Start the Week Open Thread 15 October 2018

The Far Left BBC and the rest of the main stream media reported -with the usual bias – on a march on Saturday by the Democratic Football Lads Alliance. The opposition was described as ‘anti fascist’ therefore labelling the Lads as fascist . This has turned into a term of abuse now – or just for a person with whom one doesn’t agree. From traffic wardens to American presidents the term ‘fascist’ is thrown out as easy hate.

As for Brexit – the BBC will be stirring the pot again to support the EU against Britain in yet another “crunch week” ….

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731 Responses to Start the Week Open Thread 15 October 2018

  1. taffman says:

    Al Beeb informs us that……………..
    \\”Intensive” work is needed to overcome differences on the Irish border and reach a Brexit deal, Theresa May says.//
    Mrs Chamberlain, we voted out, not for any sort of bargain basement “Brexit Deal” .
    The Remainers have brought in the dodgy deal to fudge the result of the vote for UK’s independence.
    Mrs Chamberlain is playing for time. We have already waited 2 years and four months .

    A hundred years ago thousands of young British men gave ‘their all’ for our freedom and democracy.
    This new bunch of London snowflakes wont give up their latte coffee.
    There was no deal mentioned in the referendum, it was “REMAIN” or “LEAVE”.


    • Oaknash says:

      Taffy – I love the bit about “intensive work” this bunch of conniving bastards wouldnt recognise ten seconds “intensive work” if it jumped up and bit them in the wallet.
      What is for sure is that our gutless, perfidious, socialist, excuse for a PM and her Oily friend have already agreed the surrender deal and their only problem is how she spins it for the public.
      Will it be “rabbit from the hat” I can see the Daily Mail headline now “Our gal does it for Britain” – “Theresa master statesman yesterday after a midnight meeting in Bussels “…………………….
      Or will it be presented as some sort euro “cave in” – Daily mail headline. “Theresa shows her mettle” – “Yesterday after an astonishingly intensive round of talks – the Prime Minister stood her ground and came back with an astonishing deal for Britain”………………!

      Of course the only spanner in the works is the DUP. Lets hope she is unable to buy Arlene off with promises she has no intention of keeping.
      Sad that the only hope for anything resembling a true Brexit comes from a Group of ten MPs who are not even from the mainland. It must make the likes Soudbry very proud.
      Anyway I am off to buy an industrial pack of sickbags for the forthcoming “good news”


      • Alicia Sinclair says:

        I`d love to think that Arlene-given her personal experience of REAL warfare as she grew up in Ulster-will prove to be made of the right stuff.
        Sadly, I fear she might buckle. When she showed up at Martin McGuinness` funeral, I reckoned that she`d caved in.
        Hope I`m wrong.


        • Fedup2 says:

          Maybe she turned up to make sure the evil bastard was dead. Shame about Adams..


        • Oaknash says:

          Ahmen to that, Alicia. She would certainly have stood up for us more than the current tin eared, automaton we are currently saddled with.
          We shall see.


        • RJ says:

          “I`d love to think that Arlene-given her personal experience of REAL warfare as she grew up in Ulster-will prove to be made of the right stuff.”

          The key argument to press the DUP is likely to be; “Support May or get Corbyn, who supports the IRA”.


      • taffman says:

        Oaknash , you took the words from out of my mouth.
        Its all a pretence – a deal has already been done .


        • Oaknash says:

          I see this whole process as more of a pantomime rather than a negotiation, with the MSM and especially the BBC as the supporting cast booing and cheering on cue for dramatic effect.
          Theresa was appointed by the Tories for one reason , and that was retain the status quo as best she can for her globalist business mates, She knows “Chequers” is a crock of shit, but it is an ideal basis for any deal as fundamentally it is a sellout and any thing derived from it by nature will also be the same. That is why she is keeping such a death grip on this discredited piece of shite.
          The remainers cannot lose. They may dramatically groan and complain but as always with the EU the devil will be in the detail which probably will not come out for years.
          We should leave completely and adopt WTO rules as anything else is not what we voted for and retains the dead hand of the EU Commission over our business.
          By the way Taffy – I dont post here quite so much these days – have we still got a house troll?


          • taffman says:

            House Troll, maxi ? No, he must be in his ‘safe space’.
            Names of note……………….Campbell, Clegg, Clarke, Cameron, Grieve Hestletine, Major and Blair.
            Mrs Chamberlain will ask for an extension to the transition to buy them more time.
            A disgusting insult to democracy.
            Vote UKIP next time .


  2. StewGreen says:

    ITV Calendar Local News : “Staff and students from our area went down for a huge rally in London about lack of funding”
    (They cut to London ..and we’re supposed to not notice that they re using the same clip in all regions local news)
    The reporter stands with students in the background
    ..ah their placards have blurred parts , I guess cos ITV are censoring the swear words. “No cuts to funding You Tory ####” The next placard is completely blurred .. first letter is “F”
    …cuts to Steptoe Corbyn “What an incredible waste of resources it is to deny some people the education they deserve”
    You what !
    We taxpayers have paid for all the resources to be open today . instead Staff and students have WASTED them by taking a day off for a rally.

    Next LOCAL item, 3 fracking protesters have been released on appeal is from Sheffield
    ..that is a tenuous link ..when the actual protest was over near Blackpool.

    Adoption story : “Huddersfield : Adoption dad, Benjamin began the adoption process at 21
    at the time
    He was the first SINGLE, GAY MALE in Yorkshire to become an adoptive dad”


    • Fedup2 says:

      A beeb favourite – guardian columnist Zoe Williams – has been on red wine again . She likens fascists to vampires – don’t let them in- says Zoe .

      But she does not describe what’s a 21st century fascist actually is … but burbles about Jews and Nigel Farage ….

      A good example of the lazy thought of the lefty … a daily politics Islington regular…


  3. StewGreen says:

    I wouldn’t claim Melanie Shaw is 100% correct, but the coverup is interesting


  4. G.W.F. says:

    From the Lesbians at the BBC. You can spot a lezzie by the shape of her fingers Of course.

    Tell you what, the lesbian chosen for the picture looks very young, and white. Have we got a few lesbian Savilles in the BBC?



    • Oaknash says:

      Its obvious
      The special fingers are so much more efficient in legume flicking.

      I hope someone got well paid for producing this really useful piece of research. I can see a Nobel prize coming their way.


    • Fedup2 says:

      I was watching a film about book burning in the 1930s and saw the echo of that taking place in the mainstream media where certain ideas and expressions are being ‘ burned’ .

      Naturally those doing this modern day book burning would never see the link – which suggests a bleak future for certain types of expression -TR seems a sign post…


      • JimS says:

        There is an old adage in engineering that you can’t fix a problem if you can’t describe it. One of my concerns is that our language has been perverted by those that mean us harm with the deliberate object of making it impossible to describe the problems that they have created.

        So you think that you see ‘books being burned’ but the media will tell you that they are ‘creating a safe space’! Another example; a host might once have said “Good evening everyone!” but now, to be ‘inclusive’ it/she/he/zur would need to begin reading out a complete lexicon of ‘identities’. Unfortunately that lexicon is controlled by the ‘crazies’ and that excludes the ‘normal’ from any discussion.

        I have a younger relative who is in to all this stuff and who believes that it will all lead to a better future. I tell him that he should watch Dr. Jordan Peterson, but he says that he doesn’t need to because Peterson blames it all on ‘Post-Modernism’ but Peterson doesn’t know what Post-Modernism is, (unlike my relative), and therefore doesn’t speak the new language and can safely be ignored.

        I say to my relative, “You are an idiot!”. I trust that means the same in his language as it does in mine!


        • Richard Pinder says:

          I used the old adage in Astronomy ten years ago. Problem: How can you calibrate carbon dioxide warming independently from the second law of thermodynamics. Fix: Produce a formula that works for the Atmospheres of both Mars and Venus. In 2011, Ned Nikolov & Karl Zeller produced that formula, which proves that carbon dioxide warming is a hoax.

          This would make a great “Horizon” documentary once the Liberal fascist swamp was cleared away from the BBC.


    • Kaiser says:

      total people tested out of the whole worlds population … 32

      a perfectly representative sample


    • JimS says:

      Out of 18 lesbians ‘on average’ (10 out of 18?) had different finger lengths on the left hand. Hardly ‘settled science’!

      The lazy Getty image*, the BBC not having any images of its own, shows a right hand, so doesn’t really add much to the story. Of course it is possible that Getty/BBC ‘flipped’ the original image, photo editors/archivists seem to be quite careless in that respect.

      [* This is clearly an old image taken on film so quite easily scanned ‘flipped’ in error. I know it is an old image because all new Getty images show black/brown people only.]


  5. G.W.F. says:

    Who will be on the new £50 note asks the BBC? Not impressed with the choices so far.
    Let’s vote for Benny Hill, one of our greatest



  6. Guest Who says:

    They seem concerned.


    • Richard Pinder says:

      It mocks the BBC by depicting them as unthinking and reflexive automatons. For instance, instead of choosing the best Atmospheric Physicists in the land, the BBC instead chose environmental activists as non-player characters (NPCs) who reflexively spout Climate alarmist axioms in response to real-world weather events.

      The BBC calls its NPCs the best scientific experts in climate science, but the real experts such as individuals with something to say such as Richard Lindzen, Piers Corbyn, Gerhard Gerlich, Ned Nikolov, Karl Zeller, Henrik Svensmark and all those Astronomers who talk about barycentres and Albedo, are kept “off air” because they are not moronic NPCs.

      The BBC keeps these scientists “off air” by using a scripted response such as (1) They would produce a “False Balance” with our NPCs, or “best scientific experts” as the BBC calls them. (2) They are not part of the NPCs, or “consensus” as the BBC calls them.


  7. Guest Who says:

    Nobody seems to be biting.

    Guess they will have to make something up.


  8. RobRoy says:

    All those greens keen to ban fracking and blame Trump for climate change should check this out. CO2 emmissions have fallen under Trump despite a growing economy. And guess what, it’s due to fracking – doubt we’ll hear about that in the BBC.

    Full story at


  9. vlad says:

    Not reported by our most trusted broadcaster: a mob of over 100 ‘youths’ ransacked and vandalised a supermarket in vibrant, colourful, diverse Crouch End, attacking its staff.

    Now whenever the beebistan doesn’t report a crime, it’s usually because their favourite ethnics or religionists are involved.

    Sure enough:


    • vlad says:



      • AsISeeIt says:

        “A helicopter kept watch as the crowd dispersed… no arrests were made…”


        • Dystopian says:

          It’s a dangerous world. Helicopters watching us and cars ramming us on bridges….


    • StewGreen says:

      That story was first tweeted at 10:50am on Wednesday
      despite the hundreds of retweets, none were from MSM
      Contrast that with the way MSM particularly guardian kept tweeting about West Ham coach
      He is white
      Yet none of the looting youths in the photos appear to be white.
      That makes it look like MSM is practising inverted racism
      ..accepting that their excuse that the youths are under 18 and the coach is an adult.

      The only other other media that reports the story is the islington Gazette.


  10. Terminal Moraine says:

    Dr. Rachel McKinnon has caused a bit of a stir, having become the first transgender woman world champion at the UCI Masters Track Cycling World Championships.

    (Her Twitter says she’s an internationally recognized expert on the science and ethics of transgender inclusion in sport.)

    In the words of Morrissey, Some girls are bigger than others…



  11. Swelter says:

    Caught the BBC news tonight (just passing through) . Not a mention of the mass shooting today in the Crimea 18 dead 50 wounded. Didn’t even warrant a passing nod .


    • Rob in Cheshire says:

      It didn’t happen in America, so they can’t blame it on the NRA and Trump. Therefore it never happened.


  12. Annunaki says:

    interesting to see the BBC desperate attempts to get a black wimmin as the face on the new £50 note by quoting “odds”


    • Guest Who says:

      They have only managed one hand here. Outrage to follow.

      Oh, and #CCBGB


    • Fedup2 says:

      The idea of sticking a muzzie on a £50 just because she was a muzzie in WW2 is pretty depressing when you try to work out the mad thought process and desperation for ‘ inclusion ‘ when all it will breed is eye rolling and exclusion .

      A lot of brave people died horrible deaths in SOE. To highlight one is wrong . Some one truly ‘ great ‘ should be on the note – even sticking F Nightingake asks a few questions . Newton Churchill Nelson fair enough . Turing ? Bobby Moore? Beckham ?

      Sure the Queen Gord bless ‘er would have a view …


      • Cassandra says:

        Another Muslim’s likeness was also mentioned to be put on the reverse of a fifty pound note…



      • Despairada says:

        That page (linked by GWF above) is so badly written it’s embarrassing.
        Margaret Thatcher is summed up thus:

        “Her policies gave thousands of people the chance to buy their council houses and snap up shares in newly-privatised industries ….”.

        No mention of the Falklands Victory or generally wresting control from the strangehold of the unions and reversing the attitude that government’s only purpose is to manage decline.

        On Mary Seacole, “in 2004 voted the greatest black briton”. Who voted? There couldn’t have been much to choose from then.

        ” … her contemporary Florence Nightingale, who was also a nurse during the Crimean War”. So Mary Seacole was the main event and Florence just a sideshow?

        Florence Nightingale made nursing into a profession.

        There’s a really good article relevant to this distorting of history in schools today by Tom Utley in the Mail :

        written in response to Corbyn’s speech about his opinion that there should be more teaching about Black History in Schools.

        “All four boys were bombarded with information about the evils of slavery and colonialism and the sins of the British Empire. Meanwhile, whole lessons were devoted to a mixed-race woman called Mary Seacole ……. ”

        I know the Mail has gone downhill but Tom Utley still tells it like it is.


  13. taffman says:

    Back in Feb. this year Al Beeb reported Barnier’s threat “the clocking is ticking” , well isn’t ticking now. It must have stopped ?


  14. AsISeeIt says:

    Merkel & Macron
    Bundock & Fritz
    Stalled & Catastrophic

    The BBC’s anti-Brexit agenda is clearly on display this morning being most obviously identifiable within the editorial script decisions on their News Channel’s – Business Live show.

    Here our duo of female presenters, Bundock and Fritz, tell us negotiations have “stalled”

    Yet again, I refer back to the warnings from Greek finance minister Yanis Varoufakis that the EU would never negotiatiate in good faith.

    More recently he : “warned neither French President Emmanuel Macron or German Chancellor Angela Merkel want Brexit to define their term of office so will attempt to deny the UK a full exit from the Brussels bloc.”

    Our own BBC Merkel & Macron (Bundock and Fritz) exaggerate the woes of the UK car industry. Apparently it “could be set back 20 years”. But can negotiations be termed as having ‘stalled’ when they never really had the starter motor going? When talks were never actually put in gear? Name a concession Brussels has made to us?

    And then we have the new improved project fear. Bundock & Fritz put a shout out for pro-Brussels soundbites they can shout back to us: “Tell us what you are doing to prepare for Brexit?” “Stockpiling passports” comes the first comment helping the narrative.

    So we have negotiations that never really began termed as stalled. How about the alternative? Leave on WTO rules. You know, like the rest of the world. How would that look? “Catastrophic” yells our EUBBC duo. The quote carefully sourced from”business”. Some Brussels-funded crony corporate outfitlike the CBI no doubt furnishing the BBC with that one.


    • Ian Rushlow says:

      Our own BBC Merkel & Macron (Bundock and Fritz) exaggerate the woes of the UK car industry. Apparently it “could be set back 20 years”.
      The UK produced more cars 20 years ago:
      1998 – 1,748,000 cars
      2017 – 1,670,000 cars
      Last year was a good year for the UK car industry (that will be because of all the Brexit worries, right?). Compare with 2009, the last full year of the Blair/Brown regime, when it slumped to a production figure of 999,000.
      Anyway, as was established in the Soviet Union, economic production can only be reliably measured in terms of number of tractors produced in Ukraine, comrade.


  15. Guest Who says:

    Just when you thought the bbc couldn’t… well… care less… as they reckon they don’t have to.


  16. Up2snuff says:

    The BBC Picture Editor has boobed again!

    BBC web-site Home Page ( shows about half-way down the page a pic of a burger on a very flamey grill illustrating a food programme on R5L in the ‘Lifestyle’ category. Heading is ‘Do we eat too much meat?’.

    The BBC, no doubt anxious to support the latest crazy report from the mad ‘scientists’ at the IPCC, wish to reinforce their suggestion that the world needs to adopt a vegan diet to stave off global warming. The BBC really needed a picture of a whole bullock over a fire or a hog roast or somesuch, not a burger.

    As everyone knows, a burger contains ingredients other than meat. As not everyone knows, it is also – if made from good ingredients – a very healthy way to eat some, but not a lot of, meat.


    • Fedup2 says:

      I’m sure al Beeb tactic of grinding down interest in Brexit is one of the Soros remain tactics juxtaposed with the joyful site of The Young shipped in on Soros funded coaches for the Great Remain March .

      Looks like we re not really leaving don’t it?


      • Up2snuff says:

        Fed, don’t lose faith, remember THE VOTE. [ Thank you, Gina Miller. 🙂 ]

        When the PM resorted to threatening her Party (and, in effect, the nation) in her Conference ending speech, I was a bit downcast. But the fact the Beeb have now wondered out loud that there might be a cunning plan behind it all restored my faith a bit.

        I hope the kitten heels will be pressed firmly downward into the Brussels Wilton or Axminster from now on. Watch this space, as they say and do not despair. We must march out of the EU on our knees. Keep the faith!


        • Fedup2 says:

          Thanks for the advice .

          It dawned on me that no one in the government is directly telling us what is happening .such as prime ministerial broadcast once in a while .

          Yes – I know it would be weasel words but at least it would update those who voted to brexit and the losers how things are going

          Instead we are spectators – having to listen to tainted Al beeb Soros propaganda and having very limited sources of progress .

          Up – I still think the A50 date will be meaningless unless the tories such as JRM and David Davis and DUP do something .


  17. Fedup2 says:

    The red Tory Party s desperate attempt to prevent a real Conservative – Mr Farage – seems to be getting scant coverage from Al beeb as the trial of the MP and his helpers go on .

    A conservative MP on trial for election fraud would have been big news once upon a time but I suppose the naive threshold of the honestly of MPs was set by the expenses scandal , Vaz , bullying and so much more .

    Drain the Swamp


  18. G says:

    As someone here mentioned a day or so ago, swirling the internet, there are a growing number of conspiracy theories as to what’s happening in the US in relation to the NWO/Soros & Co. I looked at this on YouTube yesterday and it appears quite authoritative (don’t they all!).

    If anyone of the posts are in any way correct and the POTUS is heading toward the demolition of the NWO/”Deep State”, what will be the repercussions here? After all, Treezer is clearly answering only to the NWO/Soros/UN tunes as distinct to the UK voters. Example: the non-Brexit and the invasion of islam here and within the EU et al.


    • Up2snuff says:

      I really would have liked to be a fly on the wall (with very good hearing) when the PM went to Berlin for that meeting months ago with Angela Merkel.

      Did they meet alone, without officials and minutes being taken, I wonder?

      If so, I also wonder what plan they hatched?


  19. AsISeeIt says:

    Sometimes it’s hard to precisely fathom BBC presenters’ attitudes when they read autocue-style.

    So I simply relay Victoria Derbyshire’s words verbatim as she reads out a pro-Brexit text from a viewer.

    “…’Put the Great back in Britain’, someone actually wrote that in a text”

    surprise, dismay ? – draw your own conclusions from that little aside if you will.


  20. MarkyMark says:

    Politics – the art of forgetting what you said 5 minutes ago ….



  21. MarkyMark says:

    Politician of the Year 2018 … we should listen to all this man has given and more ….



    • fakenewswatcher says:

      We all know why GQ , or whoever, voted Lammy; it wasn’t for his political skill or integrity, but to make the publication look ‘trendy’ and ‘way out’, and -surprise- indulge in a little virtue-signalling.


      • Rob in Cheshire says:

        Lammy thinks he’s the British Obama, and in a way he’s right. Like Obama, if he wasn’t black, he wouldn’t get a job as a street sweeper, much less an MP.


        • Old Goat says:

          Obama was a puppet. Lammy is merely a nincompoop – no point in having anyone pull his strings – they’d probably be connected to the wrong bits, if at all.


  22. MarkyMark says:

    Reference CAS-5127804-4G4SLF

    Thank you for contacting us about BBC News.

    I understand you felt there was insufficient coverage of International Blasphemy Day on 30 September.

    We know that not everyone will agree with our choices on which stories to cover, or the order in which they appear. Our news editors make these complex decisions, based on the editorial merit of all the stories at hand. We accept that not everyone will agree with each decision – various factors are at play and there’s often debate in the newsroom too.

    A range of factors affect how we put together our news bulletins. Is it breaking news, or a dated story? Does it follow on from a recent event, or change our understanding of things? Is it unusual, or attracting national interest? We consider these things and also put great importance on verifying events and building up a clear picture – before reporting in a reliable and trustworthy way.

    Editorial decisions are more of a judgement call, than an exact science – so you’ll even find variety from one BBC programme to the next. Time constraints, the expected audience profile and the style of each bulletin or current affairs programme can all play a part.

    Suggestions for other stories to consider can be made here:

    Nevertheless, we appreciate the feedback that our viewers and listeners give us when they feel a story has been overlooked or marginalised.

    All complaints are sent to senior management and programme makers every morning and we have included your points in this overnight report. These reports are among the most widely read sources of feedback in the BBC and ensures that your complaint has been seen by the right people quickly.

    Thank you again for taking the time to contact us.

    Kind regards

    James Kelly

    BBC Complaints Team

    . . . .

    Complaint Summary: Where is International Blasphemy Day? BBC Omission

    Full Complaint:

    Dear BBC £3.5bn News Service paid under threat of prosecution by the Many, Not the Few,

    I searched for “international blasphemy day” on the website and your site only returned ….
    * Click: International Women’s Day
    * Click – Short Edition: International Women’s Day * Leeds International Piano Competition
    * Manchester International Festival
    * Dana International
    * Manchester International Festival: MIF 2017

    International Blasphemy Rights Day, educates individuals and groups about blasphemy laws and defends freedom of expression, especially the open criticism of religion which is criminalized in many countries. Blasphemy Day was introduced as a worldwide celebration by the Center for Inquiry in 2009.”

    1989 … Satanic Verses causes Iran to create fatwa for death of Salman Rushdie
    . . . . 4 years later and they mention it . . .

    1993 … Satanic Verses mentioned by United Nations
    . . . . .10 Years of the UN doing nothing . . .

    1999 … Iran say they will not hunt for the head of Salman Rushdie. {meforum jun1999}
    . . . 27 years later and the UN have been laughed at . . .

    2016 … Fatwa on Salman Rushdie renewed by Iran. {independent feb2016}
    . . . 29 years after Satanic Verses.. maybe the UN could have more serious words with Iran . . . .

    2018 …. Iran release state emojis that show ‘death to America’ and ‘death to Israel’. { 25apr2018}

    “The omission is the most powerful form of lie, and it is the duty of the historian to ensure that those lies do not creep into the history books.” – George Orwell

    BBC Nick Robinson Twitter 07nov2017 …‘”If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear”. I’m proud those words now adorn BBC HQ’ . . . .

    Can the BBC £3.5bn News Service explain why this important day “International Blasphemy Day” has been omitted from history when other international days are reported on? Was it too difficult to report on?


  23. Philip_2 says:

    Free TV licences for over-75s could be scrapped!
    I have never been much keen on the BBC license fee. I may be an ‘Oldie’ but I am not the BBC target market (and have never been much of a ‘yoof’ either) that the BBC seems to think are easily controlled and somehow more important than reality itself. I never watch the BBC – if I can avoid it -and I can quite easily – thanks to some excellent competition that makes the BBC obsolete. So I am informed today that a new ‘think tank’ (oxymoron when anything self published linked to the BBC) will undoubtedly recommend a ‘public consultation’ (then ignored in true democratic EU style, that it has a ‘private consultation’ of a few lefties) and that they will be scrapping the ‘free’ TV license for over 75’s is a brilliant and inspired idea….

    Should I be worried? The over 75’s are likley to be ignorant of form filling and although the threats by the BBC may be real (or imagined), it’s hardly going to make much difference when you watch FREEVIEW (which many – or all- BBC shows end up and not requiring a license fee). From experience and observation the over 75’s fall asleep easily at the very mention of a BBC luvvie on screen and prefer the Cops and Robber shows (usually from Australia).

    If only the BBC were more imaginative in extending the TV licensee fee to Australia, now that might make a difference if the Australians are daft enough to watch any of the BBC shows ‘live’ although, I suspect not. IS the BBC a serious world broadcaster? or a local anomaly of the UK which has a national broadcast monopoly? Is ITV better than the BBC (in my view yes) and then I don’t watch much ITV either. I read a lot so there is an angle that Newspapers and Books can be taxed to fund the BBC. I predict that not only the BBC will ‘win’ its chance to get over 75’s in jail for non payment (for daring or political wrong thoughts) but the BBC could also double the TV license fee and extend the license to all parents with children under 5 but then nobody watches much BBC TV any more and parents are wary of letting their children watch the BBC for long due to its hectoring (and dismal sexualizing of all and sundry). Its just not a FUN station – or worth £30 per year – let alone £150. What will be in the New years (2019) another big BBC TV license tax increase to fund the lost souls in the ‘BREXIT’ referendum as they (the BBC) will have run out of money and EU subsidies (again). More TV license fees + higher cost per show TV is the obvious BBC answer to ALL competition from NETFLIX (who don’t do ‘advertising’ either and also offer a real choice in stark contrast to the BBC fingering and political gerrymandering. So over 75’s may welcome the choice between depravity (of the BBC) and everything else available world wide, mostly for free and a lot cheaper (and more informative) than the BBC will ever be. Food for thought!


    • AsISeeIt says:

      I’ve never been keen on the idea of differentiated pricing for different sections of the population. If in the private sector a barber chooses to advertise half price for OAPs on a quiet Tuesday morning then that’s his free decision. His business, he either benefits or suffers. But when we have the public sector including the BBC (despite their dubious quasi-corporate set up they are public sector) striving to segment the population along identity lines and – dare I use the word – discriminating – between groups, then we have a problem.

      How about those under a certain income level getting free TV Licences, how about the disabled, pregnant women… the list might go on and on. Now if we justify the over-75s getting the freebie on poverty grounds then we are saying pension levels are too low. That is a seperate discussion we need to to have and freebies such as TV Licence or free travel passes etc are masking the issue and preventing us having the real debate we need to have.

      In any case this threat of the removal of the over-75 freebie will inevitably be lifted to great fanfare.


      • Philip_2 says:

        AsISeeit. If we take a logical approach to the current daft equality laws and extend them to ‘Ageism’ then we can make the claim that over 75’s are no different to children and therefore by extension, children would also be liable for TV licensee fees – if caught watching CBBC. It is also possible that the BBC will ‘fragment’ fees to it hold onto TV licensing by ‘fractional’ discrimination of the populace into sub optimal groups. Favoured (diversity inspired sex and overt poltical) groups are FREE whilst general population pay for it (as if imposed – no age discrimination – is allowed can be argued to favor a DIRECT ‘subsidy’ by the HM government to fund any loss of revenue by the BBC TV license. This is the Orwell moment, when the BBC looses its sole claim to ‘impartiality’ (hah!) , to be at supposed ‘arms length’ from the left leaning civil-service and that it will and DOES discriminate on moral, religious, age and political left wing issues claiming itself to be ‘impartial’ – when in practice this is dependent on political subsidy and favors.


    • Up2snuff says:

      Philip, it will be interesting if the BBC put some numbers to this ‘cost-saving measure’ at the outset.

      It will also be interesting, if the Free Over-age 75 Licence is scrapped, what the BBC accounts will show for LF income for the first full year after change. If it is not much different, then it will be a foot-shooting exercise of historic proportions.

      It will also be interesting if the BBC then keep trumpeting “We are all living longer” quite so much.


      • Thatcherrevolutionary says:

        There is no reason for this other than falling revenues. As more and more people get sick of their lefty bias, they stop paying the tax.
        Crapita goons have already had polite threats from myself and 2 of my neighbours over the last few years, and were reassured if they started their shit on any of our wives or families, what would happen to them.
        I suspect that they see over 75’s as a soft touch, well off, and less likely to refuse one of their official looking goons access to their home.


  24. Kaiser says:

    just has a conversation with guido lol on the saudis latest actions

    Guido seems very interested in the disappearing of a foreign “journalist” by a foreign power in a foreign land
    the disappearing of (TR) a citizen journalist in britain by the british authorities not so much

    guidofawkes NotModBot > Kaiser •
    a few seconds ago

    He didn’t disappear. The twat broke the law. repeatedly.

    Kaiser > guidofawkes • a few seconds ago

    the appeal court didnt agree with you



  25. Up2snuff says:

    I don’t know if anyone else noticed but this web-site got a Radio 4 mention last night.

    Ken Cheng was quite funny in his intro. (BBC R4 11.02pm Weds 17th Oct.) I had to switch off afterward though. His material was sabotaged by canned laughter inserted into the wrong places, either with or without the Producer’s say-so.

    (I have a suspicion that performers really do not like it. I have an additional suspicion that the engineering staff – who have to do it – definitely do not like it either. It appears it is insisted upon by Producers or by the Head of Comedy. I also suspect that Engineering deliberately sabotage the process – adding laughter in the wrong places/duplicating/cutting the clip – in order to generate complaints.)

    Ken, if you wish to complain to Julia McKenzie or Gwyneth Williams or both, let us on B-BBC know, and we will support you. I hope other B-BBCers do not object to my presumption and agree.


    • StewGreen says:

      The BBC Radio Comedy producers on Facebook said they never use canned laughter.
      I say they use curated laughter and selective editing, ie use the laughter from the first take where the performer fluffed his lines etc.


      • Up2snuff says:

        Stew, do you believe them?

        The phrase that Mark Damaser used, nigh on 20 years ago, was “adjusted laughter”. Unfortunately, after he had gone on Feedback and said that, one or two performers and Presenters dropped very clear hints that he ‘had done a Hillary’, ie. misspoken.

        Quite a while back I tried to check if particular performances were in front of a studio audience. It wasn’t easy. The trigger was that Continuity no longer say “which was recorded live in front of an audience.” when announcing a programme. I searched in vain for the ticket application listings and they were very limited. It was almost impossible to tie up for future programmes as so few were listed.

        There might be a determined geek out there with absolutely nothing else to do in life who could log every live show and match it to subsequent broadcasts but that is not me.

        As Continuity have introduced programmes in the past as being “new series” when in fact they are repeats, I really do not trust the BBC on this. It used always to be the case that a repeated radio programme was introduced as such. Not so now.

        For the reasons I mention, I think the process is being deliberately sabotaged. I will make further enquiries when possible. 😉


        • StewGreen says:

          @Up2snuff Do I believe them.?
          – He told us on Facebook
          – He didn’t contradict me
          when I pointed out that I have been in BBC audiences at the Fringe and seen them curate the laughter by means of the warmup, studio manager and retakes.


          • Up2snuff says:

            You believe everything a Beeboid says on Facebook?


            Pl. see post on new Weekend Thread.


  26. MarkyMark says:

    “A nation can survive its fools (David Lammy), and even the ambitious (Boris Johnson). But it cannot survive treason from within. (Theresa May and Philip Hammond)

    An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.

    But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor (Jeremy Corbyn); he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men.

    He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”

    ― Marcus Tullius Cicero


    • G says:

      Islam surely?


    • Guest Who says:

      ‘Twitter’ is fuming that Nigel Farage was allowed on the BBC (having achieved nothing, well, save helping a nation on a path free of unelected chancers, schemers, marchers, petitioners, hashtaggers and the like) alongside the saviour of the nation Ken Clarke, who is a mixture of Churchill and Henry V. Apparently.

      Those most offended by Ken being so sullied also appear to love this bloke beyond all reason.

      Despite being on the BBC a lot, and clearly a hero to Sir Bob, Sir Pat, Sir Cumspect, etc, what exactly are his qualifications to debate this issue?


  27. G.W.F. says:


    Strong evidence of Native American blood, says the BBC


  28. Rich says:

    As the bBBC have reported on ‘Mad cow disease’ having been found on a farm in Scotland I wonder how long it will take them to tie it in with a) their vegan agenda and b) Brexit?

    Anybody got a picture of Sturgeon in wellies?


    • Old Goat says:

      No danger to the public, we are assured. How would they know?


      • Fedup2 says:

        Suppose is scotch beef is banned by the ReichEU to kill a rival industry the SNP will blame the English and demanding a welfare handout from “Westminster “ as usual .

        Get your indeoendence and I’ll help build the wall when they join the ReichEU , drive on the right and adopt the ReichMark .

        Where’s Alex ‘touchy feely ‘ salmon these days . ? No heard him mouthing off about brexit recently .


    • Demon says:

      Two cows in a field near Aberdeen. First cow says to the other “Aren’t you worried about this mad cow disease?”. The other replied “No, I’m not worried – I’m a haggis”.


  29. JimS says:

    Those wonderful ‘many’ that the BBC love to quote are at it again:
    Many have argued that in the past Mary Seacole’s work has been overshadowed by her contemporary Florence Nightingale, who was also a nurse during the Crimean War. However in 2004, Seacole was voted the greatest black Briton and her achievements against a backdrop of discrimination in the 19th Century are becoming more widely recognised.”

    So Florence Nightingale, who set up and ran hospitals and arguably defined the principles of modern nursing, ‘overshadowed’ the work of camp-follower and shopkeeper, (founder of the NAAFI?), Mary Seacole? Iz it cus I iz bleck? You bet!


    • RJ says:

      “Mary Seacole? Iz it cus I iz bleck? You bet!”

      I hate to rain on anyone’s BME parade, but her father was white. With a 50/50 heritage, if she’s eligible for consideration as the “greatest black Briton” she’s equally eligible for the consideration as the “greatest white Briton”.


  30. Dover Sentry says:

    How may white faces are due to appear on a Pakistani bank-note? Any?

    How many white faces are due to appear on an African bank-note? Any?


  31. Rich says:

    BBC NI , usually so keen to report on everything the Irish government think and say about Brexit, haven’t mentioned the pictures of a bombed out border checkpoint that Leo Varadkar presented to his EU counterparts at a summit dinner on Wednesday. Obviously keen to show the perceived dangers of a future hard border and the ensuing violence and lawlessness that will happen, I’m sure that he highlighted the deaths of nine at the customs post near Newry in 1972. I wonder if he mentioned that the bomb went off prematurely and that besides killing six innocent civilians the three IRA members who were carrying out the attack were also blown to bits.

    Better not to mention either that had they been more successful in their attack they would have found safe refuge in the land of Leo just across the border with little danger of being extradited by their accommodating Irish allies.


  32. vlad says:

    We now learn that the vile Muslim kingdom of Saudi Arabia had a journalist tortured to death in a hideously barbaric way in their consulate. Why am I not surprised.


    • Fedup2 says:

      I’m guessing a few more Saudis have paid the price and gone off to their false god as a result . The 15 ‘ tourists’ who went to Turkey were probably on the list .
      At least the whole thing took place in another Muzzie country so at least the West is a sort of spectator –


      • vlad says:

        Yes but a brave journalist – unlikely the beeb-slime – died a grisly death in the process.


    • BRISSLES says:

      Vald….. aah but that has got nothing at all to do with the hard working, peace loving, community minded Muslims who live in the UK, and who are of great benefit to this country !


  33. s.trubble says:

    There should be some brilliant u tube videos if this bBC shower make the over 75’s pay up.
    can you imagine the goons meeting some of the old folks……….

    i,ve already told my mother (89) when answering the door as follows;

    1) No teeth in
    2) Mouth agape
    3) ensure wearing plastic fruit hat preferably with long feather
    4) slippers on wrong way
    5) no verbals.


  34. taffman says:



  35. taffman says:

    Has this site been ‘Down’ since 3:50?
    Anyway – its pretty clear now that Mrs Chamberlain is a Remainer who fooled the ‘dyed in the blue’ Tories.
    A majority of the Conservative MPs are ‘Remainers’ they have misled their voters and the people of Great Britain.
    The only option now is UKIP.


  36. Guest Who says:

    Go Rob… go!!!


  37. Guest Who says:


    However, interesting coverage.


  38. Fedup2 says:

    Off the capitals now – anyway hopefully we are back to the normal ReichEUshambles … I suggest should the site fail for a longer period we migrate to “ is the BBC biased? ‘’ but if anyone has a better idea it would be good to discuss…


    • taffman says:

      Well done ! Keep the site on the rails .


    • MarkyMark says:

      Good work. Thanks.


    • JimS says:

      Tomorrow’s BBC headline:

      “Even the Brexiteers are moving to Frankfurt”

      I thought maybe Mrs Meerkat had pulled the plug on David Vance.

      [The error mesage at my end implied that ‘Frankfurt’ was ‘up’ but that the server, presumably located there, wasn’t responding.]


    • StewGreen says:

      Yes I noticed at 4:45pm and fired off a tweet
      I suggest the first downtime option is our FP page
      Cost thread titles seem to be replicated there.

      But the post pattern there defaults to “send on pressing enter”, so I wasn’t able to make new paragraphs cos Shift-enter didn’t work on Android so everytime I tried to start paragraph 2 the comment got posted before I’d finished
      (it does work on Windows)


  39. Fedup2 says:

    Al beeb hasn’t discussed the options for dealing with the Northern Ireland border issue on Brexit . I have the solution . When Eire joined the EEC at the same time as us they were happy as Larry because they got a shed load of development money for infrastructure . There were bloody EU flags everywhere ,
    This dried up when the Eastern Block joined .

    So the solution is – bribe the Irish Republic to leave the ReichEU. It would be cheaper than paying the billions to the EU for nothing ….


    • JimS says:

      Good idea! £8k per Paddy would buy a lot of asphalt!


      • Fedup2 says:

        It was a bit like the time when “ refugees” landed inblighty from the EU mainland but kept going to Eire because the benefits were better . That Is True .


  40. taffman says:

    Something dodgy going on here ………………..”Police officer run over in Blackley during van chase”
    Girls in pyjamas ?


    • Fedup2 says:

      Doesn’t beat the car and caravan on foreign plates driving the wrong way up the m40 ..not named yet …


  41. taffman says:

    “US moves to negotiate trade deals with Japan, UK, EU”…………………..
    The Important bit at the end………..
    “While the UK is not able to negotiate trade agreements until it formally leaves the EU, a US-UK working group launched in 2017 has been preparing the ground for a potential future trade agreement.”


    • vlad says:

      Undermined and sabotaged by slimy creeps like Burk-o
      Remind me, what do we do to saboteurs in times of war? Oh yes, we SHOOT them!


    • Fedup2 says:

      Be a hellofathing if President Trump rescues us from PM May and the ReichEU. At least by the start of his second Term we will only be in the extension of the extension of the first second or third backstop and on People’s Vote number 5…


  42. MarkyMark says:

    Is this film racist or just good comedy?



  43. Fedup2 says:

    The British State published the recorded crime figures today . Al beeb didn’t realky know what to make of them . The Police/ Home Office Change recording practices all the time making comparisons tricky . Homicides are the most reliable stat because they are hardest to fiddle

    The really clever thing is to make reporting crime difficult by putting you on hold for 20 minutes then being answered by a 13 year old on work experience ..

    detection / clear up rates are All pretty meaningless because it assumes sentences have any meaning – you can get out for a life sentence after 8 years – which for many could be well worth it .

    Declaration – i am not a convict .. yet .


    • Kaiser says:

      we have had a tyre stabber shared between myself and 2 neighbours
      20 tyres in the last year, 5 in the last 3 weeks

      we have 1 crime number for all the incidents,

      the police advice spend £3-400 each on cctv, (each * 3) on the off chance they are not wearing a hoodie, if we should spot them call the police who will send a car from 10miles away to “intercept” them


  44. MarkyMark says:

    The new commissioner of the Met Police has chosen to be paid more than £40,000 a year less than her predecessor, the mayor of London has revealed.

    Cressida Dick was offered £270,648 plus benefits, the same as Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe, but instead will receive a salary of £230,000.

    Mr Khan said Ms Dick “has already had a long and distinguished career, and brings enormous experience and expertise to lead the Met through some challenging times.”

    The mayor has previously spoken about budget constraints for the force, which has made £600m of savings since 2010 and needs to make a further £400m in savings in the next few years.

    One of her first engagements will be to attend the full police funeral of PC Keith Palmer, who was killed outside the Houses of Parliament.


  45. MarkyMark says:

    EXCLUSIVE: Scotland Yard to ‘downgrade’ police entry tests to allow for ethnic minorities
    SCOTLAND Yard wants to downgrade the importance of written English tests at police recruitment centres to make it easier for candidates from ethnic minorities to join the Met.

    Bosses believe people who do not have English as their first language are being discriminated against under current assessment rules.

    They have recommended the weighting placed on the “Written Communication” section of the Metropolitan Police’s tough entrance exam is lowered.


    • Fedup2 says:

      Marky – excellent idea – since a third of those in Londonistan can’t speak English – why should the police ? If they have a snowflake plan to reflect the communities of Londonistan why have English as a language at all ? Sure adds to the bill for interpreters .

      The whole of the criminal injustice system can operate the same way – including lawyers who can’t speak English as well as judges …


      • Kaiser says:

        met an iranian woman last week came over here for a job, fair enough thinks I at least your paying tax.

        “who does she work for”
        the police as a translator

        so not actually paying tax , consuming tax to translate for the criminals we’ve imported


        • vlad says:

          Yes, our insane immigration policies (or lack of) have spawned a whole industry that produces nothing at all, just drains the public coffers and gives it to the least deserving, such as in this case criminals. Lord help us, how have we got into this mess, and more importantly, how will we ever get out of it?


  46. StewGreen says:

    Gov has blocked a study into prisoners convert to Islam.
    The Times always calls on the anti-metrolib Jawad Iqbal, who pushes back against MetroLibs
    “…The no. of Muslim prisoners in jails in England & Wales has more than doubled in recent yrs,
    rising from 5500 in 2002 to 12894 in 2018.
    Of the 200+ prisoners in custody in GB for terrorist-related offences, 82% are said to hold Islamist extremist views….
    Problem is how to prevent extremists eg Choudary radicalising/influencing.
    Ministry of Justice is wrong to block study on why inmates convert inc link to radicalisation.
    MoJ thinks research won’t be helpful thus highlights a bureaucratic culture intent on burying head in sand”

    “Westminster Bridge killer, Khalid Masood, a petty criminal, became an Islamist after converting in prison.
    – The problem isn’t confined to Britain’s jails.
    Amedy Coulibaly, who killed four people at a kosher store in Paris,
    and Chérif Kouachi, one of the brothers who carried out the attack on the offices of Charlie Hebdo magazine, were radicalised in a French jail.”

    Drivers “include access to food available only to practising Muslim inmates,
    as well as gaining the protection of powerful Muslim gangs. -Blocking the research risks withholding vital knowledge from prison staff”


    • StewGreen says:

      Top comment :
      \\ We already know that:
      1. The extremist sect called the “Deobandi” are in control of the Islamic prison clergy;
      2. The Deobandi are the largest group in the vocal MCB an organisation that will try to frustrate any attempt to deal with the issue;
      3. Labour and then May as home secretary allowed the Deobandi take over to happen;
      4. The Deobandi were founded as an anti European movement that eventually led to the Taliban; etc.
      If the politicians do not know these things then they should not be home secretary or shadow, PM, or leader of the opposition.
      Perhaps a read of “Londistan” would help them.
      Start with how the Deobandi are legal, and why they control nearly all Sunni Cleric training in the UK.
      The prison impact is one of many.//

      A large proportion of UK mosques are allegedly Saudi funded


  47. Guest Who says:

    This is an interesting statement of principle.


  48. Guest Who says:

    Raising multimillionaire tax exiles in unflattering ways is rather ‘brave’, considering the bbc BFF list currently on Brexit.


  49. vlad says:

    Now here’s a funny thing: you know how the beebistan love to quote celebs when they pontificate on politics, such as likul Lily Allen, Cucumberpatch or Gimme Lineker virtue signalling about heavily bearded ‘refugee’ children?
    So you’d expect them to give prominent coverage (as has the Standard, msn and many others) to Michael Caine’s comments that he’d rather be poor outside the EU than rich in it.
    (“I say I’d rather be a poor master of my fate than having someone I don’t know making me rich by running it.”)

    Yet there’s zilch on their webshite, under Home, UK, Politics or Showbiz.

    Not a lot of people know that. (And that’s how the beeb want to keep it.)



  50. TheRebelUK says:

    Another crunch week from BBC where treason May has done nothing for anyone again, except her EU masters. You wouldn’t have noticed that though, from biased bbc. Who had Dominic grieve with lots of extra time to talk about remain. Typical one sided BBC.

    Theressa has to go, she can’t do what the country needs. Someone has to stick up for this great country, England, Ireland, Scotland & Wales! Come on guys get on with it!
    You politicians need to sort this out so if your reading this get on with doing as the public voted.

    Brexit means Brexit now