What caused the Finsbury Park attack? Was it somehow the Mail and The Sun?
No.
This is what caused Finsbury Park…..No Muslim terrorism…no ‘blowback’…..and who helped ‘radicalise’ Muslims and thus in turn ‘radicalised’ the Finsbury Park terrorist? The BBC and Guardian.
Blood on their hands.
This is not ‘rhetoric’, this is not an inappropriate tone, this is not Islamophobia…this is death, this is terrorism, this is the bloody reality not some cheap point scoring game by some smart-arse prat at the Guardian……why is he angry at the Mail and The Sun and not this….? The Guardian and BBC make excuses for the killers but condemn these newspapers? There is something very, very wrong with the people at those two organisations.
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Your pictures show half of the likely reason . The other half is that our leaders do nothing about those pictures. Indeed some of them tell us this is the new normal and we must get used to it. Not everyone agrees with that and after decades of being ignored they snap gat angry and retaliate. The leaders then seek to further suppress the anger but they and the rest of us are sitting on a time bomb entirely of the leaders creation. If it goes off then we will all be in deep trouble , but is anyone addressing the reason for the problem in the first place? No , they just sweep it under the carpet and keep whistling in the dark. Some leaders, They couldn’t lead us out of a paper bag.
There is something very wrong at the BBC and the Guardian, but if they were alone in their perversion of relaity they would stand out and be shamed into changing their approach.
The problem is that the BBC prejudices are almost universally shared by our entire media, education and governmental elites. That’s why as much as I support your aim to close down the BBC I don’t think it would change much. Is Sky any more rational on Islam?
I don’t think these pictures should be put on this site without a warning and the option of viewing them.
Many are fully aware of what death looks and smells and sounds like. We know that Islamic terrorists are evil and must be removed from our society – and I don’t mean prison.
I don’t believe you should publish those hate pictures. I also think those holding the posters should also be dealt with.
That’s my view . I’m sure the people using this site know who the enemy is and express views about them. But no pictures for me please.
Hi Fedup,
I do see your point and it is fair enough I would suppose but may I just canvas your view on whether, in a different vein, images of Nazi atrocities from the Second World War should also be subject to the same criteria? If so then fine but if not then why not?
I hope you can see my point.
Hi boo
Yes an excellent point. I’m sure that there has been a degree of censorship in the showing of atrocity images from the Second World War – images of nazi and Japanese atrocities – I guess they can be found if you look for them – like videos produced by Isis of the slaughter of innocents in the name of their demon prophet.
There might be something about the now almost historical nature of war pictures against those so recent.
There other matter was about having an option to see these picture. ( I have seen most of them before ).
As an aside – I believe that whatever method the MSM use to try to mitigate Islamic terrorist murders in the name of their demon prophet/god there will be people in this country who will do what they think is right if the state fails to do anything except for a minutes silence, candles and flowers.
Who else remembers the Wall St Times showing us those pictures of bits of bombs and backpacks after the Manchester MEN slaughter after Ariana Grandes “Dangerous Woman” Tour( oh yes, IS were quaking in their flip flops Ms Grande?). Who else remembers the “leaking of confidential crime material” stuff aimed at Trump, moaned at by May? And who else recalls the “enquiry will get to the bottom of who leaked this stuff “?
And to date? Well, nothing,
The wall St TImes don`t like Trump, so can leak all they like. As long as they get their drive by pop shot at Trump for THAT news cycle-job done, back to our lives.
FFS Trump-GET the buggers!!!
Turn the WST upside down to please our Theresa, screw the heads of the Guardian and the BBC.
Great post.
ChrisH: Turn the WST upside down to please our Theresa, screw the heads of the Guardian and the BBC.
That is what he is doing. The Democrats made the recent congressional a referendum on Trump. They lost.
Its time really that Israel removed the BBC’s accreditation. This will allow Kushner to label the BBC a terrorist supporting organisation – which it is. BBC supported the release of all the terrorists in Gitmo, even when they acknowledged they were “radical” Muslims, and went on to commit atrocities later.
I disagree. I think the biggest problem with these terror attacks are that the public are not seeing the brutal reality of these attacks.
Unless you witness these things firsthand all you see are sanitised imagery – flowers on streets, teddies threaded through fences and people looking forlorn.
This doesn’t have cut through, this doesn’t jolt people into the reality of what is happening. It’s all distant, it’s all neatly contained and hence it doesn’t require a reassessment of their naive belief that we are all inherently good and can hug it out.
The biggest proof of this would be the dead repositioned refugee child on the beach. An image that would usually never be shown but was used to ‘sanction and validate’ a greater refugee wave that has led to greater problems in Europe.
People need to see the horror of a nail bomb, they need to see the terror of women being sexually harrassed at events, they need to see the deplorable persecution of homosexuals by members of this religion of peace to be woken up to the danger in our midst.
To suppress that truth, to bury that intelligence is the same mindset that allowed 1,400 girls to be sexually assaulted for a decade because we dare not cause offence to a group of people or alert the greater public to what is going on.
Absolutely right Payne.
We are being offered preferentially sanitised images lest the genuine righteous anger be provoked.
The viewing public are being “managed” and anything that might disturb the narrative will be comprehensively expunged.
Correct. But the RoP makes it acts so gruesome that it makes it impossible to show the reality without everyone taking to the streets and going after all Muslims. Mayhem and anarchy.
Will the BBC show the torture and crucifixion of Christians in the ME? Or the slow decapitations of Christians in the ME?
So we will continue to sanitize the reality of Islam, while praising any act of a Muslim, just good manners, as the most serene act of charity.
Payne ,
I realise that there is a balance to be struck somewhere. I don’t want to witness Isis beheading people on the six o clock news .
I notice that if you come to this site without logging on you see a limited image to those after log on .
Please don’t get me wrong . I am not a liberal . I favour the Israeli approach to terrorism which sadly could never happen in uk. I favour capital punishment. I worry about the animals in belmarsh counting down the days til they come at us again . In my world i wouldn’t waste taxpayers money keeping them – if you see what I mean .
“I don’t think these pictures should be put on this site without a warning and the option of viewing them. ”
Sorry, couldn’t agree less about the general principle of showing graphic images.
boohanna makes a good point below. I doubt if there is anyone over a certain age who has not seen pictures of Bergen-Belsen several times.
My reason for believing that the pictures should be shown is that some people seem to have an astonishing ability to whitewash the atrocities in their minds. Just another incident. They don’t want unpleasant things to intrude into their sanitised lives – might disrupt their enjoyment of the next Holby City.
When appalling lies are told about so-called Islamophobic attacks, people need to be confronted by the difference between a rasher of bacon hanging on a door handle, and the reality of a terrorist attack. It should not be possible to fudge the difference.
Movies and some TV are far more graphic than they used to be. It takes more than a few blurred out shots to get the message across.
The only way to stop the pictures is to stop the terrorism, IMO. At present, the battle is being fought on territory chosen by the terrorists. It needs to be taken into the community in which it originates. Not by revenge attacks, but by exhaustive raids and searches by the security services. We need to revise our concept of “uman rights”. Ask Israel how to do it properly.
Eisenhower instructed that photos of the Nazi death camps should be taken.
Dwight D. Eisenhower > Quotes > Quotable Quote
Dwight D. Eisenhower
“Get it all on record now – get the films – get the witnesses -because somewhere down the road of history some bastard will get up and say that this never happened.”
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So I think the photos should be shown everywhere, in the schools, next to the pictures of people with candles.
GWF,
Leave it to extreme lefties to deny the evidence anyway. I once showed a load of liberal “friends”
the photographic evidence of the 13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar.
Basically Muslim Nazis. Pictures of Amin al-Husseini with Hitler & Himmler.
There are documents,, radio broadcasts & photographic evidence to prove there were Muslim Nazis
They threw it all back in in my face claiming they were faked images. You can’t win.
When faced with evidence, the left will always find a way to deny it. It’s sinister but if they want to wipe the holocaust from their version of history they will do it. Palestinian children are taught that the Holocaust was faked by the Jews themselves. No amount of evidence can penetrate the delusional liberal narrative.
BTW
Prayer time for the Muslim Nazis.
Even current events don’t phase them. They’ll keep up the denial routine.
The Jewish population is under threat again. And the world is by & large ignoring it. Again.
Because Muslims are beyond reproach.
Hi Fedup – the media especially the BBC use images of dead infants to push their open borders and anti- traditional West agenda all the time. The same thing happens on pro-Islam internet chat sites – with far more graphic images of dead babies etc. All Alan is doing is showing the bigger picture. The average English, British or European with traditional English, British and European values and culture – are losing the propaganda war as both governments and the left wing media proselytise to “progressivism”, while their cultures are steadily being Islamified (Halal food in all schools etc).
Broadcasting –
Thanks for the view. I m thinking I may be wrong . I’ve seen and held a lot of death in my past so there is sanitisation in my head . Perhaps you and others here are right that the filters be taken off .
Maybe the victims / families should have a view?
PS I’m trying a media free 3 days and only dipping in here once – now – as an experiment in my views – I don’t think they’ll be much change!
Fedup, I have to disagree. The gore must be shown, especially to politicians and well-to-do middle class types who are seldom the victims of it. It has an impact that stays with you. If it would prick the consciousness of even a few of the useless non-entities to stop supporting mass immigration then that’s what should be done.
Many years ago I remember seeing some grainy black and white footage of the aftermath of some terrorist bombing somewhere, and there was a fleeting glimpse of a fireman or some auxiliary with a broom sweeping up debris which included a big pile of somebody’s innards. People turned inside out ain’t a pleasant sight.
There’s civilisation, and there’s a horrible hellish nightmare future – and I want those in charge to be clear they are on the side of civilisation, which we in the west have taken a long, painstaking and bloody route to achieve.
It will be such a waste to fall into another Dark Age for 500 years, for fear of being thought ‘racist’ but honestly the trend isn’t looking good unless those in power are jolted into waking up.
In my way,
Thanks for the reply – I’m tending to change my view as a result of responses here. It’s a bit personal – but maybe joe public deserve an unfiltered view – particularly when al Beeb use of impact images such as the dead baby have been used when it suits them
Thanks again
To the bBC, the British are nothing more than nasty racist bigots who go around murdering Muslims:
The facts:
Islamic terrorism:
2005, 7 July: central London bombings conducted by four separate Islamist extremist suicide bombers, Three bombs were detonated on three separate trains on the London Underground and one on a double-decker bus. 56 people were killed and 700 were injured.
2007, 30 June: Glasgow International Airport attack. Five people were injured and the only death was of one of the perpetrators.
2008, 22 May: Exeter attempted bombing in a café toilet by an Islamist extremist, injuring only the perpetrator.
2013, 22 May: British soldier, Lee Rigby, was murdered and decapitated in an attack in Woolwich by Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale,
2015, 5 December: A man with a knife attacked three people at Leytonstone Tube Station in East London. The attacker was 29-year old Muhaydin Mire who was shouting “this is for Syria”.
2017, 22 March: 2017 Westminster attack – Khalid Masood, a 52-year-old British man, drove a car into pedestrians on Westminster Bridge, He then entered the grounds of the Palace of Westminster, , before being confronted by a police officer, whom he fatally stabbed before being shot himself. Six, including the perpetrator and the officer, were killed in the incident, and 49 people were injured.
2017, 22 May: 2017 Manchester Arena bombing – A large explosion caused by a British suicide attacker with a bomb at the Manchester Arena, Manchester, killing 22 individuals and injuring 120.
2017, 3 June: June 2017 London attack. 8 people were confirmed dead and at least 48 injured, some critically. A white van drove at high speed across London Bridge, running into groups of people, then crashed. The occupants then ran to nearby Borough Market, where they stabbed many people
Acts of violence carried out against Muslims:
2013, 29 April to 12 July: Pavlo Lapshyn a Ukrainian student and right-wing extremist, stabbed Mohammed Saleem, a Birmingham resident to death on 29 April. He later admitted to police that he wished to start a “race war”. Lapshyn later detonated a home-made bomb outside a mosque in Walsall on 21 June. 150 homes were evacuated but no person was injured. On 28 June Lapshyn detonated a second home-made bomb near a mosque in Wolverhampton, and attacked a mosque in Tipton with an improvised explosive device containing nails on 12 July. Friday prayers were delayed that day, and so his intended victims were still inside. Laphsyn was later sentenced to serve a minimum of 40 years
2017, 19 June: A van was rammed into people walking near Finsbury Park Mosque in London after evening prayers. Local authorities have said that there are eleven injuries. One person died near the time of the attack, The police declared the incident a terrorist attack.
Help me here, but how the hell can the left, Liberals, Government, Police and the followers of Islam deem the Uk a racist bigoted place for Muslims when almost 100 people have been murdered by Muslims and only 2 Muslims have been killed by hateful bigots. The first killing there by Lapshyn shouldn’t even be included as a British crime as he had only been in the country 8 days. Yet after a man with mental problems (he tried to kill himself last week) runs into a crowd of Muslims. It transpires that the UK is a real f-ing nasty place for Muslims. Think I’m kidding here is what the bBC is currently pushing out:
I felt ashamed to say I’m Muslim. Not anymore.”
Yet again the bBC paints a negative picture of the British, which will be used by those who carrying out FGM, who have more than 1 wife, who hate jews, who would murder their daughters if they married a non Muslim, who want to change British foreign policy, who openly support Islamic terrorist groups, to pick up a knife, gun , home-made bomb or even car keys in which to utter ‘Allah ackba’ in which to show intolerant whitey that Islam is actually a religion of peace.
Did you add Muslim vs Muslim? Tanveer Ahmed sentenced to 27 years for attack on Asad Shah motivated by hatred of Shah’s religious views. Is this left or right or terror or hate?
MarkyMark
It is simply Islamic terrorism no matter who the victim is.
My point, I think, is we need all the data to see what is potentially happening. Is my reference above a hate crime. Islamophobia? Isis motivated. Does the killer get seen as far left or far right? It was an example of a needless murder over what most people would ignore. So is it a mental problem now? Would be interesting to follow up on story, not sure what court case revealed.
I think what stands out to me more than anything one muslim death by Btitish nutter/terrorist (and remember it was only one) and the left go into their rabid angry stop hate/islamphobia mode.
Tens /hundreds of people across Europe and the UK killed by muslim terrorists and we are all told we can combat it by loving like Jo and lighting a few candles.
What world do these people live in?
This is a very good article by Andrew Joyce, on the Finsbury Park “Far-right terrorist attack”.
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2017/06/21/darren-osborne-and-the-finsbury-mosque-incident-a-rebellion-against-the-idea-that-revenge-could-even-be-contemplated/#more-154075
In the case of the Finsbuy Park mosque attack, it looks almost certainly a “lone wolf” attack. It also seems quite likely the culprit was mentally unstable at the time of the attack, the Beeb hasnt shown any interest in this possibility.
I heard it was not outside a mosque. So should references to this accident include the word Mosque? I could be wrong … but this is misdirection if true. Manchester Chrisrian Church attack (church near to arena). 3 Girls … not 1400 Girls. Let me know. Thanks.
That is because the BBC decide the story before reporting on it. They have a number of agendas. The BBC was taken over by activists sometime ago.
I believe the 1400 number is a conservative estimate because the real figure is basically “unbelievable”
Kaiser
The number is of course rising as it still goes on!
On radio story ends with “..near mosque.” So Manchester attack near church? Westminster attack near St. Paul’s?
He is not a Lone wolf, but just a simple person fed up with seeing the sheer horror that Muslims are creating in the West, while MSM and politicians make excuses.
The really astonishing thing is that there has been no large scale reaction against Islam and Muslims, given the massive provocations, time after time.
In way way this is good. But it also indicates how pathetic our societies have become.
Dorothy Sayers, “In the world it is called Tolerance, but in hell it is called Despair…the sin that believes in nothing, cares for nothing, seeks to know nothing, interferes with nothing, enjoys nothing, hates nothing, finds purpose in nothing, lives for nothing, and remains alive because there is nothing for which it will die.”
Al,
The writer seems to be a bit of an anti-Semite.
A couple of problems with that article. Concerning antisemitism the writer fails to identify that the reason for increased attacks on Jews is the presence of more Muslims. Islam is the source of extreme hatred of Jews.
Historically the yellow badge was a Muslim invention to mark the Dhimmi status of Jews. It wasn’t started as a “method of identifying Jews for the King’s protection”
If you are interested, this from Wikilslam: https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Yellow_Badge
Under Dhimmitude, the Islamic system of governing non-Muslim populations and their interactions with Muslims, Muslim superiority was expressed through numerous ways, including laws that established what colors, clothing or hats they were permitted or not permitted to wear.
In Islamic orthodoxy, the use of distinctive clothing or marks for Jewish and other religious communities can be traced back to the Pact of Umar (637 AD), a pact that contains the terms dictated by the second Rightly-guided Caliph,[3] and seems to reflect Prophet Muhammad’s wishes for his followers to look and act “differently” than the Jews.[4][5]
In the early Islamic period, non-Muslims were required to wear distinctive marks in public, such as metal seals fixed around their necks. Likewise, they were not allowed to wear colors associated with Islam, particularly green.[6] The practice of physically branding Jews and Christians appears to have been begun in early medieval Baghdad and was considered highly degrading.[7]
Christians and Jews were forced to wear special emblems on their clothes. The yellow badge was first introduced by a caliph in Baghdad in the 9th century[2] as a variant of the zunnār belt and spread to the western world in medieval times. Even in public baths, non-Muslims wore medallions suspended from cords around their necks so no one would mistake them for Muslims. Belts, headgear, shoes, armbands and/or cloth patches were also used. Under Shi’ite rules, they were not even allowed to use the same baths.[2] In 1005 the Jews of Egypt were ordered to wear bells on their garments.[8]
Apart from Jews, Hindus living under Islamic rule in India were often forced to wear yellow badges as well. During the reign of Akbar the Great, his general Husain Khan ‘Tukriya’ forcibly made Hindus wear discriminatory yellow badges[9] on their shoulders or sleeves.[10]
Lucy, I think you may have missed that Joyce was writing with regard to the wearing of identifying badges by Jews in England, prior to their expulsion in 1290 by Edward I and not of the forms of identification for dhimmis living under the Sharia; which were for quite different purposes.
“Irven Resnick writes in a 2007 article for the respected journal Church History that Jews were the “agents of hated royal fiscal policies,”as well as the usurers of the masses. The Crown was aware of this and took measures to increase security for Jews. A lot has been made about Jews first having to wear a badge identifying them at this time. What is far less often publicized is that these badges were first introduced by the English Crown, according to an article in the Jewish Quarterly Review, to better “facilitate their recognition by their protectors.” Because an attack on the Jews was seen as an attack on the king.” Andrew Joyce.
New phrase entering the arena – ‘un-Islamic extremism’ – this is now what ISIS and Al-Qaeda practice as mentioned by Julian Lewis (Conservative MP). I thought this was going well with him using words totalitarian ideology.
Amber Rudd – “This comes in many different forms, ‘un-Islamic extremism’ is one of the ways of describing it, is perfectly reasonable…”
Maybe we are running out of words to wrap around the word Islam?
// House of Commons 22 Jun / Terror Attack Statement
Mark,
I don’t think we should have let them get away with any term other than, ‘Devout Muslim’
In 2017 Devout Muslims attacked Westminster, Manchester & London Bridge, leaving many dead.
Abū Bakr al-Baghdadi – Devout Muslim leader of ISIS,
Devout Muslim Osama Bin Laden.
Devout Muslim pedophile rape gangs terrorise Rochdale.
etc etc.
Or perhaps Devout Mohammedans.
I see no way out of this unless we are honest. Seems that the koran needs to be opened in the bright light of review and to be skeptical.
But alas we are fearful, even though we have been through this before with Christianity and came out the other side, semi OK.
Maybe we can’t stomach the loss of another God, even though we don’t agree with him.
I think it also needs to be read Marky, not just opened and put up on the highest shelf.
Bill Warners “Political Islam” is just about the only course and class that anybody needs.
As a Christian, I have no fears-I despise those who give Islam its cover and cringings, but all Islam does is what the Koran tells them to do.
I didn`t blame that tiger for killing its keeper a few weeks back. But when Packham or Attenborough tells me that he was called Tony and i`d get a discount at the Esso garage if I gave him full board and let my kids walk him round the estate…then I rage at the BBC idiots whoendanger us all, just to salve their weird mad and self-loathing consciences.
we have historically form here for denial, Nazi’s weren’t “socialists”
the enemy tells us straight what they are, what they want, what they will do …
our “Elite” stick there fingers in their ears and look the other way
IS may well be up before the Hague one day for their regrettable methods.
Calling them “so-called” REALLY angers them
And calling them Daves “Daesh” really, REALLY gets them angry too.
Amber and Julian surely keep IS up at night, putting together trans-friendly loos out of sculpted camel dung.
Fear our Western political class Anjem…we do!
Comment from under article.
A clearer example of fucked-up leftist thinking you never read, his reply is to a self amitted christain who was saying his faith welcome gay people, the exchange was longer, but that was the christians position.
reply.
Marc Webster Mar 29, 2017
There are tons of stuff in that dreadful book that’s considered sin yet don’t have the death penalty for them and don’t have the religious up in arms about them…….it’s people like you with your superstitious medieval rubbish that cause these atrocities happening.
So there you have it, people like the christian who treat gays with full equality and acceptance are causing the people in the article above it, to throw gay men of roof tops, and the crowd at the bottom to cheer and stone the corpse.
What would you give ?, what would pay ?, to have just 5 minutes in a locked room with his ”sort”.
Heres away the LGTB community can tell moderate islamic muslims from extremist none islamic muslimes.
The ones throwing your gay brothers of tall buildings alive are the ones that really really hate you the none islamic muslims.
The ones at the bottom stoning the corpse and screaming for another are your moderate islamic muslims who just only really hate you, these islamic moderates will walk among you in suits, they will befriend you, and eventually they will kill you.
Think about this post as the pavement rush’s toward you.
Rushanara Ali – ‘ensuring (directed at Amber Rudd) internet companies take down religious extremist sites and far-right sites immediately that promote violence.’
– hold on a minute Rushanara Ali (Labour) , what about #DayOfRage and the BBC?
– let’s be inclusive here and add ‘far-left’ or else they will feel left out – we need equality in picking on extremists surely.
/// BBC Parliament // House of Commons 22 Jun / Terror Attack Statement
It’s crystal clear what this lunatic was doing. He wasn’t motivated by the opinions of The Daily Mail, The Sun, Nigel Farage or even Katie Hopkins. He was precisely emulating the Islamist killers that have been slaughtering our people en mass.
What he did was hideously wrong. He has taken the life of an innocent man, left a grieving family and tried to kill many others. Unforgivable and dreadful.
However, I believe that if our government had done a little more (any bloody thing!) to try stop this Islamist murder spree, this crime wouldn’t have happened.
Candles and flowers aren’t enough. The people need to believe their politicians are actually doing something. We’ve all grown a bit tired of the endless bloody platitudes.
Something the murdered man’s daughter said rather shook me. She was, obviously, terribly upset, but she said her father was a man of peace and wouldn’t want any “revenge attacks.”
I understand she’s grieving, but “revenge attacks”?
After Westminster, London Bridge, Manchester…
Does not matter how they excuse it, this small minority have come to dominate our lives news-cycle and politic’s, they murder with enjoyment on their face’s, they despise us, and now some of us are staring to despise them, i dont despise them.
I despise their Liberal enablers, and most especially Blair the architect, i hate Blair, i hate Blair with so much venom i cannot put into words.
Muslims are doing what it says on the tin, they hate us, their marxists apologists hate us, more and more of us see it, its as if they taunt us.
And taunting, baiting is what the marxists are doing, they want and have pursued a complete fracture of our societies, in their drive to eradicate individualism, Islam is their armed force to achieve that, in a pincer movement with their propaganda arms the meedya, somehow they believe they will come out on top after the big Britain wrecking street fight is done and dusted, and the molov’s retired, they wont, OUR country is worth fighting for, otherwise they wouldnt be trying to take it of us.
After the battle for Britain is won, all those Marxist journalists and their superiors should get life sentences for all the death and destruction they have actively incited, and prime minister Farage should decree Liberalism a terrorist ideology.
These Liberals have no idea what they will un-leash, if one town or city blows, just one, 10s of them will blow all around the UK.
All that anger, all those kids faces, all that suppression, all the depression, un-leashed, cities will burn.
I don’t think ‘liberal’ is the right word. In fact it is hard to find the right words as the international collectivists have perverted our language so much, (part of their method).
It is as though they live at the North Pole. To them everywhere else is ‘South’ and ‘wrong’. That allows them to say, “You speak Japanese, you are of the South”, which is true. Or, “You voted for Donald Trump, you are of the South”, which also could be true. However the Japanese speaker in Japan didn’t vote for Donald Trump.
In political terms there are those who would like to keep the best of the past, (conservative), and those that want change, hopefully for the better, (liberal, radical). Both of these positions are perfectly valid, we should keep some things the same and we should strive to do better. There can be a reasonable dialogue about what falls into each category and by how much. This makes sense from an individualistic view of society; I want my brain surgeon to use ‘best practice’, I want my inventors to think of something new.
Unfortunately our institutions have been taken over by these ‘North Pole’ dwellers. They have brainwashed our young to become blind collectivists and because they need ‘change’ to make their revolution they have stolen terms like ‘liberal’ or ‘radical’ to be exclusive to the ‘North’. As a result other political leaders try to position themselves around, but external to, the ‘North Pole’ citadel.
To be ‘a liberal’ is neither right nor wrong and ‘the North Pole’ isn’t their natural home. We need to fight on a battleground of our choosing. The individual should take responsibility for themself; they should seek to better themself; they should value reason and free thought. By doing these things they give their lives meaning and they improve society for all. Let’s leave the barren North Pole to moronic collectivists.
This is war.
Of course no-one wants to see such pictures. But those who are responsible NEED to see them.
We really should have shown them all Bin Ladens dead body, and these crime scenes need documenting with those who need to get motivated or firghtened to DO something.
Most of us don`t, but I myself would terrorise the terrorists.
A Nuremburg Reckoning live on IS sites for their convicted scuym from Wansdworth in keeping with what they chose to put up on their sites as they butchered OUR people.
Anything less-what else will you expect IS to do and think?
Only that we`re soft, shit and scared…and until they REALLY kill us more frequently, more nastily-then well STILL pretend it`s not hurting or having an effect. It bloody well is.
Vengeance is as good a motive as any to deal with these Nazis in sandals.
Good video on the ugly, fat, talentless, BBC sow, Josie Long.
As Brendan O’Neill said about her – “when you’re so desperate not to appear racist, you’d rather just look stupid instead”.
Very good from PJW
In a just world his video would be on the BBC
but LibSupremacism ensures only their Lib voices are the ones that can be heard.
If you ever wonder what stupid looks like, the answer is surely Josie Long.
The BBC must have breathed a huge sigh of relief when it became apparent it was “a white man in a white van” that “terrorised” the Finsbury Park mosque.
At last! Parity!
When are we going to learn that sad individuals with no connection to any organised terrorist groups – no matter how horrific their attacks – are not terrorists. They are just sad individuals.
Why can’t the MSM report them as such? They are pathetic animals and should be portrayed accurately. We should ridicule them!
The MSM has a duty to discourage copy-cat attacks.
They were mass-murderers in old money.
Alan.
“The Guardian and BBC make excuses for the killers…”
And what is this; if not making excuses for killers?:
“No Muslim terrorism…no ‘blowback’”
_
Four days after the Finsbury Park Mosque attack and so far you’ve blamed:
Muslims,
The Guardian,
The BBC,
DJ Nihal,
J.K. Rowling,
Lily Allan…
And the one person you haven’t blamed?
That would be the actual terrorist murderer driving the van.
You haven’t even mentioned his name.
But you accuse others of “making excuses for killers”.
You’re a clown, Alan
“That would be the actual terrorist murderer driving the van.”
He isn’t a terrorist; unless you have information that links him to a terrorist organisation.
“He isn’t a terrorist; unless you have information that links him to a terrorist organisation.”
Top marks for pedantry, Edward. But actually you are wrong:
“terrorist” (noun) a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
Regardless, the undeniable fact remains that Alan has spent the last four days blaming everyone he can think of for the attack on Finsbury Park Mosque apart from the person driving the van.
As I said, he hasn’t even mentioned his name.
Instead, he’s been busy making excuses.
Just like he made excuses for Anders Breivik – without ever once blaming Anders Breivik.
If you’re ok with that, then fine. Own it, stand up for it, defend it; rather than making petty debating points about the correct terminology.
‘Top marks for pedantry’
Bless.
maxi – What were his “political aims”? I can’t recall hearing from the media what those are nor that he has links to any organization which has “political aims”.
It’s strange how those such as yourself clutch at any of the rare attacks on Muslims or the Left, however minor, as somehow equating to the (seemingly daily) Jihad attacks committed by Muslims across Europe and the world against kaffirs.
The fact is that neither this chap nor Thomas Mair expressed their support for politics of any kind, yet the MSM and others tell us what has motivated them and describes them as terrorists; yet the same MSM only reluctantly will use the M or I words to describe Muslim terrorists, even though the terrorists themselves state that their religion is the motivation for what they are doing.
Depends on how you define a “political aim”, doesn’t it?
If he was simply motivated by a dislike of Muslims, after several drinks perhaps, that’s hardly a political aim, otherwise any attack motivated by dislike of someone could be viewed as terrorism. That wouldn’t make sense.
We know very little about him so far, apart from tittle-tattle. You’ve got your long awaited “Nazi” and don’t want to lose him, that’s all that matters to you.
There is nothing ‘political’ about a sad drunk who gets into a van and drives it into Muslims because he hates them. There could have been an element of religious difference to blame for his attack, but certainly not a political agenda.
Yes, I’m a pedant, but in this day and age you have to be because people like you do not understand the very terms you are quoting. It’s fine to use a word out of context – in this case ‘terrorist’ – to exaggerate a point of discussion, but when someone points out the error they are shouted down as a pedant!
You also need to understand the difference between religious motivation and political motivation. Whilst it could be argued that Islamic terrorists are religiously motivated, we need to recognise that in Islamic societies there is no divide between politics and religion, unlike in secular western nations.
And don’t for one minute assume I’m defending Alan. I have criticised him numerous times here regarding his views on climate change and religion. But in this respect he is right to expose the huge imbalance in the reporting of this atrocity and the mass of political opportunism taken on the back of it.
But this guy, Darren Osborne, was suffering mental health problems, had apparently tried to kill himself, had asked to be sectioned and was on mental health medicine.
What he did was totally outrageous and he should be sent to prison. However, I don’t see how his case is all that different from Nicholas Salvador, the Nigerian convert to Islam who beheaded cats before decapitating an 82 year old grandmother in her back garden and brandishing the head to an onlooking police helicopter. Through his capture he kept shouting Allah but he was declared insane and the terrorising act swept under the carpet as mental health problem and no connection to Islam or terrorism.
Or there is the case of Nidal Hussan, the US Army psychiatrist who gunned down 13 soldiers in Fort Hood whilst shouting Allah Ackbar but had the crime classified as ‘workplace violence’.
Now, I’ve no problem with Mr Osborne being thrown in jail and the key thrown away. My problem though is the discrepancy in criminal categorisation and motivation that exists between these acts. The murderer of Jo Cox had mental health problems but these were overlooked. Darren Osborne has mental health problems and seemingly these will be overlooked yet when a case like Nicholas Salvador presents itself (with him shouting Allah) it is okay to neatly assign it to mental health problems.
It’s this blatant difference in treatment that I think riles up so many people. I’m sure there will be earnest reports on the news asking ‘what led Darren Osborne to carry out this act’ just like they did with Thomas Mair. The mental health problems will be glossed over and a chance to discredit the Sun, The Mail and anyone who expresses a non left wing view will be jumped on with gusto.
However, I don’t see this same investigative journalism carried out for the Muslim attackers. Why would they commit these acts, what did they hope to achieve, who helped them make it happen and are they connected to others who might think the same?
The BBC have an anti-British pro-Islam agenda. They have several other agendas too (pro-European, anti-Church of England, Pro-Republicanism, anti-Unionism (as in NI) … it goes on an on). There is no alternative other than to campaign for the abolishment of the BBC licence fee, to campaign to reform the BBC, to allow for effective alternative voices to the BBC.
“The murderer of Jo Cox had mental health problems but these were overlooked.”
You’re being too kind. It wasn’t overlooked. It was actively suppressed.
well he lived in a tent, was unemployed and had 4 kids, i will take a guess he voted for corbyn
Maxi again, 4am, he is keen.
No need to make excuses, we have a right to self determination.
Which overrides all other issues.
So Muslim invaders can be killed at will, as they were a thousand years ago when they tried to infect Europe.
In fact any invaders, not acceptable to the indigenous population, can be so treated.
The heroes and heroines, who defend our land, rendered sacred by the sacrifies of their ancestors, receive our thanks and our blessings.
Expelling the invaders is an ineluctable obligation, paying homage to the past, promoting the future.
You can place everyone and anyone who disputes this in the same boat.
The boat is not like that shown on the Ford Madox Brown painting “The Last of England”.
The boat must be a raft, whose conditions make those shown by Gericault look like first class cabins on the P&O.
There is a little used adjective in English, condign. Condign definition “of a punishment, very severe, but justly desrved”.
The vessel should be named “SS Condign” and should sink when the last cannibal dies.
This event requires another painting. Entitled “The Last of Totalitarianism” it must show the most recently expiring Muslims, and all the dead Lefties falling into the sea.
A copy of this painting must be in every school, and shown to every child, every day, so that having got rid of every Muslim enemy and every home-grown lefty, they never tread on England’s green and pleasant land again.
Best wishes to all European people (EU supporters excepted).
I`d have thought that political aims is a bit sillly and wide-ranging isn`t it? Reads like a Blair and Falconer kind of flaccid law verbiage that is meant to assuage us all, but means nothing.
Isn`t terrorism an asymmetric war by proxy, intended to frighten the majority into a posture that the terrorists want to terrify us all into acquiescence?
So one nutter is no terrorist unless there`s a cause that others recognise and would see as a political cause.
Peter Sutcliffe terrorised women in Leeds but was neither a Yorkshire separarist or a male chauvinist pig…so a murderer, not an anti-feminist, pro Yorkshire independence. He`ll probably be claimed as such though, and crap laws like this definition allows him to do so.
After 43 years of not being able to draft a law, let alone check cladding for combustibility-don`t imagine that we`ve got the homegrown talent to do either. More EU migrants then no doubt eh maxi?
He wasnt a terrorist sweet-cheeks, and belonged to no terrorist organisation, it was attempted man-slaughter, and maybe man-slaughter if proven he killed the old guy.
Man-slaughter and attempted man-slaughter is the correct un-politicised charge, clearly the man is mentally unstable.
ps do ya like my toxic masculinity hun ?.
maxincony
You are a very good reason for not paying the telly tax.
Hope the police get involved in the Johnny Depp hate speech issue. Meanwhile, the youth vote gave us the benefit of their moral wisdom.
“I don’t even know what to say. I’m going to die,” said Jess Gallagher. “He reached out and touched my hand and I don’t know what to do. He’s an amazing actor and I’ve loved him ever since I studied him in year 11 in A-Level drama. I can’t cope!”
I defer to the new power in UK politics.
I’ve googled that, i cant find anything, liberal luvvie, or did he break the mould, what did he say ?.
Got a homespun theory for this Fol-deR.
I am always reminded of the worship of bone relics from a martyr as others got people to pay to touch and be healed. Very Catholic, very indulgent and a great money spinner and show of spirituality by the elite.
The sick and stupid would not be allowed into the presence of the relic without a mediating clergy of licensed toadies to get the money and bless the indulgences.
Noted it when Liam Gallagher threw his tambourine into the crowd at the Ariana Grande concert.
No matter that he`d only just flown in by private plane, or used the occassion to plug his useless new single.
These Gods among us get away with all this.
Also reminded of Madonna falling on her arse at the Brits. Ant and Dec would not dare to say so for fear of her banishing the worthless Geordies to the other side of that velvet rope.
These tossers mock the Egyptians for their old habit of worshipping cats,mock us for being Christians. Yet here they are -weeping over a plectrum, utter shallow emotional incontinents all wrapped up for halal.
After wave after wave of Islamics murdering innocents all over the planet in the most gruesome manner – decapitations, crucifixions, all watched by the devout screaming “allahu ackbar”, and newspapers are asking what caused the attack on Finsbury mosque? Are they mad?
People can only stand passively by and watch their children being shredded by nail bombs while being called “racist haters” before someone has had enough.
The really surprising thing is why it has taken so long? And why so few? And why after all this, the real reason behind the attacks – Koranically sanctioned and instigated Jihad, is whitewashed, and the blame put on the Internet? 1400 years of Jihad mass murder, some 250 million, and the MSM is still clueless.
They aren’t clueless. And neither are the politicians. They imported these Muslims by the millions, when the lesson of history,and writers of the past, was not to allow Muslims into the country. Politicians are now desperate to pass the buck.
The photo of the young dead girl with the teddy bear by her side and one you don’t show in the same Islamic attack of a man just sitting still beside his dead wife/girlfriend are for me the two most powerful moving photographs I have seen, at the time and even now they bring tears to my eyes.. the very reason the MSM won’t show these images.
Little Alain dead on the beach has been shown a hundred times, the dead little girl covered up on a French street I have only seen three times, the third here. To the MSM this little girl and all the other victims of Islamic terrorism are simply history.
Vile propaganda by omission.
Is this the one
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/nice-attack-heartbreaking-photo-girl-child-doll-lorry-truck-france-bastille-day-a7138201.html
For me though it was the scenes in Beslan.
28 pages of
http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/photos/beslan?excludenudity=true&sort=mostpopular&mediatype=photography&phrase=beslan&family=editorial
Among them this
http://binaryapi.ap.org/cf030e56d3e4da11af9f0014c2589dfb/preview/AP040903019939.jpg?wm=api&ver=0
For Maxi , the whole point here is that people have no problem condemning Darren Osbourne : there is no justification fo such violence. We have no holy book that says what he did was noble. Nothing that stops us expressing sympathy with the families of his victims. People frequently say here #AllLivesMatter.
Today the Time reports that the infirm 51 year old Makram Ali died of multiple injuries, implying that he was not already dead from a heart attack or something.
Not that should make any difference cos whether he killed people or not, he intended to kill people.. His mental state being another thing.
If a p*ssed up Chelsea hooligan has a strong dislike to Millwall fans and punches one
.. is that violence toward a political aim ?
… it that terrorism ??
In my book it’s mindless violence , which he should be punished for , cos he shouldn’t have let himself get drunk.
Would we say he’s been radicalised by a hate preacher commentator ?
Muslim doctor now held over , flawed circumcision of boy without asking mothers permission.
https://twitter.com/UU44M/status/878206107847733252
Be careful here because as far as I can tell you have this wrong.
Balvinder Mehat is not a Muslim name but a Hindu one, and it seems that his ‘crime’ is have performed an operation for religious reasons not medical ones, with only the consent of the father, and not the mother.
It is the father who is a Muslim and although the mother is not named it appears to have been another dim witted non Muslim woman who believed the lies about Islam and married this man and had his baby.
Ha, ha. The BBC motivated Darren Osbourne. They’re going to be so peeved about that!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4632480/Police-charge-Darren-Osborne-47-murder.html
‘Suspected terrorist accused of Finsbury Park van attack ‘was motivated in his hatred of Muslims by watching BBC’s Three Girls drama about Rotherham grooming gang’
Another story-like Georgias election this week, like the leaking of those pictures from the Manchester bombing by Wall St-and like the burning cladding and fridge bombs of Grenfell-that is currently getting the Chernobyl Sarcophagus in (admittedly better) concrete.
That BBC landfill is filling up-and the bones will rise up and out to haunt them,
They are reporting he was motivated by ‘extreme political views’ and a ‘hatred of Muslims’ but there was no mention of the three girls drama (which actually blamed everyone BUT the Muslims).
Heads in the sand yet again.
Got to say that Osbornes response was not what comes to mind on seeing the Three Girls series.
It wasn`t over-brave, but did some things well. I`d recommend the bit in part Three, where Daddy gives his speech in the dock.
Words to the effect that if you dopey white parents actually stayed together long enough to watch your girls grow up…if you stopped peddling porn and teen sex in schools, and actually knew where they were on a schoolday night instead of gambling screwing, gorging and boozing your sadsacks lives away…then the likes of daddy would not be such a tempting fat lap.
Until Darren has a riposte to that-and isn`t himself one of those dads that daddy requires-then he`d have been better off going around Splot or Roath getting girls out of the kebab shops and boozeshacks.
Will pray for the poor Osborne…the Nazis also got attacked by Van Der Lubbe and Grynszpan…these blokes are now heroes, so any totalitarian ideology had better realise that snuffing out legitimate protest invokes this kind of seeming lunacy.
quote : \\The court heard how Osborne’s ‘hatred’ of Muslims stemmed from watching Three Girls (pictured), a lauded docu-drama which aired last month on the BBC //
@Maxincony.
Serious question. Are you a BBC employee, a Muslim, a Guardian reader..or all three?
missed a few, idiot,prick,boring.