388 Responses to General Election Thread 12 December 2019

  1. Beltane says:

    Despite continued efforts to wish things otherwise – Ken Loach is currently on ITV, blaming ‘the vitriolic attacks on Jeremy…..’ – the MSM at some point will have to accept two simple realities:
    1) The British people really, really DO want to leave the EU and they DID know what they were voting for in 2016.
    2) Momentum are wind and piss. Relying on the feckless and self-indulgent uni population – with their time-wasting ‘degree courses’ in absurd and meaningless subjects – is not a recipe for success. Nor has it ever been, but political arrogance tends to overlook such basic truths.

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  2. BRISSLES says:

    The end of Momentum ????

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Monitoring al beeb output it looks as though they are pivoting to their new anti Conservative hero – crankie . Screw the 50 million plus in the UK who don’t matter – it’s all about the Scottish national socialists .

      Being English – I think we can live without either Scotland or Northern Ireland and if they want to make their way without tax subsidy from the rest of the UK – farewell and good luck being part of the EUreich – with the Euro et al .

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      • Vonbedda says:

        It always made me laugh, when scottish independence is so sort after by the scots, but they also need subsidies from the UK to survive.

        EU have already said they won’t be admitted, they can’t afford another sponging nation, specially after losing the UK from the pot.

        so im happy to let the scottish people decide there own future, but as we are doing with the UK, they have to accept the consequences.

        They can’t keep the pound
        They will have to buy themselves out of the NHS project and build their own.

        it would create some jobs in the building industry and Trump will have a hardon over the world we will build for the scots lol KIDDING

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        • Charlie Farley says:

          Vonbedda .
          Wee crankie will never admit she needs Westminster to fund Scotland……as you say the EU won’t want to support another deadbeat country . Fantastic result with all those non biased BBC jounos with total look of shock ! , slapped arsed faces all round !

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    • Fedup2 says:

      It will be interesting if abnormal postal voting is detected after the celebrations have died down . Peterborough has returned to conservatives but I wonder about elsewhere . ID at voting needs to be used next time too .

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      • cromwell says:

        Fedup.. something needs to be sorted about Id and make it the law to show ut. Yesterday I went to vote in polling stn. I gave my polling card and asked if they wanted my driving licence or bus pass both with my pic on. I was told that they didn’t need to see it as I had the card but was informed even if I hadn’t come with the card they would,d have let me vote anyway. This is not right, we either show I’d or not. My area is not inner city but I suppose this attitude prevails there especially when the polling stn is run with retired head teachers who would be intimidated by momentum types. We must have a law that everyone must follow whether you have a card or not. Simples!

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        • Cooper_Man says:

          I agree that ID at polling stations should be mandatory. Yesterday I turned up at mine without my polling card or ID and gave my address. Once the election official had found it in their sheets of papers and put a ruler under the address and asked for my name, I simply said the upside down name as it was written on the paper – I could’ve been anyone! Thankfully in my seat of Peterborough, the dubious by-election result of six months ago was overturned and we now have a Conservative MP this time around, but next time – who knows?

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  3. Right Angle says:

    Will BoJo boot the BBC telly tax into oblivion? Here’s hoping!:

    Blatantly Biased Corporation
    Going, Going, Gone!

    Boris Bashing Corporation
    Going, Going, Gone!

    Brexit Bashing Corporation
    Going, Going, Gone!

    Big Bullying Corporation
    Going, Going, Gone!

    Beyond Belief Claptrap
    Going, Going, Gone!

    And all together now:
    “BEGONE, BIASED CORPORATION!”

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    • Fedup2 says:

      World at one

      Comrade Toynbee moaning that Nigel Farage is on the BBC too much . Pot kettle ? Which one runs a Party ? Which one is an elected politician ,

      As usual no challenge . Somethings don’t change .

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      • Up2snuff says:

        Fed, just popped in here to ask – do we still want to put up Op Ed pieces at the head of special, on-off, Threads? Or has Site Policy changed on that?

        The good news is, if so, that I have one ready. The bad news is that it is about 550 words long! 🙁

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  4. Beltane says:

    The balance of the panel for the next QT will be….interesting.

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    • Vonbedda says:

      The balance, the BBC don’t know what BALANCE means. so it won’t be interesting, it will be captivating to see if they are standing there ground by still supporting a remain agenda or if they will finally find some common ground panelists for all

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  5. Beltane says:

    The balance of the panel for the next QT will be….interesting.

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  6. vlad says:

    Can Lily Boo-Hoo Allen get any more nauseating?

    “Lily Allen accuses Brits of voting for ‘kids to die… and less brown people.”

    As Piers Morgan delicately put it: “I think I speak for Britain when I say if @lilyallen doesn’t like it here, why doesn’t she f*** off?”

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10544592/lily-allen-brits-voting-boris-johnson/

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  7. Doobster78 says:

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    • Thoughtful says:

      DO you know who I am?

      No but if you ask that man in the white coat he’ll tell you !

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  8. vlad says:

    Boo-hoo, look how much I care…

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  9. Beltane says:

    A repetitive aspect of recent politics is ‘Our NHS’ – and yet Labour’s shameless attempts to divide and rule by first defining it as ‘ours’ and then using it politically has obviously failed. Despite this though, our level of public focus is, paradoxically yet fundamentally, unhealthy.
    Just like the civilisations of the Egyptians and the Incas, whose whole infrastructures became obsessed with death until their literal collapse under the weight of its negativity, our politically driven obsession with the NHS has become based not on health but on sickness, on care not cure – a sad reality which is distinctly and intrinsically unhealthy for any society.
    Another major change for you there Boris.

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    • Idiotboy says:

      The use of “our” in the context of the NHS was a Labour trope which was introduced early in the campaign. It drove me nearly insane. I think if I heard the gobby but clueless Angela Rayner use the term again I would consider homicide as a legitimate political tool.

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    • Beltane says:

      Mr Morgan makes a lot of sense and puts an entirely justified boot in on arseholes like Grant and Coogan, but we shouldn’t overlook the part the EU have played throughout.
      Their behaviour follows an entirely predictable pattern. Referenda in France, Denmark, Holland and Ireland were all re-run until the ‘correct’ decision was reached, all flouting the same democracy exhibited by our 17.5m and all ignored with an arrogance every bit as specious as that of Linaker and his ilk – just better organised.
      What remains shameful are the three and more years wasted by May and exacerbated by MIller, Grieve, Soubry, Hesletine, Bercow, the ‘Supreme Court’ and all the other by-blows and political has-beens, whose efforts should have been seen for what they were from the outset – following the lines set out by the EU with an established agenda to guide them.

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  10. Sluff says:

    An unintended but revealing speech from the Dear Leader Jezza.

    He explains the next steps. Discussions with colleagues. Meetings with the NEC. Carrying out the proper processes.

    This is an example of classic state socialism as shown by the NHS and other institutions.
    In that what matters is production and the producers (in this case labour party apparatchiks) and not the consumers ( in this case voters).

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  11. StewGreen says:

    R4 drama opens
    Refugee voice “I realise now the UK is not an open place, back home you can just drop in, but in the UK you have to phone first”
    .. “In the UK people don’t care about each other … if there is a fight in the street people just get out their phones and video it”

    FFS such uncontexted simple narratives are FakeNews

    e.g. There are quite a few people I know that I can just drop in on any time. I do it 6 times/week
    Others I’d always text/email first

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    • StewGreen says:

      The drama just ended with a French character giving a lecture about how English people are arrogant and don’t speak any French in France.

      … Doh. of course loads of us speak French if we’ve had some practice and there is another proportion that don’t speak any cos they’ve never practiced. His generalisation was pure racism.

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      • Fedup2 says:

        Wow – I didn’t know people still listen to those ‘dramas’ ? 45 minutes of embarrassing propaganda with the approved social message attached …
        Wonder if they’ll do one about a bloke staying up all night on election night enjoying the demise of the communist party . ? .

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        • JamesArthur says:

          Stew /Fedup
          I switched on to R4 while driving between 2 and 3 and each time all I heard was a non English person talking about how Syria or Sudan was their home (despite living in Europe) or some other (must have been French) banging on as you say..
          What is it with the BBC and R4 that every play or short story has to have 1. Refugee 2. Foreign born person who are always so much better kinder than the Brits 3. thick racist English man..
          No wonder their listening figures are dropping – bit like the Labour vote

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        • cromwell says:

          Ha ha love that. Me too.

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  12. Sluff says:

    BBC website mini headline
    ‘Swinson hints at female successor’.(could this be a hate crime).
    And I’ve heard various comments that Jezza’s successor should be a woman (Thornberry, Raynor, Philips).

    In other words iwhat matters most is not your capability but your sex.

    A weird concept of equality, where ‘Men need not apply’.

    Welcome to left liberal la la land.

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Jess or angie please . Quality blubbing .
      I take it Diane Abbott , Lammy dawn butler and the like have submerged … .

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    • Ian Rushlow says:

      Or at least someone who self-identifies as a woman? Various rumours that the LibDems received some serious money to promote a revised Gender Recognition Act and transgenderism, hence Swinson’s comments on Toady on 9th December to the effect that she doesn’t know if women and men exist ‘because she is not a scientist’.

      #LibDemBiologyDeniers

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  13. StewGreen says:

    Them medialand people, they are so much smarter than us.
    This is the top of yesterday’s Scunthorpe Evening Telegraph
    … yes 12th of *December*

    …. quality proofreading there.
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  14. Lucy Pevensey says:

    Someone tells me Sajid Javid was on the box this morning saying that WTO is off the table. Can anyone confirm this?

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  15. pertelote says:

    Princess Emily..aka “mateless” (no wonder!)..with Lammy on AlBibi..”you’ve never even been an effective opposition to this lot”.

    “THIS LOT”..the Tories..you cheeky bint! Delusions of grandeur Emily..or should that be delusions of adequacy?!!

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  16. Nibor says:

    Now Labour , decide if you are

    The party of the workers
    Or
    The party of university lecturers , senior civil servants , charity bosses , NALGOs and other troughers ?

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  17. Thoughtful says:

    CNN isn’t supported by a licence fee and is avowedly anti Trump and far Left. It appeals to New Yorkers and Californians and the USA is a big enough country to support multiple single interest broadcasters. The UK is nothing like the size, plus the BBC in being allowed to rely on unwatchable crap leftist output is not preparing itself for market launch

    Sky offers broadband and phone services alongside several pay per view package options, the BBC has a take it attitude it doesn’t even have a take it or leave it attitude!

    If it isn’t privatised soon, it will have gone past the point where it can be.
    It’s a little like the Callaghan / Wilson government which propped up industries way past the point where they should have died a natural death.

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  18. Terminal Moraine says:

    Is the penny dropping for some? Deep reflection… lessons learned… even Owen Jones is pausing for thought, trying to make sense of it all. Will he get there? Meanwhile Ash Sarkar and Novara Media want to take the fight to the entire media establishment (p.s. please give us some money to do that). And there’s always Carole Cadwalladr to keep on fighting the good fight…

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    • Dystopian says:

      “ f**k that sh*t” ?
      Has she been listening to ‘Stormzy”?
      Such etiquette.

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      • pertelote says:

        >Dyst..is that the Stormzy (real name Michael Ebenazer Kwadjo Omari Owuo Yaxley-Lennon Jr.?) whose net worth is £1.5 million (according to Spears magazine).

        Has he got a criminal record?
        ..cos he’s made plenty!

        This is the man that, so say, said “people led change can be possible under a Jeremy Corbyn Labour government” He described the Labour leader as “the first man in a position of power who is committed to giving the power back to the people” and branded Boris Johnson “a sinister man”.

        ” f**k that sh*t” ..er ..as they say…allegedly!

        Dream on my lover!..as we say in the West Country.
        Oh well..never mind son.

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  19. Thoughtful says:

    As I wrote here earlier, Labour needs to rid itself of the ultra remainers who wrecked the parties Brexit strategy.

    Apparantly Starmer unilaterally and without reference to anyone else announced to the world what the parties Brexit stance was going to be.
    No sane party can allow a loose canon like that to remain a member. Fortunately Labour is not a sane party, and guess who is the favourite to succeed Corbyn as leader?

    Yep Keir Starmer the man who in no small measure destroyed its electoral chances!
    Oh and Rebecca Long Bailey (presumably over ice) another world class cretin.

    I think Boris might be PM for quite some time to come.

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    • Up2snuff says:

      T, you are right. Starmer is possessed by the EU (as is Alastair Campbell and his old boss, Blair) and is now a likely replacement for Corbyn. There could be trouble ahead.

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  20. vesnadog says:

    Hi, guys n gals.

    Sorry I’ve not contributed for some time now as I’ve been busy elsewhere – The big C.

    So why am I here? Well, one word may describe my feelings after last nights terrific result and it is – Yippee!

    While I’m here can anyone remember the following post I posted when trying to console a fellow contributor over his or her worries that Brexit will not be done. And I said that he or she must take my word for it – we will eventually leave the EU but I couldn’t give a time and date but it will happen. And part of my reply was because of my faith in God. So I wrote this piece:

    “The Lot (vote) that was cast in Acts 1:22-24 was to see which one of the two men would win and become the replacement Apostle for Judas Iscariot the traitor.

    The Lot (vote) which was cast in 2016 was decided by God and the leave vote won.

    And when God decides to give a nation or a single individual something i,e, a gift; He NEVER reverses his descision as “For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance”;

    or “irreversible”

    Note: The vote cast in 2016 led to the Brexit vote winning and as no one can over come God’s will we will eventually leave the EU”.

    End of quote.

    I’ve been looking for our friend Alibi Brown? Hs she left these shores already?

    We will miss her when she goes. Yippee!

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    • Charlie Farley says:

      Vesnadog
      Sorry no she is still here sadly , caught her on R2 with Vine , ….bleeting on as usual …she is nasty piece of work , as you say a promise was made to emigrate , glad your on the mend

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      • Up2snuff says:

        ves, interesting thought. I missed that first time around.

        I still think the EU is evil and will not easily let go of the UK.

        The UK could do with a massive spiritual (Christian) revival. It’s hard to see where that could come from. Whether we need to be out & away first* or perhaps trapped in and realising it and crying for freedom, for release, it is hard to discern.

        I think that Boris Jonson, unwisely or no, has taken on a massive commitment for a regeneration to be done in just five years. In addition to that, I can see that some people are so ‘possessed’ by the EU that they will still not let go of the hope of re-integrating us at some point in the future.

        (*Am aware that ‘some people’ have prophesied that that is what will happen once we are free of the EU.)

        What I rejoice in is that democracy, that I see as a gift from God**, was served yesterday by a decent turnout on a bad day weather-wise.

        (** When Scripture is examined carefully, it is amazing that under the Theocratic Government of Israel, leaving Egypt behind, God laid the foundations for democracy through his chosen people and the tribe and family structure. Same again, in the Theocracy Mk.2, of the early Church; God laid the foundation for democracy and the conditions for the ongoing revival that started with the Reformation.)

        Did not realise at first what you were refering to but have twigged and hope all is now well with you.

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      • vesnadog says:

        C.

        Thanks for that update. She doesn’t half give me headache.

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    • pertelote says:

      >VD..I do hope so! I hope you don’t mind the kurzname above. It’s the obligatory(?) BBC reference to legitimise the post for this forum..you share it with BBC heroine “our Victoria”.

      What’s the difference?..I have time for you.

      As for STD.. I thought it stood for Standard Dialling Tone..until that weekend in Prague that is 😉

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      • vesnadog says:

        p,

        I don’t mind it a bit.

        Best keep out of Prague.

        Why not holiday in the north east – Blyth is a nice place to visit as there are heaps of new tory voters there now. ; – 0

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    • cromwell says:

      I hope you are feeling better and on the mend. Welcome back.

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  21. scribblingscribe says:

    Dipping into the news on BBC and SKY, and I am learning that the Labour Party policies were attractive to the public. Nope.

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  22. StewGreen says:

    David Sedgwick’s new book

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  23. madandbad101 says:

    Just watched that Marxist lover Loach bleating it was the newspapers that did it for poor Jeremy as he said they were all against him er..hasn’t he heard of the Guardian,The independent and the Mirror but was as usual unchallenged by the Maitliss bint…

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Mad
      Maybe he should look through something threads on this site to see where the bias lies .

      I’m glad Jewish people on the Sabbath can breath a sign of relief that momentum have been defeated .

      Apparently Muslims are now worried about a Tory government . Maybe it will concentrate minds into reducing extremism and their fairly regular terrorism ….
      I guess the evolution of the BBC response will be to report ‘ hate crimes’ against Muslims to get their pro islam narrative back on track again …

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    • cromwell says:

      This is what the left do. We all know that newspapers and media outfits were routing for Labour, it was so depressing.So much so that all on this site found it quite depressing that Ofcom’s etc were not taking any notice. So this bleating by the left is a ploy to try to explain why they didn’t do well.

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      • vesnadog says:

        c,

        I would guess the high earners at the BBC will be worried knowing that Boris has them in his sights.

        I rarely watch BBC TV News but when I watch it its to check out its usual bias. So when I popped in to see how the results was going for Boris the first thing that struck me was the number of reporters of the middle eastern shade.

        Boy, BBC must be awash with our cash.

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  24. Lucy Pevensey says:

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    • Dystopian says:

      No Sadiq, you are the catastrophe for London.
      Boris did a far better job of being Mayor of London.
      You have turned our capital into a third world cesspit.

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  25. taffman says:

    “Nicola Sturgeon says PM has ‘no right’ to block Indyref2”
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50779724
    If Scotland gets independence (I don’t believe they will vote for it). Can Wales have the money they get from The Barnett Formula to bring back all the industry that the EU took from us?
    Get out of the EU and rebuild Wales !

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    • Dystopian says:

      Double standards.
      Her ‘independence’ referendum would somehow be legitimate, but ours isn’t?
      Independence from England good.
      Independence from EU not good.
      Scotland has the right to be independent (even though still wanting to be in EU)
      UK does not have the right to be independent from EU.
      Scotland has a right to self determination but UK doesn’t?

      Total hypocrisy.

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    • pertelote says:

      great idea Taffman..chwarae teg eh!

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  26. Dystopian says:

    I bet there are some areas that all are, today, only Labour due to postal vote fraud. Please ‘Like’ this comment if you agree.

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  27. StewGreen says:

    Worth saying again
    2014: UKIP win EU elections
    2015: Tories elected on manifesto for an EU Referendum
    2016: UK votes to leave
    2017: 80% vote for parties that promise to leave EU
    2018: huge protest votes at local elections
    2019: BXP win EU elections
    2019: Tories win by a landslide

    Clear enough yet?

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    • StewGreen says:

      What no edit button ?
      The people have voted 7 times for Brexit

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    • Fedup2 says:

      I’m going to put up the weekend thread . This one has been the best that I can remember . All we need now is for the end of state paid broadcasting .

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      • The WestWyvern says:

        Thanks Fed, and Here here.. It’s been brilliant. Even at 3a.m this morning.

        Now we just need to keep em honest, esp as Dyst posted above the enemy will be all over Wee Jimmy and supporting her Indyref in order to get Boris.

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  28. Dystopian says:

    The BBC’s next mission will be to champion the SNP in their fight for another referendum in a bid to break up the UK and blame Boris.
    If Boris has any sense, he will learn from recent events and realise that the BBC are working against him and his party.
    If he doesn’t want another campaign against him he will nip it in the bud right away and follow through on his remarks about abolishing the TV tax.

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    • gb123 says:

      I wonder if the Beeb have thought through their crankie support?
      Without Scotland the 80 seat majority would be even bigger.

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  29. AndyDozefeet says:

    I try to steer clear of AlBeeb because of its blatant bias but confess that I was compelled to stick with it last night to pick up some tips on how to talk through gritted teeth.

    Marr and Naga looked totally shellshocked by it all but the best bit was watching that odious scouse commie tw*t McDonnell having to suck it up when Andrew Neill told him that he and his party were pretty much finished. The best night’s telly since the Referendum.

    It is often said that a country gets the government that it deserves – we haven’t had a government we deserve since Thatcher was ousted and only time will tell whether we got one last night. There have been plenty of good policy ideas circulated on here but the most appealing of them is the scrapping of the international aid target and properly dealing with our elderly social care issues. That would be a great start.

    Labour got exactly what they deserved last night – to be so out of touch with the people they profess to know and care about is just staggering and already the infighting has commenced with each wing turning on the other – pass the popcorn.

    I am proud that the British people have stood up in such numbers and taught the anti-democratic dark forces what I hope is a very painful lesson. It feels like a weight has been lifted from the shoulders of our nation – like a particularly unpleasant turd being flushed away. The likes of Femi, Jones, Soubry, Mason, Grieve etc. can now STFD and STFU. Our patriotism was spat at us and labelled as racism just so they could illustrate how “right on” they were. They were wrong and we were right and now they have 5 years to let it sink in.

    The MSM tried to nail Boris on his alleged lack of truthfulness. Now that so many in the shadow cabinet are finally admitting the truth about how they view Corbyn as a liability just hours after assuring the electorate,with perfectly straight faces, that he was the right man for the job and how they would be so proud to serve in his government. Hopefully they will get similar treatment to that dished out to Boris for their wanton dishonesty. I’m not holding my breath though.

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  30. taffman says:

    “Election results: Green Party’s Caroline Lucas increases majority”
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50774493
    Irrelevant . The Greens did not get very far, “The Snowflakes” did not turn out to vote because the weather was too wet and too cold for them.

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  31. Fedup2 says:

    Taffman
    The green turn out was one of the big surprises in my view – since the BBC has hammered the false story of climate change morning noon and night .

    And how the ‘ remain ‘ party ( illiberals ) managed to halve their number of MPs is also a big shock – although Sweater Swinson did grate a lot .

    Looking back at the MSM bubble stories shows how much influence they think they have against reality .

    The Andrew Neil rant about an interview now looks embarrassing

    The kid on the hospital floor and looking at the picture was just nonsense

    The C4 climate Ice block and ‘empty chairing just looks dumb

    Smug Lefty Wall to wall snowflake comics just look purile

    Celebrity endorsements of Corbyn / liberals meant nothing

    I confess I had some doubts about the common sense of voters and that too many had swallowed the Corbyn poison dispensed by the Remainer Far left BBC –

    But as we know – the BBC is so far out of touch with the people who are forced to pay for the monster that Something Must Be Done about it . Stick it on the’ to do ‘ list Bojo – start with getting it to pay for over 75 year olds – or even 65 year olds for a start …using the BBC budget …

    And —Taffman – no need to urge ‘vote brexit party anymore ‘!

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    • taffman says:

      Fedup2
      Hooooold on . We haven’t left yet.
      Nevertheless, yesterday’s result was a great relief.
      Now lets get Brexit Done !

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  32. StewGreen says:

    House of Lords ..it was an Israeli conspiracy

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    • Dystopian says:

      So by definition, she acknowledges that the Jews, allegedly, have a reason to be anti Corbyn. Mmm I wonder what she thinks that might be?

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  33. Fedup2 says:

    That Tonge character is just a loon – I think she was put away into the Lords by Clegg as part of the coalition deal ….

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