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The bBC and half a story:
EU nurse applicants drop by 96% since Brexit vote
There has been a sharp drop in the number of nurses registering to work in the UK since the EU referendum, figures suggest. Last July, 1,304 nurses from the EU joined the Nursing and Midwifery Council register. That compares with just 46 in April this year, a fall of 96%.
And here is what the bBC doesn’t tell you, but the nursing times does:
Exclusive: Nursing directors say language test is too difficult and delaying recruitment
Trusts have told Nursing Times they are finding it increasingly difficult to recruit from abroad, because nurses are taking several attempts to pass an English language test that has been criticised for being set too high.
Here is what Eurocivit has to say:
European nurses registering in UK falls by 90% post-Brexit
The number of European nurses registering to work in Britain has fallen by more than 90% since last June’s Brexit vote, according to the British Nursing and Midwifery Council (NMC)…“This is the first sign of a change following the EU referendum and it is our responsibility as the regulator to share these figures with the public,” said Jackie Smith, chief executive of the NMC. However, she stressed that it was not possible to link the fall in registrations with Brexit “definitively”. There are almost 700,000 nurses currently registered in the UK, of which 84.8% are British, 5.6% from the EU and 9.6% from the rest of the world. Other reasons that could explain the decline include the toughening of the English language test in 2016, or the sharp decline of the pound, which has cut wages in euro terms.
Language test?
Research published by Specialist Language Courses (SLC), suggests that the new measures may already be leading to increased nursing shortages. Since 19th January 2016, all new registrations trained in the European Economic Area (EEA) now need to score 7.0 in the international IELTS Academic English language test. SLC’s researchers conducted in-depth interviews with senior professionals working across 9 NHS Trusts and 1 Welsh Health Board to discuss the impact of the changes. The findings have been published in a white paper available to download from the SLC website. The IELTS test is an academic English test originally designed for students who wish to study in English speaking universities at either degree or postgraduate level. The score of 7.0 currently being asked of EEA-trained nurses is the same level of English required by overseas students to study at Oxford or Harvard University….The measures were brought in following a consultation by the Nursing and Midwifery Council (NMC) in summer 2015.
Here is what the bBC had to report last Year on the subject:
EU nurses face English language checks
Nurses and midwives coming to Britain from the EU will now need to prove they are fluent in English, under new rules. Until now, checks have only been applied to nurses outside the EU. It means any nurse who is unable to show they have sufficient language skills will need to have an English language assessment. The move by the Nursing and Midwifery Council brings the profession in line with doctors, who are already vetted in this way for patient safety. The risk of a doctor not being fluent in English was highlighted by a lethal mistake made by Dr Daniel Ubani, a German doctor doing an out-of-hours shift who gave a lethal dose of a painkiller to patient David Gray in 2008.
Oh look people, the bBC lying out its backteeth in which to promote its own political agenda.
The drop in overseas nurses could also be attributed to a) the rise in Islamic terrorism in the UK due to the Liberal lefts weakness or b) the fact that Jeremy Corbyn is an arsehole and is putting off foreign workers coming to the UK.
The BBC will make any “news” fit their agenda.
Another take tabs, no mention on the beeb though.
https://www.nursingtimes.net/news/workforce/exclusive-english-exam-is-barrier-to-overseas-nurses-says-agency/7017493.article?blocktitle=Also-in-the-news&contentID=20275
Excellent post, Pounce.
What? no mention of our failure to train our own nurses in order to finance NHS management.
What? no mention that pulling nurses from abroad deprives their country of nurses.
What? no mention that given all the negative propaganda none want to come here.
What? no mention that the foreign nurses and Doctors can’t find work at home because they are sub optimal.
Agreed
Al beeb at 5pm did a piece on this . Strange that no one said might be a bit dangerous if nurses can’t pass a bloody English test – where ever they are from.
Also – the NHS can’t recruit nurses – could this be because they are earning more money doing the same thing as agency .
I’ve never accepted nursing is a vocation . I have sat in hospitals watching bloody lazy nurses who clearly couldn’t give a toss about patients. Fearing reprisals if one complains – bit like with the rest of the medical mafia .
If you are a medic reading this there’s no apology – the whole health business is self serving , corrupt and over rated from what I have seen .
…Also – the NHS can’t recruit nurses – could this be because they are earning more money doing the same thing as agency . ……
This is a well known fact Fedup. So many sweeping statements about the NHS, but talk to those who have worked in it and a different story emerges, but the media never want to listen.
Its always said in jest that the NHS need more Hattie Jacques in charge, but that is also true. Today’s Matron’s and Ward ‘Managers’ are more interested in wearing a suit and attending meetings with free buffets laid on by the Pharmaceutical reps, than knuckling down and having a decent bedside manner.
The bBBC get £4bn a year yet a few amateurs on this website with the ability to think get closer to the truth than they ever do.
Kids don’t start work at 16 anymore, they go to ‘Yoouni’ until they are 26 studying ‘play time’ degrees.
Cut the numbers in Uni and there are your nurses, plumbers, electricians etc etc.
If you pay the right money you will get your nurses.
A high percentage of those that go to Yuni never complete their courses anyway, so why should I help subsidise those who want to f…rt about for a couple of years. No, keep the fees, or even raise them and that will sort the wheat from the chafe.
BRISSLES
Getting all kids into yooni was Blair’s method of getting the dole figures down.
He has a lot to answer for.
In effect they payed for their own dole.
“On Brexit, he said that there was evidence that “angry” Remain voters had abandoned the Conservatives.”
Do you believe this man?……………
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40251997
“there was evidence” – what evidence ?
Another load of guff!
Europeans come to work in the UK not because they want to help us but because there are a lot of unemployed Europeans, and the wages are higher here.
Nothing stopping them coming after Brexit – they just get a visa as they would from any other country outside the EU.
We have been subject to wholesale propaganda by Al Beeb and the remoaners!
Taff
Slightly off topic but similar woolly thinking was exhibited on R4 Sunday by an ex Irish premier. “Historically the Irish have been emigrants, leaving to work in other countries and build their economies. Ireland has no history of imperialism like the British”.
So all those Irish emigres to the USA went there to help out the poor struggling native Americans, and when their work was done, they returned to the Emerald Isle. Unlike the nasty British.
Let’s hope this situation becomes a direct cause of local people coming off the dole, getting the necessary training to become doctors and nurses! Then there will be no reason to continue to steal medical staff from poor countries around the world.
Of recent times, I have grown to avoid the news from any source. Right now though, the UK must be the laughing stock of the World. Having to cosy up to the Scottish Conservatives and DUP to continue in business is beyond credibility. One things for sure, “Strong and Stable” has become, whichever way you size it up, “Weak and Unstable”. Is this how Treezer intends entering negotiations with the EU? In the circumstances right now, any “negotiations” are likely to be a disaster and whatever the outcome, that will be the perception by the public. Treezers decision making ability is shot to ribbons. It has been leading up to a crunch line for some while now and if any time the UK sailed close to a coup, it is now. The whole system, the politics right down to islam needs a sudden upending or a reboot if you prefer.
The country requires, indeed, demands proper, professional leadership but that ‘aint what we’ve got and we haven’t had that for many decades.
It is a war but this time France is no ally but were they ever? Some guttural German on bbc WS reminded me of old war films. Essentially saying the Euro Empire will strip our assets and we shall face destruction. Sure I detect a bit of needle from the Europeans ably assisted by our own traitors and invaders?
As you say, “professional leadership” – I’m afraid all too often they display less maturity and competence than my Primary school sons.
Well we might be a laughing stock, but we are behind the USA on that front!
Brendan Cox “ligs” it on to Toady again, still flogging the carcass, he s got a new book to sell
Jo Cox – More In Common … (Purpose?), Apparently a story to tell from Syrian refugees to the disenfranchised ya da ya da. So its more of the “she would have wanted me to do this” public reaction. therapy.
Its her “message” etc … oh, and he s advertising the “Great Get Together” a series of parties too, to promote Jo s vision, after her being killed by,”that fascist”
With that in mind, I would have though thought a group comprising Sikhs, Hindu s, LGBT, Jewish , Manchester people, English people, Blacks, Whites, Apostates from Islam and genuine Muslims of conscience, protesting about hate – yesterday?
Would have thought it would have got a Brendan Cox and Al BBC mention
it didn t … but it did get this somewhat misleading headline
BBC News – Arrests after anti-hate clashes
“Bottles and flares were thrown as the UK Against Hate group and counter-demonstrators clashed and police said the protest “turned nasty”. Greater Manchester’s mayor said the police “deserve better”.
Burnham tweeted: “@gmpolice are stretched to limit & in middle of on-going investigation. These EDL-types who came today need to have a look at themselves. “To those saying they weren’t EDL – I honestly don’t care. They still need to take a long, hard look at themselves. @gmpolice deserve better.”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-40240353
I maybe wrong but, surely that is called erm … “diversity” Brendan
Mr Cox’s Twitter feed is full of people telling him to stop using his dead wife’s name to push his personal political agenda. He is a fan of mass immigration because “it’s what she wanted”, he supports the dodgy White Helmets because “it’s what she wanted”, he has written a book to make £mil because “it’s what she wanted”.
Well Mr Cox, “it’s not what we bloody wanted”
We must be due for ‘Jo – the Musical ‘or ‘Jo – the movie film -‘ I know that al Beeb has got an hours worth this week. – while Manchester – London Bridge and ‘enough is enough ‘ is nowhere… until the next time…
Nog,
‘Diversity :- the inclusion of individuals representing more than one national origin, colour, religion, socioeconomic stratum, sexual orientation, etc.’
‘I maybe wrong but,’. No, you’re not wrong.
Headlines that read, ‘Hate crimes in Manchester doubled and only,’25 arrests for hate crimes in London’, I would have thought that, given recent events is nothing short of extraordinary. What no GBH, NO KILLING, NO FIRE BOMBING? No! – even one tugged hijab or funny look is unforgivable and an indicator that the ENGLISH are worse than ISIS by a factor of a thousand.
Today watch
Nog – that running order on the al beeb today programme at 0830 was a peach – 2 journos talking to each other about how badly the Conservatives had done by getting more seats than the marxists followed by some girly half wit filosofer who’d obviously had an unhappy love life wingeing about too many white men being painted and stuck up in the two main centres of akademik privilidge that is oxford and Cambridge . Best laugh of the day . Followed by the Cox fella crying into his beer again about his lefty multicultural wife who came to a sticky end because of a ” fascist ” who is a Muslim would have mental problems or a 20 year old whity would have some syndrome which meant he needed help not justice.
That was 25 minutes of albeeb poisoned Blighty and the best I can urge is not to fund the bugger.
What a useless muppet eyebrowed pillock Andy Burnham is.
For one incident, the Manchester bombing, he knows everything about the terrorist to confidently proclaim that he isn’t connected to Islam. Yet on this event, he even acknowledges that he doesn’t know who or what he is talking about yet says they need to take a long hard look at themselves.
If he was any use, or had any balls, he would use exactly the same language towards the religion of peace after the Manchester attack.
What do the likes of Burnham always say after an “Islamic terrorist murder spree”. The jihadis weren’t muslims.
By his logic(??) he shouldn’t care and should ask Muslims to take a long hard look at themselves.
When he was going for the Labour leadership, I recall an embarrassing interview he did in a car. The only conclusion one could draw was, good Lord that bloke is so thick that with effort he could have a job delivering leaflets. Luckily a Mayor job came along.
fuck off back to liverpool burnham you pathetic hypocritical scouse bin dipper
since when could you spot the far right by the turbans they wear
On LBC this morning Labour’s Chukka O Moaner referred to “extreme Brexit” without being challenged by Nick Ferrari.
Have people forgotten that leading up to the referendum there was no concept of a soft, medium or hard Brexit? There was Brexit (clearly stated this meant leaving the SM) or Not Brexit.
Very soon after the result BBC pundits and the msm, in an effort to water down the vote, started to talk in these terms. Taking advantage of the delay in triggering it, the majority of MPs, being remainers, jumped on the bandwagon until it became the norm.
The fact that even the negotiating team is now talking in soft/hard Brexit terms proves how much respect they have for a clear democratic vote.
Now even leavers refer to it as if it was something we voted on.
People have such short memories that it’s quite easy to rewrite history. The BBC and their satellites rely on this. Talk up an idea enough and it becomes a norm. Recent examples … the concept of the younger generation being disadvantaged by the older generation … Labour being the winners of the general election even though they didn’t win … children being able to choose their gender …
In just a year the BBC have successfully turned a simple Stay or Leave into a non-binary concept.
It is difficult for Remainers – they want rule from Belgium, they want a Merkel as their President, they want ‘Britistan’. Anything else just will not do.
JT,
The questions posed in the 2016 Referendum:
“Remain a member of the European Union
or,
Leave the European Union”
Stark choice: no ‘hard’ or ‘soft’ and I don’t think the public saw anything than just, ‘in or ‘out’ for goodness sake. I adopt the Nigel Lawson approach: give the notice, no discussion, leave after two years. Simple. It has only been those two-faced liars such as VTT Farron, Clegg and Soubry who to-all-intents-and-purposes feign support for so-called “Democracy” yet showed their anti-democratic credentials after 23.06.16 who conjured up ‘hard’ and ‘soft’ simply to be obstructive. More fool Treezer for falling for it.
May will enter negotiations either on hands and knees or shouting the odds – neither a good option. Let’s hope she’s going for a long walk in Snowdonia.
It’s like having a referendum on capital punishment. The majority vote in favour and the abolitionists argue that voters did not really want anyone to be killed as a consequence. I suppose you could have a “soft” execution where you let the miscreant dangle on a rope until his heart stops, then resuscitate him.
Brexit means Brexit, my arse.
The use by many of the term ‘extreme Brexit’ does get on my tits. It’s done purely to create negativity and imply that anyone wanting it (and by wanting it I mean simply wanting us to leave the EU under the conditions laid out in the government leaflet that was sent out) needs to be lumped in the same mad, obsessive category as extremist terrorists!
BBBC don’t like binary, look at how many genders they espouse.
More evidence of BBC bias and complicity with Islamic extremists
To be anti, ‘Against Hate’ takes some serious derangement. Quite an achievement.
Gax,
does that work on the same principle as, a negative times a negative = plus?
G,
I guess so. I think you need to think like an SJW but I’m not having a lobotomy any time soon.
So five days earlier the London Jihadis visited a Muslim gym?
Do we have anti diversity gyms then? Gay gyms, trans Afro Caribbean gyms, Catholic gyms ……….. what?
Isn’t it nice to see that the “cash-starved” NHS is using its money wisely?
https://www.expressandstar.com/news/health/2017/06/12/consultant-at-dudleys-russells-hall-hospital-paid-3608-for-one-shift/
Yes Lobbie,
It’s the same old, “There’s no Government money for ………..”.
There’s always money, your quote proves it – it’s where the money goes.
And don’t get me started on poor Doctors and their sixty hours day for poverty wages!
Privatise the bugger ( as long as London is concerned – but I suppose it’s actually the International NHS there). Beveridge would be spinning in his box if he saw what a self serving monster it has become.
Ha!
Before that Tweet the Times printed this on the frontpage
fake tweet from Trump ?
I just hope he does a phone in on Wimmins hour with lady Jenny .
I have seen someone say that they couldn’t find that comment on his Twitter feed.
I haven’t checked it out myself. Perhaps it was deleted?
It may be faked. Someone posted it on Guido’s comment section, I didn’t grab it straight from Twitter.
The BBC… edgy as ever…
BBC Radio 4
Would you consider axe throwing as an alternative to a night in the pub?
At least they said ‘in’, but seems they also leave their sensitivity at the door too.
Comments could be going better, frankly. Can’t imagine why.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p055b8td?
BBC News
How not answering the phone to Donald J. Trump allegedly cost a senior US prosecutor his job.
“Hi… Tony… it’s David/Carole/[insert any BBC staff member not on narrative]. I have just had HR on the line. What’s all this ago…”
[click]
For some reason this appeared on the BBC Radio 4 page:
Owen Jones
Politicians showed contempt for young people. And then young people roared back, and it was glorious. My interview on the Today programme > http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p055dn3w
Not sure they are bothering to even change the heading any more.
Isn’t Owen getting a bit old to be identifying as young? Mind you, his petulant irrational childish tantrums suggest his mental age is still well below his shoe size (imperial).
I’m waiting for the al beeb ” 0wen Jones show” – it would fit in well with toady – or maybe the “Owen Jones thought for the day” – since we get a sickly dose of him on al beeb as it is .
There must be some other hard lefty they could put on – a pretty one maybe .
OT, but goes to ‘reporting’:
http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/radicalised-female-infant-care-assistant-from-pcf-sparkletots-detained-under-isa-for-pro?
Anyone not in Westminster, Scotland Yard, W1A or Salford probably has a fair notion ‘radicalised’ means ‘friends and family peer pressure on top of that nice Uncle’s sermons at the Mosque’, but somehow the establishment still trots it out to create a nice one degree of separation piece of jelly to pin to the wall.
Singapore is one of the best ‘integrated’ countries in the world, and almost any in the population, including Malays, would see themselves first as ‘Singaporean’. The national pride is often difficult to handle.
It is of course not a poor economy, but Lee Kwan Yew also was pretty savvy in many other areas, and public housing is not allowed to err on any one demographic to avoid ghettoisation.
Now, what has emerged to rock even this boat? Especially as Singapore’s overseas forays are not exactly aggressive or intrusive, anywhere.
‘Her parents, both freelance Quranic teachers, and sister had known of her radicalism in 2015, but did not alert the authorities’
Sadiq? Mishal? Krishnan? Tulip?
A [Liebour] Member of Parliament from Liverpool has been barred from a city centre pub for allegedly chanting and standing on the furniture – just days after he was elected.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/youre-barred-liverpools-newest-mp-13171030
Comparing Corbyn to Baldrick
Now that is funny! Thanks for posting it SG.
Is TMay Remain or Brexit ?
BBC ‘Hardtalk’ or some other shite on yesterday lunchtime. Panel of lefties including Owen Jones. He started wittering on about the ‘yoof’ vote and I changed channel to Sky News only to see………………..Owen Jones on Sky wittering about the ‘yoof’ vote.
Bias? What bias?
I was pondering whether any one has done an foi on albeeb to see how many of its staff and speakers avoid paying paye by still have their own company and paying themselves via a dividend to reduce tax.
If the likes of master Owen Jones is paying 40% paye or donating his appearances on al beeb to a charity like The Royal British Legion then let him waste air spouting on about lefty issues . Otherwise send the bugger to al sky .
It was Dateline London, and yes as soon as I saw Owen Jones I wondered why a petulant schoolboy was invited to sit with intelligent grown ups. Perhaps Yasmin had double booked. I did notice that the ignorant little sh..t was checking his phone when someone across the table from him was speaking. He’ll do what he likes when he likes as he has no respect for anyone except his bloody precious LGBT. God Almighty imagine having spawned him as an offspring.
It’s LGBTI now Brissles. I think the “I” stands for “intersex” or something. There will be another letter next week, possibly “C” for “confused”.
RiC, oh goody!
That lets us all in then.
How’s that for the inclusivity of diversity or the diversity of inclusivity?
Rob
There is already a “Q” for Queer, which does in fact mean confused as you suggested.
No rob You’re clearly wrong – it’s
LGBTEE and some other telecom company .
Sorry – I must be something phobic
Whatever it is, its in our face everywhere. Last night on Gt British Menu, one chef was in business with his ‘partner’, and the female chef lived with her ‘wife’. Then on a shopping channel promo we see 2 blokes kissing while taking a selfie. I don’t even know if I’m homophobic or not to be honest, I have a live and let live attitude, but faced with an idealogy I wasn’t brought up with, I find it uncomfortable when faced with images of the society we now live in !
BBC Online News:
“”Has British democracy let its people down?””
“”A weakened government exclusively wooing one small party’s MPs, politicians that 99.4% of the public didn’t vote for – to imagine that this somehow reflects the “will of the people” is self-evidently fanciful.””
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-
In other words, the BBC and the Left consider themselves to have been let down by democracy.
The link should be this
I wish Mark Easton would quit the waffle.
“The defining feature of our democracy, this cornerstone of British values, is that citizens have a participatory role in political and civic life. The people have a voice.
The debate we must have now is how to convince the populace that the United Kingdom does have a democracy that allows that voice to be listened to, understood and acted upon. “
To have a democracy, to have ‘shared values’ requires a demos, a ‘people’. The people that resisted Hitler were one nation with common cause. How can we have a democracy when we have an alien people forced on us, when English isn’t our common language and wearing a bin bag is an enforced ‘British value’?
The truth is that the ‘national’ versus ‘global’ argument is just a choice between which for of collectivist, ‘do what you are told’, socialism. How about examining the freedom versus totaliterian axis? How about giving us campaigning for individual responsibility, for freedom of speech? That is the message that we ought to send to our youth, not as to whether we ‘march together’ under the swastika or the hammer and sickle!
Sorry DS, didn’t see your post. I’ve mirrored it.
No problem. The more the merrier!
So the fact that both:
Gordon Brown in 2010 after his cock-up sounded out the DUP in a desperate attempt to prevent Cameron and Clegg getting into No10
and
Ed Milliband in 2015 before his cock-up sounded out the DUP for support
are not relevant to the discussion on the BBBC?
Bias by omission and obfuscation.
Restroom Mole
Nice one !
Perhaps Maxi can answer that ?
When we were balloted the choice was………….
Remain a member of the European Union
or
Leave the European Union.
Not Hard Brexit, Soft Brexit, Boiled Brexit, Scrambled Brexit or Poached Brexit.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37507129
Bring back Nigel Farage !
But we didn’t know what we were voting for, taffman, Tiny Tim said so. Nigel didn’t agree.
I smell a rat . I think that May has led us “up the swanny” !
UKIP will continue .
As you note a binary choice was put. There was no third way. Either leave or remain, and the country voted leave, and that is the democratic will of the people and the 2015 Government agreed that it would act in accordance with the democratic will of the people once this had been ascertained by the referendum.
The silly slogan Brexit means Brexit, should have been Brexit means Exit, since that is what the people chose.
By way of definition, leave means what is now being termed as a hard Brexit. Why is this? Because the EU is not a tangible object that you can hold in your hand such as a ball. Instead it is an intangible object. It is a concept consisting of its institutions, Conventions, Treaties, Laws and Regulations. To leave the EU necessarily involves quitting each and all of its institutions, Conventions, Treaties, Laws and Regulations. One cannot leave a train by keeping one foot in the carriage, and we will not have left the EU if we remain within any one of its institutions, Conventions, Treaties, Laws and Regulations.
If there is the slightest doubt on this, it was resolved by Project Fear. Project Fear was based on a hard Brexit, and the people rejected Project Leave.
It appears to me that what is now being proposed by a soft Brexit is essentially (perhaps with very slight modification) the deal that Cameron came back with set out on his piece of paper and the deal that Cameron recommended the people should accept. Of course the people rejected that deal, and that is another reason why a soft Brexit is wholly unacceptable.
It seems to me that the UK is rapidly heading towards not being a democratic society. If the government does not deliver on a hard and clean Brexit, we will have ceased to be a democracy and should be seen to be government by a dictatorship. We are essentially descending into the abyss and heading towards becoming like a country such as Iran which is governed by a dictatorship although there are some form of elections.
The government is still not listening to the people – its not looking good !
No wonder they did nothing about Al Beeb’s propaganda.
PS
“Has British democracy let its people down?”
What do you make of this ?……………..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40245805
soft brexit = fake brexit
The bBC its leftwing agenda and why it has to go
Has British democracy let its people down?
No-one voted for a country led by a wounded prime minister, without a clear negotiating position on Brexit with days to go before the talks on our country’s fate begin, having to do humiliating backroom deals to get even the most routine domestic legislation through Parliament. The rest of the world looks on bewildered at Britain’s capacity to turn a huge political challenge into a potential catastrophe. Yes, turnout was the highest since 1997, and there are signs that young people may have participated in larger numbers than in previous elections.These must be encouraging signs for the democratic process.
But almost a third of the electorate still didn’t bother to exercise their democratic right. And for nine out of 10 of those that did last week, the victorious party in their constituency didn’t change.
The bBC, the so called impartial News Service.
Lightweight BBC man Christian Fraser tells us : “I’m blown away by President Macron”
I think Freud might have something to say about that
He will be, once Manny has covered the landscape with wind turbines…
One of the BBC’s favourites, but why?
Mr Macron promised in his campaign:
• Budget savings of €60bn (£51bn; $65bn) in the next five years
• Cutting the number of public servants by 120,000
• Reforming the labour market and generous state pension schemes, bringing them into line with private schemes
Austerity meets ‘Thatcher’?
‘One of the BBC’s favourites, but why?’
He loves the EU
The Euro-trash think they can stick it to us with the ‘Norway Option’ i.e.: we pay just the same but have no say and they continue nicking our stuff.
The Norway option is the worst possible deal. I know a lot about this since I was living in Norway at the time, and I am married to a Norwegian.
Norway is a very rich country because it has a small population. Norway had about the same amount of North Sea oil as did the UK, but it shares this wealth between about 4.5 million people whereas the UK between about 60 million+ people. This means that every Norwegian is about 13 times richer from North Sea Oil compared to the UK citizen. So it is a country awash with money, and run by socialists who are always very happy to spend, the bigger the spending the better, and they have no regard for efficiency or value for money. So one can easily see why they got screwed.
But Norway and Europe is minnow and GIANT situation. Norway wanted to trade into a market of about 700 million (it having no former empire/commonwealth trading partners), so the European market was important to Norway. But the Norwegian market, consisting of only 4.5 million people, was unimportant to Europe. the only attraction was the Norwegian money, and Norway had lots of this, and Europe wanted to get its hands on it. To give an example of how inconsequential the Norwegian market is. One year my brother in law bought the top of the range Jeep Cherokee fully loaded. In the UK that car would have cost about £33,000 whereas in Norway about £100,000. When he bought it there were only 2 cars of that spec imported into Norway. No company gets rich by selling just 2 cars into a country.
So the socialist Norwegian government paid a fortune to get access to the market of 700 million people, and got screwed in the process, and the EU got what they were interested in, ie., loads of money, free movement of their citizens into Norway so that Norway could be further plundered.
We are the very opposite of Norway. We are the EU’s most important trading partner. If they cannot trade with us easily, the European economies that are hovering on the edge of recession will be dragged down into recession. We are really in a very strong position, and we should not be considering anything like the Norway Option.
Excellent post Sanity.
I keep hearing about it, but never understood until now! Thank you!
Sanity
I read somewhere recently, might be on this site, that since joining the EU Britain has accumulated a trade deficit of over £450 billion with the EU. During all of those nearly 45 years, in only one has there been a trade surplus in the UK’s favour.
Now remind me again Remoaners, who benefits most from the UK being in Europe?
Never mind us paying the EU a divorce settlement, we want some of that £450 billion back.
I wonder if the figures include little things like that we should have been fishing in OUR waters and selling fish to THEM, thus benefitting out balance of payments. Instead THEIR fishermen fish in OUR waters and sell our fish to US. That must be worth a few bob over the years
Popeye – I think the situation as regards our fishing waters pretty much sums up how the the EU regards individual countries. It has basically become a “confidence trick” duping willing victims out of their belongings and kidding them that it is for their own good.
Unfortunately for decades most of our mainstream politicians (including May) were happy to go along with this all, because they (or members of their social class) all had their snouts buried deeply into the euro trough. They only got found out because people started to question the sanity of the EU because of their crazy immigrant policies.
Unfortunately due to their own lack of discipline and external political corruption UKIP were fairly easily nuetralised by the Tories. And now we have a situation where politicians and political pundits are all talking about “soft brexit” as if it is the next logical step. With no-one in the cabinet seemingly confidant enough to point out that soft brexit basically means that we will remain within the EU but with even less influence.
The only positive I can see at the moment, is that now many more people are more aware of the advantages of enrichment – it may well be a lot more difficult than it had been in the past for Governments and the BBC to put the immigration genie back into multy kulty bottle. The old “waycist” accusation has lost most of its power and has become more of a cliche used by those with more gob than brain cells.
However where we go from here I would not like to predict but talking to a Mate from Manchester many people there are also getting fed up with the candles and Teddies and if mainstream Government carries on the way it is going – putting the needs of the political class above the needs of everyone else – I think things are closer than the Government realise to getting a little messy.
America declared independence on 4th July 1776. It was a hard independence. If it was a soft independence, then I suppose that would mean that Donald Trump would now be Governor General of the United States of America, representing Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, Queen of America.
This type of soft independence did happen to Australia and Canada, but since 1931, soft independence became symbolic.
Our membership of the EU has only involved the practical loss of independence for the people, but with power for the elite. While the symbolism of the state has remained.
So soft Brexit involves both the people and the elite losing power, and Britain becoming more like a dependent territory of the EU, awaiting the status of full statehood. Which is what the process was designed for, not for gradual leaving the EU, step by step, until we softly become fully independent. Avoiding the hard, brutal, instant and unilateral independence of America and Rhodesia.
But what we need to do is openly lay out our plan for a unilateral “no deal” independence. And then whatever deal exists after two years. Then chose which is best, the “deal on the table” or “no deal”.
In fact if the above was in the Tory manifesto, then all those Labour voters who said they were going to vote Tory for the first time in their lives, due to Brexit. Would not have drained away back to Labour.
Flipping surreal isn’t it ?
There is one objective real world, yet BBC/MSM are so prone to sticking to False narratives thus portraying a false world.
Another nice mess
Theresa May has apologized to Tory MPs for the party’s election performance, telling them “I got us into this mess I’ll get us out of it.”
BBC reports
It’s either Laurel and Hardy or Abbott and Corstello. Not much of a choice , is it?
With Corbyn and McDonnell you get Stalin and Beria.
What happened to “no deal is better than a bad deal”?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40251997
Its has been nearly a year since the referendum was held – Remember it ?
And we are still in the same bloody boat !
May was the wrong choice taken by the Tory Party to pick a ‘remainer’ as a leader – or was it deliberate ?
Yes!
yep and then she took one for the team
Pretty good article from Theodore Dalrymple on the election –
https://www.city-journal.org/html/britains-election-disaster-15247.html
9pm PBS’s Bannon doco, from the first minute they talked about Trump having a Muslim ban
thus showing the prog was coming from the loony LibMob fake view of the universe.
5 min later and I’m watching BBC2
“Muslim” travel ban? Here is Sebastian Gorka kicking around a CNN d**khead on that very subject.
Lovely Gorka. Quite popular on “The Daily Stormer”. Not that you’d know anything about that of course, Al; you only quote Andrew Anglin ‘sometimes’.
“Sebastian Gorka, President Trump’s chief counter-terrorism adviser, publicly supported a violent racist and anti-Semitic paramilitary militia that was later banned as a threat to minorities by multiple court rulings”
http://forward.com/news/national/367937/exclusive-controversial-trump-aide-sebastian-gorka-backed-violent-anti-semi/
Seb is good at his job. Never take a leftist’s questions at face value. Challenge everything they say. Always fight back. Never accept their basic premise. They are the enemy, they are not trying to have a rational, civil discourse, they are trying to screw you over. Never forget that, and act accordingly.
It’s a shame he left Britain, we need him back!
”Bannon’s War’ PBS;
“Bannon had engineered a sweeping executive order aimed at fulfilling a campaign promise to restrict Muslims from entering the United States”
Rudy Giuliani;
“I’ll tell you the whole history of it. When he first announced it, [Trump] said ‘Muslim ban’, He called me up, he said, ‘Put a commission together, show me the right way to do it legally.’ “
Which part of this are you having difficulty with, Stew?
Welcome back max.
Regardless of what the executive order is called, it is only implementing one of the policies under which Trump was elected; which a majority of Americans (D & R) support and which he is fully entitled to implement under the Constitution, as POTUS; that will be clarified once all the legal chicanery around it eventually works its way up to the Supreme Court.
Trump now just needs to begin building that damned wall!
But you support those who favour Jihad?
@Max : Not a Muslim ban when vast majority of worlds Muslims are unaffected by it.
eg Indonesian entry rules didn’t change.
Today one of my dogs had a testicle removed. It upset me. But I consoled myself with the fact that he still has more balls than the entire Tory Party in Parliament
So does my little Jack Russell bitch!
I continue to await a pro-Brexit feature from the BBC.
Last year, the BBC’s Director-General Lord Hall agreed to review the BBC’s complaints procedures after a cross-party group of parliamentarians challenged him to name a single programme which has been enthusiastic about Brexit since the EU referendum on June 23 — and Hall was unable to do so. The parliamentarians included UKIP peer Lord Pearson, Labour’s Kate Hoey and Tory Philip Hollobone. Lord Pearson hailed Lord Hall’s decision as a significant blow against ‘those at the top of the BBC who wish to see the referendum result reversed’.
Lord Hall has of course ensured that there has been no pro-Brexit programme since June last year.
Come on OFCOM get your finger out and do your job.
Ewan Davis appears to be ejaculating over Corbyn. Ffs BBC Labour lost !
Evan, in his orgasmic ecstasy, called Corbyn a cult. Pity he misspoke slightly.
Who were the three mindless bints Evan was probing at the end of the programme?
Corbyn seems to have some Svengali-like hold over them that circumvents their higher brain functions.
“I was impressed by “the many not the few””. In all honesty, I really cannot find even the tiniest spark of charisma in Corbyn. Six months living under “real existing socialism ” might have set the girls straight, though not Evan, I fear.
BBC2 – Cricket : Champion Trophy Highlights 2017 – Sri Lanka vs Pakistan – at 11:26 the commentator makes the comment “Jesus, that was quick”. This is an edited highlights programme, so there is no excuse.
The BBC continues to protect other religions from insults real or imagined, whilst openly encouraging blasphemy and heresy against Christianity. Whether you are religious or not, it is an attack on a Christian country, and Christianity generally.
lojo,
I have often wondered what would happen if people started using the name Mohammed as an expletive.
They do it with Jesus Christ all the time. Or just Jesus.
Wouldn’t using Mohammed’s name be an exercise in Equality & Diversity?
Mohammed! Can’t the BBC report some real news for a change?
What the Ahmet are these protesters banging on about now?
Mo that! I’m not paying a TV licence.
Hate crime figures would probably hit the roof.
Piss Be Upon Him
A lot of the Men with Big Beards have such a poor command of English, that they continually pronounce “peace” as “piss”. It was amusing listening to Big Beards prattling on about some slight to the prophet, when they themselves were being rude to the Big Beard in Chief. Am I imagining it or has all the “pissing on him” of yesteryear disappeared from the media? Inşallah!
The BBC don t want to talk about it, but the “unite against hate march” gets an airing here
with new Islamofauxbia guru P Tatchell.
(from about 9 minutes)
http://traffic.libsyn.com/jongauntshow/JG_12-06_Pod_Three_FINAL.mp3?dest-id=494266
poor old peter running in full denial mode
Just watched the wonderful story of the Severn bridge still the pattern for all long span, suspension bridges!
Old TV reporters with no agenda being fair and impartial. Old engineers saying that, back then we believed we could do anything – and they could as next door they were building Concorde.
Gax,
I worked on the approach road (M4) to the SBridge – British contractors being Costain and Sir Alfred McAlpine. Even got my own photograph of the last bridge section being lifted into place and taken whilst on the old ferry. Just within vision was Oldbury nuclear power station under construction – Sir Lindsay Parkinson. It makes me laugh to even think we have to use Chinese/French technology to build another nuclear plant at Hinkley. Just goes to show that this country has been sliding down the tubes for decades for one reason or another. There will be no change – the decline is now accelerating and islam will assist.
G,
Not sure how the country got there but it’s like we’ve sold the furniture to finance our bad habits and now we sit on orange boxes in our ill maintained house.
Gax, yup, precisely.
BBC revelling in Sharia Policing
BBC News – ‘Vile’ bacon sandwich Mosque attack in Bristol condemned
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-35341669
BBC News – Bacon on mosque offender dies in prison
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-38458529
BBC News – Pair jailed for Edinburgh’s Central Mosque bacon attack
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-27941589
Murder at the Bridge, Bacon at the Mosque
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/06/robert-spencer-murder-at-the-bridge-bacon-at-the-mosque
“That’s right: this is what the British police are concerned about in the wake of the jihad massacres in Manchester and London: bacon. Not that they’re enjoying a hearty breakfast; they’re protecting Muslims and mosques from supposed “hate crimes.” The proportions here are a bit off. Twenty-two people are dead in Manchester and seven in London at the hands of Islamic jihadists. One would think that in light of that, the Cambridge police would laugh off a few strips of bacon in front of a mosque, and tell the mosque leaders to direct their attention to more important matters, such as working to root out jihad terror sympathizers and plotters from their communities.”
R Spencer
Jews have numerous, even similar, tenets in their religion but the only time they come up is with Jewish comedians.
But then we stand with the Jews because Muslims want to annihilate us too.
I guess pork-laced bullets would be out of the question then?
The BBC has excelled itself in the last few days propagandising for the left and anti Brexit.The Tories had better deliver Brexit or many many people will never vote for them again .For the first time ever I didnt vote in this election.Not because of Tory policy my seat is entrenched Labour albeit with a leaver.
No ,there was no UKIP and the Tory was a Disabilities Barrister ,a member of the Human Rights and equalities council and voted Remain .In my opinion represents all that has gone wrong with the conservatives. Blairs government was stuffed with lawyers and look how that turned out.
I’m starting to think a full on socialist government and related collapse of UK is the only way forward. Maybe even the BBC will collapse when people have no money for their tax.I just don’t want to live through it again because with the non integration problems it will be much worse.
The international socialists have managed to make most people believe that the political spectrum only runs from the ‘left’ (good) through to their fellow socialists, the national socialists, on the ‘right’ (bad). Anyone else is therefore somewhere inbetween. Goodness knows how they managed to convince most people that the murderous international, (communist), socialists of Russia and China were more moral than the national socialists of Germany but they did. That is why people like Mrs May fear being called ‘nasty’ by the BBC etc. and try to outdo Labour, (ditto Cameron and his homosexuality is the new conservatism ‘marriage’ mania). (The article linked to be ‘imaynotalways love you’ above has it right.)
There is however an alternative to socialism and its left-right axis and that is individualism. Margaret Thatcher was the last politician to get anywhere near promoting that but was deliberately shouted down and mis-represented. She alleged that ‘there was no such thing as society’ by which she meant that society wasn’t some ready formed entity but was the sum total of what individuals do. If individuals do nothing, if they don’t achieve, if they don’t produce music or art, if they don’t invent then ‘society’ has nothing, we are just left with the crumbling remains of the great works left by our ancestors.
The socialists know this. That is why they hate our institutions, our culture. That is why they seek to dilute it with the alien. Socialism isn’t about ‘up the workers’. They were just last century’s useful idiots, they have been replaced by Muslims, Africans and the sexually confused and anyone else that can be pushed to riot. They want an unthinking mass, a people who will do as they are told. Hence their new-found love of Islam, safe spaces, political correctness and so-called hate speech.
The answer is to reject this left-right axis of evil. Think personal responsibility. Think achievement. Think free thought and expression!
‘Ask not what Britain can do for me but what I can I do for Britain!’
Spot on Jim. Some years ago I went on the Government’s website “Rights and Responsibilities”. There were no responsibilities on it. It’s not even there anymore so they don’t even expect people to try and see what is required of them in this “society”
I’m beginning to think that the Tories won’t deliver Brexit, or at any rate a Brexit which the 52% wanted.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/12/tory-labour-mps-plot-secret-deal-ensure-soft-brexit/
And the stopping of austerity won’t lead to more jobs for the lower paid who suffered most from EU low wage immigration and who against expectations voted for Brexit. We are going to get the worst of all worlds, with no reduction in immigration and higher welfare bills to support those who should be either working or earning enough to support their families.
They are making “austerity” sound like some sort of lifestyle choice. Austerity is what happens when Labour governments spend all the money and then some, which they always do eventually.
We are being deluged by the Beeb and wet Tory propaganda about how there will now be a soft Brexit, for a reality check see Wolfgang Munchau’ column in yesterday’s FT (paywall) who argued very little has changed as a result of the election. He argues that there will be a proper Brexit but with a long transitional period, to settle the divorce bill. Our media commentators are obsessed with May and her “weakness” ignoring that for EU it makes little difference, there stance is the same regardless of what we want.
True, ED.
Another poster here recently mentioned (twice I believe), that we have got exactly what Theresa May wanted, so Labour can join in with the blame game if it all goes pear-shaped. He/She made an educated statement which seems to be a prelude to what is happening now.
For me, I’d just blame the Lib Dems and the ‘Green’ and cut out the middle man…
How many of the islamic terror suspects – of late so publicly hauled in by the plod’s fake dragnets – are now released without charge? Will any of our four murderers’ associates ever face charges? When the dust settles will the authorities simply declare these were another four so-called lone wolves leaving just the internet in the dock?
The moments of silence and the vigils and other approved forms of public breast-beating are clearly designed to draw a line under these horrible events and enable authorities to move on, to get us the public back to normal without any change to the policies which created and enabled the terror acts.
AsIseeit
Yes released. So I assume that they were not on the list of suspects drawn up by Smiley’s people who estimated over 3000 and later 20000 Jihadists in the UK. Can we believe this tripe?
Treezer did call a meeting Of COBRA, invite the Emir of Londonistan along, and thereafter set about fulfilling his election promise to curb Islamophobia by harassing Tommy Robinson, making arrests of pork throwers and hijab tuggers, a man with a sharp pencil outside a mosque was put on trial and a police helicopter and nine bobbies arrested people at a party for playing a You Tube recording of a song mocking Binny Laden. And over this weekend cops ensured that the March Against Islamic Hate was derailed by Treezer’s UAF thugs and Antifa
Enough is enough.
This may not be the most serious contribution or scientifically learned blow against the global warming conspiracy but I have to share a small observation of BBC nonsense and fakery.
The other morning the BBC were camped out – for reasons well-known – in force beside the Palace of Westminster. It was early but bright and our Louise Minchin (a well-trained BBC graduate of the presenting style pioneered in the 60s and 70s by Biddy Baxter – in other words pitched at an audience with an assumed reading age of 10 and delivered with a smug yet restrained authority – think big sister not school marm) I digress. Anyway, our Louise was waxing lyrical about the bright warm sunny morning.
A blatant con, a subterfuge, fake news (if you will) presented to the viewer but suddenly exposed by the weatherman of all people who jokingly revealed the fact that our little morning sunflower Louise had hidden under the table out of view of the camera a blanket wrapped aound her knees.
There’s a literal metaphor
Good post, AISI.
Very revealing.
BBC Online NEWS:
“”Theresa May docudrama heading to BBC Two””
“”The BBC said the programme was based on “exhaustive research and first-person testimonies” and would “lay bare the politicking and positioning, betrayals and blunders” of the time.””
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-40249614
The BBC is all about their opinion, and semantics.
They are inacapable of understanding the meaning of, or of undertaking, “extensive research”.
They could call it ‘The great British Switch-off’, or something more fatuous.
I’m sure morons will believe it to be true, sadly, especially if it’s shown during the day when the sofa beckons.
How much docu and how much ‘it’s what they might have said’ BBC testimony?
Even accepting that the BBC is pretty shameless in its political and cultural bias, this morning’s ‘interview’ by Mishal Hussein with Lord Trimble was a disgrace. Hussein seems to feel she is immune from any necessity to control her own political opinions, so badgered Trimble as if she were a Sinn Fein/IRA representative herself. She left the listener in absolutely no doubt at all what her opinion of the DUP was, nor her sympathies for the terrorist supporters’ position.
It is high time this woman was taken off the air for a spell in remedial classes teaching her what the word ‘impartial’ means as, clearly, she has no understanding of the concept.
GC, poor old Mishal did not come out of that too well against an outstanding, experienced politician. Trimble, imv, quietly but firmly, gave better than he got.
Her unthinking fans and ‘class backers’ may not see it that way.
To my mind, she is having a nightmare of a month.
BTW, I agree someone at the BBC should deal with some aspects of presenters and interviewers specific poor performance, especially the asking of leading questions.
The DG years ago, committed the BBC to doing exactly what you and I (and others) want, in the wake of the Gilligan Affair. The BBC have never kept to that commitment, unless shunting James Naughtie sideways out of the TOADY Programme could be considered as such.
Yes, I agree that Trimble did well. Clearly, he was in no mood to put up with her nonsense.
That said, the BBC has no business giving airtime to a broadcaster who is so incapable of concealing her own opinions. This was obvious from the moment she appeared on R4 and in recent months she appears to have concluded that because she has been allowed to get away with it for so long it’s perfectly OK. Well, it isn’t.
GC. You’re right of course.
But she is glamourous, female, and above all, Asian. Tick tick tick.
In other words, ‘Useless’ is untouchable.
stick her in a burka
Agree, GC.
I don’t think it was Nick Robinson but he has refered to it and endorsed it AND claims it for himself, but he repeats this story. One BBC journalist said that when he joined the BBC, as he went in on Day 1, a man approached with a device that was held against his head. It fired a Strictly Neutral microchip into his brain. He was told by the man that on the day the journalist left the BBC or retired, the chip would be neutralised and he could return to being an individual with political and other views of his own.
Either the man with the ‘microchip implanter’ has been moved to other duties or the device is broken!
What he didn’t say was that the selfsame inventor went on to make, and sell to the security forces in the ME, bomb detectors which had the same strength as a ToCH lightbulb.
Like a lot of bbc, top reporters, analysts, experts and special correspondents – they are only at CBBC standard, if that. They’re only interested in their agenda which is in no way they’re role. OFCOM could put them straight on that one at the very least?
GC….I heard that interview too. It was dreadful. Thankfully the elder intelligent statesman, Trimble, quietly put her in her place. But it was when she was asking about how these present talks between TM and DUP would affect the peace agreement and she asked him how that could happen “as it says in the Peace Agreement that the Gov had to apply rigorous impartiality!” What a hoot? She wouldn’t know rigorous impartiality if it slapped her across the face. The irony was deliciously breathtaking but completely lost on her!
Someone said on here…Ofcom, come on, get your finger out! Couldn’t agree more. The fake news and the drip…drip undermining of Brexit and everything British is….well, could it be a hate crime? I certainly hate it!
There’s not a hope in hell of Ofcom doing anything at all. Like all such quangos it was put it place to prevent anything being done, not to correct any problems. That’s why it is stuffed full of BBC lackeys and the usual statist parasites.
Good! Boil No. 2, part 1, has been lanced. Senior Tories who were non-existent, or almost so, during the General Election campaign also now need to come forward and apologise to the country.
That, then will be, the end of initial closure.
Next on the schedule after that, cut away at Corbyn.
You need go no more than the last of the ‘Key Points’ to appreciate that your gut feelings are superior to teams of analysts at vast expense. Its reassuring –
Click to access Health_Protection_Report_STIs_NCSP_2017.pdf
G, is that the right report?
Should it not be the one on dealing with ‘severe acne’, or, as I prefer to think of it – ‘Severe ‘ackney and ‘zlington’.
The EU meets today to press for moving OUR Financial Services to Europe. If we have anything else of value, no doubt they’ll want that too. They seem under the impression that they have vanquished us in war and we must pay reparations. This is their chance to get what they can.
Blimey!
Here’s a shock. Next week’s Radio Times, page 41. Alison Graham. Referencing Mark Easton’s coverage of the London Bridge attack.
A few quotes
” Please, not Mark Easton again, being the conscience of the nation, emoting and giving us a piece of his heart rather than facts unadorned by assumptions……..what was this, journalism or a piece of theatre……..listening to this was like being punched in the face by Barbara Cartland……you needed a bucket and shovel to dig yourself out of Easton’s pained monologue……this was an editorialising essay pumped with emotion”
Alison. I salute you. What a shame your views are not shared by your employer.
Sweet Jesus, scroll down on the main page of the BBC homepage and we have a piece about the GE. Three headlines “How Team Corbyn aced social media…”, “The Papers: May’s mea culpa” and “Has British democracy let the people down” (with the clear subtext that it’s unfair that Corbyn isn’t the new PM and it must be the failing of the system rather than it working to keep out a loony left tool)
Some stats about the election and the new government.
20 of the cabinet ministers are remainers as opposed to just 7 leavers.
The average age of the Tory voter at the last election is 55 !
Tory policy is driving them into obscurity and finally well deserved extinction as they are just a watered down version of Labour.
Thoughtful, interesting post.
The Tories do not realise, I think, that it is THEY who are facing extinction, not Corbyn-led Labour. The Conservative strength is that although they are a broader ‘church’ than Labour – almost like the Liberals which is a Party of individuals – they tend to coalesce and unite around good leadership and/or good policies AND their country, the United Kingdom.
Labour on the other hand fractures into groupings and some part of Labour will always have that ‘Party of the working man’ (and woman!) anchor to hold on to.
For example, good policy. The Conservatives need to modernise economics-wise both in doctrine and policy put into effect.
They constantly bleat about being a tax cutting Party and point with delight to the recent report on the increased tax gathered from the top band of Income Tax yet are completely blind to the fact that not only would Corbyn have had a weaker policy platform in this election, but they would have had near twice that amount – and had £billions available for extra spending on the NHS, also weaking Labour’s attractiveness – had Osborne not cut the top rate of Income Tax in half.
The Tories keep thinking they have totally modernised the Party ‘because ‘Dave’ brought in same-sex marriage’.
No, no, NO!
(Now, where have I heard that phrase before?)
The Tories now have to get to grips with the 21st century big time. They may have blown their best chance but they still have a glimmer of hope.
Reform and deliver.
Or disappear.
Awoken by phone call from son on way to work in Ismanning, Bavaria. Man wiith “mental” issues grabs gun from female police officer at station and injures others. Son’s boss shot in leg. The psychiatric assessment has not reached the press yet.
https://www.rt.com/news/392031-shooting-police-injured-munich/
Awaiting BBC’s take or spin on it, not holding breath.
Meanwhile, in other news,
https://www.rt.com/news/372124-afghan-woman-beheaded-husband/
Religion of Peace my arse!
Man with mental issues was also reported to have shouted something about ‘allah’ in Norwegian.
And why are they running a feature on “Remembering Jo Cox: Her family one year on” when the opening line reads ‘On 16 June 2016 was shot and stabbed’. Why not wait until Friday when it is actually a year?
I guess they’ve just been pissing their pants in excitement at running with this and how a saint was murdered by an evil Brexiteer and just couldn’t hold their wad.
I prefer to remember Lee Rigby, soldiers killed and all the others.
Payne, I was thinking when I saw the BBC page & the obvious date dislocation that it was a case of (1984-style) ‘drip, drip, drip’.
Your last sentence tends to confirm that.
I think of the dozens of Africans that die everyday cos of the pull factor created by people like Jo Cox, cos of their refusal to have accept hard borders and accept the best way to help the poor of Africa is for them to stay in their home country and for us to trade with them.
The doco blurb “What drove a man with no history of violence to commit such a terrible act ?”
Well it might give us true truthseeking , instead of just propaganda
…Don’t hold your breath.
“they portray a complex and contradictory character, a man who volunteered to help people of all races yet harboured a secret obsession with Nazism and the extreme right.”
It’s a scandal, Stew.
The people making millions by manufacturing and selling inflatables, lifesavers, iPhone waterproof cases, etc.
You would think a news organisation with resources and integrity would be looking into that with some rigour, following the money, and so on.
But no.
I’m not sure about: “What drove a man with no history of violence to commit such a terrible act ?” because the question that has been bugging me ever since this murder took place is where did the killer get the gun?
I have little time for conspiracy theories but something in the background of this story stinks and the less they say, the more I wonder. It calls to mind the strange case of poor Dr David Kelly, which also left more questions than answers.
Dr Kelly, GC was a very tidy man who, before he died, managed to wipe his fingerprints of the small knife he used to sever the deep seated ulnar artery. No suggestion of foul play. Nothing to see here, move along now!
Indeed, and seemed to shed very little blood. As he bled to death.
Have a peep at
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13716127
Not unlike the unexplained, possible suicide of the bacon mosque prisoner. Kevin Crehan.
GC:
I agree with you. The sawn off rifle used had been stolen from its legal owner. By whom? We don’t know. Mair was a lonely man with few friends or acquaintances. He had no criminal background. He was not the sort of man who would know who to go for to get hold of a gun. So where did it come from? Who provided it? We don’t know. It’s just a fact of life.
A man with mental health issues, somehow gets a gun and murders a sympathetic Labour MP, a young mum and a pro-remainer, one week before the Referendum. As he kills her, he shouts “Britain First” even though he has no links with that group, or indeed any group. At his trial, he offers no defence, and does not explain his actions.
Even if you have never seen The Manchurian Candidate, you have to question this scenario. If you read up on the assassination of Robert F Kennedy, the parallels are sinister. A quiet man, with no criminal background, shoots the candidate dead. He does not know why he did it, cannot explain why he did it, he cannot remember doing it, and is later shown to be extremely suggestible under hypnosis.
Sirhan Sirhan is still in prison, and he still has no idea why he shot Robert Kennedy. Has anyone even bothered to ask Mair why he did it? I doubt it. Out of sight, out of mind.
See BBC use the “hide the spin in the link” trick.
look what words appear in the Twitter link
….. “Jo Cox: Death of an MP. The story of the horrific murder of Yorkshire MP Jo Cox by white supremacist Thomas Mair.”https://twitter.com/jackbuckby/status/872182877009707009
In last 24 hours the BBC released 5 webpages about Jo Cox
Remembering Jo Cox: Her family one year on – BBC News
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40247684
6 hours ago – In June 2016, Labour MP Jo Cox was killed in her constituency. Her family is still coping with the loss.
Jo Cox: The Sun and Daily Mirror in joint editorial – BBC News
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40256261
5 hours ago – Rival tabloid newspapers
Jo Cox would have been ‘hugely excited’ by Labour’s election – BBC …
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-40248425
21 hours ago – Jo Cox would have been “hugely excited” by the Labour Party’s performance
Jo Cox parents ‘try to stay positive’ – BBC News
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-40252625/jo-cox-parents-try-to-stay-positive
16 hours ago – In June 2016, Labour MP Jo Cox was killed in her constituency.
Jo Cox family release unseen karaoke clip – BBC News
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-40252626/jo-cox-family-release-unseen-karaoke-clip
7 hours ago – In June 2016, Labour MP Jo Cox was killed in her constituency.
First search I tried just was the last 7 days but there were just too many
Jo Cox was not killed. She simply ‘ceased living’ as a result of ‘an incident’. Move on.
Yes, she was killed by a “man”. There is no reason to speculate on his motives.
“Her family is still coping with the loss.”
One of them, at least, appears to favour capitalising on as much as coping with.
What with old-age and hearing loss I probably mis-heard La Kuenssberg on the news last night when she seemed to say, ‘…the Tories are coming to terms with losing the election.’ But then in the newspaper review on the text pages this morning, the BBC say the Times reports on the situation… following the election loss by the Conservatives.
What was it Goebbels said? ‘Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes truth.’
The BBC, Britain’s renowned and impartial news service, the envy of the world.
The Germans seem to love him as well, B.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/one-man-against-them-all-jeremy-corbyn-s-labour-sensation-a-1151535.html
Interesting, Toobi.
Mutti should be getting nervous, already.
IIRC, the CD Party are looked upon as being similar to our Conservative Party are they not?
Must Google – Did the Germans win the last war ?
No gax, us Brits lost it!
We lost the peace.
It’s not looking good fror Merkel on a number of issues, U2s.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/angela-merkel-s-anti-trump-alliance-crumbling-ahead-of-g-20-a-1151439.html
Had a text from my brother who lives near the shooting and I thought he was reading off an Emir Kahn script! How we need to get use to the peccadillos of the RoP, part and parcel of living in a city. It’s no different to what the balaclava boys got up to in the 70s and 80’s and how it’s all May’s fault for cutting police numbers (in Germany FFS!) This is how one thinks when married to an ex Red Army/Baader Meinhoff groupie!
Historically, and more recently, I have found what the Germans like is seldom good for Britain.
GW, the Germans do like low inflation. If there is anything that has undermined the UK and its way in the world for the last 50 years, it is inflation. It has been largely self-inflicted.
Heath and Wilson started the rot and no-one has truly dealt with it since although we had a glimmer of it under Ken Clarke. Almost his only achievement as a Minister, I would have thought.
GW wrote:
“Historically, and more recently, I have found what the Germans like is seldom good for Britain.”
So technically, Beltane, as the bBBC were the official opposition during the campaign, they are now effectively the self-imposed government!
I wonder if they’ll offer Corbyn a job, or Diane Abbott! They pay them enough already at £700 a pop, so I suppose they will!
Any more rumours on the DUP stuffing the TV tax? There must be some fake news going the rounds on that…
State broadcaster my arse, banana republic propaganda machine more like!
A piece from the firewalled FT which proves beyond any doubt that the media has been lying about the ‘togetherness’ in the wake of the Manchester bombing. More than that, the source of this is a prominent Labour councillor who has stood as a PPC for the Labour party, and a moderate (non hijab wearing) Muslim.
Since last month’s suicide bombing in Manchester, Britain’s northern capital is facing tough questions about the growing division between its diverse communities.
Manchester’s Muslims were quick to distance themselves from Salman Abedi, the bomber, who was well known to the Libyan community in the city and attended the Didsbury mosque with his father.
But Amina Lone, a local politician in the inner city area of Hulme, said the loudest voices in the Muslim community continued to be conservative and opposed to integration with the secular liberal society around them.
A Labour party councillor whose parents come from Kashmir, Ms Lone said there was a “silent majority of Muslims” who were nervous of offending religious leaders.
“Separation is an issue. We have allowed the extremists space… They use our liberal values to push their extremism. Why are we tolerating it? Many Muslim countries do not.”
The state should be much tougher about dictating liberal values, particularly female equality, she said. “Why are we allowing Muslim parents to take their children out of [gym] lessons at 8 or 9 years old? If that was a white working class kid we would be involving social services.
“I have been to Labour party meetings where there is a men’s section and a women’s section. We should not have segregated public meetings.”
She believes the teachings of some mosques have resulted in some young Muslims becoming more conservative than their parents. …
Suresh, a Hindu from North Manchester, said a strident form of Islam had emerged that was absent when he grew up among Muslims in north Manchester in the 1970s and 1980s.
“I didn’t see any ladies with headscarves when I was growing up. It has got a lot more conservative. Integration is going backwards with faith schools. I want my kids to be inclusive.” …
Another factor is “majority withdrawal”, said Eric Kaufmann, professor of politics at Birkbeck College. White British people tend to leave areas where the immigrant population is growing, leaving schools to become less ethnically diverse.
A report for the Open Democracy campaign group last year said that UK cities were becoming more polarised. Research by the Integration Hub, which tracks population change, found that while non-whites spread widely across the country between 2001-11, they had also become more concentrated.
In 2011, more than 41 per cent of non-white ethnic minority people in Britain lived in wards where less than half of the population was white, up from only 25 per cent in 2001. “In 2001, 119 wards out of 8,800 were majority non-white while in 2011, 429 were majority non-white out of 8,570,” it reported.
In 1991, none of Manchester’s 32 wards had a non-white British majority. By 2011, eight did.
Thoughtful,
Until the wording of the Quaran is altered leaving out the condemnation of the ‘kaffir’ and Jews islam and the cult adherents cannot change. Bit like saying the Bible needs re-writing – it aint gonna happen otherwise the essence of both would be lost: Christianity – benevolence, humanity, forgiving; islam – hatred, killing, superiority, discrimination, war.
There cannot be any practical change to the islamic status quo no matter what the sophists and their supporters argue.
G,
Correct. Mohammad claimed to supersede all prophets which came before him. He also claimed to be the last or final prophet so that no one may alter his message. For a devout Muslim, The Koran cannot be reformed. As we know, Muslims who think otherwise can be done away with as easily as infidels.
No further prophets. A claim even Jesus did not make.
Khatam an-Nabiyyin (Arabic: خاتم النبيين, khātam an-nabīyīn; or Khātim an-Nabīyīn), translated as Seal of the Prophets, is a title used in the Qur’an to designate the “prophet” Mohammad.
We have not just allowed the extremists space – we have financially supported them, protected them and in so many ways, because libertarians think it reflects so well on them, glorified them.
“Another factor is “majority withdrawal”, said Eric Kaufmann, professor of politics at Birkbeck College. White British people tend to leave areas where the immigrant population is growing, leaving schools to become less ethnically diverse.”
So where is the question …. Now just why would that be ??
Ooerr! Inflation has JUMPED by, wait for it ……………………….. 2%.
As an interesting example: Jenny Murray interviewed the ‘Handmaid’s Tale’ actress. Murray asks about parallels with Afghanistan, Iraq, the Middle East and their treatment of women.
Actress misses or chooses to ignore and sees only a parallel with American men who wish to subjugate and oppress women by not approving of a woman’s ‘right’ to murder their ‘inconvenient’ unborn children. Hopeless.
This is how one was treated, gax.I suppose online shopping isn’t an option there!
https://www.rt.com/news/372124-afghan-woman-beheaded-husband/
the loaded spin word “white supremacist”
have you ever heard the BBC use the phrase … “Muslim supremacist” ???
… Yet many do exhibit that quality.
Stew,
“Muslim Supremacist”
Koran 110th verse of chapter 3 The Family of Imran (sūrat āl ʿim’rān)
“Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors.”
English translation -Yusuf Ali.
@Lucy very interesting