been undermined for the last forty years.
    What started out to be an ‘Common Market’ has morphed into an ‘United States’ of Europe – All this despite assurances that it would not be just that.
    Lovers of Freedom canvas you MPs before its too late . We have been betrayed by a ‘so called’ Tory Government.
    Despite the biased £ 9 million government leaflet , the biased Al Beeb and MSM media, we saw through the the biggest scam of the century and VOTED OUT.
    Vote or support UKIP, as its our only salvation.

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    • Dave S says:

      Hammond is not to be trusted one iota. May and Hammond are two politicians committed to the EU pretending to be something else and that alone is going to cause trouble and further degrade democracy in this country.

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      • taffman says:

        A challenge – are there any Tory supporters or posters on this site ?

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        • Number 7 says:

          Shwmae taffman.

          I was once. I hate to say, even campaigned for the Moron (look at the alternative).

          Rest assured, I have left the Dark Side.

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          • taffman says:

            Shwmae Rhif Saith. 😉
            Just wondering and testing, just what the present Tory supporters think about this so called government ?

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          • Number 7 says:

            PS taffman.

            My email to my local MP, as to his reasons for ignoring his local (53.7% Leave) electorate has yet to receive a reply.

            I will keep all here posted!

            Hwyl.

            PPS The last missive I had from him sounded as though it had been written by the Council (EU) itself – All the money we get from the EU etc.

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          • Dysgwr_Cymraeg says:

            Rhif saith, are you now an active campaigner for UKIP in your west wales constituency?
            I ask because my own efforts at attending branch and helping with tthe campaigning have been almost non existent, and I am indeed ashamed of my efforts. However, it is just possible we have met at branch.

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        • imaynotalwaysloveyou says:

          I’d like a count of current Tory MPs who could feasibly switch parties to UKIP (or whatever other serious Right wing party emerges). My guess is that the number is less than five. The rest of ’em I’d consider barely better than socialists.

          They can take Carswell back for starters!

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          • Scroblene says:

            Bit off topic but now I know why every time I see a post from you Imay, I start humming a favourite Beach Boys track!

            Back on topic, I absolutely agree about Carswell.

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    • wronged says:

      That’s right Taffman.
      Voting UKIP is the only way I can see us leaving the EU with a clean Brexit.

      Compromises leave one standing in the middle of the road, and those who stand in the middle of the road get run over.

      We need a decisive leader and Theresa the Appeaser has a history of prevarication and weakness. What is more, she is also a Remainer.

      Worrying times ahead I’m afraid..

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    • G.W.F. says:

      Agree Taffman. And the BBC will be supporting them by ‘educating’ the people about the mistake that was Brexit. Eventually, after a couple of years of mindless negotiations, a deal will be struck and we will remain in a slightly but superficially modified EU.

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  7. Framer says:

    Not a whisper of concern on the BBC about those, so-described, hideously white men at the FA.
    Just unending, patronising and hectoring programmes about BMEs and other minorities.
    The BBC has lost the run of itself in trying to meet diversity quotas while rubbing those white faces in it.

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    • Number 7 says:

      The BBC website is both racist and ageist – BUT we don’t count inside the bubble.

      Perhaps I should change my name to Mohammed.

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    • Dysgwr_Cymraeg says:

      The media love to quote previous chairs of the FA all now claiming its too white, too old, too male.
      None of the clueless hacks have the brains to ask them what did you do about it while there?

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  8. Dover Sentry says:

    BBC Online News:

    “”Scottish pilot who helped sink the Bismarck dies”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-38297099

    A good report by the BBC. Credit where it’s due.

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    • taffman says:

      Dover Sentry
      Perhaps the interesting bit of the article you posted is this?………..
      “In recent years he campaigned for the No side in the Scottish independence referendum, appearing alongside Scottish Conservative leader Ruth Davidson in 2014 to make the defence case for the Union.”

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    • Rob in Cheshire says:

      I am sad to see the passing of another British hero. The country he fought for died long before he did. RIP.

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  9. wronged says:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38286708
    ‘Far-right group National Action to be banned under terror laws’

    A far right group whose beliefs are enshrined in National Socialism!

    I always thought Socialism was left wing! Far right =Socialism !!!

    Hitler’s Nazi Party were National Socialist in origin. Hitler described himself as a Socialist.He was a lefty.So how is National Socialism right wing?

    Any lefty on here care to explain this inappropriate misnomer by the BBC.

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    • Tabs says:

      “Right Wing” used to describe conservative politics i.e. Thatcher, but is now used by the BBC and leftie students to describe any group they disagree with.

      A couple of weeks ago at a family get together I was talking to my wife’s nephew. He is studying for a degree in something like Harry Potter Books and never worked a hard days work ever – and probably never will. Conversation got onto Nigel Farage and he said “Farage is so right wing it’s unbelievable”. I said “no he isn’t, he can’t be right wing if he want to make changes such as Brexit”. Nephew was spitting feathers and eye wide open shocked that I would even challenge him and his mistaken beliefs and he left the room and never spoke to me again!

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      • Demon says:

        Tabs, he obviously went looking for a safe space to cry and play with playdough.

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      • Grant says:

        Tabs,

        The wisdom of youth !

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      • wronged says:

        Don’t worry Tabs, you’re not alone. I had an argument with the then wife’s Irish side over their support of the IRA about 40 odd years ago. There has been silence ever since. No loss to me though.

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        • Rob in Cheshire says:

          Yes, the IRA “freedom fighters” can seem quite heroic to simple minded people, until they blow your home town up. I imagine many soft headed sympathisers in Manchester got a reality check in 1996. I have never forgotten the rubble and chaos, and destruction of some of my favourite places. I hope the collecting tins for “the boyos” in certain pubs were a bit emptier after that.

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      • Dysgwr_Cymraeg says:

        Hmmm……I have a granddaughter who has been through yoonie, and fair play to her got for herself a job in a well known german retail outfit ( one with many many shops in the uk), so, yer’d think head screwed on? ( she 26 now and at a director level in’t company) …
        At a family session prior to xmas just gone, the question went round…..In or out of the EU.
        She was horrified that anyone like me could possibly vote out! Shocked I tells yer.
        Oh…and prior to that, my constant campaining re the ROP on facebook, caused her to unfriend me! Invading her safe space? Brains.? Obviously in her arse or elsewhere.
        Lots of supposedly bright young people are either brainwashed or thick as shit.

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    • Cranmer says:

      On BBC R4 lunchtime news yesterday the banning of this National Action group – which is probably tiny and I’d certainly never heard of it – was given equal prominence with the arrest of a group of ‘men’ on ‘suspicion of terrorism’ in several addresses across England. My guess is this was an attempt to show some twisted form of balance.

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    • Demon says:

      This has been discussed on here many times. You are absolutely correct. For the left, right-wing means anyone who they don’t like and who is against Marxism (totally forgetting that Hitler read Marx and followed some of his ideas).

      Nationalism is now a dirty word and is used to claim that’s why the Nazis murdered their millions of victims. As I’ve argued before, it wasn’t the nationalist side of the National Socialists that made the Nazis so blood-soaked but the socialist side.

      All true socialists are happy to kill anyone who they don’t like or who disagrees with them. See the violence by socialists when Conservatives are elected to office and when Trump won. This violence tends to turn to murder once they achieve power. That’s why Hitler attached his personal anti-Semitism to his brand of revolutionary socialism as he knew he would be able to do something to the Jews if he got into power.

      The reason why most on the “official” left hate the Nazis is that they are going after the same electorate and more votes for the Nazis is less for them.

      Hitler was also a nationalist – he did actually believe in the German People (Deutscher Volk) – and this gained him popularity with others who hadn’t necessarily shared his hate for other people, but eventually the non-stop propaganda even persuaded many of them about the undesirability of the Jews, Gipsies, Black people etc.

      Mussolini’s brand of socialism also included a bit of Italian Nationalism. His wasn’t so anti-Semitic and some Jews were openly members of the Fascist Party (at least until Mussolini fell under Hitler’s spell) because Nationalism for them meant the Nation, not the race.

      White Supremacists are just racists. I support all British competitors unless they have said something I don’t like. I was cheering for Hamilton until he opened his mouth recently. I don’t cheer for Murray due to his anti-English comments – (that’s a joke by the way).

      Nationalism was very strong in the 19th Century and was regarded as a worthy ambition. It’s what led to both Italian and German unification. All the subject peoples of the European empires wanted to express themselves. It was basically the Romantic Movement’s unwritten goal.

      In music it started with people like Beethoven, then Schumann, Liszt, Chopin. Later Smetana, Tchaikovsky, Dvorak etc. Although Wagner’s anti-Semitism was unhelpful despite him writing some of the most sublime music ever written (he was just a horrible little man with amazing talent). The Brothers Grimm with their compilation of German folk-tales along with other writers, painters etc. were ardent nationalists which was shown in their work.

      In Britain, we had various people, Cecil Sharp, Ralph Vaughan-Williams, Percy Grainger for instance who toured the country looking for old British folk-songs and customs and endeavoured to write them down before they were lost. Vaughan-Williams was openly left leaning but this didn’t stop him being a nationalist.

      Nationalism also was the driver to the end of the British Empire, which the left applaud. Irish, Indian, Pakistani, Kenyan nationalism, for instance, was often bloody but the left supports that kind of nationalism.

      Yes, there were problems, which still continue, where two conflicting nationalisms are fighting for the same bit of turf (think Kosovo and Kashmir) but I believe that true nationalism is to do with your nation not your race and is neither intrinsically racist nor violent. As always Left-Wingers like Hitler besmirch the good name of nationalism by adding it to their ugly, violent forms of socialism.

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      • wronged says:

        Deamon, we are clearly on the same page,however.

        ‘This has been discussed on here many times.’

        ….and needs to be discussed, amongst the electorate, a great deal more. Only then will the BBC stop trying to associate the Right wing with national Socialism. Socialists never seem to accept the fact that Hitler was a socialist. That he led a socialist party.Yet time and time again the BBC and other lefties call them right wing.Ignoring Godwin’s law (which is nonsense BTW).We need to yell it from the rafters. HITLER WAS A LEFTY. HITLER WAS A LEFTY.

        My view is that if Hitler was alive and well today he would probably have been a current Liberal Democrat/Remainer whereby democracy is irrelevant to a country.He would have liked to have got his grubby Parkinsons hands on the territories of the EU and controlled it for his own means, which of course he nearly did.Once again though, Britain stood tall in fighting against a socialist undemocratic dictatorial wave in Europe. BREXIT.
        I digress.
        Brainwashing the public is what they, the BBC do best,all the while feeding their own ‘Blairite’ narrative. The BBC deserves to be exposed as the fraudulent biased left wing broadcaster it indeed is.

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        • Rob in Cheshire says:

          In my opinion, the term “left” can denote national socialism (eg the SNP) or international socialism (eg the Corbynistas). The “right” stands for economic and political freedom, in direct contrast to the tenets of both national and international socialism.

          Don’t expect the BBC to follow this definition any time soon.

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          • chrisH says:

            The term LEFT comes from the French in 1789.
            Nobility say on the right of the King…the Third Estate sat on his left.
            BUT-as we look at the King and his courtiers-we see his “Left” to be on our right…and the Right Wing he has seems Left wing to US!
            So time to end that Left-Right crap as used in the old politics by the BBC and political adversaries with no wit or imagination.
            You either want the truth or power…to live your life with minimal interference from the State, or to be cossetted and rewarded for doing the States bidding.
            Trump, Le Pen,Johnson, Farage and Wilders are the REAL rebels…the Left are unthinking comfort blanket fascists who want power to terrorise the free the non-compliant.
            ( With due thanks for The King of Scrutopia…Roger Scruton…who tells us much of the above in his “Fools, Frauds and Firebrands” book of last year…and thanks to Somersets librarian who BOUGHT it for me to borrow!)

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            • G.W.F. says:

              Far right is a term used to describe those who oppose sharia and Islamification whatever other political beliefs you may hold.

              The left has totally embraced Islam. Both Marxism and Islam are deterministic doctrines, with no scope for the individual

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  10. taffman says:

    “It has meant growing numbers having to go without help or pay for their own care – councils fund services only for the poorest, with those with assets of more than £23,250 expected to pay the full cost of care themselves.”
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38286145
    These people have paid into the DHSS pot all their lives.
    ‘Charity begins at home’, spend the money wasted on Foreign Aid on them.

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    • imaynotalwaysloveyou says:

      Councils (and it doesn’t matter whether labour or tory), like the Government, have a default position of favouring the non-indigenous. I’m sure even the remotest places in the UK will have an ‘Equalities Team’ and their budget won’t be touched while everything else that is generally useful (refuse collection, libraries etc) will slowly be de-funded.

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      • Grant says:

        imay,

        As my late father said to me way back in the 60s about the Tories ” They are just slow-motion socialists “. Well they have speeded up since then !

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      • oldcrone says:

        Imay …. you write ” councils have a default position of favouring the non-indigenous”. My local touristy small market town in Northern England has put up their “Christmas” decorations .. very few compared to previous years and the only thing they have which “may” relate to Christmas are stars … like something out of a cartoon. Christmas trees etc are replaced by those loop things which all the leftie MP’s are wearing at the moment. Slung across the main street is a massive banner saying only “Love and Respect” with the loop things at either side of it. This has got nothing to do with Christmas. Blatant lefty propaganda and the homogenisation of Christmas into a secularist holiday. I wouldn’t be surprised if there aren’t any decorations at all next year. Slowly they are undermining our culture.

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  11. Helena Hand-Basket says:

    It’s hard to believe there was a time when the BBC didn’t whitewash Islam’s savagery, denigrate Britain’s past and insult out intelligence. Their award-winning 1971 drama ‘Source of the Nile’, finally released on DVD (in colour), shows just how high their standards once were. Heroic Victorians are shown searching for the river’s source in the great lakes of East Africa and trying to save the chained-up slaves of Arab traders. I first watched this as a sixth-former, and always wanted to see it again.

    Explorers include John Speke, Richard Burton, Samuel and Florence Baker and David Livingstone. Apparently the insanely brave Burton disguised himself to join crowds in the 1853 Hajj pilgrimage to Mecca, knowing full well that the last infidel spy they’d caught had been crucified. He also got kebabed by a Somali spear through both cheeks. Based on records from the time, and narrated by James Mason, it doesn’t even contain gratuitous rumpy-pumpy or background disco music.

    God help us if the BBC remake this gem. My prediction: the exploration scheme will be run by Mary Seacole, who discovers Livingstone is a corrupt drunkard using his medical missionary work as a front for slave-trading. Sam Baker realises the industrial revolution has already launched global warming. Burton and Speke take an erotic skinny-dip together in Lake Tanganyika, while Florence Baker lectures the Ujiji villagers on the need for European unity and votes for women.

    A historical footnote: I lived in colonial East Africa as a child in the early sixties, and remember staying at the Speke Hotel, Kampala. I assumed it must have been replaced by the Idi Amin Plaza (or something) decades ago, but I’ve just googled and found it’s still going. Exterior-wise, it looks as I remember it being when Uganda was a British protectorate (pre-1962). Quite a tribute to John Hanning Speke – the first European to see Lake Victoria. Maybe even a tribute to British rule!

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    • Grant says:

      Helena,

      I am amazed they have released the DVD. Just shows that they will do anything for money even if it contradicts their current perverted world view. My own favourite has to be Mungo Park ! There is still a memorial to him in Gambia and he is taught in the schools there. I wonder how many British schoolchildren have heard of him ?

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      • gaxvil says:

        Yes both. It is reassuring that it is in fact the BBC that has changed and it’s not me that has become a crazy old reactionary.

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  12. AsISeeIt says:

    In our time and on the public payroll

    The increasingly nasal and dotty Labour Lord Melvyn Bragg leads the formerly flag-ship Radio 4 show In Our Time on a surely doomed journey – contradictory to its own title – up its own acedeme. Long-forgotten minor Victorian female hack writers, obscure medieval Islamic scholars (are there any other kind?) and the esoteric, supposedly feminist, attributes of exotic Indian she gods… this is now the stock in trade subject matter that is the basis of yet another once-loved show hopelessly infected with a bad case of the BBC PC disease – Let’s call it the Box-ticking Broadcast Commune.

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  13. Tabs says:

    Charity warns of FGM ‘parties’ taking place in England
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-38290888

    Can anyone spot the elephant in the room? A certain word beginning with ‘M’ is missing throughout the article.

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  14. seismicboy says:

    Tabs, I know where you are coming from on this. FGM pre-dates Islam although it has been adopted by muslims as it falls conveniently into the scope of female chastity. I feel it is as much an general ethnic problem as a muslim one. However, so much for immigrants adopting ‘British’ values. Forget about that particular pipe-dream you liberal fools.

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    • Grant says:

      seismic,

      You are right. Some muslims practice it but there is debate among muslim scholars as to whether it is Islamic. My view is that it is more of a cultural issue. To take a personal example , my wife is black african and , in theory, muslim. She is from the Wolof tribe which does not practice FGM. I asked her about it and she said “that is only for the primitive tribes “. Wolofs are famous for their superiority and snobbery !

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      • Grant says:

        PS. The other example I can give is Turkey, where I lived for 2 years, many years ago. The, educated , Turks I spoke to about it believed it was only practiced by a tiny minority of poorer, less educated people and not widely prevalent at all, but that is just hearsay. Not an easy area for anyone to do proper reasearch.

        The fact that the British Government and police do so little to stop it in the UK is, of course, a total disgrace and stain on them.

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        • imaynotalwaysloveyou says:

          Grant – off topic but you mentioning Turkey made me think of other ‘reasonably well functioning’ Muslim countries. The ones which aren’t sitting on lots of oil.

          We often think of fanaticism & terrorism etc of Pakistan and places like it in the Middle East. However there are some places like Indonesia and Malaysia which, although very repressive and probably corrupt by western standards, at least appear to do a decent job of providing their citizens with a functioning economy. Why can’t other Muslim countries copy them is my point (I suppose), so their overflow populations do not have to stream into Europe?

          I’ve never been to these places so I’m probably being naive, but it would appear the more secular the country the less of a basketcase it’s likely to be.

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          • gaxvil says:

            Too much sun?
            Actually, if the body is devoting lots of effort to regulating body temperature that may well be starving the thought processes.
            Crime rates, rioting etc., does seem to increase with temperature.

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            • imaynotalwaysloveyou says:

              That’s a valid point gax – you can’t expect much work to be done in dry desert conditions of 35 degrees C minimum. But the countries near the equator are both hot and humid and probably only marginally less unpleasant.

              Europeans made thriving colonies all over the world despite the weather (and diseases) not being conducive to comfortable living.

              Perhaps the elephant in the room is the taboo of IQ, or waiting for such a thing as a ‘Muslim Reformation’ that they may finally get their act together. Was reading about Aleppo in Syria today – ancient old cities reduced to rubble yet again. Actually whenever I think of the middle-east (outside of Israel) sandy rubble is the first image that comes to mind!

              I’m just hoping a day will come (not in my lifetime) where the west isn’t always subject to the ‘white man’s burden’ – we can’t forever house, feed, and look after the world’s excess population.

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  15. thirdoption says:

    Christmas wouldn’t be complete without the BBC spending huge amounts of the license fee on some crap comedians and this year, yet again, they haven’t disappointed us.

    Monday 19/12/16 BBC2 9pm – “Sir Lenny Henry: A life on Screen”

    http://www.radiotimes.com/tv-programme/e/fg69k8/a-life-on-screen–sir-lenny-henry—a-life-on-screen

    I think I’ll record it so the whole family can watch it again and again to remind us how wonderful the BBC is and what good value the compulsory TV tax is.

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    • Grant says:

      thirdadoption,

      I posted before but someone once asked Steve Martin ” Steve, why aren’t you funny any more “. Don’t suppose Lenny will be asked that in the documentary !

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      • thirdoption says:

        It’s a toss up for me Grant between who I laugh at the most – Sir Lenworth Henry or the pink pansy, Eddie Izzard.

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      • Scroblene says:

        I always thought that documentaries were meant to be interesting!

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      • Steve Jones says:

        Grant,
        That was a character by the name of Dennis Pennis who was the alter-ego of Paul Kaye. He specialised in getting close to celebrities and asking awkward questions or lampooning them in a way that they, largely, didn’t notice. Here he is:

        That one was a bit cruel, his put downs were usually much funnier and deserved.

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        • Grant says:

          Steve Jones, not Martin,

          That was the one I was thinking of. Yes, it was cruel and I would say that Steve Martin has given me more laughs and pleasure than Lenny Henry.

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    • seismicboy says:

      Lenny Henry – a legend in his own lunchtime if there ever was one.
      I notice no one in the bbc ever picked him up on his demeaning, racist chants of ‘Katanga’ and his stereotypifying parrot sounds of Africa. How things have changed.

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      • Grant says:

        seismic,

        Good point ! “Black ” comedians used to be open-minded enough to make fun of their own culture. Woe betide any one who did it now.

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        • BRISSLES says:

          There’s only one British black comedian of any note and that was Charlie Williams from Doncaster – he always threatened to come and live next door to you ! His humour and that of the other Comedians in the 70’s was such that you cried with laughter. (Cant ever remember doing that with Lenny Henry or Ainsley Harriet or Andi Peters)

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          • G.W.F. says:

            Brissles
            The Great Charlie Williams

            ‘Don’t rub thee eyes with that mascara luv…you’ll be darker than me’.

            And the pigmy tribe called Hellarewe

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      • Cranmer says:

        I find the BBC’s relentless pushing of Sir Lenward Henry to be rather interesting. He is a moderately talented black comedian with a family appeal, but so was Charlie Williams, and he disappeared off the air about 1980…the way he is constantly held up as a poster boy reminds me of the way evangelical Christians used to push Sir Cliff Richard as a way of appealing to the youth, when he was well into his forties!

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        • gaxvil says:

          It’s called, ‘affirmative action’ otherwise known as positive discrimination.
          Henry played,Othello on stage to such universal acclaim.
          Can you imagine how any criticism would have been labelled?
          Exactly.

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          • Andrew Caplan says:

            “It’s called, ‘affirmative action’ otherwise known as positive discrimination.”

            I’d take it one step further. It’s discrimination based on race, therefore it’s racial discrimination.

            Some people might think it’s justified, but it’s still racial discrimination.

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            • gaxvil says:

              Justified because of perceived wrongs of the past – so you create a bias because of race, religion or ethnicity?
              The point of selection should be to appoint the best person for the job. To do anything other than that is simply irrational.

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              • Andrew Caplan says:

                “The point of selection should be to appoint the best person for the job.”

                But, in the eyes of some, it doesn’t produce the “right” result, that’s the problem as they see it. It’s a means of ensuring equality of outcome. Equality of opportunity doesn’t do this and never will.

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                • Cranmer says:

                  According to Mr Charlie Williams’ wikipedia entry, he was extremely popular until the early 1980s when he performed in Rhodesia and went on record as saying black people should ensure they integrate into British society. I can imagine that after that, the BBC bookings went into decline!

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    • gaxvil says:

      This is the first year the family have not bought a Christmas Radio Times. Cheaper and less agenda driven TV guides are available.

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      • Scroblene says:

        Oh yes, we made the mistake of getting one, without even remembering how dire it was last year, and the year before that etc etc…

        I used to like going through all the favourite films, and circle the gooduns. This year I gave up after ten days of trashy stuff by actors I’ve never heard of, (except where they’re famous for being famous, and therefore get into the side windows of The Daily Mail with boring repetition).

        I wish I’d bought a Harry Potter colouring book instead…

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      • oldcrone says:

        gaxvil I agree about the Radio Times … I have bought it from the year dot as I used to get it mostly for Radio 4 program info. I no longer listen to Radio 4 … never thought I’d see myself write that in black and white, but hey ho! I have it on subscription delivery to the door, as it’s cheaper. You pay 6 months up front but I have recently cancelled my direct debit … but still it keeps coming through the door. I hate the publication now as my eyes are now open to their agendas, and I wonder how much longer I will have to put up with it appearing and me not reading it! I have sourced an online media schedule which gives just as much info without accompanied blood pressure problems.

           20 likes

        • gaxvil says:

          I’m with you there – It was always Radio 4 in our house but this year that came to an end.

             15 likes

          • Blackcap says:

            The letters pages made me laugh each week. Those sycophantic letter writers praising the latest lightweight programme like the voice, strictly etc. Sickening, never a breath of criticism. I often felt like telling them what they didn’t want to know but it wouldn’t get further than the office bin. Surely though they must receive criticism?

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            • Cranmer says:

              Blackcap, I’ve seen the odd critical letter in Radio Times but yes, overall it’s sycophantic. What makes me chuckle is the way every feature has a PC angle. So a feature on a new series on, say, Mary Tudor, would have a header such as ‘Why Mary wouldn’t have made it to the top in today’s Britain, says leading academic Kate Lesbie-Fossilton’ etc.

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  16. MartinW says:

    In the discussion, on the Today programme, of Hammond’s delphic remark about the possibility of negotiations taking more than two years, Anna Soubury was invited to comment. I reached, as usual, for the mute button, but changed my mind and listened to what she had to say. She talked good sense! Firstly complaining to Humphreys about being called a ‘remainder’, saying she has moved on, and emphasising that we will be leaving the EU, come what may. That sounded like a genuine change of heart. She argued for an interim agreement that would see us leave the EU after [a maximum of] two years, giving us time thereafter to negotiate on [more difficult areas]. I shall have to listen again for her exact words, but the thrust of her statement sounded eminently sensible. If Hammond means a much longer negotiation before any agreement at all, then I am deeply opposed to that. Getting out quickly with an interim, imperfect agreement is surely the way to avoid disruption to business and trade, and to give us time.

       24 likes

    • Grant says:

      MartinW,

      “Remainder”. A Freudian slip ? Or maybe not !

         9 likes

      • MartinW says:

        Hmm! A genuine slip .. but a useful word which I might apply to Clarke, Mandelson, et al. Meanwhile, hoping for a change of heart by Jammeh. Very difficult to prise out Islamic dictators.

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        • Grant says:

          MartinW,

          The list is almost endless !

          Senegalese warplanes were buzzing the capital , Banjul and Jammeh’s village, Kanilai, yesterday. 4 W.African Presidents , including Buhari of Nigeria meant to be visiting Gambia today. They all want him out !

             9 likes

        • gaxvil says:

          ‘Remainder’ is good. I like ‘Clingon’ and ‘Clinger’.

             8 likes

          • Scroblene says:

            What is so seriously wrong, is the fact that ‘negotiations’ are being made by politicians with very little commercial experience. They just get paid with no results expected, and that’s why they are in positions where they are.

            Yeah, yeah, I know there are several MPs and Ministers who have held down a decent job, Mr Fallon is one of them, and I was pleasantly surprised to meet him about one of his businesses, but think of twits who have just popped up though colleges – they’re clueless!

            I’m never impressed by ‘moguls’ such as Alan Sugar either, and I used to like Richard Branson, but not so much now after his wanting to remain. Why on earth did he want to do that?

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    • Rob in Cheshire says:

      Martin:

      This is why I have sympathy for the EEA option. Get us out of the EU quickly, and then negotiate suitable trade agreements, without having a two year deadline being used against us.

      The important thing is to get out of the EU as quickly as possible and without damaging our economy. If we can do this without that nasty drunken bastard Juncker thinking he has got us up against a deadline, so much the better.

         15 likes

      • Kaiser says:

        hmmmm sounds to me like keeping us in the eu by the back door

        we should be informed of the maximum time this so called “temporary” arrangement will last.

        i suspect it means paying £250m a week, no immigration controls, keeping the EU court et al, ie nothing different only nigel not an mep moaning at them, and it will take us another 50 years and a referendum to get us out of.

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        • Rob in Cheshire says:

          It won’t take 50 years, but even the EU-Canada agreement took 7 years to negotiate. I see the EEA not as a destination, but as a step on the road to getting out of the EU. I’d prefer it to any so-called “transitional agreement”.

          In my opinion, we should never have joined the EEC, but we did, and we have been slowly entwined with the EEC/EU for 43 years. It will take more than two years to sort out a proper exit which suits us. If the EEA option gives us a quick way out I would be prepared to go for it.

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      • Alicia Sinclair says:

        The EU won`t be here much longer.
        The Euro will go within a few years, and all those elections where the EU ideal meets with national reality of angry electorates next year ought to move it all along and into the bin.
        So all this guff over “stability” and “what happens to trade” are BBC fetishes. And never to be questioned or cast into doubt.
        Big wide world out there we need to reacquaint ourselves with before the Eu house of cards detains us much longer.
        Get that big deal with the USA then Australia and China…the EU will come in on our terms once Merkel has been enfeebled or binned next autumn.
        Looking forward to the annual BBC ” Predictions for the Coming Year”-the likes of Lyse Doucet and Stephen Sackur did NOT get it right for 2016, so be good to hear them explain it all away!

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  17. s.trubble says:

    Watching Greg Dyke there on BBC news suggesting the problem at the FA is “old white men”suppressing and blocking change.

    You do wonder if the beeboid has missed the irony in this report………..

    Ex FA Old White Men Versus Current FA batch of old white men.

    Nil all Beeb!

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  18. seismicboy says:

    Stop press.
    Syrian government and Russian forces are close to ‘winning’ the battle for Aleppo.
    The last time I looked it was a smoldering pile of rubble.
    Maybe time to get Jim Bowen in to show them what they could have won.

       18 likes

    • Invicta 1066 says:

      Are you referring to Bullseye? Don’t tell anyone, but repeats of the 1980s show are running on one of myriad channels that show TV when it relied on talent and real humour. I recorded a whole run of them to watch ( I haven’t been well for the past 2/3 days) during the day; after all the history and arts and philosophy documentaries of course,
      Those prizes! The hairstyles of the younger blokes, Jim’s banter those where the days.
      One show, the young lad dartist had an off day, and he and the older lady answering the questions went out in the first round, They came back at the end as none of the other couples were prepared to risk their winnings. Old lady up first and needing to score 101 or more to win the star prize she did it in two! Are joy.

         13 likes

      • Roland Deschain says:

        Which was probably a motor boat that they had to lug up 10 flights of stairs when they got home.

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  19. BRISSLES says:

    As we’ve now got Transgender, will there come a time when there is a condition of being black in a white man’s body ? because I think that’s what Greg Dyke is suffering from ! rabbitting on about the FA being full of old white men – when he was head of the BBC he accused it of being institutionally white ! Whats wrong with this idiot, we are 80% a white nation. Unless there is a mix of colour in every aspect of our life these people are never happy.

       32 likes

    • Grant says:

      Brissles,

      The problem with that moron Dyke is that he hates being hideously white and feels guilty about it. It is a kind of mental illness.

         26 likes

    • G says:

      Brissles, perhaps in Dyke’s time the FA were resisting him trying to inflict the Blatantly Biased Corporation’s view and style of ‘management’ on them?

         7 likes

    • gaxvil says:

      Remember the woman in America – had her hair frizzed and skin darkened because she was ‘black’ inside? She even worked for a BLM type organisation.

         15 likes

      • Grant says:

        gax,

        Meanwhile, in Africa, many black African girls “skin bleach ” to make their skin paler. In W. Africa, Blacks with paler skin consider themselves superior than their blacker brothers. There are degrees of blackness. For example, the Fula tribe tend to be less black than other tribes and often get abused for it out of jealousy.

        This would make a great topic for a fearless BBC documentary !

           22 likes

        • gaxvil says:

          Grant, Same in India – go figure.

             14 likes

          • Grant says:

            gax,

            I have never been to India, but I heard that. How do western Leftie liberals explain this ? Let me guess ” White racism and colonialism ! “. No doubt that is how they would explain away FGM .

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            • Demon says:

              Chatting to a Filippino nurse last year and she said the same in the Philippines. A lot of rich women try to whiten their skin, she was amused when I said that European women lie out in the sun to darken theirs.

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        • Scroblene says:

          They did one on Michael Jackson didn’t they?

             8 likes

    • Jeff says:

      Actually Brissles, the phrase Greg Dyke used was really offensive. He said the BBC was “hideously white.” It’s an extraordinarily unpleasant term to use, don’t you think? And why would anyone use such a pejorative phrase to suggest that there weren’t many minorities working for the Beeb? No-one would ever use such a description with any other group. Can you imagine if they did? Imagine some misguided soul saying “Mecca is horrendously Islamic”! He wouldn’t just be out of a job, he’d be arranging his own funeral service.
      Dyke and his ilk are suffering from a clear case of inverted racism.
      It’s reached epidemic proportions among lefties…

         30 likes

  20. Thatcherrevolutionary says:

    I know it’s mentioned above, but last night I saw a very angry-faced Amber Rudd lay into some ‘extremist right-wing’ group about banning them under terrorism laws.
    If I had seen just 1% of that anger directed at the Islamic perpetrators of the 1400 raped children in Rotherham, I might have thought you had a point.
    Absolute shitehouse.

       78 likes

    • Cranmer says:

      I noticed that on R4 news yesterday the ‘right wing’ group was named and their ideology mentioned in some detail. Meanwhile in the same news bulletin the ‘group of men arrested for alleged terrorist activity’ was not given a name nor was their ideological stance mentioned in the slightest.

      The thing is, we know that when the BBC does this, it nearly always means Muslims. But how many others in the listening public notice this?

         26 likes

      • gaxvil says:

        I reckon most things go by thirds. A third notices and is okay with it,
        a third notices and is concerned, a third don’t know or don’t care.

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  21. seismicboy says:

    The price of Xmas dinner has gone up.
    Mainly, it seems, due to the increase in the price of butter in Xmas puds.
    Ready for a bit of nostalgia?
    EU’s ‘butter mountain’ costs taxpayers £236m
    And something more recent?
    Moves to aid farmers as butter mountains return to EU
    To be specific, and this was as recently as March this year, “Europe’s dairy farmers are facing mounting losses on the back of tanking world prices”
    So why have we not got cheap butter?
    The sooner we get out of this abortion that is the EU the better.
    We’re not bad at making butter in the UK as I recall

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  22. Invicta 1066 says:

    Is anyone else tired of the BBC continuing run of the poor little chubby Dianne Abbott advert? The one where she claims she was accused of copying something.
    How about a three weeks of daily DB plugs about her comments on not wanting white nurses to be recruited to work in hospitals in her part of London because they could not possibly understand the needs or culture of black patients?
    Or they could show a few schools in her her constituency and then cut to the posh private one where she sent her own offspring, with her shown holding up a banner with word “hypocrite” on it.
    Just asking for some balance from the BBC.

       36 likes

    • BRISSLES says:

      Invicta 1066 ….they could not possibly understand the needs or culture of black patients?..

      AND someone should tell her that it works bothways ! many years ago I had ‘lady’ treatment in a London hospital mainly staffed by black nurses. Sadly I was administered to by the nurse from hell – I think she was a prison guard in another life. I was roughly handled, spoken to in West Indian patois in a derogatory manner, and was generally unpleasant. An experience I shall never forget.

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  23. G says:

    In the UK we are well on the way to fulfilling the Muslim plan to halt kaffirs making any comment or criticism of the Cult of Submission. But, in Europe, they are well ahead of us and tightening up all the more as every week evolves –
    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9525/europe-illegal-criticize-islam

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    • gaxvil says:

      Disconnecting from Europe won’t fix it but it will help. Actually, I feel comforted that we’re on one side of Europe and Russia is on the other.
      We have plenty in common with Judeo Christian Russia.

         18 likes

      • Beltane says:

        It’s incredible to me that of all the gifted social commentators we rely on so heavily, none seem to realise that Trump’s impending rapprochement with Putin might just be intended to form an effective bulwark against islam. Someone has to take the initiative. Multiculturalism in general and Merkel’s in particular are not simply a spectacular failure, the thinking behind the concepts will, quite possibly sooner than later, result in a collapse of the very society that has, perhaps with the best of intentions, conceived, cultivated and conspired in its own downfall.

           27 likes

        • gaxvil says:

          Maybe they just don’t see moves to remove crosses from Cenotaphs or even Christmas trees etc., as an indicator of the trouble in store?
          More likely that they just need their pay check.

             11 likes

  24. G says:

    First heard on the Blatant Bias Corporation’s News programme? No fear!

    Coming to a town or city near you – very shortly!
    https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/12/saudi-religious-police-arrest-woman-for-going-out-in-public-unveiled

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  25. Jeff says:

    Someone has already mentioned the revolting news that “FGM”parties” are taking place across England. According to the report “midwives” are being flown in from Africa to carry out the illegal operation. Midwives? Butchers, more like!
    The whole concept makes me shudder.God’s teeth what sort of barbarians could ever consider doing this to a young girl? It utterly beggars belief.
    The latest NHS figures suggest that more than 8,000 women across England have been subjected to this horrific mutilation.
    As has already been said, there is no mention of the peaceful religion behind this sinful, uncivilised and brutal procedure.
    Still, no need to worry. The West Yorkshire Police say they are aware of these reports and are on the case.
    Oh dear…

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  26. AsISeeIt says:

    BBC Pryce Inflation

    BBC Business news presenter to (ex-con) Vicky Pryce:

    “Given the rise in price inflation and the fact that we are near full-employment is it not strange that wages are not being predicted to rise – because economics tells us that they should?”

    Our Vicky ducked and dived that one. She was of course at pains to bang on about inflation hurting the lowest paid but not willing to mention the fact that given our open door immigration policy we have no such thing as full-employment and never can have. Lower wage-earners have no bargaining power at all.

    BBC experts talking about low pay is like trying to explain to a child where she comes from without mentioning sex.

       22 likes

    • Grant says:

      As,

      The BBC do not do economics, finance, banking, taxation or anything in that field. By the way, if Vicky Price was a Tory would she ever be on the BBC ?

         16 likes

      • Scroblene says:

        I don’t think they do sex either, they seem to know a hundred ways to have sex, but don’t know any women/men…

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    • Dave S says:

      This is a major reason the elite was so upset at Brexit. Unskilled and low skilled jobs (particularly service jobs) are now so numerous that any wage rises would hurt the vast profits the elite is making. At the same time the high paying jobs are being outsourced if possible so that the same elite can continue to rake it in. If there was one reason Trump was elected it is that the same thing is occurring in the US and the voters have had enough.
      Added to this the total disconnect that has overcome our entitled classes who really believe that they are poor on 50,000 plus a year and it is a recipe for revolt.

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  27. gaxvil says:

    Obama, Clinton and Brexit deniers all share the same mentality – one thought, one response and brainwashed, cultist, intolerance.
    It is sad that they don’t want their countries to thrive. In fact, they would prefer disaster to befall us in order to feel justified in their own beliefs. The level of blind fanaticism does put them in the same kind of mind-set as ISIS, who they seem loath to condemn. Very strange indeed.

       20 likes

    • Grant says:

      gax,

      It is a complete inability do distinguish between good and evil and with no care of the consequences of evil unless it is the kind of evil they don’t like. They have no humanity.

         17 likes

      • Stella2 says:

        Yes, Grant. “Humanity” – that’s a word I’ve been using increasingly when thinking about the current Orwellian world we live in, where the BBC/Guardian/student axis thinks listening to the views of the common sense majority and trying to respect those views is a “far-Right” activity.

        Where is the humanity in using millions of poor and displaced people as pawns in the great socialist experiment? Of destroying and undermining whole countries whether by war or by stealth such as the anti-democratic EU project? Surely these intellectual titans can see what has happened wherever Communism has suppressed individual choices, debate, opportunity, all under the guise of delivering us to the sunny uplands of progress?

        Those who claim to “care” most, are those who inflict the most damage on us.

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        • Grant says:

          Stella,

          So true. Your last sentence sums it up. The Left do not care how many millions die and suffer in the cause of their perverted ideology. So long as it is not them.

          They put an idea above humanity.

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  28. chrisH says:

    Noted that the death of AA Gill wasn`t allowed to go without the BBC squauking on about the lack of drugs that NICE will pay for to deal with cancer.
    AA Gills last article said that-after some time, it`s true-he DID get the drug he wanted.
    But the BBC would rather you NOT know that-hardly suits the Jeremy Hunt Hunt does it?
    Story petered out like a damp faggot early yesterday evening-but not before the BBC had surfed his cadaver to trash Big Pharma and Hunt, but slurping at the bureaucratic scandals and cover ups of NHS maladministration(that the BBC never like to tell us about, this being Labours NHS of course).
    Liars.

       20 likes

    • RJ says:

      He was very good at summing up BBC programmes in short phrases. My favourite was his description of a BBC 4 series with Claire Balding on a cycle tour of Britain – Dike on a Bike.

         15 likes

    • scribblingscribe says:

      As a ‘steadfast NHS supporter,’ AA Gill used Harley Street for most services and his doctor was a private physician, also based in Harley Street. If I could afford Harley Street prices I’d rave about the NHS too.

      Gill’s narrative centered on the UK being the worst place to get cancer because of the lethal wait to be seen by a specialist and then for treatment. The Times decorated the piece in the magazine with a picture of Europe and the various cancer survival rates. The UK were bottom with Nicola Sturgeon’s SNP unsurprisingly bringing up the rear within the UK.

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  29. MartinW says:

    So apparently there’s a ‘massacre’ in East Aleppo. Unfortunately, the BBC has thus far been unable, in all its bulletins that I have heard today, to give any clue as to who exactly is doing the slaughter. Perhaps, however, it is the case of the BBC being very careful not to explain who is doing it, since it is their friends ‘the rebels’.

       30 likes

  30. Flawedlogic says:

    It amazes me how the BBC allows the RMT and ASLEF Unions to spout their lies without querying them.

    I have been suffering the despicable strike action that 200 guards on-board Southern trains have inflicted on innocent commuters for the majority of the year, the RMT and ASLEF claim that Driver Only Trains (DOO) are unsafe, however, the facts show otherwise and that DOO have been in operation for almost a decade without a serious incident, unlike the current trains used by Southern Rail.

    In the unlikely event that a Union spokesperson is challenged they will then claim that Southern Rail are not going to have a 2nd member of train crew on-board, again this is false and again is allowed to be repeated unchallenged.

    The BBC in it’s wisdom carried out a survey which it was claimed showed that 74% of commuters were unhappy with the guards having their roles changed, a little bit of digging showed that the respondents of this survey were RMT activists!

    It is also apparent that the real reason for this strike and others is to nationalise the railway (god forbid) and is why Sadiq Khan is so keen on supporting the workshy strikers.

    How can it be right that 600,000 commuters are having their work/home lives shattered by the actions of such a small group? and how can it be right that the BBC will have us all believe that the RMT/ASLEF are striking for safety issues when no safety issues actually exist?

    We should also remember that there have been no fatalities on the railway in over a decade, and that apart from the strikes the biggest other factor for cancelled / delayed trains is down to Network Rail which of course is not a Private Company and is another bloated Public Sector entity.

    DOO are used by many other countries and even other train groups in the UK and have an exemplary safety record and the on-board conductors are no longer responsible for opening / closing the doors…it would be laughable if it was not so bloody frustrating.

       17 likes

    • Alicia Sinclair says:

      Like the junior doctors-the BBC will always side with the anti-Tory unions or rentagobs.
      Less so when Labour were in power-the fire brigades, lorry drivers got little sympathy from the BBC at the time.
      You can always tell-they simply give no context to why the doctors or drivers chose to strike, nor how much they`re getting paid to hold the sick or commuting to ransom as they do.
      Always one sided boss bashing crap-and blameless unions.

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  31. StewGreen says:

    R4 drama now just mentioned Norwegian ski area killing
    One old character speaks “We didn’t have this stuff before all those Achmads came, that’s where you need to look”

    The dead guy is a Moroccan immigrant.

       4 likes

    • StewGreen says:

      Lillehammer affair – Wikipedia
      The Lillehammer affair was the killing by Mossad agents of Ahmed Bouchiki, …. People killed in Mossad operations ·

         2 likes

      • StewGreen says:

        The Israeli agents had mistaken their target for Ali Hassan Salameh, the chief of operations for Black September. Six of the Mossad team of fifteen were captured and convicted of complicity in the killing

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        • nogginator says:

          Yep! … stuck in traffic, in time to hear Al BBC R4 propaganda radio
          re …
          Israel – “yet another Mossad attack”, (terrorist)
          “and of course they always deny it”, (liars)
          and of course “they ll be going home to heroes welcome”. (heartless)
          meanwhile
          Muslim – One mother (don t know if a violin was playing), has to learn to live alone, without her husband
          BBC, some things never change

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    • gaxvil says:

      “R4 drama now just mentioned Norwegian ski area killing”
      Just who does the BBC think is interested in their vile dramas and one joke, same joke comedy?

         4 likes

      • StewGreen says:

        The drama was a waste of time, ithyd fizzled into social drama of chief cop leaving her husband and warring with her Nazi-colaborator father.
        I’m just guessing it ticked all the boxes in the budget meeting
        : Paints Mossad/Israel in a bad light, doesn’t criticise Muslims, features woman police chief so let’s give the writer £2,000.

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  32. Peter Grimes says:

    Youngish French couple of African heritage come to UK in 2014. Bells ringing.

    She studies as a beautician at Newcastle Uni. Bring, bring.

    He is HIV positive and a nutter. Bring, bring, bring.

    He is convicted and we will now keep him for life having had the expense of his trial. Bring, bring, bring, bring!

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4028214/Man-strangled-beauty-student-girlfriend-28-knickers.html

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  33. Sluff says:

    Peter Grimes – slightly related to your post.
    Going through my late mother’s belongings today, I came upon her NHS Medical Card dated December 1952. The NHS was in its infancy.
    Here is paragraph 1 of the general information.
    Remember this is the NHS in 1952.
    Quote ” This card shows the name of the doctor who has arranged to give you general medical treatment under the NHS. It should be shown to him if he asks to see it. If it is not produced, the doctor may charge you a fee for which he will give you an official receipt. This receipt form contains instructions for the recovery of the fee “.

    So back in 1952 the concept of proof of entitlement for free care at the point of delivery was enshrined in the early NHS, and not only that, but all the legislation was done by a Labour government.

    Contrast that with the health tourism, open door immigration, International Health Service we now provide, supported by the likes of Dianne Flabbott et al, plus the attitude of the BMA, which is that they are not a part of the Border Agency.

    When did Socialism transition in the UK from the provision of useful services for its own citizens to an unlimited world level free-for-all, courtesy of the UK taxpayer?

       38 likes

    • Peter Grimes says:

      “When did Socialism transition to an unlimited world level free-for-all, courtesy if the UK taxpayer?”

      About the same time that one Gordon Brown slunk off to Brussels to sign the Lisbon Treaty. The Lisbon Treaty by which Brown acquiesced in the enshrinement of entitlement of EU nationals to come here, not to work as was the original ‘freedom’, but to claim benefits. This was thanks to a series of ECJ judgements against us and others, and against common sense.

         26 likes

    • Beltane says:

      When we recognised the depth of apology and abasement needed to excuse the creation and successful management of the world’s greatest empire Sluff – but there’s no paperwork on the decision. Gaitskell, Crosman and Benn were instrumental but they seem to have omitted the details from their memoirs.

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    • Cranmer says:

      The early days of the welfare state were pretty strict and frugal – the whole thing was based not so much on socialism but on the ‘friendly societies’, christmas clubs and penny insurance policies of the nineteenth centuries. It was widely understood that you had to ‘pay your stamp’ to be eligible. I believe the modern concept of welfarism – ie, state charity doled out willy-nilly from a seemingly bottomless public purse regardless of nationality or contribution – came about as part of the hard-left cultural revolution of the late 1960s.

         23 likes

      • Andrew Caplan says:

        I recall hearing stories about the early days of the NHS. Apparently, people used to demand cotton wool for Christmas decorations and claim it was their “right”.

        This is probably apocryphal because, as far as I’m aware, the NHS has never supplied cotton wool on demand. However, genuine or not, it does perhaps suggest some awareness of the start of the age of rights, and something-for-nothing entitlement.

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    • Sir_Arthur_Strebe-Grebling says:

      Lefties always insist that the NHS has to be a monopoly run by the state. Yet Bevan’s 1946 Act of Parliament establishing the NHS starts by saying “It shall be the duty of the Minister of Health … to provide or secure the effective provision of services …”. Even Bevan, the leftiest of all lefties, recognised that government did not have to provide the NHS services, and could get them from elsewhere.
      This is what Burnham and his fellow-liars now call ‘privatisation’.

         15 likes

      • RJ says:

        SASG, the principle still applies (in part). GPs are independent contractors. They provide a service to NHS patients, but they are not NHS employees. Each “GP Practice” is a business and if it has several GPs they are partners in that business.

        It does get more complicated when hospital consultants work part time for the NHS and part time for a private hospital. They can see patients for a private consultation and then refer them for NHS treatment, or they can see people as NHS patients and because of NHS waiting times treat them in the private hospital either as private patients or at NHS expense. Their decisions are subject to scrutiny but there is a question of conflict of interest.

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  34. StewGreen says:

    People commented about the war game show on BBC4 last night that not surprisingly every single face of 30 was male and the elephant in the room was that each of them had to suppress blurting out when talking to the ‘female’ expert , “but you are so obviously a 6ft man in a dress, your forehead starts at the top of your head.”
    Nothing against tranvestites but this suppression of comment about that strange situation is weird.

       10 likes

  35. StewGreen says:

    Times Newsbites

    Excellent point on why you rule out a second referendum.
    What would happen is that the EU would have the incentive to a crappy deal in order to secure a NO vote in the second referendum.

    All hail President Maduro of Venezuela, there a rumouur capitalist toy wholesalers would charge more before Christmas than at other times, so he’s confiscated 3m toys to hand out.
    We’ll see how that works out next year.

    Over 10 years 20 billionaires hope to build green energy fund of $20bn
    (… hmm in that time the world will have spent $60,000 billion on fuels. $6trn/year)

       6 likes

  36. StewGreen says:

    R4 now more Virtue Signalling
    You now how kids shout out at you, cos you look a little bit different : got red hair or wear a hat or wear bicycle clips or braces or something… that’s only the same about a lot of things called trolling these days.
    But this prog has put on 4 individuals being trolled… but not a hint of the masses of kneejerk hate trolling from Leftmob people against anything UKIP, Brexit, Trump or anyone daring to challenge Lefty values.
    It’s the BBC what do you expect ?

       18 likes

    • StewGreen says:

      The MP said it was good that Twitter dealt with people that shouted-out Rape-Threats against her.. but then didn’t do anything about people who tweeted “I am not going to rape you”
      Isn’t that the point about Twitter,that people can tweet compliments at you, but they can shout raspberries at you aswell.
      The typical leftmob people certainly tweet enough insults out themselves.

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  37. nogginator says:

    BBC Radio 4 News – Alleppo – One of the opening statements “These rebel freedom fighters are called terrorists, but of course that is not the case”.
    “Syrian pro-government forces entering homes killing all inside, including women and children”
    and with what’s happening in those rebel areas? … “We’re filled with the deepest foreboding for those who remain in this last hellish corner of Aleppo” bleats our beebot.
    Assad Spit! … The Russians … Putin Boo!, BOO!, HISS!

    Just heard the Tories resident foreign office f-ckwit – Boris “Worzel” Johnson going
    “full retard” on the TV news
    … never go full retard Bojo ,,, Ch4 News/Jonny Snow later can you even imagine?

    Hmmm the UN? … erm was it only the other day?
    for history to be altered so much? it is the terrori oops “rebels” who will not surrender, even wheeling out the dubious “white helmets” spokesman.
    Only the other day … its a long time in politics
    Not being heartless … but we need objective facts!

       19 likes

    • JimS says:

      The ‘facts’ are that the BBC’s boys are losing.

      Miliband
      Salmond
      Cameron
      Clinton
      ISIS

      Their boys are taking a hell of a beating.

      Isn’t it time that they came over ‘to the light’ instead of promoting every pervision and abnormality going?

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    • RJ says:

      The Toady programme made a major slip-up on Aleppo a few weeks ago. The thrust of the story was that the evil Syrian government (or the Russians) had bombed the water treatment plant that supplied water to non-government part of the city, therby inflicting suffering on the poor civilians. Their mistake was that their interviewee knew what he was talking about – he had been ambassador to Syria. He pointed out that the treatment plant had supplied water to the whole of the city, and so had been safe from attack, until the terrorists had cut off all water supplies to the government held areas. The government’s response has been to cause an equality of suffering by destroying the treatment plant, on the principle of share or do without.

      I haven’t heard him on the BBC since that interview.

         17 likes

  38. Sir_Arthur_Strebe-Grebling says:

    The bBBC doesn’t seem to have found space to report the interesting news that scientists have discovered that most future criminals can be identified at the age of three.
    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/three-year-olds-can-be-identified-as-criminals-of-the-future-5vwwf8lkq
    I’m sure that many of us could identify future criminals at a quick glance as well.

       17 likes

  39. gaxvil says:

    Can someone with greater insight than me (not difficult) please, for the love of Mike, explain why they (you know who) love Muslims. Not Sikhs, Hindus, Christians or a myriad others – just Muslims?

       20 likes

    • Grant says:

      gax,

      It is a mystery. A kind of perversion, masochism, death wish . I really do not know .

         12 likes

    • Cranmer says:

      Gaxvil, it’s been discussed quite a lot on here. The current manifestation of media Islamophilia seems to be a mixture of:

      1. Fear/appeasement
      2. ‘My enemy’s enemy is my friend’ – enemies of the west, particuarly the USA, are to be admired
      3. A liking for rigid, dogmatic belief systems which are no longer to be found in their previous incarnations of nonconformist Christianity or state communism.

         21 likes

    • embolden says:

      The BBC (amongst others) are frightened of islam and not frightened of the other groups.

      Hence they feel the need to appease the group they are frightened of.

      They are ashamed and embarrassed about being afraid of islams standpoints on women, gays and non muslims in general, as this comes into conflict with their ideological positions on race and respecting multicultural “otherness” so they transfer their fear onto others whom they now call “islamophobes” as everyone knows that islam is not a race.

      Then there`s the influence of Gulf state money…..

         30 likes

      • gaxvil says:

        G,C&E, That so many are so conflicted and afraid leading to this irrational behaviour while many others are completely comfortable with this movement is surely reminiscent of the rise of the Nazis.

           1 likes

    • Thatcherrevolutionary says:

      Who else blows people up?

         15 likes

    • RJ says:

      Deleted. Embolden has made the same point at 4.41, but I hadn’t read far enough through the thread.

         1 likes

  40. Grant says:

    Not BBC bias but pure inaccuracy. BBC website reports that , in Gambia , President Elect Barrow and President Buhari of Nigeria are meeting today at Coco Ocean Hotel in Gambia. ( NB, this is the most expensive and best hotel in Gambia, just 10 minutes drive from my house ). But the BBC say ” a hotel in Serekunda on the coast “.

    Serekunda is the largest town in Gambia and a total slum and it is not on the coast. Coco Ocean is right on the sea and is in Bijilo which is one of the most up market areas. If the BBC can’t get something as simple as that right, how can they be trusted with anything ?

       33 likes

    • Rob in Cheshire says:

      “If the BBC can’t get something as simple as that right, how can they be trusted with anything ?”

      They can’t.

         19 likes

      • Grant says:

        Rob,

        Exactly ! I have always found that, when the BBC “report” on anything which I have any knowledge about, they get it wrong .

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        • RJ says:

          “Serekunda is the largest town in Gambia and a total slum and it is not on the coast. Coco Ocean is right on the sea and is in Bijilo which is one of the most up market areas.”

          Grant, this is an inexplicable mistake. We are talking about the BBC, and so while they will know nothing about Serekunda they will have an encyclopedic knowledge of Bijilo.

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          • Grant says:

            RJ,

            LOL ! Spot on ! I can find spoilt Beeboid brats a nice place to stay in Serekunda. I did it. They will love no running water, no electricity, no Latte cafe , rats, cockroaches , etc. I would love to see Beeboid wankers there !

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  41. nogginator says:

    Bigoted. Nasty. Cynical. The BBC’s ‘Muslim Big Brother’ – including a zealous convert who would ‘rather be in Syria than Britain’- won’t unite cultures, it’ll divide them . Mail
    Muslim TV housemate sparks anger following outrageous claims on new BBC Two documentary . Express
    BBC production chief Anthony Small has to defend his decision etc . Telegraph
    Muslims Like Us divides angry TV viewers who accuse BBC of ‘sinking to a new low’. Scot Sun
    Hmmm … seems to be going down well
    More successful, Islamophile programming BBC 😀

    “A woman in an elegant headscarf, knotted almost like a turban, is explaining her beliefs. Her name is Humaira and she is, she says, a sort of ‘radical moderate’. She seems articulate, educated, rational.
    And then her throat tightens, and she adds: ‘British values for me are colonialism, institutional racism and theft, and genocide.’ The disturbing fact is that Humaira really is one of the more moderate voices in Muslims Like Us, the two-part BBC2 reality show that puts ten Muslims in a house”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4026804/Bigoted-Nasty-Cynical-BBC-s-Muslim-Big-Brother-won-t-unite-cultures-ll-divide-CHRISTOPHER-STEVENS-reviews-reality-TV-Muslims-Like-Us.

    If there is one thing it may show, is the never ending Islamic victim mentality .. and a dangerous “herd” like penchant among its adherents

       28 likes

    • BRISSLES says:

      And its made by Love Productions – those responsible for Benefit Street, and Gt British Bake Off. Clearly a company that’s coining it in.

         14 likes

    • Oaknash says:

      Noggin boy – Fortunately not having a telly I did not get to enjoy it!

      The obvious repost to bitter and ungrateful individuals such as Humaria would be to say “if our society and values are really that bad then please bugger off to Pakistan or Saudi or some other peaceful idyllic Islamic nation” where she can indulge her bitterness with like minded mullahs, maybe get married to someone 40 years older, and if she is very lucky – she may even get beaten with a small rod regularly (and get a nice burqa to wear)

      Sounds as if this whole programme is designed to be deliberately provocative so when we come out with similar comments to what I have said above – it proves that we are all evil islamikyfobees (I cant even be bothered to spell it right) and if we think it but dont say it – we have been mentally subjugated. And if we dont even think it then God help us!

      Absolutely pathetic but also quite frightening that our cowardly state broadcaster is such a willing soldier to do the bidding of these devious nazis who live among us yet hate our society and culture so much.

      It has taken hundreds of years to create a society which has a modicum of respect for women, other religions, cultures and generally try to act in a humanitarian fashion and our “national treasure” state broadcaster is willing to act like an obsequious lacky/handmaiden to aggressive advocates of the Religion of Peace.

      All for what a few multiculty smarty points – W#####rs!

         16 likes

  42. Guest Who says:

    Guessing, with such dubiously confirmed sourcing, our Ben will be the Editor’s choice of gob du jour with this one, unless a sliver of integrity remains in the news room, or shudders at the McAlpine FUBAR, and he has to call in a few favours with Head of Everything and ex colleague in more ways than one, James Purnell.

    Could be going better in the comments given it is such a daft punt with little tangible behind it.

       30 likes

    • Grant says:

      Guest,

      ” Gob de jour ” ! Indeed. Why are has-been Lefty failures like Ben crawling out of the woodwork and blaming Russia for everything ? OK, they still have not got over the fall of their beloved Soviet Union. But the world has moved on .

         15 likes

    • Lobster says:

      At the expense of appearing a bit dim, can someone explain to me exactly how Russia “interfered” in a ballot which uses paper voting slips which are checked against the electoral register? Were the ballot boxes sent to Moscow for the votes to be counted then?

         32 likes

      • Grant says:

        Lobbie,

        I am trying to be polite. But why are you so thick compared with the genius of wee Ben Bradshaw ? Obviously he knows something that you do not and he will produce his evidence in due course. Err……………

           16 likes

        • RJ says:

          The evidence is that Leave’s Boris Bus was painted red. Clearly a communist plot to mislead the proletariat.

          Luckily Little Ben spotted it – or has he been smoking leaves he bought from Weed?

             10 likes

      • Lobster says:

        Great comment about this on Guido:

        Grumpy_Northerner • an hour ago

        There was foreign interference in the Referendum, I remember the President of the United States threatening that we’d be ‘at the back of the queue’ if we voted leave.

        I don’t remember Putin threatening us.

           16 likes

    • EUTV says:

      Let me guess, the Russians wanted a leave-vote and at some point we’ll hear that there were 2 million discreditted leave-votes.

      I wonder if the CIA interfered, they said they didn’t but they would, wouldn’t they?

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  43. StewGreen says:

    “Oh but there’ll be no one to harvest the UK crops without foreign labour”
    Let’s knock this crap on the head.

    In this village you could get 300 people to work tmw morning just using the teenagers and able bodied pensioners.. probably 500 actually.
    The thing is the gang masters don’t look for locals.
    Second thing is we’ve taken millions out of labour market by saying kids have to stay at school until 18 and have a right to go to uni.

    A good gangmaster could target UK youth. Ive met hop-picking students before having an adventure spending summer holidays sleeping in a bunkhouse getting up early then partying after or on rainy days.
    These days it would be cheaper to hire British youth than adult Poles.

    My guess is that gang masters often currently go for foreigners/illegals cos they can screw money back off them by charging ridiculous accommodation fees etc. cos the biz is not properly policed.
    Here you could recruit university clubs to do man management for you, eg good way for Rugby Club to build funds and team.

       31 likes

    • Blackcap says:

      Time was before our EU membership that people from Europe would come over for the seasons to do the work, but the difference was that they went home again! They didn’t bring the family, and demand housing, schools, NHS. They weren’t entitled.

         18 likes

  44. Umbongo says:

    Just an observation and a warning for the future: on Monday the Swiss parliament “interpreted” a clear 2014 referendum decision to “stop mass immigration from the EU” by legislating an “immigration control lite” solution. To quote the article in the English language Swiss Local “the new law is a hugely watered down version of the ‘against mass immigration’ initiative voted for back in 2014”.

    This is an object lesson in how easy it is for the political class to overcome the expressed will of the electorate by legislative chicanery. Coming closer to home, the Remainer solution to the problem created (for them) by the June referendum – a “soft” brexit – implies a copy of the Swiss blueprint. Eventually, something will be manoeuvred through Parliament but, whatever it is, it won’t be brexit. Rather, it will be a device to ensure that although we’ll not technically be a member of the EU club, we’ll stay subject to its rules but with even less capacity to resist them.

       18 likes

    • RJ says:

      Umbongo, I agree with your interpretation of the implications for Brexit, but if the Swiss government has watered down the referendum decision they could be in trouble. The Swiss people have not been pacified and disarmed like the rest of Europe’s population.

      For a short and entertaining read on the Swiss, but not for your maiden aunt, try this:

      http://www.badassoftheweek.com/index.cgi?id=31684493594

      As a taster, the second paragraph reads:

      “The reason the Swiss have had the luxury of being neutral through two World Wars and a Franco-Prussian conflict is because these guys are so over-the-top hardcore badass as hell that nobody would dare screw with them. They’re a tough-as-shit, patriotic population with one simple rule of war – if you come into Swiss territory, we will show you No Quarter, take no prisoners, and kill every last motherhumping invader who would dare set foot on our soil. Every single man in Switzerland has been given hardcore professional militia training, been handed a government-issued SiG-550 assault rifle, taught how to use it in live-fire exercises, and keeps it in his home just in case anyone ever decides to step to his country’s Badass Neutrality clause. The idea is simple – don’t step to us, and we won’t bash your head in with a magazine full of 5.56mm NATO ammunition.”

      To slightly change the subject, did the BBC ever tell us the name of “the man” on the Swiss train who had problems with his penknife?

         16 likes

    • Rob in Cheshire says:

      Switzerland’s problem is that it has a free trade agreement with the EU, negotiated over several years, in which they conceded “freedom of movement”. The result is that the foreign population of Switzerland is now over 20%, and the Swiss people have had enough.

      Unfortunately, the Swiss government cannot just nullify the free movement clause of the free trade treaty, because the EU will not let them. If the Swiss try and back out of free movement, the EU will cancel the whole treaty, and Switzerland will have to trade with the EU on WTO rules. This prospect horrifies the Swiss government, hence they are trying to wriggle out of the referendum result. Will they succeed? Time will tell. I think they won’t. I certainly hope the Swiss people stand up for their national sovereignty. They have found out that if you do not have borders, it does not take long before you have no country.

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  45. Guest Who says:

    All very ‘Rogue’….George Lucas will be happy:

    ***
    Breaking News
    Syria rebels ‘to leave east Aleppo’

    Deal agreed for Syria rebel fighters to leave eastern Aleppo – Russian ambassador to UN

    For more details, see the BBC News website

    ***

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  46. Dover Sentry says:

    BBC Online News:

    “”Inauguration blues: Why pop stars won’t play for Trump””

    “”Reports from the US suggest Donald Trump is struggling to find A-list stars to perform at his inauguration””

    “”They’re calling managers, agents, everyone in town to see who they can get and it’s been problematic,” an unnamed source…””

    “”Creative people tend to reject bigotry and hate,” he (John Legend) told the BBC””

    “”We tend to be more liberal-minded. When we see somebody that’s preaching division and hate and bigotry, it’s unlikely he’ll get a lot of creative people that want to be associated with him.””

    “”A lot of artists out there have been very pro-Hillary and anti-Donald. So I would never do it and most other smart people wouldn’t do it””

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-38298215

    Does anybody think that Donald Trump is bothered by this ‘non-story’ which borders on ‘fake news’.

    But it allows the BBC another stab at their anti-Christ named Trump.

       22 likes

    • Al Shubtill says:

      This chap will play for Trump, no problem.

         5 likes

    • Alicia Sinclair says:

      The likes of John Legend refuse to face up to the fact that they`d be boycotted, get hate mail and be unemployed if they so much as displayed ANY support for Trump.
      It`s called Liberal Fascism and is really McCarthyism 2016 from the left.
      See what happens when a Kate Bush shows any empathy for Theresa May for example.
      And THESE are the clowns who sing about rebelling, living your own life and being true to yourself.
      Which is why pop is dead as a medium these days.

         23 likes

    • StewGreen says:

      Except I’ve seen musicians play at Trump rallies
      Eg Ted Nugent

      And Billboard reported
      \\
      Garth Brooks is reportedly in discussions to perform at President-elect Donald Trump’s inauguration.
      Brooks’ publicist Nancy Seltzer told Reuters on Friday (Dec. 9), “Garth has performed for the five living presidents…. While rumor has it that he has been asked to perform for President-elect Trump, he has not been able to commit yet//

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  47. Thoughtful says:

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/742717/Migrant-asylum-seeker-refugee-sex-attack-rape-assault-Germany-map-Angela-Merkel-Cologne

    Shocking figures show 2,125 people were sexually assaulted, 199 were raped and and 380 were molested in swimming baths by a combination of refugees or non-German nationals this year.

    There were also 319 murders and attempted murders committed by foreign nationals and migrants in 2016, 14 of which were committed against children.

    Migrants were responsible for 59 terror offences in Angela Merkel’s country since the start of the year and 112 incidents of arson.

    Nothing on the BBC though !

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    • Lobster says:

      “Nothing on the BBC though !”
      Whereas if a member of the BNP got a parking ticket ……

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  48. Thoughtful says:

    Someone put me onto this story which hasn’t been covered much, that Junker of the EU has been telling the elites of Europe that the continent has passed its glory days and is in terminal decline.

    This has been going on for at least two years yet has hardly been reported, and so far as I can tell not on the BBC at all.

    However the last week has seen Junker apparently turned insane. Want to hazard a guess at what Junker thinks is the reason behind the continents terminal decline?

    Government spending? Too much borrowing?, maybe even offshoring manufacturing? perish the thought of too much immigration?

    No! All of these are far too sane for Junker. The reason he claims that Europe is having problems is, and I quote “Mr Juncker said the idea of the European Union is failing because some governments are not following the Commission’s quotas for taking in refugees.”

    Mr Juncker warned that in ten years Europe’s share in the world economy would fall to 15 per cent from the current 25 per cent.
    In 20 years, no European countries would be part of the G7 group of the world’s top seven economies.

    And all the countries of Europe need to do to avoid this devastating future is to take in their quota of refugees!

    Yet the BBC haven’t informed us about this!

    I wonder why not ???

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4017312/European-nations-disappear-unless-unite-Juncker-says.html

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    • JimS says:

      China must be taking in most of the refugees then?

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    • Rob in Cheshire says:

      Juncker is an alcoholic who should not be given any kind of responsibility. The fact that he is so senior in the EU shows you what a pathetic and frivolous organisation it is, sick, corrupt and rotten to the core.

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  49. Dazed and Confused says:

    Collared. Hook line and sinker. Dirty Muslim taxi driver attempting to take advantage of a vulnerable young (white) girl…The police will no doubt arrest the video maker though…

    https://twitter.com/M4TTEROFTIME/status/808775600592867328

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  50. Charlatans says:

    For those unaware about http://www.gab.ai – which already has plenty of threads on the Biased BBC.

    – It is well worth investigating what this new free speech Twitter style, (social media platform), is all about.

    – Read why GAB was started up in response to the likes of FACEBOOK and many others attempting to stifle and censor right wing news.

    Read here why they saw a gap in the free speech market:

    http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/08/23/meet-the-ceo-of-gab-the-free-speech-alternative-to-twitter/

    Basically there is a code of conduct but it is all about free speech.

    Nothing is censored and it is truly free speech space.

    The gab CEO and one of the other Gab bosses did a brilliant BBC interview. Audio version is also on:

    https://www.periscope.tv

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