Midweek Open Thread 27 June 2018

Two good pieces of news

The EU withdrawal bill received Royal Assent-


the US Supreme Court ruled that President Trump’s ban on travel from certain Islamic States was lawful .

No doubt all of those politicians sneering at him for attempting to defend his country will issue fulsome apologies .

Al beeb quickly found other stories to tak attention away but we bear witness to their bias.

4 months until Brexit negotiations and due completion and 275 days until the UK leaves the EU.

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529 Responses to Midweek Open Thread 27 June 2018

  1. MarkyMark says:

    It’s getting real … because one Lord dares to ask a question …

    “… debates in your Lordships house be monitored for hate speech and Islamophobia against Muslims? Does he (Lord Peterson) agree with me, that Tommy Robinson who has sadly and to much disgust been hosted in your Lordship’s house for tea and lunch, and is now serving time in Her Majesties Prison Hull. Is now in a more appropriate place who thinks, speaks and preachers and conducts himself as he does.” – Warsi @2:42


    • Lucy Pevensey says:


      Our government is becoming more dysfunctional by the minute. Is this really a parliament? Are they really even adults? This is a discussion for college student activists not a parliamentary debate.
      “Islamophobia”?? Why is this misnomer, this SJW invention even being accepted as a term?

      “Islamo WHATifa”? Don’t be silly. Will the Rt Hon Gentleman please use ENGLISH………. Dismissed. Next item.


  2. MarkyMark says:

    “Cuts have consequences” Diane Abbott Twitter.

    Diane Abbott … 18% pay rise for all 650 MPs since 2010.
    Diane Abbott … Unlimited money from Guardian for writing articles about Austerity.
    Diane Abbott … Portrait costing £12,000 of public money (third of a nurses salary)


    600K Immigrants lost by home office and now wondering UK as illegals.
    20K on UK terrorist watch list not being watched.
    3K on UK extreme terrorist watch list not being watched.


    • thirdoption says:

      That is one of the most incredible portraits I have ever seen – for all the wrong reasons.


      • Lobster says:

        I believe the real thing is even more hideous.


      • Justin Casey says:

        `I thought it was Lennox Lewis` I seem to remember one of our posters commented thus regarding this portrait…. Everytime I see this picture i can`t help but laugh…


    • Roland Deschain says:


      Separated at birth?


  3. Terminal Moraine says:

    Something’s stirring these days.

    Verhofstadt’s getting a real kicking in the Guardian: “Guess who helped the rise of Europe’s mini-Trumps? Brexit-poisoned Britain”. Poor Guy’s having a bit of a tantrum about everything really, and — what’s the phrase round these parts — comments could be going better?

    Again, filter by ‘recommended’ comments and see what’s happening. I hate to use the word, but it really does appear to be a… backlash.

    Must be a lot of head scratching going on in King’s Cross.


  4. Tabs says:

    Lol, not quite the Midas touch

    Strange though as Osbourne had previous work experience of folding towels, then straight into Chancellor and then Editor – I cannot see why he would fail at all these jobs!


  5. MarkyMark says:

    BBC .. no more kids and women … men with phones …. notice that when you go into the article the image is replaced with a ship … sneaky …


    Migrant crisis: EU leaders plan secure migrant centres {bbc.co.uk 29jun2018}



    • StewGreen says:

      That sounds like the EU is going for WALLS
      … I thought walls were supposed to be evil ?


  6. Lucy Pevensey says:



    No mention of him being ‘white’. We know what than normally means.


  7. Cassandra says:

    UK Judges of Pakistani muslim origin on the make, allegedly ? I Wonder how long the BBC will try to avoid reporting this story. Makes you wonder if it’s keeping the lid on this, what else is it trying to hide?



  8. Dover Sentry says:

    Light relief on a hot day.

    ex-SAS trooper speaks about his job prospects after leaving the Army.


    But it says something about the country, does it not?


  9. Eddy Booth says:

    This heatwave has wore me out – usually I can second guess what semi-literate BBC ‘journalists’ are trying to say; but I’m struggling here:
    ”Is racism worsening Australia’s China influence row?”
    By Trevor Marshallsea Sydney
    Some crap them a photo

    ”Many Chinese first came to Australia to mine for gold in the 19th Century”

    Same as USA/Canada, funny though how the Chinese never get included in the blame for stealing the land etc


  10. StewGreen says:

    “Surprise upgrade to UK growth”
    you can comment with Have Your Say

    There are more here


  11. StewGreen says:

    BBC World vs Real World
    BBC Lincolnshire had @Adam_Pearson on
    .. oh funny voice
    .. oh of course he is the one with the huge facial tumours
    The BBC presenters thought it was best to mention this ..Why ?
    Surely your differences are your identity
    ..when you are in a foreign country you don’t go “Oh my god they introduced me as British, again”

    \\ About to hop on BBC Radio Lincolnshire 94.9. Talking TEDxBrayfordPool and being Fearless! //

    Is he just one of their normal lefties ?
    His pinned tweet is
    \\ Philip Hammond is an idiot at best and a facist at worst (I’m leaning more towards “worst”). How much longer can this government keep making cuts and throw around rhetoric that is now beginning to DIRECTLY marginalise disabled people. Its time for this to end – #DisabledRights //

    Once again this series of pubic Talks .ssemed to be hijacked by left activist issue pushers.


    • StewGreen says:

      oops typo
      The BBC presenters thought it was best NOT to mention this ..Why ?


  12. smoogie7 says:

    Theresa May seems to have gotten us a trade deal from Australia (the same Australia that has these ‘far right groups’ according to the BBC) yet no word from the actual BBC yet and nothing from the very high and mighty opposition (in the BBC’s eyes) either so a good day for the country maybe?

    Oh an the Tories are in the lead in the polls again, which of course will be swept under the carpet by the left as usual


  13. Guest Who says:

    One has to ponder the market rate appeal of La Maitless, our Evan, Kirsty et al.


    Maybe they need to bring J’Obsworth back; or add another string to Amol’s harp?


  14. fitz says:

    … an Uber driver told me today that 82% of London’s Uber drivers are … muslim…! … why is that, lads ?
    ( no wonder that the BBC trod so carefully around the muslim mayor’s stance on whether to ‘’ban’’ Uber or not … ).
    ( the proposed cosmetic ‘’ban’’ revolved around the safety of female passengers and the non reporting of rape … sounds just like Leeds, Luton, Rochdale etc etc … ) .


  15. Synchronised says:

    BBC have taken it upon themselves to award a stack of back pay to a well paid journo just because they can. As its my effing money can I have a say in what charity she decides to give it to. You couldn’t make this up even if you smoked half of Columbia.


  16. StewGreen says:

    \\ Libya says taking charge of rescue zone up to 80 miles offshore, the area where most migrant rescues take place.
    This is half-way to Lampedusa which presumably still covered by Italian rescue. //


  17. theisland says:

    Is this a wind up?


    • taffman says:

      Best of three.


    • fakenewswatcher says:

      Body language is always an interesting topic.
      ‘Gotcha by the scruff of the neck’, rather than a friendly pat on the back?
      Or is it: ‘I’m in control of you…I do the steering?’

      Where is the lady with the handbag when you need her?


    • Oaknash says:

      Island – I would not be surprised if that has been her tactic all along.

      I have said this on other bloggs but it is obvious that she is either unwilling or unable to negotiate a proper brexit and favours the “soft” option which as we all know is no brexit at all.

      It is obvious that she has no desire for us to leave the EU as she has fudged every test from the fishing fleets to uprgrading our borders to retaining a cabinet dominated by the likes of Hammond, deliberately pissing off the POTUS and more recently signing up to the Eu “army”

      What I think will happen is this
      Because she is a political coward she will seek to have a “peoples vote” on the deal. When she finally delivers (after many 2am summonses by Junker to Brussels) and waves her piece of paper with her dogs dinner sell out/ “agreement” we all get another vote and people will either boycott the “peoples vote” because the agreement is rubbish or vote against it – because it is rubbish. If we vote against it we will be temporarily in the EU anti room until Labour get elected and bin the whole of brexit.
      If enough of us boycott the vote because what we are offered is a completely humiliating sell out then the Euro loving, chicken hearted remainers will carry the vote and we are stuck with a “soft” brexit and Theresa gets what she wants.

      Basically we have all been right royally stiffed – as I said a couple of years ago she is evasive for a reason, and the reason , is that she wants to keep everyone onside until it is too late.

      I am sure the likes of Mogg realise what is going on and I think his lack of action shows us that pretty much no-one in the Conservative part can be trusted on this issue. It is no surprise that the first three letters of the Conservative party spell CON.


  18. taffman says:

    “EU plan secure migrant centres ”
    If President Trump had planned these, Al Beeb would report them as being Concentration Camps.
    Al Beeb hates Trump but loves the EU.
    It never ends bias, blatant and transparent bias. Evan a child could see through it.


    • MartinW says:

      Many, many years ago, Ann Widdycombe proposed that the asylum claims of all prospective migrants should be examined (by British officials) whilst they were still in in their countries of origin, and only if all criteria were met were any to be allowed into Britain. I think this was when she was in Michael Howard’s department. Naturally, her proposal was scorned by the BBC and the Deep State, and nothing came of it.


      • ToobiWan says:

        Too sensible, Martin.


      • Up2snuff says:

        MartinW, that is the requirement of some internationally agreed convention – Geneva? – that you apply in the country of origin to migrate. You only have access to the Vienna Convention if you have become a refugee thanks to war or persecution. Then you should strictly apply to and in the first ‘safe’ country you reach after escape from your country of origin.


  19. Eddy Booth says:

    Brexit: ‘Last call’ for deal, Donald Tusk warns UK
    Donald Tusk has issued a “last call” to the UK to “lay the cards on the table” if a Brexit deal is to be done in time.

    usual charade of the pretend fight between the EU and UK .

    Theresa Mary May——————————– Jean-Claude Juncker
    Production 2016 – ?
    Plot ( includes spoilers)
    Following an unexpected election result , aspiring globalist lackey Theresa Mary May teams up with old pro Jean-Claude Juncker- who is a master of the long con – to take revenge on the Brexit voters and steal their prize.
    The pair set about implementing an elaborate scheme, so crafty that Brexiteers won’t even know they been swindled.
    A series of fancy, faked scenes show May all alone at every single EU summit – giving the impression that no way could she be one of them, even gaining the marks sympathy, who fail to grasp they are getting played the whole time.

    Strong woman May then embarks on a series of tough negotiations, but somehow always manages to end up with the worse possible deal imaginable – all explained away because she is weak and hapless..
    As their big con unfolds, however, things don’t go according to plan, as the UK economy actually picks up, requiring some last-minute improvisation by the undaunted duo….

    Eventually the grifters prevail , overturn democracy and steal the first prize

    The caper also features several faded stars, desperate for any exposure.
    One Tony Blair who featured in three disastrous war movies, is paid for a walk on role. in one scene he blocks a Brexit supporter from getting his story to the news desks in time.


    • Fedup2 says:

      You left out the psychologically damaged henchman who wakes up screaming from the ghosts of those killed in unneeded wars started because of his lies – as well as a deranged peer or two whose lithium keeps running out resulting in him rambling on about” 17 million means nothing “


  20. JimS says:

    The RAF is 100 years old so Paddy O’Connell on Jeremy Vine manages to make it all about the Spitfire. By a strange coincidence John Nicol, a BBC favourite, just happens to have written a book called.. ‘Spitfire’, so he gets a free book-plugging slot.

    Were my ears deceiving me or did Nicols describe navigators flying in Spitfires, pretty rare for a single-seat fighter I would have thought? As expected we got to hear about the real Spitfire heroes, the ‘girls’ of ATA, who learned to fly on ‘Fiestas’ and then moved on to ‘Ferraris’, (just like the men?). It occurs to me that by proportion probably more women in the ATA had flying licences before the war than the men, for the simple reason that vastly more men who had never flown before got to learn very quickly in the gunsights of the ME109s.
    Don’t forget the women that built the plane! (No men involved apparently). To push the message we had Gracie Fields singing Thing-Ummy-Bob (the girl that made the thing that is going to win the war).
    I am sure that when Gracie Fields sang the song it was in the spirit of ‘we are all in this together’ whereas when the BBC plays it now it is part of doing boys down and dividing us.


    • Dover Sentry says:

      The ATA women pilots were ferry pilots, that’s all. They did no fighting at all. Their aircraft were unarmed for a start.

      Equality? Nope. They were not doing the same job.

      But we are forced to ‘celebrate’ and ’embrace’ this early version of diversity.

      These women fully accept that they weren’t doing the same job but of course the BBC/Left have to spoil that.


      • Oaknash says:

        No Dover you are wrong .
        According to Dan the “History Guy” the women fought in Spitfires in the Battle of Britain.
        At least that is what he told his daughters.


    • Lobster says:

      The Hurricane never seems to get a mention, even though it was responsible for 55% of the “kills” in the Battle of Britain. Mind you, knowing the standard of BBC “journalism” they probably think it’s one of those windy things that damages their holiday homes in the Caribbean.


      • Up2snuff says:

        More Hurricanes in service at the off in 1939 and for the Battle of Britain. Easier to build the Hurricane; the Spitfire required new manufacturing techniques & some difficult metalworking. Also better gun platform, I am informed Lobby, as well as slightly easier to fly if inexperienced. Think early Spits wobbled a bit and went backwards if cannon were fitted and used.

        Hurricane was slower and IIRC slightly less brilliant in a combat situation but could take a lot more punishment and keep on flying if the pilot was OK. However, as the Spit was advanced post B-o-Britain and pilots got more hours on them (pilots’ life expectancy in the BoB was none too good), things changed.
        In addition, the Spitfire got faster with development but the Hurricane design meant that it would be a bit of a dependable plodder.

        ‘Twas said of the Spit in the hands of someone with the hours on them, that you didn’t actually move the controls, you just thought you had done afterwards.


        • Guest Who says:

          Always wondered why more not made of the Merlin, common to the Hurricane, Spitfire, Mosquito and Lancaster…


    • RJ says:

      Jim, they’re all good points, but don’t forget the contribution of Miss Shilling’s Orifice.


    • Up2snuff says:

      JimS, think you are right. Two-seater Spits were built later (although it is really a modern craze – converting air-frames for a second seat) – didn’t know about the Nicol book. There are loads of other books out there. I have Alfred Price’s ‘A Complete Fighting History’ on a shelf somewhere.

      Women did indeed build and deliver Spitfires and Hurricanes, too. Men did the difficult bit, designing and dealing with Civil Servants. Women did the other difficult bit, learning how to create and consistently make compound curves in metal (for the Spitfire) and coming up with some clever solutions to problems. I have just been reminded of Mrs Shilling’s Orifice 🙂 (see Wiki) while fact checking.


  21. G says:

    Please tell me if, on this Jordan Peterson video, he does not set out vividly and accurately precisely what we are surrounded by at present.

    Well worth every moment of this extraordinary man’s views.


  22. Lucy Pevensey says:

    Feminazi arrest. Awe what a shame.

    Susan Sarandon arrested at protest rally


  23. Nibor says:

    Any Questions is on and I’m not listening to it now but perhaps tomorrow .
    I know Gina Millar is a panelist because Dimbleby Minor has given the biggest longest preview about AQ he has ever done , and it’s about Gina Millar .
    Apparently she has suffered so much abuse and threats that the police need to be involved .

    Well there we are , Brexiteers are thugs . The Beeb has managed to distort the debate by selectively mentioning this one case .

    Where is the horrified announcement of the abuse and threats to Nigel Farage ?
    The abuse and threats to ordinary people who voted Brexit ?

    The abuse of the ordinary people by the BBC ?
    The threats from the Remainers and EUrocrats to everyone in this country ?


  24. David R says:

    Bias on BBC Wales.

    They referred, at least by implication, in Wales Today, to Aneuran Bevin as being Welsh.

    He was born in Tredegar on 15 November 1897. He lived in Tredegar for most of his life. He died in Chesham on 6 July 1960.

    Tredegar was, for his lifetime and for several hundred years before and for ever since in the County of Monmouth which was in England from the Laws in Wales Act of 1535 until April 1974 when it was moved into Wales.


  25. Up2snuff says:

    Interesting Moments on BBC R4 #1 Thursday The Film Programme
    Francine Stock was talking to Bill Nighy. Old Bill was giving her some flannel about wearing suits in 1947. Extremely unlikely. Nighy wasn’t born until 1949.

    Interesting Moments on BBC R4 #2 Friday Any Questions
    Shadow Leader of the House of Lords, Baroness Smith of Basildon had checked up how Alan Duncan MP, the Europe Minister, had previously voted when the third Heathrow runway had come before Parliament some years ago. Dimbleby Minor did not hurriedly repeat one of his standard mantras “Of course The Panel are unaware of the questions in advance.” this time.


  26. Venutius says:

    BBC headline this morning…”Surge in Britons getting EU nationality”…it reads…”The dramatic increase is consistent across many countries…”…It goes on…”The most frequent new nationality was German, which saw a huge jump from just 594 cases in 2015 up to 7,493 in 2017.

    Some Facts and objectivity:

    1. Since Britain voted to leave the European Union last year, thousands of Jewish people with German heritage from WWII have applied for dual/German nationality. In essence, why wouldn’t they keep their options open.

    2. The actual total figure seeking EU nationality in 2017 was 12,994. Now, from a population of 65 million, does this really constitute a ‘surge’? Could this comparative number ever be described as ‘dramatic’? Clearly not.

    3. By comparison….30,000 EU nationals applied to become British citizens between June 2016 and June 2017, double the previous year and more than double the figure which motivated the BBC headline today.

    This is a fake news, bias and overtly political motivated anti-Brexit piece of shite, given prime front page headline space on their Website.

    While not surprised my contempt only deepens.


  27. G says:

    Britain’s “Deradicalisation” programmes failing. Surprise, surprise.
    I keep an eye on every effort to ‘deradicalise’ as I am planning to avail myself of the facility if my bitter bias gets any worse. Where did I become radicalised? I lived and worked in Saudi so I know only too well what the devotees to the “peaceful” ideology get up to………..