Start the Week Open Thread 21 May 2018

As many Britons bath in the post  nuptuals of a recent diverse wedding we return to the sad prospect of biased al Beeb. Monday the 21st – start of the Grenfell inquiry, Tuesday 22nd – anniversary of the Muslim terrorist attack in Manchester and at the end of the week the Irish Referendum on abortion . And the ongoing attacks on President Trump, Brexit and anyone or anything of which Albeeb groupthink disapproves

so a busy week…

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736 Responses to Start the Week Open Thread 21 May 2018

  1. fakenewswatcher says:

    Interested in the US? Bill Still’s 2241 is worth watching. It seems former CIA Director John Brennan features big time in trying to bring down Trump. I was trying to remember where I’d seen Brennan before. Oh yes, on BBC news recently, telling us all about how it was the Russians wot did it and what a baddie Trump is.
    But then, Brennan is who you’d expect to see on the BBC. If Brennan is not careful, the next place the corporation will have to go to interview him is a Federal prison.

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    • Up2snuff says:

      Are we witnessing, fnw, the clash of two egos – Trump’s and Bannon’s – like two pieces of different ‘weights’ of fissionable material – Plutonium and Uranium – being brought together?

      For the next two and a half years (or, perhaps, six and half years) we may have to continually put up with these impacts that will irradiate our airwaves, newspaper racks and bookshelves and give the listeners, viewers and readers a form of awful sickness.

      Never mind. Think of it like banging your head against a wall …..

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    • Peter Grimes says:

      And there is more…

      https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/did-obama-spy-on-trump/

      Apologies if I’ve missed this having been posted previously.

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  2. G.W.F. says:

    First prosecution in the UK for forced marriage. Mother tricks daughter into marriage to an older relative who had made her pregnant when she was 13.

    BBC reports, quite correctly omitting the teenager’s name, but
    can anyone explain why the mother was not named?

    Are there special legal arrangements for the perfect people?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-44211541

    A little more
    https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/birmingham-mum-found-guilty-tricking-14691617

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    • Dysgwr_Cymraeg says:

      Yeah GWF, they’ll use the get-out-of-jail card that ID’ing the mother blows the ID of the child.
      Bastards.

      Bloody good job she never shouted Britain First eh?

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    • Tabs says:

      The two clues in the BBC article:
      1. Birmingham Crown Court
      2. Trip to Pakistan

      I very much doubt the mothers name is Mrs Smith.

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      • JimS says:

        ‘Birmingham mum’? Taking your kids to Weston-super-Mare used to be considered exotic for Birmingham mums. I expect it is the cheap air travel that allows them to go further afield now.

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Suppose al beeb will be talking about “respecting other cultures ‘ such as Pakistani peasants .

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    • StewGreen says:

      Articles do explain “The mother, who cannot be named for legal reasons to protect the identity of the victim”

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      • Dysgwr_Cymraeg says:

        And I’d expect that Stew, but if there was a Britain First connection, they’d find a way.

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  3. StewGreen says:

    BBC Right on ? to gays, but to the old
    Age UK says BBC negatively stereotypes over 60’s, when actually they not an homogeneous group
    ..it’s a quarter of UK population so a 90 year old has quite different culture from a 60 year old.
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/don-t-brand-over-60s-old-and-doddery-bbc-is-told-lqrhr6svl

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  4. Payne by name says:

    Not related to the Beeb but I don’t know if anyone has seen the latest PragerU video from Candace Owens.

    She might dwell on her granddad a little too much but given the comments earlier about certain minorities playing the victim card, this video is explosive.

    Wonder if it will get censored like some other Prager ones have been.

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    • MarkyMark says:

      Posted on going-postal.com – excellent find.

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    • Up2snuff says:

      Candace Owens is a brave woman in the current climate of media installed and instilled racism. Found myself thinking that she is a well rounded human being. Not black. Not white. Nowhere in between.

      Just a proper human being. Brilliant.

      A shining light to compare with all the TOADY dimness and darkness. Thank you Candace and thank you Payne.

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      • Payne by name says:

        I hear you. It’s refreshing to hear voices like hers, Tommy Sotomayor and definitely Larry Elder.

        Larry’s red pilling of Dave Rubin (and eternal credit to Rubin for acknowledging that it woke him up to the race baiting nonsense) is an impressive thing to behold. Just great to see a black person completely destroying the case that systemic racism stills exists in the US.

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    • StewGreen says:

      Powerful vid

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  5. StewGreen says:

    BBC is always going on about GENDER-gap
    but what about the REGION-gap ?
    : It’s a dumb thing to divide the population into men women, but that gives the metroLibs convenient narratives.
    The Press Association has done a study between London vs the Northeast which has a third of the population.
    Medical students : 245 vs 1,585 (equal proportion would be 525)
    University places each year : 6,420 vs 81,385 (equal proportion would be 27,000)
    ie you are 4 times more likely to go to uni if you come from London than NE)
    I’m guessing that since people retire outside London, it has a much younger population.
    Be an interesting to see a comparison of salaries.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-5755429/North-East-students-far-outnumbered-degree-subjects.html

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  6. StewGreen says:

    Harra-bin on Vine show claimed the government laws on woodburners are unworkable
    “Councils don’t currently have the power to prosecute people for it”
    ..Tosh ..they can make smokeless zones, but most don’t bother to prosecute

    .. In Lancaster a guy was fined £9,500

    Similar in Preston pub 2013
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2525802/Landlord-historic-pub-ordered-fires-passer-complains-smoke-street.html

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Stew – so bonfires to be made illegal as well as being a hate crime against papists . As an RC I was never morally challenged for going ‘ penny for the guy-ing’ and loved a good bonnie

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    • Up2snuff says:

      Stew, you know why LAs do not prosecute? They would be prosecuting themselves much of the time.

      They frequently employ contractors to clear areas of vegetation. Time for the job is limited but a site must be cleared. You will often see the waste being burnt without it being allowed to dry out first.

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  7. StewGreen says:

    LibEstablishment : ‘Yeh these bloggers are out of control, we need more censorship’
    Grenfell : ‘Yeh this blogger said there was a BIg fire risk, we should have listened to him’

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  8. StewGreen says:

    Nigerian worker caught up in Carillion collapse now facing deportation from the UK despite getting job with another firm to do the same work.
    ..em He probably shouldn’t be here in the first place, considering EU engineers have priority.
    Just cos another UK company will employ him doesn’t make his immigration status legal.
    https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/home-affairs/immigration/news/95348/excl-furious-mps-demand-answers-home-office-ex-carillion

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    • G says:

      SG,
      I’ll bet Archie Bish will be out soon in support of the Home Office tearing up the Rule Book and keeping him in the UK.

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  9. MarkyMark says:

    UK tried to mock the religion with a book … outrage and deaths.
    Danish tried to mock the religion with a cartoon … outrage and deaths.
    Dutch tried to mock the religion with a film … deaths and outrage.
    France tried to mock the religion with a magazine … deaths and outrage.

    … there is a pattern here …

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    • RobRoy says:

      Let’s not be too hasty and jump to conclusions, Mark. Could all just be :-
      1) a coincidence
      or
      2) they really are the victims they make themselves out to be

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  10. MarkyMark says:

    The future is off the tracks ….We need EU regulation to stop accidents. If your religion dictates it you can do what you want.

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    • G.W.F. says:

      Surely it would invite a race hate charge in any attempt to produce evidence that the driver ‘s concentration was impaired due to his requirement to obey allah akibar.

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  11. scribblingscribe says:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-44210021

    “BBC Trending: Teaching boys not to ‘stalk for love’
    By Georgina Rannard BBC News”

    Ah, so girls don’t stalk then. Not ever. Not once.

    Perhaps Georgina should get her head out of the Guardian women’s pages and read what the shrinks and psychologists say. Though that would be research over BBC/Guardian politics.

    She could of course start here …
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2695740/

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    • Guest Who says:

      Georgina surely would not need to go far given BBC ladies have driven bbc men to tragic measures already.

         13 likes

  12. Guest Who says:

    Comments could be going better.

    Starting with the whole bbc factual premise being inaccurate.

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    • gb123 says:

      Exactly, the whole BBC premise is lazy “journalism”.
      Even a simple search on Google or the dreaded Wikipedia such as “official language of the USA” would show that officially the USA has no official language.

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  13. Sir_Arthur_Strebe-Grebling says:

    Normal service has been cancelled.
    Half of today’s bBBC ‘news’ is about Grenfell Tower, blaming those who the ‘survivors’ say are responsible.
    The other half is about the Manchester concert, with no mention of blaming the Muslim bomber.

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    • Guest Who says:

      Also there are accidents… that can happen, or get made to… apparently.

      How an error like this gets made is intriguing.

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    • BRISSLES says:

      Our news channels don’t do anything by halves. Wall to wall coverage of the ‘W’ over the weekend and now 2 day water torture of reminisces. I refuse to watch the comic show known as the One Show, and am reduced to an ancient episode of Murder She Wrote !! Cant wait to see what tomorrow will bring – oh God yes, its PMs questions, deep joy.

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  14. taffman says:

    “The Brexit vote has left households £900 worse off, Bank of England governor Mark Carney has said.”
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44207677
    Does he make it up as he goes along?
    Who employed him?

    Great Britain has lost far more in the 43 years since we joined the EU………….
    Democracy
    Control of our borders
    Control of our own laws
    Freedom of speech
    Freedom of trade
    Our Industry
    Our fishing grounds
    And God knows how much money we have paid in to the EU ?

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    • Eddy Booth says:

      Mr Carney said: “Real household incomes are about £900 lower than we forecast in 2016. The question is why and what drove that difference. Some of it is ascribed to Brexit.”

      So ‘Some of it’ become all of it in BBC parlance.
      And the levels just haven’t reached his forcast, hardly an accurate measure… I wonder how many forcasts he called correctly?
      Who employed him ?
      I guess there was no one suitabe among the 500,000,000 EU citizens,
      so they had to look elsewhere.
      Not a great endorsement for the block…

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    • ToobiWan says:

      To be fair, Taff, it’s made a lot of third rate politicians rich though. In Madeira at the mo (can we still say mo?) talking to fellow Brits about their views on Brexit and the enrichment of their societies. The majority, after a little suspicion, open up as if in a confessional, genuine relief to find others who think as they do and are terrified at the direction the UK is heading in and what the future holds for their loved ones especially. Others who voted to remain, tend to be the ones who own property, or time shares and are fearful of losing same should we ever leave. Great spot, Madeira, wonderful people and the only towel heads tend to be ladies coming out of the pool!

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  15. fakenewswatcher says:

    I dare say this has been mentioned earlier on this site, but what puzzles me is the apparently complete disappearance of Lee Rigby from the BBC et al today. His brutal murder (one could go into a lengthy debate on whether it was a ‘racist’ murder or not) occurred on this day, some years ago, did it not? One can think of other persons who were murdered (possibly for somewhat similar reasons?), who are commemorated with huge coverage and in many ways.
    How can this be explained? Ignorance? Bias? Did I simply miss it? In a nation that prides itself on fairness..?
    (If it is bias, then it seems to me to be a particularly inhuman bias, perhaps like the way the cowardly murder itself was conducted).

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  16. Guest Who says:

    Now, if it had been ‘Lucy Award wins bronze’….

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    • Rich says:

      How many people voted?

      “Being a defender it’s harder to get recognised”. Yes, that’s the reason, although just you leave it to the bBbc, soon sort that out. The One Show, Football Focus, Breakfast Time, cooking, dancing, Children in Need, you’ll be recognised soon enough.

      You’re bBbc gold Lucy, not bronze.

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  17. Englands Dreaming says:

    With the capitulation of Gove and Boris the Conservatives have killed Brexit with their “back stop” , which perhaps was the plan all along aided and abetted by the BBC and the rest of the MSM.

    There of course is JRM who could potentially spoil the arrangement, maybe that is why The Beeb and others have been out today trying to conduct a character assassination on the man.

    Abortion debate: Jacob Rees-Mogg and Jo Swinson
    http://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-politics-44214559/abortion-debate-jacob-rees-mogg-and-jo-swinson

    Jacob Rees-Mogg slams ‘religious bigotry’ over his hardline Catholic views on abortion and gay marriage saying his faith should NOT bar him from high office
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5758109/Jacob-Rees-Mogg-slams-religious-bigotry-hardline-Catholic-views-abortion.html

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  18. Eddy Booth says:

    ”How can M&S get back in fashion?
    By Lucy Hooker & Tom Espiner Business reporters, BBC News ”
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44209490
    Does it really need a two reporter collaboration to knock out a lightweight article and one with no new insights.
    Anyway, I’ll tell you why I don’t go in my local branch, it’s the same reason I stopped flying British Airways:
    stale, miserable and rude staff who have been there decades and are long past their use by date.
    It’s also the number one storefront location for immigrant Big Issue sellers, a bunch with a knack of homing in on the places where dopey tossers visit.
    If M and S can’t prosper with that low IQ customer base, they deserve to go bust.

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    ”Bayley Freer mainly goes into M&S for food ”

    Probably buys £8 a pop glorified TV dinners:
    get in the kitchen and learnt to cook from scratch.

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Eddy – I really couldn’t agree more . As someone who is on the very tall side a visit to m and s is a depressing venture . I told them and I told them to stocks sizes as I buy a lot of stuff when it fits . So ready for a take over is m and s.

      Any way to al beeb- guido has put up the section of double pen sorry DP – with JRM almost doing a Cathy Newman job on that beeboid jo coburn with her innate beeboid hatred for Christ via Christianity . I took her line personally as, like JRM, i am a practicing RC and try to go with its flow. I’m weak on the forgiveness bit – particularly with Muslim suicide killers . It’s 6 minutes and it is worth it as she back peddles …

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  19. Chalkywhite says:

    The insidious BBC diversity mantra has even permeated to the Beebs programming of the RHS Chelsea Flower Show…..A refugee garden. FFS.

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    • BRISSLES says:

      And with some presenter called James Wong (?) who waves his hands about so much at every word, he clearly cant find a hand dryer !

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      • MartinW says:

        Wong is, I think, the person who Upspeaks (to my intense annoyance and irritation), i.e. a rising inflextion at the end of sentences where every answer sounds like a question. Whenever he is on GQT, I switch off. The BBC could put a stop to it (as also refusing to broadcast anyone who starts a sentence with ‘So,’), but they won’t. Rant over!

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        • JimS says:

          Absolutely! (BBC-speak for ‘yes’).

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        • BRISSLES says:

          Martin, I think its peculiar to that generation who were brought up watching Neighbours ! and if I’m ever spoken to with that intonation, I reply with “is that a question ?”.

          As for Wong, he is apparently an ethnobotanist, – me neither, but obviously makes him feel important, and is fast becoming a presenter who is in favour (like Ore Oduba), and gets where castor oil cant.

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          • Up2snuff says:

            James Wong is a regular on Gardeners Question Time panels, one of the few decent BBC Radio 4 programmes left.

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  20. Chalkywhite says:

    The insidious BBC diversity mantra has even permeated through to the Beebs programming of the RHS Chelsea Flower Show…..A refugee garden. FFS. Hope there aren’t any IEDs hidden in the fushias?

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  21. Eddy Booth says:

    Should white people ever sing the N-word?
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-44209119
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    ”The controversy over the use of the N-word has hit the headlines again after a white woman was booed at a Kendrick Lamar gig for singing it on stage.
    The rapper invited the woman to sing M.A.A.D City during his set at the Hangout Festival in Alabama.
    But Lamar stopped her after she repeatedly used the N-word – which is heard multiple times in his song.
    As the crowd reacted angrily, Kendrick told the fan: “You gotta bleep one single word.”
    The N-word is a derogatory term; a racial slur which was used to refer to and insult black slaves, but today it is used prominently in hip-hop.”

    Priceless… the patronizing bbc explaining the N-word,
    anyways it’s nigger that is the derogatory term, not the euphemism n-word.

    Heres a funny clip of a white rapper using the naughty
    word in the 2002 movie
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    • JimS says:

      “Heres a funny clip of a white rapper using the naughty word in the 2002 movie”

      Really? Reverse the races and imagine the uproar. (BBC Young Musician of the Year appears at Last Night Of The Proms and an angry ‘front row’ drags him off the stage and chucks him in a skip – hilarious!)

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    • Payne by name says:

      How utterly outrageous.

      Performer gets a girl up on stage who starts singing his lyrics with him and then shames her in front of everyone for singing those lyrics.

      If they are so offensive, if those words trigger you so much – then maybe don’t write them or perform songs with them in them.

      But this is an ‘artist’ that gets a probably giddy fan up on stage and then proceeds to humiliate her – disgusting.

      Paul Joseph Watson gave this twat a rightful battering.

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  22. G says:

    spotted this gem focusing on the BBC:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aT1MLzo_ThA
    It may be my imagination but it seems that the whole of the Western World is seriously simmering at the moment.

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    • Eddy Booth says:

      But whats the rational and end game for these politically correct people wanting to hand Europe over to the muslims?
      They are soon going to run out of white flight areas and suburbs to move to, as they themselves seem to prefer not living near their imports.
      Maybe the rich have some long term plan to move to the Americas or something.
      Bizarre scheme whatever it is..

         34 likes

      • JamesArthur says:

        I’m off to Poland…they won’t surrender.. 🙂

        Actually you just have to hope that sense will see through but with things as they are I am not optimistic…

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    • Englands Dreaming says:

      This guy takes apart the BBC Teach video very well

      Here is a link to the actual Beeb vid

      Ermm comments have been disabled for this video, but its good to see that half the watchers felt motivated to give it a thumbs down.

      How much cash does the BBC waste on garbage like this that virtually no one watches?

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      • BRISSLES says:

        NO SUCH THING AS A REAL BRIT ? a statement generally made by the mixed race, or immigrants. I’d like someone to have had that argument with my male relatives who spent a lifetime working down the Pit. – who never saw immigrants working underground, unless they were Welsh or Scottish !!

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        • taffman says:

          BRISSLES
          Hear hear!
          Londonistan’s Londoncentric media spin and propaganda.
          Just because the city is full of them does not mean we have an open door to more and more.
          More houses, more schools, more hospitals, more doctors, more police, and much more infrastructure.
          When will it all end?
          Mrs May , we are full up, that’s why we voted for Brexit and independence.

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  23. Guest Who says:

    The bbc finds another person whose views are their own, to share, uniquely.

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    • Eddy Booth says:

      No way am I accepting twatters :
      ”By playing this video you agree to Twitter’s use of cookies
      This use may include analytics, personalization, and ads.
      Learn more
      OK”
      So I guess I’ll have to have a sleepless night wondering what some non-entity would ask The Donald..

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    • Thatcherrevolutionary says:

      I doubt President Trump would even meet this piece of shit.

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    • Rich says:

      The USA has, according to Wikipedia, a population of over 320 million.

      According to the Nielsen Company in the week 30/4 – 5/4 (American stylee, end of April – start of May) The Daily Show with Trevor Noah was watched each night by an average of 770, 000 viewers. Is that roughly a quarter of a percent, 0.25 %, of the population?

      Just how influential does Trevor Noah and the bBbc think that we think he actually is? It seems that he and the bBbc and the rest of his opinionated and much vaunted peers, sycophantically heralded and flattered by the bBbc, from the world of showbiz, or journalism, or satire, (whatever it is it’s seldom entertainment), may be a little delusional when gauging their influence on the American people and politics.

      James Corden? 1.39 million, 0.5 % of the population.
      Jimmy Fallon? 2.68 million, 0.9 %
      Stephen Colbert? 3.85 million viewers, about 1.2 %?

      I think that Saturday Night Live averages about 8.5 million viewers. Less than 3 % of the population. Only 2.53 million watched the SNL vintage show on May 19, 2018.

      Now, who really gives a shit about what this man would ask Trump? How many viewers actually find Alex Baldwin impersonating Donald Trump ‘hilarious’? Why do Kimmel, Corden, Colbert and the rest think that, on the scale of things, them or their opinions actually matter?

      And, more importantly, if nobody in America gives a shit about Trevor Noah and friends, what makes the bBbc think that anybody in Britain or anywhere else does?

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  24. StewGreen says:

    Middle of tonight’s BBC Look North had what amounted to an advert for US funded lobby group Client Earth, that’s who must have supplied the animated graphics for a report that said ‘government clean air law talk, Scunthorpe most polluted’
    To me that is FakeNews since Scunthorpe is so windy, away from the sensor the air is clean.

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  25. Beeb Brother says:

    Radio 4 ‘news’ briefing: Javid has agreed more funding for something, possibly the NHS; a head of blackness or something similar wants more black kids at Oxford and is mentoring kids through school; a woman says too many film and tv scripts are written by men. Groundhog Broadcasting Corporation.

    Perhaps more shows are made by men as on average they have different skill sets to women? Extremes of intelligence – Mozart, Shakespeare, Newton, Einstein etc – tend to be male, and men on average are more interested in ideas than women. So what? You do not get harmony if everyone plays the same note. Equality should not mean ‘sameness.’

    They are so stupid for passing ‘hate speech’ laws as now to even mention this hate fact could land you in prison. So we will grope around in the dark looking for all this imaginary ‘oppression’ and total garbage will get commissioned purely on the basis the author is a woman.

    How can we ever get out of this mess if it is illegal to even propose a solution, yet along put one into practice?

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    • Ian Rushlow says:

      a woman says too many film and tv scripts are written by men
      I’m guessing that moan was made without any reference to factual evidence. I tend to read the credits on movies and TV shows to see who the writers, producers and directors are. The large number of female names is very noticeable, probably around the 50/50 level on modern productions. It is also irrelevant, as it is supposed to be about talent and whether the mix is 50/50, 99/1, 1/99 or any level inbetween is inconsequential if a quality product is being provided. I suspect that ‘the woman who says’ has a mindset dating from the 1960s or earlier, when perhaps matters were different.

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  26. DownBoy says:

    Today prog actually has ‘not enuff diversity in Oxford entrants’ as the main news item.
    1) Fake news. No analysis of other essential criteria for Oxford entry.
    2) Identity politics. Someone’s colour or race is more important to the BBC than their individuality.
    3) Irrelevence. No-one outside the BBC/Guardian bubble gives a fiddler’s frig about this.

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    • Beeb Brother says:

      Why do Chinese out perform white British pupils if the system is racist?

      Unequal outcomes are caused by different cultural values not racist institutions.

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  27. Fedup2 says:

    Toady watch

    A personal record . The “off switch “ at 0630 your time . Al beeb leading on not enough dark people in Oxford . There is no explanation for why this is a bad thing . No discussion of meritocracy . Just white beeboids talking about dark people .

    Then some liberal son of the 1960s called Phillip Roth who died . I tried one of his books once . Unreadable charity shop fodder.

    Then President Trump wanting to play golf when he visits Blighty. Better to do that than engage with the venomous msm . I think he’s doing it to wind them up bless him . He has succeeded .

    ( down boy – it wasn’t plagiarism honest !)

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    • DownBoy says:

      Haha. No worries Fedup. It bears repeating I think. Cheers for all you’re doing for the site!

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  28. DownBoy says:

    That’s three separate segments of Toady about Philip Roth so far. Is he really all that important?

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    • 7Clubs says:

      Phillip Roth was arguably the most admired living literary writer in English and as such his death deserves attention far more than the deaths of 3rd division politicians pop stars or sportsman.
      Recommend anyone try Roth`s books `The Counterlife` `American Pastoral` `The Human Stain`
      Would also recommend a British crime writer Phillip Kerr who died 2 months . Try `The lady from Zagreb`
      Anyone looking for male babies to be great writers – call them `Phillip`

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    • Beeb Brother says:

      Pourtnoy’s Complaint and Goodbye Columbus are worth reading. The former is somewhat smutty though.

      The Beeb love a good death as it is an excuse to not report on any actual things which are happening in the dystopia they have created.

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      • Fedup2 says:

        Beeb- re the smut – could you recommend a page number ? ( kidding )

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        • Beeb Brother says:

          Ha! I think a famous scene from the film ‘American Pie’ is inspired by the book. That is all I shall say!

          Great work on the website.

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    • Guest Who says:

      The role of BBC Sad Passing Editor is a serious one, and the BBC Sad Passing Editorial Department is struggling to cope. There are of course many sub departments, with scores of staff ready to stand outside hospitals looking sad for weeks if necessary. Literary is one of the major ones, as clearly there many what have wrote a play, or book.

      Luckily bbc editorial integrity is there when triage issues intrude.

      Hence if a Wilbur Smith pops off, passing note only likely. A JKR, then wailing and rending of clothes for a year.

      A Bonnie Greer…. full mourning for eternity.

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  29. Tabs says:

    The One Show on BBC1 did some top quality “Manchester Incident” virtue signalling last night.

    Matt Baker must have had sombre face/head lowering training. He said “….yeah….when me and my family woke up this morning we were… like….[shakes head]”

    He then went on to introduce a bit about how 10,000 people got a bumble bee tattoo to ‘show support for the victims’ with a sprinkling of liberals saying “hope not hate”.

    Seriously? Is this what the human race has descended to? Used to be prayers and candles, then hashtags, and now tattoos. I bet Islamic terrorists are shaking in their boots right now.

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    • Al Shubtill says:

      Interesting that they chose the bee to represent the “cohesion” people need to replicate in the face of “hate”
      Their choice of a bee is curious, since bees have a very different response to “hate” or more specifically a threat to their “community,” than the one our “community” is expected to exhibit. They attempt its destruction, even if they are destroyed in the process and they never give in.
      Also, I’m not aware of bees allowing other insects (especially hostile ones) to live amongst them.

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    • BRISSLES says:

      Ah well Tabs, its all over for another year, and before you have time to blink – like Britains Got Talent the next 12 months will race by, and we’ll have to endure it all over again.

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    • Rob in Cheshire says:

      Tabs:

      I couldn’t agree more.

      I rarely go into Manchester these days, though I used to work and socialise there, and knew it like the back of my hand.

      The Labour city council have mucked up a lot of it, Piccadilly Gardens is a disgrace, mostly notable nowadays for open air drug dealing and homeless people zombified by Spice. Welcome to Manchester indeed.

      In the rest of the city, apartment buildings seem to spring up overnight. They all the look the same, and are usually for students. They are just identikit rubbish, designed by computers.

      But what really angers me is that one year on from the Arena atrocity we just have a left wing kumbaya wankfest, culminating in a mass singing of “All You Need is Love” in Albert Square. So what?

      The fact is that nothing has changed. There has been no attempt to control the spread of the terroristic ideas of islam. There has been no attempt to control mosques or what is preached in them. The bottom line is that if another muslim decides to build a bomb and set it off in the centre of Manchester tommorow, there is absolutely nothing to stop him.

      That is the truth, everything else is garbage.

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      • G.W.F. says:

        See how the Manchester communities come together for northern cultural events.
        A great day out for our Annie and the kids.

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        • Moodswing6 says:

          Rocket scientists, doctors and engineers mixing with actors artists and authors on the sidelines, helping to make Grate Britain the multicultural envy of the world. Have a look on you tube at Brigitte Gabriel…..the clip where she speaks on the islamization of Lebanon. Also the most disgusting propaganda from the BBC
          What does it mean to be British today Citizenship Don’t hate the debate. I and others have mentioned it on previous posts but both of these clips sum up succinctly how sickening things are.

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      • Moodswing6 says:

        The situation in this country is so bad it’s making me ill. I am trying my best not to be concerned but when you are confronted with the reality and you really care about this tiny island where you were born it is impossible to sleep at night. While the useless political system has totally failed us one might hope to find a rock in the good old BBC. Remember the days when the the news was actually a simple affair. One man in front of the camera reading real news with one main bulletin. Now it’s 24/7 carefully crafted fucking lies and there are thousands of them on hand to ensure they screw us with every word. Rob as you said NOTHING HAS CHANGED. Initially I agreed, then I realised things have changed. They have GOT WORSE. We are being shafted on Brexit despite being led to believe otherwise, Lee Rigby (god I hope he’s at peace, the guy was just going out for some lunch wasn’t he?) Westminster Bridge, London Bridge, the tube atrocities, Manchester,all of the European deaths. I don’t believe that they actually released how some of the people were murdered in that club. It stinks and WE are the colonisers, the bastards, the evil ones who deserve this shit. Like hell we do. Instead of addressing the crises and admitting WE HAVE A PROBLEM, it’s all about hate speech, and thought crime. Muslims are the victims and we are villains. Screw the government, all of them. Screw the BBC and the SJW who think diversity is our strength. I’m ill because I feel helpless. I can see what’s happening. The political parties see it too, Sadiq Khan sees it very clearly but he doesn’t feel ill, he feels empowered like all the fucking Muslims do. For gods sake they hate us. Absolutely, completely hate us. Racism! I’m not the racist. The fucking Muslims are. I’m the guy who would want to hold my hand out to shake theirs.
        I’m ill because I know that THAT THEY KNOW. The government know, MI5 and 6 know, the BBC know, Macron knows, Tredeau knows, Merkel knows, the EU knows. THEY ALL FUCKING KNOW. Except that is for the kids. The younger ones at school and the older ones at university. Brainwashed by their teachers and lecturers AND THE BBC, they are being turned into simplistic brain deficient compliant useful idiots. At the present level of brainwashing they are in serious danger of self destruction while happily believing that they are skipping into a cultural utopia. It’s those very kids that I want to see a future for that right now would either see me butchered or denounce me as a racist facist bastard when in fact I’m actually trying to be their guardian angel.

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  30. Fedup2 says:

    I put something here yesterday about Jo Coburn on the daily politics yesterday asking Jacob RM about his religious beliefs .

    Twitter is still talking about it and it is vexing me into thinking about a formal complaint to al beeb .

    I looked up Mrs coburn on wiki : she is an active Jew, apparently goes to the liberal synagogue in Hendon. Assuming all this is true – to ask someone the sort of stuff she asked JRM – without treating others the same is just – well – you decide .

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    • Jeff says:

      I saw the Coburn / Mogg interview / interrogation yesterday. It’s always the same on the Beeb, anyone to the right of Lenin gets a hostile, all guns blazing reception. They’re nothing if not predictable.
      If you’re a practising Christian you’re regarded as some sort of malevolent curiosity. JRM has always been clear that his religious views wouldn’t encroach upon his political life. Seems perfectly reasonable to me.
      Next week Jo’s interviewing London’s Muslim Mayor Khan. Apparently she’s going to grill him about Muslim segregation, where he stands on forced marriages, honour killings and FGM.
      Don’t hold your breath…

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      • G says:

        Jeff,
        I did also watch that on YouTube yesterday evening. Thank you. I could not put a name to that woman with the SS Storm-Troopers jaw-line and an attitude to fit same. Now I can. Expect more…………..

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      • scribblingscribe says:

        Jeff, you are right. Anyone who agrees with the narrow BBC political line is invited to offer their view and listened to with the patience people once had listening to Buddha.

        When someone, even slightly, disagrees with the BBC’s line they are delivered a negative, aggressive question, to put them on the defensive and then constantly interrupted. Finally the interviewer will add a witless putdown at the end before inviting someone else to challenge the views just offered.

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      • thehoiman says:

        Remember though: In the minds of the LibMob, that still makes the BBC biased *towards* the right wing, simply for having them on the air in the first place!

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  31. MarkyMark says:

    Don’t look back in anger … don’t look back … don’t review what happened … don’t think about it … don’t … look forward … stay united … don’t look back at 22 murders … don’t look back at 0 arrests .. don’t look back at a useless PM who said ‘Enough is Enough’ with no action … Don’t look back in anger.

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  32. Al Shubtill says:

    I caught a little of the Jeremy Swine Show yesterday, he was discussing the Manchester bombing with another Beeboid who had made a documentary about it which was to be shown that night.
    I studiously avoided al Beebus’ coverage of the anniversary since I knew what it would consist of and reading the posts by fellow contributors here, about the reporting yesterday, confirmed my assumptions.
    However the bit of Jezza’s programme I caught encapsulated the al Beebus’ narrative. The M or I words weren’t used once in the interview and the documentary maker used the word “tragic” to describe the “events”.
    The Islamic terrorist attack in Manchester was carried out to murder and to maim as many young women and girls as possible: it wasn’t a “tragic” event. It would have been if the deaths and injuries had been caused by an explosion due to an accidental gas leak or something similar, they weren’t.
    It wasn’t an “event” or an “incident” – it was a deliberate atrocity.

    The reason al Beebus peddle this line is to further the implication that it was similar to a natural disaster, or an unavoidable accident and how can one feel rage at deaths caused by such things? It would be irrational, since they aren’t intended.

    Which is why the script is always about “love”; “bringing us together”; “uniting people” but the questions are never asked: for what reason? Why do you need to be brought together? Who or what are you united against?
    Those questions are multiculturally blasphemous and so al Beebus doesn’t go anywhere near them.

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  33. taffman says:

    “Population growth and the impact of climate change are expected to add to supply pressures.”
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-44215418
    TOO MANY people coming in to the UK!
    Not enough resources or infrastructure.
    convoluting weather with immigration .
    The weather has not been anywhere near to that of the summer of 1976.
    Will it be standpipes next week ?
    Who is running the outfit now , Blue Peter?

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    • Emmanuel Goldstein says:

      Taff,
      On the bbc news this morning it was saying that water may be rationed in a decade or so for each person in a household because of shortages in supply.

      No mention of the extra million coming in every 3 years.
      They alone will need around 180 billion gallons extra each year every 3 years.

      Another benefit of the mass immigration forced upon us.

      They also mentioned that many towns and villages on the NE coast are becoming ghost towns with as many as 4 out of 5 houses being bought up for holiday homes.
      The young people can not afford to buy anywhere and many are leaving.
      Sounds familiar, others moving into an area and taking over.

      ‘Some say’ they buy these houses as an investment because interest rates, still at the emergency, temporary low after 10 years, give no reason to save and housing gives better returns.

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      • taffman says:

        Emmanuel Goldstein
        Mrs May needs to get a grip or move aside for Rees-Mogg .
        Snowflake, ‘Meeja gradjooates’ are running Al Beeb.
        End the telly tax.

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        • G says:

          Taff,
          With all the clamour to put JRM up as a potential PM/Leader of the Conservatives, we all received a continual stream of emails from his fan club. Did it start a year or 18 months ago? I forget. Anyway, point being, I contacted his fan club and asked if they could send me or identify JRM’s own views of certain important topics so I could gauge his political attractiveness. I identified islam as a suggested one. Curiously, all the incoming emails stopped abruptly. Read into that what you will but, until I see a person stand up and say the currently ‘unsayable’ I’ll not support anyone. Eloquent though he may be, we do not need a more eloquent leader when everything else stays the same.

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          • taffman says:

            G
            One, I think JRM would be a better leader.
            Two, JRM is a Brexiteer.
            Three, Among my mates, JRM is more popular than Mrs May and not not all are Tory voters.

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          • Fedup2 says:

            G
            JRM has to be very careful about the kind of support he gets. He cannot be badged as far right and I think is playing the long game – or actually may not want ministerial office. He doesn’t need cash – unusual for a politician but perhaps it applies in his case.

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            • G says:

              Fed,
              Agreed, but next time I vote (assuming the tyranny is not complete until voting rights are withdrawn – you know, the EU’s preferred option), I don’t want to speculate on topics: ‘maybe’, ‘he might’, etc. If the POTUS is elected on his support for, “some say” (forgive me, couldn’t help myself) egregious proposals, that’ll work here for me.

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              • Fedup2 says:

                G
                I think there is a bit of a constitutional difference between voting for a head of state and effectively voting for a ‘governor ‘ or even worse than that – a pm not elected by the people but by MPs – of any political persuasion .

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    • Deborah says:

      Taff – on the Toady programme the item was introduced with the wording the other way round ie climate change and population pressures. I remember because it made me think is it that way round to hide the effect of population pressures (probably what you and I would call ‘large number of immigrants from outside of the UK moving to SE England’) or is it due to ‘climate change’ (I thought the latest thinking (imagination) was that it was going to bring us more rain. Anyway it is all OK because we can blame the farmers – or so said the Head of the Environment Agency and that they can be encouraged to use less water. Farmers are already charged for the water they use to irrigate their crops as well as for water used to dilute sprays, hydrate their cattle etc so farmers already tend not to use more water than they have to. In fact it could be ‘celebrated’ that many techniques have already been introduced to use less water.

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    • G says:

      On the basis that our “democratically” elected Government is actively encouraging the Third World to come to Britain to enhance its diversity, perhaps the Overseas Aid budget could be progressively reduced as its need is reduced. Then, subsidise the Water Companies with the money saved because, surely the “Overseas” aid budget can be applied in the UK as the “Overseas” are here/coming here?

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  34. Swelter says:

    Don’t look back in anger… Unless the tragedy can be conveniently hijacked for the Lefts political ends Grenville and the martyrdom of St Jo being the most recent. Then look back and work yourself into a shield biting berserker anger. Blaming all and sundry of your opponents. encouraging survivors and grieving relatives that it was some sort of conspiracy. Then looking back in anger is just dandy.

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  35. Up2snuff says:

    More Must Be Done!

    It is Dimness Day on TOADY (BBC R4 6-9am) or so it seems.

    Started listening close to 7am. Presenters are quite ignorant as to how water use is measured and invoiced. Also, they are totally oblivious as to why we might be running short of the stuff in the UK in the decades to come. Never mind about blaming the people who run the country or the Water Cos., it is all the customers fault so let us punish them with quotas and fines and penalties and higher bills.

    I assume that Beeboids earn so much money they can afford to employ PA’s who do such mundane tasks as paying Beeboids’ water and other utility bills and filing applications to Oxford University for their children. They have never seen such paperwork in their lives. Mere trivia.

    Instead they live in a Literal Universe where there is no mundane paperwork such as household bills.

    Instead there is the writing of Philip Roth, except not, no more. He is dead.

    TOADY is droning on and on about Roth because at least being able to commemorate an American writer and bring American contributors onto the programme, enables the BBC to continue its love affair with everything American. Except for President Trump, of course. No love for him or the Republican Party at the BBC. A light has gone out in the world, with the death of Roth. Where is Bishop Curry when you need him?

    Never mind, we will bring on Labour MPs and former MPs to complain and moan and ramp up grievances and dangers and problems. Oh woe! Pass the sackcloth, please.

    Dim David Lammy and even Dimmer Ed Balls get lots of airtime after Nick (Oxford, I go there a lot) Robinson dances in circles with a lady representing Oxford Colleges. He takes pins, with heads full of angels, and tries to stick them in the lady from Oxford. The Beeboids do not appear to know how applications are made to Oxford University. Such dry matters as subject popularity and place availability are not for them.

    Never mind. More must be done. Let’s get Dim and Dimmer back on to add their dimness to the gathering gloom. Oh! They have gone, so let us instead raise the dark spectre of Russians interfering with us.

    Back to Philip Roth. Well, he was almost Russian as well as Jewish. But he is American, too. And Jewish. And American. No Dickens, this one! Philip Roth is American. And Jewish. And dead. Pass the black tie and suits and blouses and skirts. Oh woe!

    Beeboids on TOADY have obviously bought shares in Roth’s publishers and Amazon and other booksellers, because they are pushing Roth like there is no tomorrow and for whom, sadly, there is now no tomorrow.

    Pass the ashes, please, and close the curtains a little more. The Dimness is not enough.

    The Russians are coming to bring darkness to us all. Did you know Philip Roth has died at the age of 85?

    A light has gone out.

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  36. G says:

    I love it when you can see a new tax being bred. All those lovely dairy maidens (No dear reader, I do not refer to allah’s ‘maidens’ in paradise – yet) in No.11 Downing Street rush to pull their three-legged stools up to the teats of the nation: The Government will formulate a policy to propose water limits on households aka, I’ll wager a tax or penalty over a certain number of litres on a daily basis.
    It seems that demographic predictions suggest that water shortages is a stark reality in the future. Really? Why’s that then?
    Message to Government: ‘If you blatant liars would act to grossly reduce or halt the importation of the World perhaps we would have enough water’.

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    • Up2snuff says:

      Or, G, if Civil Servants got off the airwaves and their backsides and went out and checked what infrastructure and provision was required for our present and future population levels and then went back their office & arranged for it get done.

      Simples.

      As they say.

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      • Payne by name says:

        I’ve never understood why we can’t just build a couple of de-salination plant and be done with it. Surely we can deal with the hokum of rising sea levels by drinking the water!

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        • JimS says:

          What and piss it in the rivers to raise the sea levels?

          Wouldn’t it be easier not to import 200,000 Romanian, bucket-sloshing car washers each year?

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  37. G says:

    Naughty Oxford Uni! David Lammy shows us the way to be more inclusive. He’s carried out a FoI request and now he can dig his racial knife in to the system even deeper (perhaps he could be charged with carrying an offensive weapon? – it sure needs something) A Dr. Khan is interviewed by Robinson on Toady. She’s the head of undergraduate selection and intake apparently. The two dance around on the head of a pin in trying to avoid saying that blacks don’t have the academic ‘prowess’ to qualify. But Oxford are doing all they can with ‘outreaches’ and ‘Summer Camps’ to bring the underprivileged up-to-scratch. That’s real Socialism for you: The majority have to work at the pace of the slowest. Sad, sad, sad. The march to destroy the Capitalist ethos which enhances innovation continues apace.

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    • JamesArthur says:

      It was a curious interview..I though Ms Khan did an okay job considering the snide and aggressive approach Robinson took. . On the other hand however Mr Lammy is an idiot if he thinks that colour is the reason for lack of attendance at Oxord.

      If I were an intelligent black person I would be offended that everyone seems to think I need a leg up to be successful ..

      The racists are the BBC and people like Lammy who constantly see racist attitudes everywhere without considering other factors..the same is true of feminists…

      Jordan Peterson hit the nail on the head when he said doing analysis of a complex issue based on one factor is ridiculous (my paraphrasing)…The BBC and people like Lammy rely on it..

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  38. taffman says:

    Inflation falls lower than March 2017.
    Have you any comment to make about ‘Brexit’ Mr Carney? Al Beeb ? Maxi?

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  39. MarkyMark says:

    UK PMQS – where all the politicians (650) gather to avoid talking about the country they are supposed to run.

    22 Murders in Manchester.
    1 PM saying ‘Enough is enough’
    0 Arrests.

    Plus 1 UK solider murdered on the UK streets .. ignored!

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  40. MarkyMark says:

    0 child policy … see BBC for details.

    I love my children dearly, but are they the biggest moral mistake I ever made?

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    • Ian Rushlow says:

      Note the second sentence from ‘Simon’: “I’m a 32-year old white male”. Why does he feel the need to mention his ethnicity and why does it seem apologetic? It reminds me of the Alcoholics Anonymous declaration: “I’m Simon, I’m 32 and I’m an alcoholic”. Come on BBC, say what you really think, which is that white people should stop having children.

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    • Broadcasting-on-Behalf-of-the-Caliphate says:

      Hi Markymark, Oxford? In that case there are likely several gangs not too far away from a certain “community” that would be happy to take his two white children off his hands, and traffick them out of the country to use or sell them as sex slaves. The BBC would then award him morality points for doing his bit for diversity and multi-culturalism.

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  41. MarkyMark says:

    The BBC … backing anyone but Trump to the end … at any cost ..

    “Kim Jong-un is very close to achieving his goal.”

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    . . . BBC do not mention that North Korean leadership is a cult . . . Or that 25 million people believe the leaders do not use the toilet – how can Gods poo? . . .

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  42. MarkyMark says:

    Diane Abbott produces laughs for the Many, Not the Few.

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    26 miles … half marathon?

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  43. MarkyMark says:

    Don’t be a racist …
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    • Fedup2 says:

      Being the son of a labour peer and admitting that his life in the bubble disconnected him from real life I might have expected him to at least have a 50 50 split on his Sunday guests instead of 100 per cent remainers . Luckily it’s ITV so no one outside the bubble watches it .

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  44. ChrisMorrison says:

    Day three of the BBC radio series “Climate change and me too” and the science has all but disappeared. Geographer Mary Edwards was concerned about changes in the Arctic ice and spent her time making one-off “something must be done” personal observations. Describing a heat wave in Alaska she was of the opinion that it “didn’t feel quite right”. According to the evidence of her own eyes it was all a “wake up call” since the big thaw has started in the Arctic.

    At one point she threatened to get interesting by suggesting that she had taken core lake mud samples to provide clues to past environmental change. Needless to say there was no mention of any results. She could have noted that ancient human bodies have been dug up in the permafrost of Greenland, but she didn’t since this would suggest that ice has not always been a permanent feature in large parts of the northern hemisphere (note to geographers: the clue is in the name).

    Her talk can best be summed up by the following dispatch: “It will without doubt have come to your Lordship’s knowledge that a considerable change of climate, inexplicable at present to us, must have taken place in the Circumpolar Regions, by which the severity of the cold that has for centuries past enclosed the seas in the high northern latitudes in an impenetrable barrier of ice has been during the last two years, greatly abated”.

    No not Ms Edwards, rather the report of the President of the Royal Society in London to the Admiralty, dated November 20, 1817.

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  45. Up2snuff says:

    The BBC and Daily Mail tell me that old people are not in favour of the House of Lords.

    Young people are – surprisingly – in favour of the House of Lords.

    Is that because the Russians have told young people, via Facebook and Twitter, to be in favour of the House of Lords?

    Perhaps the BBC would care to comment? I think we should be told. :-J

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  46. Up2snuff says:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-44208504

    Yet more thoroughly bad and wrong headed pseudo-science from the BBC. Total drivel but because it is from the BBC, more and more people will probably believe it.

    We are heading in dangerous directions.

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    • JamesArthur says:

      Up2
      That article doesn’t even qualify as News or Science..it was written by an 11 year old as homework.. Jesus £4bn and that’s what they call health news..
      We are doomed

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  47. MarkyMark says:

    How many lone wolfs does it take to get worried? 20K on watch list? 2K on extreme watch list?

    An alleged Isil supporter encouraged would-be lone wolf attackers to target Prince George at school, a court has heard.

    Husnain Rashid provided an “e-toolkit for terrorism” in a “prolific” online channel he ran named the Lone Mujahid, Woolwich Crown Court was told on Wednesday.

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