Start the Week Open Thread 15 October 2018

The Far Left BBC and the rest of the main stream media reported -with the usual bias – on a march on Saturday by the Democratic Football Lads Alliance. The opposition was described as ‘anti fascist’ therefore labelling the Lads as fascist . This has turned into a term of abuse now – or just for a person with whom one doesn’t agree. From traffic wardens to American presidents the term ‘fascist’ is thrown out as easy hate.

As for Brexit – the BBC will be stirring the pot again to support the EU against Britain in yet another “crunch week” ….

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731 Responses to Start the Week Open Thread 15 October 2018

  1. petebogtrott says:

    You’re only supposed to blow the bloody doors off. Ali snack bar


  2. smoogie7 says:

    So what is going on with Brexit today then?

    Our national broadcaster, or national shame as I call them seem to be having a lot of fun stiring things up as usual but I see conflicting stories.

    Is the ‘transition’ period going to end in 2020 as the PM said? Or is it 2021 now? I actually read somewhere else it might be 2022?

    Of course the BBC have the perfect excuse to have an anti Tory week, I guess they think that big time hard Brexiter Corbyn would do a better job. Shame for Labour that their ‘second referendum’ idea is not well liked either.

    Why can the BBC not just present the facts and facts only. I don’t want to hear their overpaid ‘experts’ spitting out any old rubbish that is confusing and conflicting. The BBC is proving to be as unhelpful as possible.


    • taffman says:

      “Why can the BBC not just present the facts and facts only.”
      Because the facts get in the way of a good anti-Brexit story or “Propaganda”.


      • smoogie7 says:

        So what is the real story? Is Brexit actually going well?
        I myself like to regard myself as a middle man, neither friend or foe in the Brexit world. I like to hear all views before jumping onto a ship. I do however also believe in democracy and agree that the vote for leave should without any question be respected. The bias that the BBC has shown Brexit and the Brexit voters is beyond disgusting and all of this ‘mind games’ that they are playing has to stop.

        I hope that the UK can get a good deal, I want us to be the leading country in the world. That is nothing racist, I just want our country to be the one that leads again. I don’t want our ‘national broadcaster’ to try and undermine anything. I don’t like their obvious support for the opposition, the constant anti Tory stories. That is the last thing we need right now and although things are not perfect in our government just look at what holds them back. Why did the PM lose her majority? It was because Corbyn lied about cancelling student debt to get young voters on his side and the BBC and also ITV and Sky all regarded it as a Labour ‘victory’

        Thanks to that things have been made harder for Brexit, we now have an opposition trying to stir things up as much as possible for another election. They are trying to appeal to both sides with their constant U-turns. The Tories have both leaver and remainers as their supporters yet the remain camp on Labour seem to be the remoaners. The fact that the BBC want to support that is just plain selfish of them and I hope that once Brexit has been dealt with the left wing bias from the BBC will be dealt with. If there is a referendum on stopping the BBC and ending the license fee then I will be their biggest and loudest ‘leave’ voter


        • taffman says:

          Then vote UKIP.


          • smoogie7 says:

            Not my party to be honest. The thing is they would never really make any more ground than they had at their peak. A couple more seats could be possible but the most fortunate for them would be a hung parliament to the Tories which the Tories would need to form a coalition with someone. A couple of pro Brexit UKIP MPs might help things move quicker but the chance of that ever happening is slim.


            • taffman says:

              You don’t have many options left then ?


              • smoogie7 says:

                Any other options that you can think of?

                The only other option is Labour and I don’t need to go into how bad they would be for this country in the long term let alone for Brexit


  3. Kaiser says:

    qt muppet audience what about the 48%

    WHAT about the 52% you f00kin morons


  4. Kaiser says:

    despite guido publishing multiple articles today with everyone promising no hard border

    qt is talking about war in NI due to a hard border

    keep up folks I thought you were suppose to be well informed

    now we are onto trans rights and no women have been hurt by self identifying trans women, despite the male rapist trans prisoner detailed last week

    keep up folks , there is such a thing as the internet and the news

    now they are claiming there is the same number of intersex people as ginger people , really, really f00kin really
    I know way more ginger people than intersex people


    • smoogie7 says:

      I don’t even know what ‘intersex’ is. Is that a new buzz word that the BBC made up?


      • BigBrotherCorporation says:

        I’ve met plenty of people who were into sex, oh sorry, wrong end of the stick, you said intersex… not a clue, sorry… on retrospect, don’t want to know, sounds kind of weird.


  5. taffman says:

    Al Beeb tells us that “Homicide rate at highest level in a decade”
    Who was the Home Secretary?
    Who is the Prime Minister now ?
    Answers please………………………..


  6. smoogie7 says:


    ‘The puzzle of the people least likely to vote Tory’

    ‘Black and ethnic minority communities are as diverse in their values and beliefs as the rest of the population. So, why do these voters overwhelmingly support the Labour Party over the Tories?

    The Conservative Party faces a serious challenge when it comes to securing the support of non-white voters.

    About three-quarters vote Labour, while fewer than one in five votes Conservative, according to the 2017 British Election Study (BES).

    Unless the pattern changes, this is a headache for the Tories which could worsen in the long term, as the non-white population increases.

    So, why has this happened and what can the party do to win over communities who play an increasingly decisive role in choosing who governs Britain?’

    ‘About this piece

    This piece is based on an episode of BBC Radio 4’s Analysis programme. It was written for the BBC by an expert working for an outside organisation.

    Rosie Campbell is Professor of Politics and Director of the Global Institute for Women’s Leadership at King’s College London. She specialises in voting behaviour, political participation, representation and gender. Follow her @ProfRosieCamp.’


    I read through it, I see that the BBC mentioned Windrush and that might be ‘putting off’ non whites into voting Tory. Funny was that not something to do with Labour as well? How many more times will the BBC keep peddling this against the Tories?

    As I said, interesting…


    • Richard Pinder says:

      As a Mensa member, I am aware of a book called “The Bell Curve” by Richard Herrnstein and Charles Murray. A book about intelligence and class structure. It shows that low IQ people are more likely to be represented by a political party that was set up to represent the lower classes, such as the Labour Party. While high IQ people are more likely to be middle class and therefore represented by a political party that represents the higher classes such as the Tory Party.

      Black Africans are the oldest type of human race that still survives in the same environment from its origin about 150,000 years ago. Colder environments allow the brain to be more active, so those races that moved to colder environments evolved higher intelligence, and therefore became more likely to vote Tory.

      Its well known that the BBC exists as a way in which low IQ middle-class whites are able to preserve a middle-class status, in defiance of social mobility. These people vote Labour or Green.

      Its also known that the abolition of Grammar Schools and the introduction of progressive education has ended social mobility for highly intelligent working class people. These people vote Tory or UKIP.

      So the only possible solution to Blacks being less likely to vote Tory would be to introduce a IQ points based immigration policy.


      • Yasser Dasmibehbi says:

        As a non-Mensa member, I am also aware of the book “The Bell Curve”. Funny that, Richard, especially as I only have an IQ of 45. Not quite Mensa eligibility level eh? Whereas you, as you frequently remind us, have an IQ of 320 (if I remember correctly.) No doubt it gives you a headache just to talk down to my level.
        I read Charles Murray but found while I could accept his findings I could not go along with the gist of what he seemed to be saying overall. And that was high IQ equals good citizen low IQ bad citizen. A gross simplification perhaps but then we low IQ types tend to do that and it was a long time ago when I read it.
        As for an immigration policy based on IQ. I’m sure you jest.
        Besides do we really want massive numbers of Richard Dawkins type idiots flooding the country? And would we want the Tory Party in forever? Crikey Dick! We can’t get of Mrs May as it is.
        Looking at the current Tory party I have to ask why anyone with any brain would want to vote for them. (except to keep out others) and if they are the party of the intelligentsia then heaven help us all.
        Sorry Richard, but speaking as a Delta, I find myself unable to buy into your brave new world


        • scribblingscribe says:

          I am afraid Yasser, that I too am a MENSA member, or former one, so you can happily ignore my views.

          Charles Murray’s finding have been substantiated by every bit of research that followed it. So I suggest that if you have research that confounds his arguments you present it so it may be analysed.

          You said: “As for an immigration policy based on IQ. I’m sure you jest.”

          IQ has been growing in the West since measurements began, and now it is falling. The West gave you the industrial revolution, the end of slavery, wealth creation, freedom, democracy, free speech, Bach, DaVinci, the Renaissance, the Age of Reason, the Enlightenment, etc.

          Now we are importing people from areas of the world with a low IQ, where there is no concept of democracy, equal rights, or even a work culture.

          This is an uncomfortable discussion for us all. Impossible for the BBC/Guardian. But will these changes have an effect on the world? Can the world continue to develop if the areas that have created progress lack the IQ to continue the drive forward.

          Best not even discuss it, else you will be a racist, evil, hard right, right alt right, etc etc.


          • Yasser Dasmibehbi says:

            Scribbling Scribe, what a strange response! I don’t ignore views of people from Mensa. I enjoy reading them and often agree. I certainly like reading Richard Pinder’s letters on here and find them very informative and am in agreement with most of what he says. I especially like his understanding of the British Empire and only wish more of our Western intellectuals were more like him.
            You go on to list the achievements of the West, the folly of the immigration policies, the labeling of any criticism of bbc/guardian views as fascist. Look mate I’ve written enough on these columns to show anybody where I stand.
            It appears that you are really just upset that I have the audacity to disagree with a Mensa member!
            You also misinterpret my line “I’m sure you jest”. I was referring to the political realities of trying to get such a move through in today’s
            political climate. Face the reality!
            SS if you read what I wrote carefully, you will see that I said I accept Charles Murrays findings about the the bell curve. I just added a comment or two indicating that I do not agree with the stratifying of society by IQ in certain areas especially when it comes to behaviour. Low IQ people can fit in very well in society if they accept the rules.( Not that I think any immigration is needed to the UK.)
            And please realize that the right to free speech extends to low IQ people like myself.
            I am not against Mensa, never have been, but I must say after all this, next time your organisation is fundraising don’t expect me to buy from your cake stall.


            • scribblingscribe says:

              Gosh you are excitable. I am an ex member of the group that fascinates you so much.

              Those with low IQs are a problem for society, as blunt and difficult as it is to see that, or even admit it, it is nevertheless true. Criminals tend to be low IQ, not all for sure, but most.

              And immigrants with lower IQ are a future problem for society, so it is right to raise the question of intelligence at the point of entry.

              Again, if you question Murray’s research, which is backed up by others, then please furnish your own.


      • montmorency says:

        If I may say so any well-sourced and interesting post, of which there are many on this site, is of greater value than the author and stands on its own merits. May I gently suggest that the introduction of ‘As a …’ does suggest from the off that there is no debate to be had. There are many people here speaking from different points of view and experience, I enjoy reading them all. This is a tactic of the Left and the BBC to shut down debate because ‘they know better’, let’s not go there


    • David R says:

      “which could worsen in the long term” Did the BBC ask you to put that in? It is the usual BBC bias disguised as fact by not putting the opposite view. Perhaps that would not worsen as it is known that older people tend to vote conservative and the population subgroup mentioned have a rising average age.


  7. Rich says:

    Oh ffs.

    That fat parcel of piss and wind, or even pies and wine as spellcheck suggested, Stephen Nolan, has been named the UKs Best Breakfast Radio Presenter at the ‘Oscars of UK radio’. Oscars? In Leeds?

    How the hell does a gobshite like him win an award like this?

    Ah, the competition. Fellow bBBC blethers Rachel Burden, Nicky Campbell and Mishal, or mishap as was corrected for me, Husain.

    Says it all really.


  8. Doobster78 says:

    Enough is enough. Time for Donald Trump to do the Brexit negotiation on our behalf. If he could start today we could have it all wrapped up for Sunday evening.


  9. JamesArthur says:

    Brexit – border..NI..Food shortages…suppliers will miss the UK and ship to Ireland…FFS if it was that easy or cheaper they would be doing it already….how much trade actually goes via s Ireland through UK to Europe and vice versa..
    How long will the BBC keep pushing their project fear?

    Anyone get the Steve Coogan petition for second vote….not BBC related ..just another annoying rich pompous F…K who thinks he knows what’s best for democracy


    • Nibor says:

      Why dowe want trucks using our roads to transit yet barely cover the costs of the wear and tear and enforcement ?


    • David R says:

      No mention on the BBC of Starbucks’ move to London from Holland?


  10. Guest Who says:

    Bbc morning email ‘news’ from Justin, and he has curated a TGIF special…

    By Justin Parkinson

    Speed up petrol and diesel car ban, say MPs

    The government wants to ban the sale of new petrol and diesel cars by 2040, in an effort to reduce pollution. But MPs say the plan isn’t ambitious enough, and that the change must come eight years earli….

    Woah! Hit the brakes there, Justin. The bbc has been telling anyone still listening to it that car sales are suffering because of Brexit. As opposed to not being keen on buying something that may lose its lithium subsidy?


    Have you still got a local bank?


    Yes, several. Never use them. Or their ATMs. Aldi has cashback. Yet the bbc just keeps expanding despite fewer people watching. Go figure


    Big C podcast host wins posthumous award

    Award season.


    Harry and Meghan go barefoot on Bondi Beach


    Next… in the park? Over hot coals?


    I travelled 4,000 miles to find my dad

    I always had a nagging feeling that something in my life was unresolved. Nobody had seen my dad for 26 years. All I had were three decades-old photos, the year of his marriage to my mum, and his name from my birth certificate. The idea of trying to find a man I knew so little about seemed almost inconceivable.

    I was afraid of the emotional impact of discovering he was dead, or that he didn’t want to see me, or of simply not finding him. And I was angry with him.

    Read full article >

    Mim Shaikh


    Poor Mim. I hope Jeremy Corbyn gave up the seat he had decided on to use for a photo opp.


  11. Fedup2 says:

    Toady watch

    Rabbi Lord Sachs excelled his beeboid self on the ‘ lack of thought for the day spot’an anecdote about ‘lord of the flies’ and how we should all be nice to each other because we re not different at all – so no hate . He didn’t mention ‘sharia’ or suicide vests or raping English kids by organised groups .

    Shamefully shallow nonsense but to be expected from a fool beeboid .


    • JamesArthur says:

      I thought the same…funny how it is always pointed out that it’s hate against Muslims and Jews…implication is that it is us white British Christians – or maybe I am hyper sensitive 🙂 no mention of inter Muslim hate between colour hate….and if anyone is interested the study Robbers Cave he cited has been discredited by many psychologists for all sorts of reasons


    • R P McMurphy says:

      As Medhi Hassan admitted “antisemitsm, it’s their dirty little secret”.


    • Cassandra says:

      I heard Sachs’ Thought For Today’ this morning and I’m amazed that he and the BBC have absolutely no idea which ‘community’ is responsible is for the assaults on Jewish people.
      Oh yes, it’s fine to bleat about the hate crimes committed against Muslims but from which ‘community’ do the majority of people who are bombing, murdering, grooming, raping, honour killing, performing FGM, entering the country illegally marrying their first cousins and producing severely disabled children etc hail from?
      Look closely enough and I think you might just find a connection to the first paragraph of this post.2kgko2.jpg


      • Up2snuff says:

        Fed, James & Cassandra,
        I was so horrified at the start of Lord Sachs’ TftD that I switched off after the first 40/45 seconds.

        He obviously has had a sudden memory loss.

        The Scriptures are clear about a past leader’s clarion call: Joshua 24 v 14 & 15. “Choose you this day whom you will serve.” Does that not immediately create a distinct people grouping?

        So is the history of Israel & the Jews; a constant falling away, going after false gods, keeping the Law in re-arranged letters but not in the spirit (and Spirit!) of the Law. A cycle of failure & repentance and renewal, Divine rescue being a constant necessity.

        That TftD was worrying. Is worrying.

        Fed, I disagree that Lord Sachs is a ‘fool beeboid’. He has (or had) a fine mind and is also very familiar with the New Testament Scriptures and, IIRC, specialised in the Gospels when training. The worrying aspect for me is that he has started to sell out and buy into a god of this age, the multiculty thing. That is a backward step away from the God of his fathers. He needs to read those verses from Joshua today.


  12. Guest Who says:

    Eating their own.


  13. AsISeeIt says:

    BBC London News presenter Tolu Adeoye informs us that islamic terrorism preacher Anjem Choudary has been released from prison. [Have a nice day – as they say in the States] His conviction, she explains, was for “inviting support for Islamic State”. For a moment I wonder whether the diversity hire has fluffed her line – did she mean to say inciting support? I check BBC on line where home affairs correspondent Dominic Casciani uses the same word ‘inviting’. This unusual, innocent-sounding, far less-conspiritorial term has obviously been BBC-approved.

    In common English parlance, if I were to throw a barbeque party in my back garden I might invite guests.

    Whereas if I were to recruit for an anti-British terror state I think I might tend to incite.


    • Dystopian says:

      Yes Anjem Chouadry is out. But don’t worry our trusted “security services” will be watching him “very carefully”.
      Now let’s see. He’s a Muslim. Muslim women wear the niqab, a full body garment that completely hides their identity.
      I wonder how Anjem could give our “security services” the slip.
      Maybe a female visitor or two. The police sitting outside his house watch the “women” leave….
      FFS have they not seen the film Sister Act!


    • Englands Dreaming says:

      Well spotted.
      Its hard to imagine another country releasing such a man onto its streets. We are insane.


      • G.W.F. says:

        He probably went straight to the Home Secretary, Sajid Javid (peace be upon him) for further advice and support.


  14. theisland says:

    Every little helps.


    • jazznick1 says:

      Whenever I see this pic I automatically replace May with Corbyn and have the man handing an IMF Loan Application form to him


      • Fedup2 says:

        Labour are playing a very good game with the help of al beeb of letting the red tories take the rule stick ( rightfully ) for the brexit non – negotiations / capitulation .

        The less Corbyn / McDonnell is exposed to The MSM the better for Labour . He has become a “ brand” now so money tree ideas go unchallenged together with other hair brained socialist ideas .


  15. Sluff says:

    Do you laugh? Do you cry?
    At 0735 on Toady there is an interview with a countwr terrorism person. He discusses how social media glorifies people like Anjem Choudry, who he claims comes out top in a ‘Muslims in UK’ google search. He adescribes the adverse aspects of publicity.
    Fifteen minutes later, the presenter interrups the flow ‘ and news just coming in, Anjem Choudry has just been released’. Oh, the juxtaposition.
    The BBC. The mouthpiece for Islamic Fundamentalsim. Free mass advertising and propaganda included.


    • Fedup2 says:

      Which one does the creature go on first – Dimbleby senior or minor ? Or Toady ? Or an interview in The Mail ? Will he march as a remainer saturday ?

      Or maybe he ll get an invite to the Saudi Embassy ( don’t make any plans for the following day..).


      • Fedup2 says:

        Toady 2

        JRM and our Justin – no wonder the Far Left BBC hate interviewing JRM . He is just forensic in his reasoning – and beeboids don’t follow up on what he says because it is hard for shallow journos like Our Justin to challenge JRM – 3 minute interview . Why bother ?


        • Guest Who says:

          BBC decides to quote Baby Lee.

          All Singapore has is money, and it doesn’t seem to be making them as happy as some presume. Especially with HDB estates crammed with fast-tracked PRCs to ‘boost the economy’ but causing serious social unrest.

          As metaphors go…


    • fakenewswatcher says:

      Has anyone found out WHY he is being released NOW?


    • StewGreen says:

      Mark Rowley, former UK’s national lead for counter-terrorism policing, says media editors giving extremists like Anjem Choudary airtime “plays to what they’re looking for” #r4today

      He kept saying if you search British Muslims on Google : Anjem Choudaryis the top 5 results ..they are profiting from this .

      So he wants the internet censored
      … I know he makes out that so called “far right crime” is a s big a problem as “Islamist”..seems to me his agenda is to ban Tommy Robinson from the net.

      Douglas Murray coined the phrase “Rowleyism” – a perverse false equivalence trying to equate Islamist extremists, and people who criticise Islam, in order to smear the latter
      BUt on Newsnight MR said ‘I’m not saying they are the same level we stopped 14 attacks last year, 10 Islamist 4 far-right.’


      • StewGreen says:

        Mark Rowley has convinced the world that Anjem Choudary and Tommy Robinson are the same level

        In another BBC vid he says the same thing


        • StewGreen says:

          – Whilst hosting the Alex Jones show TR directly responded to that clip


          • pugnazious says:

            It’s true what Robinson says….look at the C4 interview where Farrell claims Robinson is radicalised…it’s the same narrative as started by the copper….


          • pugnazious says:

            Had to look this up…from 2011…guess they have now succumbed to the political pressure to balance their anti-terror drive and show it is not just targeted at Muslims…rightwing terror being the real threat…..

            ‘Adrian Tudway, National Co-ordinator for Domestic Extremism has written that “In terms of the position with EDL, the original stance stands, they are not extreme right wing as a group, indeed if you look at their published material on their web-site, they are actively moving away from the right and violence with their mission statement etc”, also writing they were a threat to community cohesion.’



      • StewGreen says:

        I did some more checking on the Rowley piece
        #1 R4Today’s tweet could have included the whole interview, but no it’s been edited to cut off the specifics
        ..Then underneath the first tweet and other try to push the false equivalence between Anjem and Tommy

        Someone has gone to a lot of time and effort to claim that BBC Newsnight promotes TR
        That’s the same level as KGB cyber teams who might interfere in Elections


      • StewGreen says:

        So I went straight to the R4Today full audio
        which has changed system so I can no longer do direct to minute links
        So you have to pull the slider to 1 hour 36 yourself
        “Anjem Choudary’s name come up #1 on Google
        for : British Muslim spokesman
        …and the 4 top Youtube videos are about him”
        *STOP* right there Rowley
        Look at those 10 videos
        On Google Video search is not 4 just 3
        – The first are 3 are all CRITICAL of him
        #4 is Everything You Need To Know About The “Happy British Muslims .”
        And the rest are positive to Muslims
        #8 has a dig at Tommy Robinson by malisciously editing footage of a Muslim headscarfed bus driver
        #10 has a dig at Gerard Batten

        I’ll just do a screen shot
        I highlight the fact that 5 of the 10 are from THE GUARDIAN
        and 2 are from THE INDEPENDENT
        ..that gives an indication of realworld Google-bias


        • StewGreen says:

          Screenshot of that search


  16. AsISeeIt says:

    This could be controversial. Thank you for your service and all that but I personally derive no pleasure whatsoever from the Invictus Games. Nor the wheelchair racing olympics. For those competing – good for you I’m pleased for you. For the audience – I question your motivation because it seems a bit condescending and virtue signalling to me. Similarly I laughed when a lefty-minded mate of mine claimed to enjoy watching women’s football.

    Of course the BBC are ramming it down our throats. Covering the launch of the event in their news and then their sport sections. BBC morning sofa dwellers claim to love the event. And then, lo and behold, it turns out the BBC have sent a crew out to sunny Sydney and, surpirse surprise, the BBC are ‘covering’ the games.


    • Fedup2 says:

      I understand the sentiment and – yes- there is a lot of virtue signalling . I don’t have physical disabilities ( yet) so it’s tricky to comment .

      Anything which helps people who have lost body parts whilst serving their country deserves support – as does those who don’t take part and have mental scares – same with the relatives of those killed by those wars .
      But it barely makes up for the pain and suffering caused by politicians sending underequipped soldiers into wars which were none of our business and from which Blighty gained nothing apart from a bill to the taxpayer .

      On the upside – whilst President Trump stops the US from playing ‘world policeman’ neither the Americans or Blighty ‘s military will have unnecessary losses


    • Sluff says:

      Not controversial to me. Spot on.
      I have huge admiration for Invictus participants, and some Paralympians. Overcoming disability. Creating a purpose and ambition. In fact, this Summer descending from high altitude I came across a guy with a prosthetic leg going up. I just gave him a clap and said ‘Bravo’.
      But it is not the same as able bodied people breaking world records. It is much less competitive (any idea of the % of wheelchair users of working age? Fractions of 1%).
      But it is all music to the ears of diversity and equality obsessives.
      A local school felt compelled to put in a lift to the first floor for wheelchair users- you know, all those disabled children we see all the time. Cost? £200k. Usage? Nil. Money not available for anything else educational? £200k.
      The cost of disability equality is disproprtionately high for the population as a whole.


      • Fedup2 says:

        On disability
        I worked for an organisation where a lady doing a basic admin job had her own parking space for her converted car.
        The office – in Westminster – joked that the parking space value was many times more than what this lady could ever earn . Bit nasty but reality .


  17. Navets says:

    Good morning

    Did anyone else have a problem getting on to this site from yesterday teatime onwards? The 522 error message indicated some kind of server error.


    • Fedup2 says:

      Navets- yes – the server thingy went down but emails were sent and complaints were made …

      When I saw it the first thought was

      British state

      But apparently it was just techy.

      I wrote in big CAPITALS last night looking for options should the site be attacked and down longer …..


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  19. vlad says:

    The Islamic terrorism-friendly Beebistan calls Anjem Choudary a “Radical Preacher”.
    I can think of other epithets, unfortunately unprintable in a family-blog such as this.
    Rhymes with Murderous C*nt.
    We shall now spend millions ‘monitoring’ and protecting the vermin.
    I propose the bill be sent to the muslim Council of Britain. Or shared with the bbc, which would hasten their demise, not a minute too soon.
    (Six feet of rope would be so much cheaper.)


  20. StewGreen says:

    Woman’s Hour is giving tribute to a dead female MP
    … Make a guess : socialist or non-socialist ?


  21. StewGreen says:

    Adrian Chiles R5 just now
    “We are going to play this Question Time clip with no comment or agenda from us, then we’ll go straight into the news, Here’s Nish Kumar”
    Clip “Yeh all the leaders of Brexit have fled the scene : Farage is a MORON, ..Boris is blah blah… complete mess ”
    cue rapturous applause.

    Kumar must know he can’t just appear on TV and throw words like moron about against people who are not there to defend themselves.


    • Thatcherrevolutionary says:

      That little ant-British shite was on QT earlier this year.

      What does he bring to the table for a ‘political’ show?

      Fuck off to last leg or HIGNFY etc


      • StewGreen says:

        QT fits under the BBC comedy umbrella
        It’s full of clowns
        has a ringmaster
        and is a satire of reality.

        R4 Trailer now : reflections on Britain ..featured Adrian Chiles
        “Most British Muslim can’t go to the pub that’s where the sweetshop comes in”


    • Banania says:

      Kumar was a complete waste of space on the programme. Why was he there?


  22. MarkyMark says:

    War of the Worlds … swap aliens for Islamic ideology?

    “No-one would have believed, in the last years of the 21st century, that human affairs were being watched from the timeless worlds of Mecca. No-one could have dreamed that we were being scrutinized, as someone with a microscope studies creatures that swarm and multiply in a drop of water. Few men even considered the possibility of life in the Middle East. And yet, across the gulf of sands, minds immeasurably inferior to ours regarded this Western Technology with envious eyes, and slowly and surely, they drew their plans against us…”


  23. MarkyMark says:

    Our land is one. Our War is one. Our Peace is one. Our honour is one.

    “… they may say one thing to you in front of CNN, but I can assure you behind your backs in every Masjid* (Mosque) and Community Centre. They are standing with their Muslim brothers and sisters saying ‘we hope the Americans and British are pushed out of countries and we can implement the Sharia’. This is an Islamic obligation for us to support our brothers around the world. Our land is one. Our War is one. Our Peace is one. Our honour is one.” – Anjem Choudary {youtube oct2010}

    Our land is one. Our War is one. Our Peace is one. Our honour is one.


    • Colboysigma says:

      Hmmmm. Is it just me or does this sound a bit like EIN VOLK, EIN REICH, EIN FUHRER?


  24. Celtic_Mist says:

    I wonder how much longer ‘Woman’s Hour’ can survive before the ‘gender police’ have it’s name changed? Apparently there are at least six genders now, and fairness would demand a slot for each!


    • fakenewswatcher says:

      I think the beeb want PC enforced on everyone else. Doubt that they’d see themselves as subject to it…


    • Terminal Moraine says:

      The Netherlands issues the first gender neutral passport today.

      —”Leonne Zeegers, from Breda, will receive a document with an ‘X’ in the place where an initial representing male or female would normally be. The initial is to symbolise that the Dutch courts have recognised Zeegers’ rights as an ‘intergender’ person, who feels neither male nor female.”

      I look forward to hearing Anjem Choudary discuss what this means for European Mosques on Loose Women (Decadent Persons? Slack Hominids?) soon.


  25. smoogie7 says:

    From the express:

    ‘Enormous progress made!’ Jeremy Hunt praises Theresa May for ‘TOUGH’ stance on Brexit

    ‘JEREMY Hunt claimed “enormous progress” was made on the Brexit withdrawal deal because Theresa May has refused to budge and renounce her principles of keeping the UK united.’

    From the BBC:

    ‘Jeremy Hunt has urged Tory MPs to get behind Theresa May – amid a backlash against suggestions the Brexit transition period could be extended.

    The foreign secretary said the “great strength” of other EU nations was that they had stayed united in the talks – and he urged Tories to do the same.

    The PM had to “maximise her negotiating leverage in Brussels,” he added.

    Scottish Secretary David Mundell has raised concerns about a longer transition period with No 10.

    He is said to be concerned it could mean the UK staying in the EU’s Common Fisheries Policy beyond 2020.

    Source close to Mr Mundell said the idea of an extension was “vague” and “unexplored”.

    And former Conservative leader Iain Duncan Smith said it would see the UK paying the EU “tens of billions” more.’


    Same story just worded differently? The BBC seemed to have left a bit of it out. The bit about ‘progress’ having been made? Have we actually made progress? Then again the BBC don’t like positive news do they?

    I am still not sure what is going on but there is now talks of David Davis possible taking over according to other sources.

    Interesting few weeks ahead and needless to say that the BBC would make things as hard as possible for everyone involved.


  26. pugnazious says:

    Just catching up with The Economist’s liberal angst and their apparent mea culpa as they admit that Liberalism has failed….or do they? People have been praising The Economist for editor Zanny Minton Beddoes’ ‘mea culpa’ article….‘Reinventing liberalism for the 21st century’….but was it in fact a war-cry, a call to arms? [Check out Douglas Murray’s review of Beddoes in The Spectator as he describes the meeting of two very different worlds….‘The Economist’s editor-in-chief is the epitome of a certain hectoring Davos type. From the moment she kicks off her interview she is as sharply rude as possible to her guest, making it clear to her audience from the get-go that her attitude towards Bannon is akin to that of someone who, having trodden in excrement, must perforce adopt some attitude towards its removal.’]

    Others who stand with The Economist’s worldview reveal the truth about Beddoes’ real stance….

    ‘The Economist is positioning itself as a bulwark against a rising tide of populism and authoritarianism around the world with the launch of its ‘Open Future’ initiative and restating its founding principles.’

    So far from admitting it is on the wrong side of history being the mouthpiece for ‘Davos Man’ The Economist is doubling down and is aiming to do all it can to make sure its Liberal worldview remains the dominant one and that those who seek to redress the balance more in favour of ‘the people’ are silenced and marginalised. Their grand vision is to be forced upon the world via their ‘Open Future’ project which is there to pump out the global elites’ propaganda, in collaboration with the Far-Left, urging mass immigration, open borders, end of the nation state and globalisation. Odd that capitalists and communists join forces? No, Lenin admitted Communism needed Capitalism to make the money, but Capitalism needs, or wants, the structure of a Communist world…internationalism, no borders, free movement anywhere in the ‘bloc’ so that it can exploit, ironically, the workers and move work to where it is cheaper or move cheap workers to the work.

    The ‘no borders’ world of the BBC and The Economist is in line with Communist thinking.

    Beddoes’ article is couched in terms you may well be familiar with as she ‘shouts down’ those who want to counter her world view…they are dismissed as ‘Populists’ [fascists], racists, anti-semites and authoritarians who stir up the population with simple solutions and dog-whistle rhetoric….remarkably Beddoes also manages to slip in slurs about white people and males. So BBC.

    Here’s the proof she doesn’t get the problem….

    ‘It is worth remembering just how fruitful those positions have been. The core liberal causes of individual freedom, free trade and free markets have been the most powerful engine for creating prosperity in all history.’

    Globalisation, open borders, free movement of workers and work….she doesn’t see any problem, and is it true that prosperity is the result of such things anyway? And what of the downsides as industry in the West is shipped abroad and only those industries that can’t go abroad such as agriculture and healthcare bring in the vast majority of the workers, low paid and unwilling to integrate which results in ghettoisation and conflict?

    In her neo-liberal manifesto Beddoes lays out her principles…

    ‘So be it. Liberalism has succeeded by serially reinventing itself while staying true to what Edmund Fawcett, a former journalist at this newspaper, identifies in his excellent history of the subject as four key elements. The first is that society is a place of conflict and that it will and should remain so; in the right political environment, this conflict produces competition and fruitful argument. The second is that society is thus dynamic; it can get better, and liberals should work to bring such improvement about. The third is a distrust of power, particularly concentrated power. The fourth is an insistence, in the face of all power, on equal civic respect for the individual and thus the importance of personal, political and property rights.’

    Read those four ‘key elements’ that she says define liberal values. Read them carefully and then try and apply them to what she actually says and does. Do they in any way match? Does she want ‘conflict’ that results in competition and fruitful argument? No, this article is in fact the very opposite of that using language and powerful imagery to demonise those she doesn’t agree with and thus, she hopes, silence and discredit and end all challenge to her worldview. She doesn’t want debate, discussion or argument just the firm smack of a muscular ‘liberal’ takedown. Second and connected to the first a society must be dynamic. Clearly she doesn’t want that preferring to shout down those who look to change politics and of course to implement the biggest change of all…Brexit. Dynamism or the status quo with her and her ilk in charge? Her third key element…the distrust of power…as she utilises the power of The Economist and the Establishment to try and crush ‘dissenting’ voices, she is the very epitome of that power. And finally ‘ in the face of all power, on equal civic respect for the individual and thus the importance of personal, political and property rights.’…this from a woman who clearly has not one iota of respect for the individual, for their personal and political rights…if you vote for Brexit you’re a racist bigot who doesn’t understand what is going on.

    Zanny Minton Beddoes does not in any shape or form conform to her own self-professed values of liberalism.

    Watch her ‘interview’ with Steve Bannon. It is more an interview with herself, Bannon almost need not be there. Beddoes throws up some abuse at him, makes a statement about him, about his political bedfellows and his narrative, proceeds to then answer her own question, shouting down Bannon, then makes a definitive judgemental statement at the end and rapidly closes down that ‘question’ not allowing Bannon time and space to actually articulate his views and ideas.

    Contrast that with her interview with David Miliband which followed straight after the Bannon one. Again not really an interview, but for different reasons, as Miliband was allowed to get away with long rants about Bannon and the Right uninterrupted. Beddoes, to be fair, when she did ask a question, asked ones that were challenging but she didn’t press them as Miliband ducked and dived to avoid answers.

    Miliband launched into a vicious tirade against Bannon and people who follow his path and claimed that Bannon has ‘absolutely no answers’ to the problems he identifies. That just isn’t true of course, it’s just that Miliband doesn’t like the answers. Watch on though and Beddoes challenges Miliband for his own answers….he doesn’t have any, he claims he’s not a politician but strikingly claims that ‘we’ must ensure that ‘our politics of answers’ beats Bannon’s ‘politics of poison and grievance’….whist at the same time admitting that Bannon ‘quite rightly identifies the problems’….Miliband goes on…’we must take very seriously the grievances, the inequalities, the insecurities that he is highlighting’.

    How then is Bannon peddling politics of poison and grievance when he has correctly identified the real problems, problems which he admits are so serious that they are fracturing the very heart of our society in all directions?

    Miliband deliberately misquotes or rather deliberately misleads people as to what Bannon meant when he said “Let them call you racists, Let them call you xenophobes. Let them call you nativists. Wear it as a badge of honor.” That apparently ‘sent a chill’ down Miliband’s spine. What Miliband fails to say is that Bannon was raising the issue that is amply illustrated ironically enough by Miliband in this interview…that anyone who talks about immigration or national sovereignty are instantly labelled racists and Nazis by the Left….as done by Beddoes and Miliband here. Case proven. Miliband hung by his own petard but he still manages to link Brexit to Bannon and fascism and claims that Brexit will plague the UK for the next 30 years due to the social, economic and political damage that it will wreak.

    Beddoes then challenges Miliband to lay out his solutions to restoring the liberal dominance or as she puts it ‘to restore the faith in open markets and free society’. Miliband says there are serious fractures in our society….the economic, cultural and political ‘contracts’ have been broken, ie the liberal, cheerleaders of rampant globalisation, elites have betrayed the people….and yet he wants more globalisation, more centralisation of power, more world government…unaccountable and uncontrollable….much as the answer to Islamist terrorism is to let Muslims have more freedom to follow their religion and to impose that upon the rest of us…just as the Islamists want. Hair of the dog…drink more to sober up!

    Beddoes notes he is raising questions he doesn’t have answers for…he waffles…let’s get the questions right and the route forward…but you’re not going to have answers. So he has no answers whilst vilifying Bannon for allegedly having no answers when in fact Bannon has put forward many solutions. Oh, and the idea that ‘we’ [the Left] are in favour of unlimited illegal immigration is a ‘complete lie’. Trouble is it’s not is it? It’s the truth as illegal immigration is dressed up as legal immigration or asylum seeking as economic migrants are being classed as asylum seekers by the BBC et al.

    Miliband claims Bannon doesn’t want cooperation between nations…but that is totally wrong. He doesn’t want a United States of Europe, he wants a loose federation of sovereign states that do cooperate but are also capable of looking after their own national interests rather than have the EU decide for them. Miliband puts in a plea for more centralised control by the EU, the problem is there is too little ‘cooperation’, the UN needs far more power over nation states, there isn’t enough global government.

    Miliband later tells us the real problem with the world today is the increasing number of civil wars and the fact that so many do not involve ‘state actors’ so that there can be no real peace process.

    Of course it is his very own policies on immigration, unlimited immigration and open borders, that will ironically turn Europe into a war zone as competing racial and religious groups become stronger and start to use force and violence to make their group the dominant one…it is already in progress now across Europe….don’t believe my words believe the words of the outgoing French Minister of the Interior, Gérard Collomb as he explained that France had to ”reconquer the Republic”………

    ‘He parted with a message that should cause his successor a few sleepless nights.

    Explaining that he had toured the inner cities of Marseille, Toulouse and Paris, Collomb said:

    “The situation is very difficult and the phrase ‘Reconquering the Republic” is apt because in these districts it’s the law of the strongest that reigns, that of the drug dealers and radical Islamists, which has supplanted the Republic.”

    He ended his farewell by expressing his anxiety that if something is not done today then tomorrow France will be faced with “immense problems”. He elaborated on what those problems will be in one of his last interviews, with the weekly magazine L’Express. Asked if he shared the fear of the head of France’s equivalent of MI5 that a civil war was a real risk, Collomb said:

    “You always have that risk…it’s not a fantasy, even if I don’t like using the term ‘civil war’.”

    Beddoes’s article was, as said, nothing less than a liberal call to arms to rally the troops to defend the entrenched interests of the liberal elite. The two interviews just confirmed that attitude and provided a perfect glimpse into the mindset of those who rule us…for now.


    • StewGreen says:

      The Zanny Minton Beddoes lecture to her audience of ONE (just Steve Bannon)
      … relies heavily on the rhetorical trick of misrepresentation ala Cathy Newman style
      The Economist left comments open on YouTube
      Of course comments are overwhelmingly against her
      #1 Louis Rossmann
      “So much interrupting. This interviewer sucks.”


      • pugnazious says:

        Yep, think that sums up the interview pretty well.. Funny to watch a striking blond, aristocratic, authoritarian German lecture Bannon on fascism.

        No chance for Bannon to respond to Miliband’s attack smears….would have been interesting to see the two face off.


        • Up2snuff says:

          pug, think you forgot two adjectives, no, make that three ‘pinched, harpy and screaming’.

          I had to knock the sound levels back a notch or two just to watch that through.


      • G says:

        I watched all of the video with objective interest expecting the worst. In fact, it was a refreshing balanced ‘debate’ (rather than, interview) in which Bannon answered the questions very well. He held his position with authority. Pity he was unable to reverse the questions and debate the woman on her, ‘Davos Party’. Bravo! Mr Bannon, I hope your work in the EU goes well. (but I suspect he’s pushing against an open door the way the political landscape is changing so quickly).
        The way things are moving in Europe since June 2016, given maybe 3/4 years and this EU will not exist in the current form. I’ts waning rapidly.


        • Banania says:

          Bannon did well to keep his temper. He stayed good-humoured throughout, even though inwardly he may have been seething.


    • StewGreen says:

      Like you said Douglas Murray took the Economist apart on this
      Well her name is Zany


  27. smoogie7 says:

    Davis is growing on me:

    ‘BBC BLASTED: David Davis furious at plans to cut free TV licenses for elderly

    DAVID Davis has slammed the BBC over plans to axe free TV licences for over-75s.’

    ‘But a BBC-commissioned paper said the concession is “no longer justified” as over-75s wealth had “improved significantly”.’

    Have the BBC jus admitted that the country is actually better off as a result of the austerity that they are obsessed about?

    ‘Mr Davis blasted the BBC for paying lavish salaries while planning to cut the free licences.’

    He could win an election on that above line!

    Time for the BBC to get a taste of their own medicine. Get rid of trouble makers like Kassenburg as well!


  28. pugnazious says:

    This recording shows how the demonisation of Tommy Robinson has been so effective and how the Establishment, not without a little help from the BBC et al, have been able to make Robinson and his views too toxic to touch, too poisonous to be associated with in any way lest you too become labelled the same way…..

    This is a Major Farley of 3 Yorks giving his troops a dressing down and a gypsy’s warning about any further contact with Robinson and his campaign.

    He states….

    ‘I will not be fucking associated with people like that….I take it as a personal affront to be associated with people like that…we fight the Queen’s enemies all around the globe, we fight people who oppress other people’s freedom of speech and thought because they’ve got a narrow view of what the world should look like…this cunt, that is exactly what he does!’

    Can’t really make that up could you? Here’s someone venomously denying his troops and Robinson the right to free speech and thought but claims he has fought around the world to defend such rights. So to criticise Islam is now practically a criminal offence that will get you sacked from the Army? This the Army, and Farley has been to Afghanistan, which has been killing Muslims precisely because they are Muslim and want to follow their religion in their own country. Farley kills Muslims because they follow that religion but he goes ballistic about Tommy Robinson who merely voices his criticism back in the UK? Seems something wrong there. But as I say this is politics and a perfect illustration of how Tommy Robinson, professing views that are perfectly rational has been made toxic.

    Here’s another example of the hypocrisy…the BBC’s Catrin Nye attacking Marie Waters for her anti-Sharia views and criticism of Islam and calling her an Islamophobe with dangerous views but then goes on to talk to a ‘radical’ Islamist and denounce his views which…are..based…upon….Islam. How is it OK for the BBC to criticise Islam but not Marie Waters? Then again of course the BBC doesn’t want you to know the views expressed by the radical are ‘islamic’…they portray them as distortions of the real religion when of course they are the actual teachings of the religion…..


    • Terminal Moraine says:

      Pugnazious thanks for posting.

      Watch at 3:18 as Walters says “what we want to do is shut down Sharia councils…”

      Catrin Nye (the same Catrin Nye whose beeb profile states “my specialism is Britain’s diverse communities”) has a jaw drop that says more about the BBC and our progressive media in 2 secs than all the years of faux-debate ever could.


  29. Guest Who says:

    In other news…

    Not sure John Prescott using the desktop assessment method will win many converts, even within the BBC.

    Still, the BBC are always hiring. If seldom working.

    “More editors, more editors… my kingdom for more editors of obscure or bonkers new platforms!”

    Too big too fail may be pushing its luck.


  30. pugnazious says:

    The BBC is absolutely certain it knows what will happen #duetobrexit and if it doesn’t it is quite happy to make it up or use the material freely available in the ‘Project Fear’ file…only this morning telling us that the ports will close and we will starve as supermarket shelves are stripped bare and not restocked #duetobrexit. Apparently it is now a done deal that we will have an extension to the transition period and that we will have a customs check point across the Irish Sea…the BBC reports these things as ‘almost fact’ in a way that makes you believe nothing else is possible….so just accept it.

    Others are more honest…such as Iain Dale…

    ‘On Tuesday afternoon, I spent a few hours in Portcullis House interviewing various MPs for an article I’m writing for a national newspaper. I lost count of the times I was asked: “So, what do you think is going to happen?” I then lost count of the number of times I shrugged. Robert Peston and I agree that the whole political commentariat class has become a bit of a fraud.

    Why? Because we are paid to offer our interpretation of events and predict what is going to happen, and frankly none of us have a Scooby Doo. Sometimes I feel I should donate any broadcasting or writing fees to charity. The moment soon passes, since I still have two dogs to feed, but never in my whole time as a commentator have I felt so uncertain as to what will happen next. And I don’t think I’m alone.’


    • Guest Who says:

      So, impartial roving reporter for bbc Newsnight didn’t work out, and anything EU looking iffy… therefore…


  31. Guest Who says:

    He seems the bbc’s kind of g… person.

    Owen Jones is toast now.


  32. Fedup2 says:

    The trial about which TR was campaigning has ended and the ‘no publicity’ order has been lifted – judge Mardon? The one who gave TR a 13 month death sentence said the case was at ‘the worse end of such cases’

    Raped 11 year old girls using a plastic bag as a condom apparently …. all sentenced to time in a Muslim prison .


  33. nogginator says:
    BBC News, 20 erm, “men” again … yep, yet another racist, Islamic child rape gang.
    The same MO from our shameful judiciary, reporting restrictions
    so damage limitation to just one day is in full effect.
    The news reports on Al BBC radio had no mention of the I word
    at all, they picture a Sikh on its site, (the other 19 don’t get name mentioned?) … Drive has just started so possibly more will be forthcoming.
    It is utterly sickening
    Can you imagine the news outcry if these country wide, industrial scale racist, paedophile gang rapes were committed by our white population, on any Islamic children?

    Its still going on … unbelievably,the BBC is trying to dress itself as some kind of news hero???, saying that they got the restrictions lifted.

    scrap the BBC, do it now.


  34. Peter Grimes says:

    Mark Easton, one of the principal culprits as a senior Al Beeb news editor, currently on the 10pm news telling us what the public knew years ago, that men of mainly Pakistani origin had been grooming and raping young white girls with impunity.

    Totally shameless!


    • ID says:

      Peter Grimes
      Yes, I caught some of his nauseatingly pious piffle. Several years ago, pre-Saville, one of those tiresome BBC self-blurbs was “The BBC -possibly the best investigative journalists in the world”. I think Jeremy Bowen also featured, gurning smugly The main function of the BBC now seems to be convincing the masses that “It’s nothing to do will Islam”. C4 was also showcasing the Sikhoid as the leader, while completely ignoring the 19 other personages of “Pakistani heritage”.


  35. scribblingscribe says:

    Listened to first 20 minutes of PM, the first time since Eddie Mair moved on.

    In all the discussion about the rapes of children not once was the Muslim or Islam word used. Though I felt some of the interviewees were edging towards it.

    I am sickened that Hindus, Christian, Buddhist and Sikh Asians are tarred so despicably the BBC. They should complain, they will have support from most people in this country.

    Barry Sheerman mentioned his disappointment in the BBC not following up on his disclosures about Muslim gangs some ten years previously. His comment was left to hang in the air.