Start the Week Open Thread 21 May 2018

As many Britons bath in the post  nuptuals of a recent diverse wedding we return to the sad prospect of biased al Beeb. Monday the 21st – start of the Grenfell inquiry, Tuesday 22nd – anniversary of the Muslim terrorist attack in Manchester and at the end of the week the Irish Referendum on abortion . And the ongoing attacks on President Trump, Brexit and anyone or anything of which Albeeb groupthink disapproves

so a busy week…

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743 Responses to Start the Week Open Thread 21 May 2018

  1. vlad says:

    Professional race-baiter and shit-stirrer David Lammy moaning that Oxford University is ‘failing’ on diversity, eagerly reported by the Black Baiting Corporation.

    Perhaps the headline should have read instead ‘Diversity Failing to make it to Oxford’?


  2. MarkyMark says:

    We are saved …. will they implement the UK Law or the EU Law or the David Lammy BAME Law or the Muslim Council Ramadan Islamic Law or the LBGT Law? Who knows! More Rainbow Hate Crime Cars … more carnivals.

    Sajid Javid pledges more funding for overstretched police { 23may2018}




    • BRISSLES says:

      It didn’t take many seconds into his speech before he mentioned his brother was in the police force – so that’s alright then. Same as Khan mentions his Dad was a bus driver, which is a necessity to become Mayor of London apparently. My Dad’s varying professions from pro footballer/coalminer/engineer really helped me in my estate agency career ! (if anyone’s interested – nah, thought not).


  3. ChrisMorrison says:

    Isn’t life grand when elderly luvvies finally spill the beans. Having played the ghastly Hollywood game for so many years, they no longer give a flying whatsit.

    Step forward Oscar winner Anthony Hopkins. Now aged 80, Mr Hopkins hates what he sees as the toxic and two-faced culture of the Los Angeles film industry. “Look at Hollywood, how insidious it is. Look how people feel entitled to this, that and the other, and they can only be surrounded by ‘yes people’”, he recently told the Radio Times. “There’s so much hypocrisy … and they know nothing”, he added.

    This is believed to be the same identity-ridden dissolute culture that is so in vogue with most mainstream media including the BBC. With their “me too” campaigns and endless ignorant grandstanding, their destructive views are sought at every turn. These dancing puppets are to be found on every pulpit from the UN to their countless self-award ceremonies.

    But at least these events show them in their true colours. They despise you and sneer at your small towns and concern for local community and family values. They are people of the world – they say they love everybody, but in reality they love just themselves – and sometimes the love doesn’t even stretch that far.

    Rev. Curry, they certainly ain’t.


  4. JimS says:

    Jeremy Vine has climate activist Roger Harrabin on to tell us that we are getting short of water.
    How to solve the problem, take fewer baths, grow different plants?

    No mention of the ‘i’ word, and I don’t mean irrigation.

    Vine has just wondered whether icebergs are made of sea water. Mr. Lammy MP watch out, Vine is after your crown!


  5. Beeb Brother says:

    RE: Oxbridge diversity.

    Certain ‘disadvantaged groups’ have a fantastic attitude towards education and are a joy to teach. Others not only have contempt for education but make your life hell, often spoiling others’ education in the process; they often even bully others for ‘acting white’ by studying hard. To then play the victim takes some chutzpah.

    Why does the BBC not go into some hellish comprehensive in London to learn first hand what the problems are?

    How often do you hear a footballer say they would have joined a gang had they not made it as an athlete? They never say they worked really hard at school so they would have an academic career had the football not worked out.

    If that is your attitude, Oxford would be hell on Earth for you: one on one tutorials; reading multiple books every week; being surrounded by ultra studious people – those ‘coconuts’ you mocked at school.

    Do they honestly think we should believe there is some evil cabal of racist dons at Oxford, who on receiving an application from a black kid with 10 A*s say: “He looks like a genius, but we don’t want any darkies here’? You clearly have a colossal advantage in the application process if you are from a minority but there is only so much the university can do.

    Grime artist Stormzy – a Beeb favourite – called his album ‘Gang Signs and Prayer’, not ‘Cosine and Voltaire.’


    • JimS says:

      I recall an African student at university who virtually held court as he appeared to be exceedingly well-funded and as a consequence attracted lots of hangers-on.

      Rumour had it that he did precious little work as he knew that he only had to get a pass degree to take up his reserved post as Head of English at the university ‘back home’. Maybe that is the kind of placement that the Lammy lambs are looking for?


  6. Roland Deschain says:

    Okay, can someone explain this one to me?

    The BBC has been unable to shut up about the fact that Megan is black. She isn’t, any more than was his holiness Obama, but that doesn’t matter here. The point is the BBC can go on about it ad nauseam and it isn’t racist. Yet somehow a German sweet firm putting one of their chocolates in a bride’s dress on a Facebook post is horribly racist.

    Is there a rule book for this sort of thing and where can I get a copy? Would it have been racist to have left the chocolate off and dressed the white marshmallow in groom’s clothing? Or perhaps a Milky Bar egg? Maybe you’re allowed to charicature white people but not black – except that would be racist. Surely.


    • JimS says:

      If these are ‘super man’ black dicks they should keep quiet about it.



    • Al Shubtill says:

      For someone who “isn’t black” she certainly ensured there was plenty of black representation at her wedding.


  7. Roland Deschain says:

    I despair.

    How have we got to the stage where labelling a whining politician “bitter” requires an apology? How have such thin-skinned people graduated to the top of the political tree? No wonder the country is vanishing into the sewers when that is the calibre in charge.


    • Kaiser says:

      is it just blacks who cant get in?

      do they also “ban” asians (of assorted variations)

      or perhaps

      Director of undergraduate admissions Dr Samina Khan is a racist


      • Synchronised says:

        I think it was the comedian Mick Miller who said, ” my Grandad was at Cambridge University, he was a caretaker”. Still makes me chuckle.


        • JimS says:

          Wan’t there a comedian who claimed to have worked at The Windmill Theatre (noted for its scantily clad lady performers), “It was five shillings an hour, it was all I could afford!”


    • Oldspeaker says:

      As I’m way to dim to qualify for Oxford I’d like a professional grievance monger to take up my cause and insist that they admit me, it’s my human right obviously. Why should they be allowed to discriminate against the academically differently abled? B*stards.


    • Beeb Brother says:

      There is a black Conservative politician we never hear from on the BBC – I forget his name. He went to Oxford and comes from an African country where they value education, rather than the ‘gold chains no brains’ attitude favoured by certain communities; which Chris Rock nailed so brilliantly in his famous set about civil war within the black community.


  8. StewGreen says:

    Any SJW stuff on telly tonight Stew ?
    BBC4 It’s Caribbean night
    10pm Black and British: A Forgotten History with David Olusoga 2016
    11pm Fighting for King and Empire: Britain’s Caribbean Heroes 2015
    I have no problem with recognising Caribbean war heroes but does the Narrator have to be David Olusoga again ?
    at 8pm Caribbean with Simon Reeve (guess there will be his typical Virtue-Signalling)

    10pm C4 Carry on Brussels: Inside the EU


  9. MarkyMark says:

    “But we have learnt somethings in the last 10 years. We have learnt that most of the press in free western countries are cowards. We’ve learnt that most of our artistic establishment are cowards. Most of our politicians are cowards. We’ve learnt that industries that spend much of their year in award ceremonies patting themselves on the back for their bravery, stop when bravery is required.” – Douglas Murray @5:00

    Douglas Murray speaks at “The Danish Muhammad cartoon crisis in retrospect” conference


  10. Lucy Pevensey says:

    Royal news. Actual news, nothing to do with black Meghan.

    “An alleged Isil supporter encouraged would-be lone wolf attackers to target Prince George at school, a court has heard.”


    • MarkyMark says:

      Maybe it would be a good time to arrest the 3K on the terror watch list .. or talk about mental health .. choices!


    • Idiotboy says:

      I notice that this is buried in the “Lancashire” section on the BBC news website. I would have thought it was of national interest.


  11. MarkyMark says:

    Remember how everyone backed the pen, seems that we finally put the pen down …



    “One of Charlie Hebdo’s most outspoken journalists has said she is leaving the French satirical magazine because it has gone soft on Islamic extremism.”

    Who really won?


  12. vlad says:

    Dear Lord, may Trump come, may he extend his visit as reported by the Anti Trump Broadcasting Corp, but above all may large numbers of hysterical virtue-signalling slebs leave our shores in protest never to darken our door again.


    “Trump may extend UK visit to play golf in Scotland.”


    • Lucy Pevensey says:

      Excellent! Trump IN BBC OUT. Make the BBC British again. And make it pay for itself.


    • Right Angle says:

      You beat me to it! I was going to say:

      The Donald may extend his stay, yay!:

      The final sentence of Dominic Waghorn’s report reads:

      “This [the July visit] will be more low key than a full state visit and less likely to be overshadowed by protests against the president, who remains deeply unpopular in the UK.”

      That was Sky News. I assume the BBC’s version wasn’t much better.

      Anyway, I understand some posters will be preparing their welcome flags, etc. Do share your pixes with us! After all, you won’t be getting any coverage from the Bogus Broadcasting Corporation!


      • scribblingscribe says:

        oddly the UK public doesnt agree with the left, liberal establishment.

        45% are for it and 39% against. When you consider the relentless, negative assaults on Trump from the BBC, that positive figure is astonishing.


        • taffman says:

          “oddly the UK public doesnt agree with the left, liberal establishment.”

          In the last general election the LibDems stood on a policy of stopping Brexit .
          Remind me, how many seats in Parliament did they ?
          Trump can drain our swamp at Al Beeb.


          • scribblingscribe says:

            Indeed taffman.


            Oddly, economics doesn’t agree with the BBC. The ERM and the Euro confounded the BBC by being a disaster.

            Oddly, Science doesnt agree with the BBC. The world failed to warm between 1996 and 2006 and the BBC had to change the term from global warming to climate change.

            Oddly, the public don’t agree with the BBC. The elections in 2010, 2015 and 2017 along with the US election and Brexit vote confounded the BBC’s predictions.

            I wonder if the BBC is always wrong.


            • taffman says:

              “Oddly, the public don’t agree with the BBC. The elections in 2010, 2015 and 2017 along with the US election and Brexit vote confounded the BBC’s predictions.”

              ‘a stopped clock is right twice a day’
              Al Beeb appears to be wrong all of the day?


  13. StewGreen says:

    BBC Ageism : In a Times letter a BBC film director tells us he has complained multiple times about BBC tickbox form which classifies ages in 5-10 year bands, but then ends with a box “60+”
    thus promoting BBC ageism, which the diversity programme is supposed to counter.


  14. taffman says:

    \\Brexit: Technology-based customs system ‘could cost £20bn’//
    “The chief executive of HM Revenue and Customs told MPs firms would have to pay £32.50 for each customs declaration under the so-called “max fac” solution.”
    “He said there were about 200 million exports to the EU each year that could require customs declarations – and a similar number of imports.”
    Anti Brexit Civil Servant ? Operative word “Could”.

    I thought that we imported far more than we exported to the EU by an easy margin ?
    So its a win win for the UK.


    • taffman says:

      “The chief executive of HM Revenue and Customs told MPs firms would have to pay £32.50 for each customs declaration under the so-called “max fac” solution.”
      Readers, they have just opened a HYS please add to the comments and enlighten them.
      I understand that the Gov has just now rejected the civil servant’s claim?


      • Rob in Cheshire says:

        £32.50 because he says so? How about if there is no charge? Why should there be?


    • Rich says:

      Aw shit Marky. I’ve pretty much weaned the family off the bBbc, I cancelled the equally biased Sky last year, I’ve started to watch films on Netflix, going through Porridge on it at the minute, and you tell me that Sauron is their major shareholder.

      Well, ffs.


      • MarkyMark says:

        I suppose they will be canned when no one watches … hopefully. Check Susan Rice’s wiki page … joined NetFlix March 2018!


  15. fakenewswatcher says:

    I’m not mad about Trump as a person. But I’m OK with most of his policies in the main, and his attitude towards key political issues, in particular. At a very critical period in history.
    He is the DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED Head of State and of Government in the US (whatever Hillary or Barry may say). Forget about the Russians. The real enemy is, as ever, already WITHIN.
    So we should welcome him. WITHOUT RESERVATIONS, that’s what Protocol and Common Sense say. As a Head of State. Peaceful protests, fine. Anything else should be dealt with by the police. Regrettably, I have to add: whatever, it takes.
    Otherwise you can shove democracy down the toilet and flush afterwards. Then forget about it. You won’t be seeing any of its benefits again, anytime soon. Think about that. BBC included. BBC especially. The Gulag beckons. And I doubt it will be a Russian Gulag, this time.


  16. MarkyMark says:

    “European Facebook should be directly under the control of the EU. That way we can decide what people see. Too much fake news is produced by far right populists like Orban in Hungary.”- PARODY



    • gb123 says:

      The last 4 letters of his surname describe exactly what Guy really is.


  17. RobRoy says:

    Can’t recall our multi-billion pound news service tell us why Trump pulled out of the Iran deal apart from it being a bad deal. So much for being informative! If Trump can pull off a regime change in Iran through sanctions then surely that makes him the most effective world leader in decades. It also shows up the rest of the sorry western leaders for the cowards they are.


    • fakenewswatcher says:

      Western ‘leaders’. A sorry bunch, indeed.
      The three Ms (Merkel, May, Macron). Geopolitical vision? No. Nein. Non. Principles? Zilch. (Other than staying in power).
      Merkel is good at backroom deals, keeping a low profile, assassinating any potential challengers in a quiet sort of way – as becomes the nice but ruthless person that she is, and importing potential voters.
      She was in the right place at the right time. A classical opportunist.
      Want to know how it’s done? Begin with a study of her role in a tiny (and I mean TINY) opposition party towards the end of the GDR, say around 1989.
      What about Macron? Well, nobody can accuse him of being ‘low key’. Haven’t really studied his history in any detail, so everything else is guesswork. Certainly, in the right place at the right time, and able to conjure up a new vision. Has no need to import potential voters, alas. Did the vision last long? Anyone here studied French politics, who could help out?
      Ms May. Seems a nice enough person. Also in the right place at the right time. Apparently doesn’t believe in the key project of the hour, but wants to ‘do her duty’. When the hour desperately calls for a conviction politician. But not one that will flush us down the loo…Has no need to import potential voters either.
      So Europe? I don’t know much about Hungarian politics either, but what I see of the top people, I like.
      So, let’s see, who else is there?


  18. Roland Deschain says:


    The BBC:


    • RJ says:

      The BBC story doesn’t make sense. Poroshenko is the CIA’s man. They organised the coup that brought him to power, because they wanted to break Russia’s influence in the Ukraine. The CIA can arrange any meetings that need to take place in Washington, so no one else needs to be paid.

      Unless it was a black op to entrap Cohen.

      Either way it’s BBC fake news again.


  19. BRISSLES says:

    Couple of snippets from today’s paper……

    Taking aim at the royal wedding, Left-wing commentator Yasmin Alibhair Brown, 68 tweets: “Proof again that GB is an infantilised, escapist nation”. Born in Uganda, she moved to the UK in the 1970s, where she enjoyed an Oxbridge education. Feisty Tory MP Nadine Dorries fires back on twitter: “Yasmin, why don’t you just try to be nice? Maybe appreciate just a little the country and the people you have chosen to live, work and benefit from all of your life “.

    SNIPPET No.2
    Highlighting the presence of all races to cheer on Meghan & Harry. BBC producer Linden Kemkaran (?) says she was annoyed when asked to find black and brown people in Windsor to comment. She tells The Spectator ; “I rolled my eyes and cracked on with it to the best of my ability”.


  20. MarkyMark says:

    Is Diversity LGBT+ or is it BAME … why not promote Heterosexuals as well? Is being heterosexual wrong?

    Just Like Us trains LGBT+ university students and sends them to talk in schools about growing up LGBT+, to champion LGBT+ equality and tackle homophobia

    Just Like Us

    Thirty years after Section 28 banned the “promotion” of homosexuality at school, Prime Minister @theresa_may helped launch LGBT+ School Diversity Week 2018 today with a powerful message of support to the 450,000 pupils and teachers taking part.



  21. vlad says:

    Beeb webshite delighted to throw more shit Trump-wise, hoping some of it will stick. Hasn’t worked yet, but they keep hoping, bless.

    “Trump lawyer ‘paid by Ukraine’ to arrange White House talks”


  22. vlad says:

    According to airhead Ariana and the beeb, “only love can overcome the hate, bla bla” of Manchester style attacks.

    I beg to differ. Speaking personally I would put my trust in a well-armed, well-trained Special Firearms Officer with a smidgen of hate in his heart for the murdering bastards.

    (So would slebs and the beeb of course, if push came to shove.)


    • Beeb Brother says:

      We shall love them on the shores!
      We shall love them in the skies . . .


      • G.W.F. says:

        Beeb Brother
        To continue
        And if the enemy do invade us, we will give them our children for sexual gratification


  23. G.W.F. says:

    Apologies for posting what is not connected to BBC bias, although it is directly connected to the BBC, Government, Police support for Islam and hostility to patriotic British.
    The video shows the arrest with intimidation of a British woman.
    The background is provided in the beginning of the video, where it indicates she was the woman who in another video was shown to be having a peaceful and reasoned argument with the cops at Speakers’s corner where she drew attention to the cops’ unwillingness to enforce by-laws prohibiting prayers at Speaker’s corner,

    She is now locked up.

    I do hope that our Moslem Home Secretary and highly acclaimed BBC reporters will investigate the matter.


    • G.W.F. says:

      Here is the previous video


      • G.W.F. says:

        Reply to above

        The woman, who is disabled, has been charged with an exaggerated homophobic hate crime. She told a cop who was poking her in the face to ‘have a gay day’.
        Thank you police and thank you the Moslem Home Secretary who is out to get revenge on those who complain about the law not being applied to his kind.


        • kingkp says:

          The Royal Parks (TRP) does not permit collective acts of worship or other religious observances in the TRP estate, either in their own right or as part of a demonstration, event or other activity.
          This includes spoken or sung communal prayers or other events
          that are primarily religious in focus

          Exceptions are made for annual acts of remembrance at the regimental memorials in the Parks, which have taken place since the First World War.As a public body it is not the place of The Royal Parks to make value judgments between one religious observance and another. We must either permit all collective religious observances or refuse them all. Our approach is to continue to refuse all such observances on the grounds that they are not
          traditional park

          related activities and the disadvantages to the public at large of
          allowing them would almost certainly outweigh the benefits to adherents of a particular religion or belief. The policy extends to the construction of structures within the estate with a religious significance.
          Cultural events that do not include collective religious activity
          are permitted subject to the standard approval process.


        • Yasser Dasmibehbi says:

          No need to apologise GWF This is very relevant to the BBC debate. Let’s see how well they cover it. It is a very chilling video and, unless there is something about it that we don’t know, then it is a shocking example of the rapid progress towards a British police state.
          Thank you for posting it and as we are coming to the end of a thread could you please post it again at the beginning of the next one as everybody on this site should see it imho.


        • Moodswing6 says:

          GWF, I think you may have the context slightly out. The homophobic hate crime seems to have been trumped up over an incident in a car park months after this happened. I’ve just watched the latest you tube clip on her less than friendly arrest while she was at home. I didn’t immediately click that this is the very same woman brave enough to confront police officers in Hyde Park because Muslims and any other religion are prohibited from using the Royal Parks for worship.
          I had a huge rant on here about how I’m feeling which I posted in the early hours of this morning. Now watching what’s happened to this woman, I’m left in an even deeper state of despair. I hope this goes world wide as people everywhere have to know how evil this countries government, police force and main stream media have become.


      • kingkp says:

        Just following orders…ffs where have I heard that before. The Islamic State is now a certainty


      • G says:

        Compare and contrast. Put your answer in one word. Your one word answer must start with the letter ‘B’ and end with the letter ‘s’. Extra marks may be given for using the same letter twice in the single word.


    • oldcrone says:

      That video is frightening! This is why people don’t trust the police anymore. If it had been me I would have let them break the door down. Perhaps she would have got more publicity that way. This needs sharing far and wide.


      • G says:

        We need massive internment camps in Wales (that’ll, “help the local economy”) in which to incarcerate all these subversives!
        No, silly, I mean lock up all the police!


    • Broadcasting-on-Behalf-of-the-Caliphate says:

      Hi GWF – would you have the time and patience to consider becoming a part-time volunteer administrator to this website with the sole goal of posting occasional articles? You can contact the website admin through “Contact Us”.

      I think these types of stories that you have unearthed are perhaps deserving of a separate dedicated thread. As ever you can make it relevant to “biased bbc” by saying this is a story not yet obviously covered by the BBC.

      Remember what the BBC DO NOT report tells us as much about the BBC as what they DO report.


  24. chrisH says:

    Woke up, fed the dog and was just about to go out at 8am when I noted their “headlines”.
    1. American writer whose name 1`ve heard-but only that-is dead, in his late 80s.
    2. Oxbridge not got enough Rhodes Must Fall scholars from Duggan Academy
    3. Marks and Spencers not doing as well as the BBC would like.
    4. State wants to stop us drooling away our water.

    I therefore threw the dogs water bowl away and made him lick dew.
    But then I wondered-if I drank water at Marks and Spencer, would that count on my personal consumption-or on theirs? Is it OK if I pay, but not so if I need some to take a tablet?
    Marks And Spencers are Jewish, I`m sure the BBC won`t let that affect their clueless bilious musings. Oh if only the BBC Business Editors would form a troika and run the nations companies for us.
    These four stories were , of course, the talk of the Perkin Warbeck Pub all day in the summer heat today. the BBC have that unerring ability to just KNOW what we`re thinking and caring about.
    Does Martha Kearney get Sarah Montagues sherry allocation at Lammas and Michaelmas , I prithee?


  25. JamesG says:

    It’s amazing how the BBC manages to spin the fact that a higher proportion of ethnic minorities than in the general population as a whole are at Oxford University is somehow “racist”.


  26. chrisH says:

    Turns out that Italy has now got a government after its elections .
    Italy is the EUs fourth biggest economy, and has the third largest public debt in the world(132% of its GDP).
    It has also got zombie banks that have failed completely, but the EU blows pus into its lungs with a septic straw from Frankfurt.

    Unsurprisingly it has voted for online clowns from the far right and far left who will be meidated by a liberal professor who`s unknown but is neither a commie comedian , an anti semitic troll or Berlusconis bitchpuppet.
    So-if you want comedy, surrealism and madness-you could look at the EUs coming denouement, using only Italy.
    Which-I`m guessing is why the BBC etc are “sayin nuffink”.
    The EU are going -if Tommy Robinson and George Galloway combined to drop EU debt, get out of the Eurozone and told the EU to stuff their migration dribblings-then that would be what Italy now is looking like.
    Oh dear-do the BBC not like that?

    But back to Meghans shoehorn….


    • Fedup2 says:

      C4 news
      Apart from me – I don’t watch soaps or the one show – who watches it? Snow is heading for a stroke and the various lady reporters can’t wait to get the big job

      On the abortion vote – they can’t wait for the liberal ascendency as opposed to to Wimmin keeping their legs shut and getting banged up like peasants who don’t know about contraception.


      • JamesG says:

        I watch Channel 4 News quite often, and have done since about 1990, because I know in advance that’s in going to be left-wing and if you know that beforehand it’s actually not a bad news programme in a funny sort of way. But I expect the BBC to be neutral because when I started watching BBC News it usually was pretty neutral.


    • Dover Sentry says:

      Good post, chrisH.

      It’s assumed that the EU will not rot from within. But it will.

      The BBC of course will not support rot.


  27. StewGreen says:

    8pm Watchdog features a Labour polly
    Didn’t they have one on the other week ?
    “Ed Balls asks if the time has come for football grounds to introduce safe standing.”


  28. pugnazious says:

    Andrew Sullivan, very definitely not a Trump supporter and more inclined to the left has admitted the truth about what drives so many on the ‘left’, and that includes the supposedly ‘progressive’ liberals so many of whom sit in BBC studios…it’s a war against white men and everything they stand for including their history and culture…

    ‘… the animating goal of progressive politics is unvarnished race and gender warfare. What matters before anything else is what race and gender you are, and therefore what side you are on.

    There is no arc of history here, just an eternal grinding of the racist and sexist wheel. What matters is that nonwhites fight and defeat white supremacy, that women unite and defeat oppressive masculinity, and that the trans supplant and redefine the cis. ‘

    You can see the perfect example of this today as the BBC spreads the message that Black students are once again the victims of an oppressive, white society…naturally a narrative driven by the racist MP David Lammy….it is of course a self-perpetuating outcome…the race campaigners tell Blacks they have no chance in a society weighted against them and so they lower their ambitions and fulfill the prophecy…

    ‘ Oxford University data revealed eight of its 29 colleges included in the report accepted fewer than three black applicants in the past three years.
    The university has a total of 38 colleges and permanent private halls.
    The university said it was “not getting the right number of black people with the talent to apply”.
    Director of undergraduate admissions Dr Samina Khan told the BBC she was “pushing hard” on outreach activity to make sure those students felt welcome.
    Mr Lammy told the BBC that Oxford was “failing badly”. ‘

    The BBC news bulletins have been pumping out the message all day that only 3 black students were accepted by some Oxford colleges…..thus, Oxford is clearly racist in its acceptance policy…isn’t it?

    Well, no, actually. First note that Lammy and the BBC only refer to black students resident in the UK…neglecting to mention all the foreign Black and other BME students at Oxford. Is it thus racism against Britons and not ‘Blacks’ that is the problem?

    Then note that the percentage of BME people in the population is 14% and the percentage getting into Oxford is 18%. Anti-white?

    And here’s the nub of the matter….one of the big lies perpetuated by the BBC…that Oxford is dominated by Eton posh-boys….

    ‘”It’s very elitist, very, very white,” student Taiwo Oyebola said. “For me, applying for Classics, I was very aware I’d be the only black person or one of a few people of colour.”

    “We have this joke in lectures, I go in and there’s this group we call them the Eton row, because all the Eton boys sit there.” ‘

    Just plain wrong….58.2% of students come from state schools. But is there racism…that white, elitist club the BBC is keen to tell you exists?….well as we know the percentage of BME students at Oxford exceeds the percentage in the population but also Oxford tells us, if the BBC cared to read [or report], that Black students predominantly apply for medical and law courses which are extremely popular and in demand…

    ‘40.6% of applications from UK-domiciled Black students from 2015 to 2017 were for two highly competitive courses: Medicine and Law*. By comparison, these courses attracted around 12% of applications from UK-domiciled White students.
    Seven of Oxford’s 25 largest courses received fewer than ten applications each from Black students from 2015 to 2017, and as a result admitted only very small numbers. ‘

    Thus Black students are concentrated in certain areas whilst others have few…and the BBC misleds us by telling us that because some colleges or courses have few black students it is due to racism…..when in fact it is down to the choices made by black students.

    Then we get to the real problem…only 630 black students in the UK attained the necessary qualifications to apply to Oxford….that’s a grand total of 1.8% of all students achieving AAA or better at A-Level. Whites…80.3%, Asians 12.3%. Any wonder there are few black students at Oxford from the UK?

    The problem is not Oxford it is within the black community, homes and schools where the culture is to tell young Blacks they have no hope of success, especially in a white ruled world which is determined to keep them down and crushed….a message the BBC constantly pushes down black throats.

    That’s the big lie that the BBC and race baiters like Lammy want to propagate, one that is hugely damaging to the prospects of Black youths as they are deterred from their ambitions by tales of racism and discrimination. It’s a war against whites and the Black youth are the expendable ‘useful [but in fact clever] idiots’ exploited by Lammy and Co in that war…does the BBC really care about Black students or is it more concerned with the ‘arc of history’, destroying white culture and society to end the supposed ‘dominance’ regardless of the fact that to do so would actually destroy the life chances of Black youth? The BBC is just ‘ grinding the racist and sexist wheel.’

    Then to wrap up we have the BBC telling us Oxford discriminates against the North…again, no. It’s a similar tale with less academic achievement in the North and thus fewer students with the necessary qualifications to apply….but the BBC isn’t really interested in facts, it prefers to ferment race wars.

    Also heard a black, muslim immigrant who went to Oxbridge and became a barrister, that there was no social mobility in Britain….especially for BME people….yeah…all those Asian doctors, dentists and lawyers are definitely being oppressed. The BBC presenter, of course, nodded along in agreement.


    • JamesArthur says:

      Excellent post.
      It would seem a complaint about misleading facts is in order…


    • Navets says:

      A somewhat surprising source backing up a lot of what you say is in the following link:


      • Ian Rushlow says:

        Ah, the road to Damascus is a long one… Yet despite writing that article in 2000, he became head of Britain’s Race Gestapo (Commission for Racial Equality) in 2003 and then head of the hated Equality and Human Rights Commission in 2006. Still, for a black man to be accused by Ken Livingstone of “pandering to the right” so much that he “would soon join the BNP” is pretty impressive.


  29. pugnazious says:

    Tommy Robinson was on the radio today telling us how he got into ‘politics’ and got himself voted in as Mayor of Sheffield. He told us that he was never really interested in politics and knew little about it until Muslim jihadists started terrorising Britain, spreading hate and fear. He thought he then had to get into politics to counter them and their messages of hate. The presenter was extremely welcoming and pleasant and thought Tommy was a good lad who could bring a fresh perspective to the political world.

    Or was it Muslim refugee Majid Majid, who became Mayor of Sheffield and told us that he became interested in politics only after UKIP reared its ugly head and began spreading hate? Funny how the BBC just accepts someone claiming UKIP spreads hate without a murmur. Then again that’s the very message the BBC like so propagate….and whilst Majid is celebrated and feted by the BBC Tommy Robinson is demonised and maligned….Majid follows an ideology that says kill just about everyone and Robinson campaigns against that…and he is the evil one?


    • StewGreen says:

      Yes 5-Live after 10am this morning was pass the sick bag time


  30. JamesG says:

    Why doesn’t the BBC investigate how many white working-class men from former mining areas are at Oxbridge? I wouldn’t be surprised if it was an ever lower figure (when taking the total population in that category into account) than with EMs. Also, how many people from places like Hull, Stoke-on-Trent, Gateshead, Scunthorpe, etc?


  31. StewGreen says:

    Re Radio4’s so called right-wing comedian Geoff Norcott
    I think the guy is a parody actor like Al Murray’s Pub Landlord routine.
    There are so many easy jokes to be made at Labour politicians hypocrisy and stupidity etc.
    but he didn’t try to make any, rather he continually made jokes about himself.


    • Al Shubtill says:

      R4 would never give airtime to a truly “right-wing” comedian.


    • JimS says:

      Keep up!

      Definitely the BBC’s idea of an honest Conservative – self-identifying as ‘guilty’ and apologetic.


  32. Guest Who says:



  33. JamesG says:

    There’s a programme on BBC2 at the moment which is basically saying two things: that race doesn’t matter, and isn’t it wonderful that there used to be black people living in Britain in Roman times. Anyone notice the contradiction?


    • JamesArthur says:


      That’s the BBC in a nutshell….Race doesn’t matter – we want equality – except when it matters – and that’s when they decide it matters.
      The Left, Universities and the BBC are the biggest racists – and they just can’t see it…


    • Richard Pinder says:

      The BBC’s racism is far worse than that: For the BBC’s racial term “Black people” you should read the none racial term “African people”.

      I believe the term “Africa” originates from a hideously white Berber tribe called the Afri. North Africa which at the time was populated by hideously white people, such as Berbers and the descendants of Greek, Phoenician and Roman colonists in the coastal towns, the indigenous Berbers further inland and the Barbarian Berbers not under Roman rule even further inland. Any Blacks at this time were brought up the Nile into Egypt, with the large Black minorities in North Africa today brought in by the Islamic slave trade after the Arabs invaded North Africa from 640.

      The BBC continues to produce “Fake History”. But rewriting history requires destroying evidence, because we know what they looked like. North African Museums have Busts and Mosaics of the locals. Historians have the evidence from writings. Anthropologists have evidence from skulls and genetics. But as with other science subjects such as racial differences in intelligence and climate science. The “Age of Reason” and “Free Speech” are under terminal attack from a combination of left-wing liberal ideology in our Universities and inferior people from backward cultures perceiving themselves as victims of Jews, Russians, East Asians and White males, rather than victims of their own inferior intelligence.

      For instance in Yorkshire, we now have Roman York street scenes in the Museum, teaming with Black people. But York was as far away from Roman Egypt that you could possibly get, yet they depict street scenes in Roman York with far more Blacks than you would find outside of the Museum today, and there are ‘Millions’ of Blacks in Britain today.


      • Ian Rushlow says:

        As one of the greatest living brains has stated:
        “The earliest blacks in Britain were probably black Roman centurions that came over hundreds of years before Christ.”
        See! So clever and innovative were these people that they were here long before the Roman Occupation (began 43AD), which started 10 years after the death of Christ (attributed 33AD). Perhaps they were what we might call illegal or Undocumented Centurions in modern parlance, or were equipped with BBC-style Tardis machines.
        More historical fantasy and ramblings at:


        • Peter Grimes says:

          These immigrants were clearly hyper-capable. Not only were they over here, as ‘centurions’ they were a cut above the ordinary to have been promoted to officer rank.

          I know there was a Black Roman emperor a couple of centuries later but we were surely blessed much earlier.


        • JamesArthur says:

          That’s hilarious..
          I know the page it is taken from is old (2011) but did she really think “In much of middle America, it comes as a shock for them to hear that there any black people in Britain at all.”.. Really? Did she do a survey?
          This is typical of people like her and the BBC to promote opinions as facts even in the light of evidence to the contrary


        • Marion says:

          Well according to the Andrea Stuart in The Guardian, the N Atlantic slave trade must have started before we knew there was anyone on the other side of the pond to trade with.

          According to this genius: “Do we really have to remind Britain again and again that the glorious buildings, the museums with the priceless artefacts, the cathedrals, the great wealth of the City, have been built on black backs?”

          Alternatively, perhaps she’s claiming that black stonemasons, having failed to construct anything of any consequence in Africa before or since, were brought to York to construct the Minster. That must be it.


      • Up2snuff says:

        RP “For instance in Yorkshire, we now have Roman York street scenes in the Museum, teaming with Black people. But York was as far away from Roman Egypt that you could possibly get …”

        I seem to recall that historians have told me in the past that long after the Roman period, around York there was a substantial community of Scandi invaders who chose not to go home and who would have been labelled ‘hideously white’ by Greg Dyke. When I experienced the Yorvik Experience a long, long time ago (think there may have been a clue there in the name) the displays featured pale skinned humans.

        Perhaps the cleaners have not been round since my visit, Richard?


  34. scribblingscribe says:

    The excitable, and so, so cross Emily Maitliss lectures Steve Bannon and he politely, and quietly, mops up the floor with her until she is foaming at the mouth with impotent BBC rage.

    get your popcorn together, a good beer or scotch, or even a nice cup of tea. It is worth your time as the BBC gets it in the neck for being the BBC.


    • Thatcherrevolutionary says:

      Maitliss has now been ‘Newman’d’


      • Beeb Brother says:

        She has to get the Access Hollywood tape in – so snide and pathetic. Always keen to smear and avoid the substantive issues. If someone can get me a job and save me from terrorism I do not care what he says in private.

        How could they totally ignore Clinton’s emails? Disgraceful.


    • Scroblene says:

      Thanks for this Scribs!

      Well worth getting up early for!


    • Guest Who says:

      Needs a TV licence, sadly. Off to the Wild West….


    • Payne by name says:

      That was great to see, thanks for posting.

      Has Matlis been working on her contemptible glare – it’s so pathetically obvious and unprofessional. She’s like a petulant child ready to stamp her feet and have steam coming out of her ears.

      Bannon battered her in a great way. I think the most noteworthy comment was Matlis saying “In our viewers minds…”. How would you know the viewers minds Emily, what a staggering level of arrogance. The Beeb doesn’t have voluntary subscription, many comments on articles are closed so what avenues to do you have to connect with your viewers and obtain their viewpoint.

      She’s talking like they are some kind of local newspaper with an avid and loyal leadership. You’re representing a bloated, fat cat bureaucratic, virtue signalling machine that couldn’t be more out of touch with the ‘ordinary viewer’.

      It’s not your viewers mind, you aren’t representing the country. You are representing your own, grubby self serving machine. Firing out slurs and insults and contemptible sneers at every one you don’t like and who doesn’t think the same way.

      It’s ironic that at the end, Emily would be desperate to see whether Trump still likes us. She’s talked with such derision and contempt about him but at the end is grovelling for acceptance.

      It’s a real fear that as the Beeb continues to be an ambassador for the UK and as more and more people recognise the negativity of the BBC, that this rubs off on people and by association our country suffers for this.


  35. king crimson says:

    Not YET on the bbbc but definitely makes an ‘each-way’ bet more interesting.


  36. Beeb Brother says:

    Radio 4 news briefing: not as many puffins somewhere as there used to be.

    News? Who needs to know that?


    • Old Goat says:

      On Going Postal, we’re ALL puffins, and proud of it. We even have puffin badges.


  37. Cassandra says:

    The BBC Radio 4 ‘Today’ is reporting that the NHS needs to find millions of pounds more money to fund it because of it’s aging population.
    By aging population, it neglects to say men and women who have contributed for decades towards the NHS through their taxes and National Insurance payments.
    At no time in the report was the impact of unrestricted mass immigration mentioned (or health tourism).
    Telling the truth these days is indeed a revolutionary act.


  38. Roland Deschain says:

    BBC race-baiting Story of the Day.

    It’s like clockwork. Every bloody day now, or so it seems.

    Comments could…


    • MarkyMark says:

      Because they resist more?


    • Guest Who says:

      When the bbc uses ‘figures suggest’, delve further…


      • JamesArthur says:

        This is Typical BBC shite..analysis by one factor done very badly with intent to cause racist outcry

        I am a sad numbers person and downloaded the Stats
        The BBC in 2011 said the percentage of people in London who are White is 45% – not the figure this report uses. They use the word population (UK or where exactly) – They don’t analyse by Borough and the different populations, They don’t analyse type of force which ranges from none to a whole range of things ( about 25)
        They don’t look at which events were multiple people involved or those where the offender resisted or had a weapon..I could go on but it is pointless

        It is a disgrace..I am going to request details of their analysis…


    • Payne by name says:

      Maybe because they commit more violent crime or maybe they believe they if they actively resist, there is more chance them swinging a racial harassment case.


  39. Up2snuff says:

    TWatO Watch (from yesterday) – a change is as good as a rest.

    Oops #1. Crime is up because police budgets have been cut.

    So it is the police going out and burgling, mugging, robbing banks, stealing cars, committing all that extra crime, just because their budgets have been cut?


    Oops #2. Philip Roth is not so great after all.

    Apparently some ‘sistas’ have been on the ‘phone to the BBC after Roth was lionised by the BBC for the whole of the TODAY Programme and screeched down the ‘phone line at the Beeb “But he was a misogynist!”

    Quick re-write done in time for 1pm, Wednesday.


  40. Beeb Brother says:

    RE: Bannon and Maitliss.

    This is why the ‘intellectual dark web’ is destroying the MSM.

    So this morning I listened to Jordan Peterson discussing truth, heroism and God with Ben Shapiro. I love how they listen to each other respectfully and let the other speak at length. So in-depth, high brow and fascinating.

    Maitliss with Bannon: she just tries to score petty points by mentioning ‘racism’ and ‘sexism’. Zero proper analysis; annoying; reductive; boring (same few points said a million times a year); horrible disrespectful atmosphere; beautiful truth is not the goal, but instead she aims to smear, misrepresent and rudely interrupt Bannon. When he actually discusses the substantive economic issues she has this miffed look, as if the only obvious path to economic progress is mentioning the pussygate tape over and over.

    It is letting people make their own minds up versus telling them what to think – and what they want you to think is total bollocks. Kindergarten versus doctoral thesis. Black and white television instead of colour. Sneering at your audience rather than respecting them.


    • wronged says:

      This interview has opened up a very important question the BBC needs to answer.

      Do the interviewers represent the views of the the BBC?
      Clearly yes.
      This means that the BBC is political entity.
      The presenters don’t just ask questions, They make statement as is if they are axiomatic.
      The interviewee needs to start pulling thenm up on this. Always question a statment made by an interviewer, question their unprofessional bias. Beware Evan Davis, Nicky Campbell,Maitliss.

      The BBC is a political mouthpiece of the political Globalists despite their ridiculous claims as being unbiased.

      Maitliss’s attack on Orban protecting his people and country was appalling.

      Why are the Tories, who have most to lose from the anti Free speech Globalists, not speaking out?

      Why is Comcast – lefty Globalist group looking like the preferrred option to buy Sky. Why not Fox news?

      Trump is right to try and expose the Globalist of the world. I believe Theresa May is one of them. He knows it.

      Maybe there are too many Globalists in the Tory party. They need to be flushed out.

      Brexit is revealing who they are.


      • Beeb Brother says:

        May’s husband makes money from globalist policies of course she is in on the game as well.

        It is all well and good wagging your finger at ‘racism’ but it is minorities who suffer most from open borders as Bannon pointed out.


      • Guest Who says:

        Have the BBC retained Emily Jr. yet to ‘handle’ polling results? Some do seem to need his special touch before airing.


    • Up2snuff says:

      Funny thing happened yesterday with the BBC (on Radio 4) because initially they represented Bannon as attacking Trump whereas later that had changed to Bannon supporting Trump.

      Orwellian times.


      • Guest Who says:

        The enemy of my enemy’s enemy’s friend’s BFF is the bbc’s….


  41. Al Shubtill says:

    I had the misfortune of hearing Lord Panstdown interviewed by Spidery Webb on Toady earlier, listening to him pontificate about the Balkans, various states accession to the EU and related problems for Muslims there. It struck me, how he hasn’t altered at all: still just a tw@t.


  42. MarkyMark says:

    Into the BBC void I shout once again …. maybe the people in the BBC complaints department are called Winston ….

    On the 06may2018 BBC failed to report and continue to fail reporting on the ‘Day for Freedom (of speech)’ March.

    Outside your premises in London you have a statue of George Orwell who you should listen to ….

    “Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed (Day of Freedom March 06may2018): everything else is public relations.” – Orwell

    “The omission (Day of Freedom March 06may2018) is the most powerful form of lie, and it is the duty of the historian to ensure that those lies do not creep into the history books.” – George Orwell

    “If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear (Day of Freedom March 06may2018).” – George Orwell

    BRITISH – freedom to speak and discuss awkward matters is a British principle, but the BBC did not report on Day of Freedom.

    BROADCASTING – to report on important matters of freedom, but BBC did not report on Day of Freedom.

    CORPORATION – to act like a company, not a Government backed department who are paid £3.5bn under threat of prison and pay people like Chris ‘£2.3m’ Evans who did report on ‘Day of Freedom’ march.

    Compare these two search results …

    Google returns many results (lacking BBC entries):

    BBC omits results:

    BBC Nick Robinson Twitter 07nov2017 … ‘”If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear”. I’m proud those words now adorn BBC HQ’

    Dear BBC … please produce a programme that explains how I gain the FREEDOM to NOT pay the BBC TV TAX and those who do not want to report on what is happening in BRITAIN.



    • wronged says:

      Well done Marky Mark
      Any response? You’ll probably get the normal bland proforma one.

      Mind you Jacob Rees Mogg said he was unaware of the occurrence of this Day of Freedom -Nick Ferrari morning programme.
      I think you told a Porky there Mr Rees.

      Ferrari stated that the BBC wouldn’t report the event because of a certain Belgium speaker- ‘Freedom of Speech’
      My backside


      • MarkyMark says:

        I will let you know … I think I like the idea that someone called Winston in the BBC Complaints department reads these complaints and then has to jump into mental gymnastics mode to reply without answering the question.


        • Richard Pinder says:

          My list of Capita Staff at BBC Audience Services, Belfast, does not have a Winston. There is Keith Jones, Head of Communications and Complaints. Lee Rogers, Complaints Manager. Paul Moseley, Senior Complaints Adviser. Sarah Greatrex, Senior Complaints Adviser. David Larner, Complaints Adviser and Sean Moss, Complaints Adviser.

          Other Capita staff include Philip Boyce, Tony Brown, Adam Crockard, Lucia Fortucci, Gareth Franklin, Kevin Freeburn, David Glenday, Andrew Hannah, Paul Hunter, Nuala Hyde, Colin Ingram, Claire Jordan, Paul Kettle, Zahra Lamsiah, Derek Lockhart, Mark Madden, Nicola Maguire, Gemma McAleer, Ciaran McConnell, Andrew McCormick, Christine McGinlay, Stephen Mooney, Joseph O’Brien, Finola O’Kane, Donal Rainey, Mark Roberts, Karen Scott, David Spottiswoode, Stuart Webb, Michelle Wiggins, David Woods and Philip Young.

          Most are Capita employees but Keith Jones and David Spottiswoode are thought to be BBC employees and Gemma McAleer is thought to be employed by MI5 as an intelligence liason officer.

          I am afraid you only have one chance in 500 of your complaint getting as far as the BBC Editorial Complaints Unit in London. But that would only be possible if the Capita people think you are an important posh person.


  43. Up2snuff says:

    Has there been a bit of a spat between the BBC and The Guardian?

    It is missing from the newspaper front pages on the BBC web-site again today. I think it has been missing all week.


    • Lobster says:

      Perhaps the BBC ignored the begging letters!
      Either that, or the Guardian haven’t bought a TV Licence.


      • Up2snuff says:

        LOL, Lobbie.

        I did notice during the Royal wedding distraction that some of the tabloids got the top spot on the page for several days. That awful Murdoch had his rag in top spot a couple of times in recent days.

        Am sure the Gruaniad will be offended by that!


        • Beeb Brother says:

          If the BBC stop buying the Guardian its circulation will drop to zero.


          • Beltane says:

            BBC copies are gratis, but they still count in the all-important ABC circulation rating and continue the pretence that the ‘newspaper’ is viable.


  44. Up2snuff says:

    Meanwhile, back on the Chain Gang: more TOADY Watch

    The BBC have been very keen to interfere like Russians in the forthcoming Irish Referendum on abortion. They are equally quick to repeat claims that the Russians interfered in American, British and European Elections and Referendums.

    The BBC are very keen to interfere in the result of the UK’s EU Referendum and overturn Brexit. Today they rolled out Paddy Ashdown to very subtly hint that the EU is a very good thing for peace and equality and widespread migration in Europe, especially from the former Russian satellite states.

    What a shame that the EU in the 1990s could not maintain peace in the Balkans and prevent trafficking of children and drugs and low wage workers and counterfeit cigarettes and the sexually exploited and guns, eh, Paddy?

    No questions asked about that by the BBC.

    I wonder why?

    Never mind, lessons have been learned. We must leave the EU.


  45. vlad says:

    The shit-stirring race-baiting beebistan delighted to home-page the headline that Met Police ‘use force more often’ against black people.

    Followed by various stats and the inevitable moan by Flabbott.

    Of course the stats they don’t provide are the hugely disproportionate rates of black street crime, drug crime, knife and gun crime, resisting arrest etc.

    Which just might explain the disproportionate use of force.


    • Guest Who says:

      Wonder if Katty Kay will be interviewing any MC-13 disciplinary specialists for recipe tips?


    • Zelazek says:

      Good post, Vlad. These kind of headlines and misuse of statistics really annoy me. The proper baseline for judging whether the police use disproportionate force against blacks is not the percentage of blacks in the population but the percentage of black participation in crime. And, as you point out, the crucial statistic is about resisting arrest. I can think of two reasons why blacks might resist arrest more than whites. One is that blacks have a lower average IQ and are more impulsive than whites. Therefore it might not so readily occur to blacks that resisting arrest might be worse for them in the long run. Also, blacks tend to be physically stronger specimens than whites and may fancy their chances more against our coppers.


  46. Guest Who says:

    OT, but impressed by who is deemed a ‘Media Master’ these days:

    “Matt Kelly
    Editor, The New European

    Matt Kelly is Chief Content Officer at Archant, and Editor of The New European – launched as a four edition ‘pop-up’ national “newspaper for the 48%” who voted to remain in the EU. Its first edition sold 40k copies, is now on a permanent footing with a weekly distribution of £75k, and earning the prestigious ‘Chairman’s Award’ at the National Press Awards along the way – with Matt himself winning ‘Pioneer of the Year’ by the Society of Editors. In this in-depth interview, Matt talks through the lightning-speed launch – from a “crazy idea” email to his bosses at Archant to publishing the first edition just nine days after the 2016 referendum result; discusses whether his paper can ultimately help block Brexit or secure a second referendum – and whether it can even survive March 2019 if Brexit stays on track; his career to date including 18 years in senior roles at The Daily Mirror; and his evolving style of campaigning journalism – arguing the whole existence of his paper is “to give people hope” – and explains why he still believes more than ever that Brexit will not actually happen.”

    A ‘weekly distribution’ of £75k from the EU’s backers? Freudian.

    A few weeks ago they featured a BBC propaganda chief, by coincidence.


  47. G says:

    Welcome to the multicultural World of the liberal/left.
    Question: Does the German police include child grooming in the stats or do they ignore those crimes as the British police do?


  48. theisland says:

    Alternative sites

    Raheem Kassam has left Breitbart

    and BrexitCentral is advertising for a new Deputy Editor


    • OldEngineOil says:

      Lets hope Raheem keeps holding the BBC and the rest of the mainstream media to account. There is precious little media on the right of centre these days.


  49. Up2snuff says:

    I think the BBC may be in trouble with its mathematics again this morning:

    Nick Triggle is claiming that extra taxes need to be paid by every household in England (remember, the NHS is a devolved budget competence within the UK) amounting to £2000 per household.

    The budget for the NHS in England is about £125bn. A 4% increase would be about £5bn. But Nick is telling us that the IFS say 22.7m households in England need to pay £2000 per annum more for each of the next 15 years. That equals £45.4bn, over 35% more not 4% more.

    Unless my sums are defective, I can believe they are, I think the BBC might be rather embarrassed by getting this news item – a headline for today – very wrong. They should have asked some hard questions of the IFS.

    But, as we know from the Salisbury poisonings, the BBC no longer ask questions, let alone hard ones.

    Did the Institute for Fiscal Studies get a decimal point in the wrong place and the BBC did not spot it? Or is Nick Triggle’s piece wrong, his use of English misleading?


    • Up2snuff says:

      I have visited the IFS w-s and the report is there to read or download. A very quick scan of the summary suggests the £2000 p.a. per household for England (or even nationwide – the IFS appear to be a bit sloppy with their differentiation, perhaps they have also forgotten that health spending is devolved) is a BBC figure.

      Oh dear!

      The BBC have a Health Editor, Hugh Pym, and I think two Health Correspondents, Nick Triggle and I think a lady, whose name I have forgotten. Sorry. They also probably have some journalists working on health. Then the TOADY Programme has two ‘Editors of the Day’ and an overall Editor, Sarah Sands.

      For the web-site there are no doubt more Editors and assistants.

      Over all of that as far as radio is concerned is James Purnell, who is also still responsible for the web-site as Director of Strategy & Digital. The big question is, if the BBC have made a mistake on this, will James Purnell resign. And until he does resign, the next big question is will the BBC ask constantly from 6-9am, 1-1.45pm and 10-10.45pm each day on Radio 4 whether he will resign?

      If that is good enough for the former Home Secretary, Amber Rudd, then it is good enough for James Purnell, Sarah Sands, Hugh Pym and Nick Triggle.


      • JimS says:

        Your sums seem right to me and I find similar figures for NHS spend and households as you use. That means that the IFS figure should be £200.

        Jeremy Vine covered the same story and gave the IFS a very easy ride, (he did ask why they gave two estimates the answer being was that the lower figure covered growth and the higher allowed for increased drug spend). His rigour was confined to the Tax Payers’ Alliance man, who at least managed to get in a good point that the USA wasn’t a good comparison with the NHS and that the ‘socialist’ European countries managed to deliver a better service and had a private element.
        I did wonder how Vine found the end-of-career nurse who told us that everything had been fine under Labour and that the Conservatives had cut spending (a lie – even the BBC knows that) but Vine didn’t challenge her. We also had the ‘remainer’ who brought up (yet again) the ‘magic money’ bus. The simple ripost to that, which Vine missed is – we haven’t left the EU, another unchallenged mistruth, but we aren’t talking climate change or Lord Lawson here so that is alright.


        • Up2snuff says:

          Thanks for checking my sums, Jim.

          As I haven’t heard from Nick Triggle after I e-mailed him this morning and as the BBC opened a HYS on his article, I contacted the BBC around 4.30-5pm today. No reply yet.

          I re-did the sum for the whole UK (the IFS were surprisingly sloppy with their differentiation of the constituent parts of the devolved NHS) and I’m almost certain that the BBC created the £2000 figure but got the decimal point in the wrong place.

          The ONS state that we know have 27 million households in the UK. (That is up about two million since 2010 so some serious housebuilding & sub-dividing has been going on under the Conservative Coalition and solo Government.)

          £2000 x 27m = £54bn. If I recall correctly the current UK NHS spend is approximately £135bn.

          Strangely £54bn extra from taxpayers in a year would equal a 40% increase in the NHS budget, not 4%.

          Purnell, Sands and Pym should resign over this. It is a disgrace.