Christmas Thread 23 December 2019

I’d like to take this opportunity to wish everyone who reads or writes on this site a very happy Christmas from our very small admin crew.
Thank you for your contributions throughout the year as the Biased BBC has spread its’poisonous propaganda across the airways – for which people have to pay . Perhaps that is going to change .

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419 Responses to Christmas Thread 23 December 2019

  1. digg says:

    I see all the full-time reporters have gone away for Christmas and left the News in the hands of the placement students.

    Trump impeachment inquiry sung by a Christmas choir

    President Donald Trump became the third president in American history to be impeached, exactly one week before Christmas. He now faces a trial in the Senate that will decide whether he remains in office.

    The Washington International Chorus performs the 12 Days of Christmas carol, with specially adapted lyrics by BBC News, to explain how the impeachment inquiry unfolded.

    “Specially adapted lyrics by BBC News?”

    Not “News” BBC, opinion and spin and just about as juvenile and as any “News” organisation can get in my opinion.


    • Guest Who says:

      Too true.

      Over on Facebook they are hiding behind the ‘pose a question’ technique to see just how worried ‘we’ should all be.


      Maybe it is they who should be worried more?


    • Thoughtful says:

      You are aware that President Trump hasn’t been impeached as of yet?

      The big Hoo Hah is that Pelosi has refused to hand over the impeachment documents because the stupid democrats have finally realised they don’t amount to a hill of beans and now, some embarrasing witnesses are going to be called which they don’t want to appear.

      This is still an ongoing embarassment for the democrats, and it’s only going to get worse for them as time goes on.


    • G says:

      Not “juvenile” but, simply wrong.


    • StewGreen says:

      Backlinks to previous thread a The Weekend
      – A few comments on page 3 which started 8:30pm Sunday night
      page 2 started lunchtime on Saturday


    • dfhunter says:

      But digg you have to use your imagination more –
      “The Washington International Chorus performs the 12 Days of Christmas carol, with specially adapted lyrics by BBC News, to explain how the impeachment inquiry unfolded – Produced by Bella McShane Senior Broadcast Journalist at BBC she’s –
      “a trusted senior broadcast journalist who has over eight years experience of producing national news and current affairs programmes for the BBC. I have managed the coverage of big news events and take important editorial decisions autonomously on a daily basis. I produce high quality original journalism in an imaginative way, build good contacts, direct films and have experience of working in both forward planning and on-the-day news”

      with all her contacts. take it the choir sang for free!!!


  2. AnneG says:

    Just to say thanks to all the contributors on this site for making me laugh, smile or nod my head in agreement.
    Wishing you all a Merry Christmas and a Bercow free New Year.


  3. Mrs Kitty says:

    Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to one and all on here.


  4. digg says:

    And to all at the BBC….

    Bah humbug!


  5. Ed Hitter says:

    The BBC is certainly getting its teeth into the alleged racism at a football match.
    Yes, it is shocking, and should never be tolerated, but the reality is that it’s down to a couple of angry nut jobs in a crowd of more than 60,000 people.
    However, what the BBC isn’t covering is today’s Times splash about Sharia courts being held inside our U.K. prisons, where young Muslims are being groomed as terrorists.
    It’s based on violent racism, institutional racism, a threat to our entire nation, yet the BBC seems to find it harder to get up a head of steam about it.
    The report says that there are around 13,000 Muslim inmates in England and Wales, making up 16 per cent of the prison population – doubling from 8 per cent of prisoners in 2002.
    News, but not as the BBC knows it, and clearly not when you’ve got an easy target like white footie yobs.
    Here’s the Mail’s online version of the story on the Sharia ‘courts’….


  6. Fedup2 says:

    And then there is John Bercow – being paid with taxpayers cash to give an alternative Christmas message about the need for ‘Personal courtesy ‘.

    Is that the best joke this Christmas ?( certainly won’t find any in Mr Brown’s boys ( never seen) . I bet there may be a good number of conservative MPs being hugely entertained by the repugnant traitor spouting off .
    I wonder when the bullying inquiry will report ?


  7. Oldspeaker says:

    From the book of ‘you couldn’t make it up’.
    ‘Ed Miliband to join review of Labour’s election failure’
    Well, I suppose he is an expert on the topic at hand.


    • Guest Who says:

      Maybe he will come down from a mountain, tablets in hand?

      1. Thou shalt only appear on Newsnight with none bar Hashtag Owen and Champion Ash as fluffers to Emily….


    • Deborah says:

      Classic FM very keen on the Ed Miliband story on Monday morning yet seemed almost ignored by the BBC. It is like a failing school getting a Headteacher who also led his school to failure, to identify the problems. Classic FM also reported that Ed will interview the 59 MPs who lost their seat. It might be better if he interviewed those who won their seats or am I missing something?

      I will add that BBC news reported about somebody in Texas who was murdered over a hair cut (or was it Classic FM, they sometimes merge in my mind) but nothing about the people with their throats cut in the U.K. yesterday.


  8. Guest Who says:

    Tony’s Xmas Mess…

    “La, la-la, la, la-la, la-la… la, la, la, la-la, la-la, la…. la”


    • Guest Who says:

      ITBB in complement.

      Time to wheel out CSI:W1A here.

      A corpse lies in the BBC canteen with its head in the baked potato oven and feet in John Sweeney’s Kir freezer.

      It is rotting from scalp to toenails, having been there decades.

      CSI DG Dead Parrot Tony places the liver temp monitor halfway between the two extremes and… lo… the cadaver is actually ‘just about right’.

      A £5,000,000,000 pa bad, too unique, joke.


    • Sluff says:

      I note that he is using the time-honoured excuse that they are being criticised from both sides so must be getting it about right.

      What a totally pathetic and incoherent evidence-free argument.
      It’s a bit like having one Brexiteer and four Remoaners on QT and saying all opinions are being represented.

      Or running HIGNFY and saying they take the p**** out of both sides, while allowing the guest ‘comedian’ to deliver a left-wing polemic to applause, whilst the right-wing ‘jokes’ about Corbyn are greeted by embarrassed chuckles or silence.


      • Guest Who says:

        For the Graun, curiously mixed #CCBGB

        He and Fran would be well advised to visit the new Oz reporter for several weeks to make sure she is settling in… maybe at a Blue Mountain resort?


    • Guest Who says:

      Evil right wing billionaire press… for balance…


    • fakenewswatcher says:

      Simply ignore Lord Hall Hall !


  9. G says:

    Anybody taken a look at the Ash Sarkar Wiki page?

    “Ash Sarkar (born 17 April 1992)[1][2] is a British journalist and communist[3] political activist.”…….”; “…..She is a Muslim.”
    Let’s see. She ‘contributes’ to the Guardian and Independent, “…and is a regular commentator on politics and society in UK broadcast and online media.”
    Why oh why does anybody give people like this a platform? Do they see her output as valuable or just a curiosity?


  10. john in cheshire says:

    Fedup2, Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
    Thanks for your efforts to keep this site going strong. And long may you do so.


  11. cromwell says:

    I would like to wish every one here a happy peaceful Christmas and a truly great new year. I would also like to thank fedup and the admin staff for all the work over this eventful, stressful year. This site has been a bit of sanity in mad world. I have just got over the election suprise, I cannot tell you how stressed it got me in the end and the elation I felt when the results came in I will never forget. I think it affected me more than i thought. I was contemplating a return to the dark days of the 70s and the cost to us all. Thank God sense prevailed.


  12. G says:

    Online Harms White Paper, co supported by our current Chancellor of the Exchequer , Savid Javid. I wonder why.

    Click to access Online_Harms_White_Paper.pdf

    “Harm: Terrorist content online Box 2
    Terrorists, including Islamist groups such as Daesh and Al-Qaeda as well as far right terrorists, use the internet to spread propaganda designed to radicalise vulnerable people, and distribute material designed to aid and abet terrorist attacks”.

    “Far Right”? Prove it!
    “Harm: Online disinformation Box 12
    Online disinformation – spreading false information to deceive deliberately – is becoming more and more prevalent. Misinformation refers to the inadvertent sharing of false information.”
    Happily, I think our “Beauty” State Broadcaster will fit into a number of the categories here. If this becomes law, I will happily refer the BABC to the, ‘Regulator’. But I suspect, the police will avoid investigating and charging the BABC without the complainant having first approached OFCOM.
    A bit more, ‘dicing and slicing’ of the public.
    Happy Xmas and an interesting New Year to all.


  13. Jeff says:

    I’m a huge fan of Dickens and A Christmas Carol is one of his finest. I used to read it every Yuletide in an attempt to get me into the Christmas spirit…an uphill struggle in my case. Humbug!
    So, I thought I’d give the Beeb’s latest version a try. Oh dear.
    I don’t even mind too much that they’ve made Mrs Cratchett (what looks like) a mixed race Rastafarian. This is the BBC after all and I’d almost half expected it. They are becoming tiresomely predictable…
    But they’ve completely messed up the narrative of the story. Some favourable reviewer said it was like Peaky Blinders. Why? The original is a fantastic tale that doesn’t need some PC trendy fiddling with it. We all know it by heart. And with all the technological wizardry at their disposal they could have given us something really memorable. They haven’t. This production is so dark you can hardly see it and the actors voices so mumbly you can barely hear it.
    I struggled through most of the first episode, but that’s it for me.
    They claim to have made this version more “relevant” so I reckon I’m bailing at the right time.
    Perhaps they’ll try to shoe horn in some oblique references to Brexit or climate change. And I was rather relieved that Tiny Tim didn’t appear as Tiny Greta.
    And this being the Beeb we might even be lucky enough to see Stormzy popping up as The Ghost of Christmas Yet to Be.
    Anyway, have a lovely, peaceful Christmas. And as Tiny Tim always used to say…
    God bless us everyone.


    • Up2snuff says:

      Jeff, try the Alastair Sim or Patrick Stewart versions instead. Much better.


    • JamesArthur says:

      The BBC don’t seem able to just tell an original story without making it more ‘relevant’ or ‘contemporary’ which we all know really means ruin it by putting in unnecessary characters and woke messages
      Really it already works for them.. wicked old white man , poor disabled child, strong woman looking after children that are going hungry


    • Roland Deschain says:

      I don’t understand the need to make yet another version of it. It’s not as if there aren’t already hundreds of versions out there. Is it beyond them to look for an interesting Christmas tale that hasn’t yet been adapted for the screen? It’s symptomatic of the complete lack of originality in the drama department.


  14. gb123 says:

    My message to all


  15. Terminal Moraine says:

    Chingford school changes Christmas carol lyrics from from ’Lord Jesus’ to ‘baby boy Jesus’. “In Love Shone Down, instead of the words ‘Jesus the saviour’, children have been told to sing ‘Jesus the baby’, while in Come and Join the Celebration the words ‘new King born today’ have become ‘a baby born today’.”

    School spokesperson: ”We are a community school serving children from a range of faith backgrounds.”

    Headteacher: Zakia Khatun

    Will the BBC’s massively funded colonialism and imperialism department see fit to report this? “They will not change our way of life” was a popular refrain from the mid-noughties… you don’t hear it so much these days.


  16. Deborah says:

    My thanks to Fedup2 and those who are involved with the running of this site. You do an amazing job (I know ‘amazing’ is a woke word much favoured by people being interviewed by BBC especially after they have been asked how they feel). But I am extremely grateful to all involved and those that post. Through the dark days caused by Phil Hammond et al (I am blaming him as Theresa has been gracious in defeat and I am suspecting she was pushed into the role and a direction she didn’t want to go] this site gave me the confidence to know I was not alone and kept the blood pressure down. Thanks to all. Oh, and Merry Christmas and Happy Chanukah.


    • Terminal Moraine says:

      Likewise Deborah, thanks to everyone who keeps this place ticking along. (And a happy solstice too.)


  17. Terminal Moraine says:

    I have some questions BBC. First up — can your editors tell the difference between www searches and chats in the W1A canteen?



  18. Up2snuff says:

    A Christmas greeting to everyone on this site, visitors, registered users/occasional posters, all the daily & weekly regulars, Stew Green, True Too and Moderator, FedUp2, plus the backroom staff and David Vance – a very Happy Christmas to you all and best wishes for the New Year.

    Hopefully, 2020 might see some determined effort on the part of Her Majesty’s Government to have ‘a quiet word’ with the Director General of the publicly-owned BBC, Tony Hall.

    If that, and a TV Licence Review, doesn’t bring about reform & improvement at the BBC, then rest assured ‘we’ (ie. all at BiasedBCC) will be ‘on your case’, DG, in 2020 and spotting the biases, errors & omissions.


  19. Nibor says:

    Merry Christmas everyone
    (Except BBC , senior civil servants , remoaners like Dominic Grieve , Ken Clarke etc , politicians who didn’t stand for re election if they crossed the House floor , Greta Thornberg , Antifa and various others ) .
    May I wish you all a happy prosperous Soubry free new year .


  20. digg says:

    The BBC have found another right-on Climate luvvie..

    ‘Fashion industry’s pollution made me cry’

    Yael Aflalo was on a business trip in China when her idea for a sustainable fashion label really took off……

    It ends….

    It is all part of her mission to “bring sustainable fashion to everyone”. But that comes at a price – from £16 for a thong to £405 for a leather blazer.

    The fashion may be sustainable but not the prices! And isn’t China the place where garment workers toil in sweat shops for peanuts and reckoned to be one of the most polluting Nations on Earth??


    • dfhunter says:

      @digg – thanks for that link.

      partial quote from the link –
      “The label later boasted an impressive range of stockists including Browns in London, and Barneys and Nordstrom in the US. But after a decade she closed it after it had accumulated debts of a “few million dollars”.
      To “figure out” how to salvage the situation Yael says she “did a lot of meditating and soul searching but knew I’d get through this and it would be fine”.

      only a “few million dollars” debt!!! is that 2,3,5?
      & she then “meditated” to clear her soul, what a typical BBC woman biased lot of crap.


  21. Old Goat says:

    Happy Christmas to all, from a very jaune France!


  22. vlad says:

    As if we didn’t know:

    Times: “Islamist extremists hold Sharia trials and groom young Muslims in British prisons”

    Not yet reported by Al-beeb, but no doubt they’ll get round to it.


  23. Doobster78 says:

    Nice one Piers

    These Remoaners never give it up do they. They hang on to this bigwig legal eagles every word but for all his supposed legal brilliance, its got him, and them NOWHERE !!!


  24. Sluff says:

    The BBC are bigging up the trauma experienced by failed Labour politicians who are now having to make their staff redundant. And its not great for the staff either.

    Is this the same party that at the election wanted to nationalise swathes of industry in order to make a whole new raft of unsackable public sector workers ? And wanted to impose huge extra costs on private businesses?

    Surely the Labour Party should practice what it preaches and keep the staff employed. They might not have anything to do, and the costs might be ruinous and lead to bankruptcy, but so what ? Let them experience the reality of their policies.

    Needless to say, the inherent hypocrisy of this has…..errrr……..not featured in the BBC reporting.


  25. vlad says:

    In more good news related to the Boris Spring, beeboids are squealing about the Conservative boycott of Today (Another Beauty).

    “The editor of Today on Radio 4 has accused No 10 of a “Trumpian” attempt to delegitimise the BBC after ministers were banned from appearing on it.

    Sarah Sands claimed that Downing Street had been emboldened by its election landslide. The Conservatives have refused to put ministers up for interview on Today since last weekend, with No 10 sources dismissing the show as “irrelevant” and an example of the BBC’s focus on a “pro-Remain metropolitan bubble in Islington”.

    The government has also launched a review into decriminalising non-payment of the licence fee, which could cost the corporation £200 million a year.” – Times

    I suspect what irks them the most is not being criticised, but being ignored.

    Dear beeb lefty commentariat, you are superfluous. De trop. Irrelevant. Passé.


    • fakenewswatcher says:

      vlad – suddenly, I have to disagree with you about something. The item that I suspect irks them most are people who don’t pay their licence fee.
      Cut off this little air supply, and most of them will suffocate – the product being way too shabby and propagandistic to compete on the TV/streaming subscription market. They can live with criticism, they can even live with being ignored, I suspect. But cut off the money…
      I caught part of ‘Feedback’ on R4 yesterday, where a smug Roger Bolton was interviewing a smug Sarah Sands. She expressed particular satisfaction with Toady presenters, singling out Justin Webb for praise, as best as I can recall.
      The Gruniad would probably also have to shut down as a consequence, having lost one of its key advertising,ideas exchange and propaganda colleague sources.
      David Lammy would be furious/apoplectic.
      Your address to the commentariat I can, however, support 100% !


  26. MarkyMark says:

    BBC …. spreading the Christmas Joy … you pay for this … “specially adapted lyrics by BBC News” …

    “Trump impeachment inquiry sung by a Christmas choir
    President Donald Trump became the third president in American history to be impeached, exactly one week before Christmas. He now faces a trial in the Senate that will decide whether he remains in office.

    The Washington International Chorus performs the 12 Days of Christmas carol, with specially adapted lyrics by BBC News, to explain how the impeachment inquiry unfolded.

    Shot and edited by Tristan Cimini and Peter Murtaugh.

    Produced by Bella McShane.

    23 Dec 2019″


  27. Colboysigma says:

    Just heard top story on on the BBC TV “News” 14:00 Monday 23rd that racist noises made at a football match in London were a result of, wait for it.. Climate change and Brexit… Wow!


    • Doobster78 says:

      On the same issue, these FBPE nutters truly believe these things are down to Boris Johnson and they had NOT happened before !!!

      I mean, come on. Anyone, anyone with the letters FBPE on their twitter feeds should be identified and given a full mental health check. Absolute fruit nuts, the lot of em.


  28. Deborah says:

    Toady on Monday morning. The wild fires in Australia are due to Climate Change. Climate change is all due to man including the coal fired generators in China. Apparently 7% of the Australian GDP(?) is from coal exported to China. People (Toady didn’t explain which people but I guess they are not people dependent on coal mining for their jobs) are demanding the coal exports are stopped.

    The BBC as usual in favour of the destruction of western economies by the god CC and the climate emergency. No mention of the failure to manage forestation and bush fire prevention by controlled burning of forest debris. Oh sorry, cannot do that anymore because it causes global warming.


  29. Halifax says:

    The BBC can’t keep race out of any news item. And so it continues with the Boeing 737 Max. You see according the the BBC those nasty white Boeing managers knew that the Max wasn’t safe and they let those poor Ethiopians fly on an unsafe plane . Obviously for white Boeing managers see Trump and of course Boeing have tried to blame the Ethiopian pilots according to the BBC.


  30. taffman says:

    “Euston station is currently closed due to a security incident. There are no trains in or out the station.”
    All clear given and station back open.
    Anything on Al Beeb , ie cause ?


  31. digg says:

    Taking a break from tracking the BBC exploits I happened on the website for the LSE (London School of Economics).

    It didn’t take long to realise that it is basically a breeding ground for Corbynites and Momentum (and probably many BBC staff!).

    There is strong pressure to swing “youth” towards rejecting Conservative values tied to unwavering support for the Climate Bandwagon.

    Almost every article on the site is pretty much left-wing.

    Here is a sniff of it…

    I guess this den is not dissimilar to most other “Uni’s” now and is pretty much opposed to anything that smacks of what we would regard as traditional British values of fairness and common sense.

    It is no wonder therefore that there is a growing herd instinct in the ranks Uni students to think the same way.

    Possibly one of many dens of vipers for Boris and his team to take a good long look at?


    • Dover Sentry says:

      Exactly! From your link, it can be seen that the complaint by the LSE amounted to the Exit Poll ‘shaping’ the media discussion before the full election results materialised. Which, by the way, matched the Exit Poll 🙂

      They are complaining for the sake of complaining. It’s called Democracy, you luvvies. You attacked Democracy over Brexit, and it bit you back.


    • Mrs Kitty says:

      I always refer to the LSE as the London School of Extremists, I believe more than a couple of their graduates went on to star in videos promoting ISIS.


      • Lefty Wright says:

        Mrs Kitty
        Believe or not I once read somewhere that a certain Sir Michael Juggler is a former student of the L.S.E. This was before he left and formed the popular singing group The Kidney Stones to set about the task of destroying the Western World through the minds of the young and impressionable. I think your interpretation of the L.S.E. name in not without justification. It’s a pity Mr Juggler didn’t pay more attention during English classes innit.


    • dfhunter says:

      digg – don’t forget the Grantham side –

      who is he – “Robert Jeremy Goltho Grantham CBE (born 6 October 1938) is a British investor and co-founder and chief investment strategist of Grantham, Mayo, & van Otterloo (GMO), a Boston-based asset management firm. GMO has more than US$118 billion in assets under management as of March 2015.[1] Grantham is regarded as a highly knowledgeable investor in various stock, bond, and commodity markets, and is particularly noted for his prediction of various bubbles.[2] He has been a vocal critic of various governmental responses to the Global Financial Crisis from 2007 to 2010.[3][4] Grantham started one of the world’s first index funds in the early 1970s.[5]
      In 2011 he was included in the 50 Most Influential ranking of Bloomberg Markets magazine”

      money,money,money makes the world go round – as the song says


  32. Fedup2 says:

    Thanks for the link – I scanned it and only ‘academics’ with too much time on their hands would come up with a hairbrained idea that the way the election results / projections were presented to the viewer has an affect on their frame on mind .

    It’s a longer version of the Corbyn ‘won the argument ‘ nonsense which I hope the new leader of the Labour Party will fully embrace to ensure another demolition in 2024 .

    The only thing that matters is the size of the majority – the means of achieving that – whether more people voted one way or another is immaterial .

    I studied at the LSE – I had to suppress my political views because it has been as far left as I can remember . If you are studying a ‘real’subjecr it is tough place to be an expectations were very high. I was doing a masters and it near crushed me .


    • digg says:

      I am pleased you obviously managed to come through in one piece and your brains still in place FedUp2!


      • Fedup2 says:

        I was doing a full time job at the time so the nonsense of full time kidults passed me by …..

        On the BBC – the mirror on line of all places – reports the great British Public moaning about the BBC TV Christmas out put and whether the BBC had any purpose anymore – which is nice .

        After today I’m BBC – free until after Boxing Day – which will be remained Amazon Prime Footy Day ….


    • Guest Who says:


    • G says:

      Yes, I still have memories of the likes of Tariq Ali rioting in the streets of London at a time when mass protest/rioting was not well rooted. Yet, now he’s described as, “a British political activist, writer, journalist, historian, filmmaker, and public intellectual.” “Public intellectual” be damned!!.

      Just another Pakistani who helped the UK on its downward spiral since the last World War.


  33. StewGreen says:

    Yorkshire Post last Friday ” List of right wing extremists has almost doubled” “on the rise “6,000 referrals in March 2018- April 2019”

    To me it looks like the normal cuttingNpasting from material prepared by Labour front group the hatey no hopers.
    It’s got a box in the middle quoting Jo Cox’s sister.

    This false equivalence between Islamic terrorism and rightwing is PR BS
    There are simply not hundreds of rightwingers leaving Britain to join a white supremacist caliphate.


  34. taffman says:

    “London bus attack: Boy ordered to complete diversity lessons”
    “The youth was given an eight-month youth referral order”
    Beating the boys with a feather duster would have been a harsher deterrent.
    These liberal referral orders and diversity lessons are a joke. That’s why crime is on the rise .


    • tapwatertory says:

      ‘diversity lessons’.

      Is that like those Chinese re-education camps I’ve been hearing about?

      Forced to make tesco Christmas cards and copies of the morning star under pain of death?

      Maybe I’ll get a plea for freedom in my next copy?

      If I ever bought it.


  35. taffman says:

    The fact that we are leaving the EU, expect Al Beeb and The Liberal MSM to go on the warpath against Bo Jo , Trump, Farage and Brexit in the new year. They are annoyed , very annoyed that the public did not swallow their London centric propaganda. Watch this space.
    Merry Brexmas.


  36. digg says:

    Just when I thought Corbyn would take a breather after shooting himself in the foot, he has found his other foot to aim at!

    Corbyn humiliated as joke Queen’s opening of Parliament looked like PANTOMIME falls flat


  37. digg says:

    A bit of light relief… this a readers response to a goading anti-brit article on the Quora website entitled….

    What is the brutal truth about living in the UK?

    He writes…

    The brutal truth is I do not have to worry about Hurricanes, Monsoons, Volcanoes, Tsunamis, Earthquakes, huge amounts of snow, debilitating heat, arctic blizzards, venomous snakes, dangerous insects, large predators, pestilence, malaria, typhoid, insurrection, invasion, medical debt, starvation, bad or no water supply, poor sanitation, corrupt officials, mass shootings, hospital bills, lack of public transport, no decent TV, revolution, or being left to starve.

    However the library is now only open 3 days a week which is a bit of a bugger.

    My kind of guy!


    • Nibor says:

      A person who’s travelled .
      Put in a rather basic concept , who wants to live in a country of hot weather when a scorpion or something more horrific can creep round from the back of the toilet when you’re on it ?


  38. The General says:

    I see ‘adverts’ on TV several times a day showing small impoverished little African girls having to walk miles to polluted water holes to fill large plastic containers and struggling to hoist them onto their backs before walking the several miles home. Heart breaking !!
    But, no one asks the question ” Why are the men not doing this.”

    I think we all know.


    • PRW73 says:

      And does no-one ask why all those billions in foreign aid going to these countries can’t be used to dig wells? After all, if there is water on the surface, the water table can’t be far below can it? And a few of those little windmills you used to see in all the old westerns to bring the water to the surface. However, apparently none of this is possible unless I send £2. If £2 can do it, why can’t £ millions?
      Not intending to sound unsympathetic to those poor souls


      • john in cheshire says:

        Over the past hundred years we, normal people, in the West must have given literally billions if not trillions of pounds etc to the world’s needy.
        And nothing has changed.
        So how much more money do they need before things start to improve and donations can begin to diminish?
        In my opinion, the demands for our money will never end and measuring progress will never begin.
        As Jesus said, the poor will always be with us.

        But my thoughts also apply to Cancer research. Again it must have been studied for the best part of a century but there’s never an actual breakthrough. So, why is that?


        • xplod says:

          having dealt with many major charities in the past, the one thing you will NEVER hear from them is …”Our work is done”.


          • Beltane says:

            The other thing that you’ll never hear from them is that their CEO is underpaid. Most seem to struggle by on four times the PM’s rate to perfectly illustrate the generosity of the organisations.


        • vlad says:

          Some countries that were once poor, third world, have pulled themselves out of poverty through good governance and hard work, which in turn attracts investment in a virtuous circle.
          Never through charity which rarely improves anything, but often makes things work.
          Some ex-colonies that were once relatively well-run and at least able to feed their people – despite inequalities and injustices – are now proudly independent basket cases.


        • Khaa2091 says:

          There have been breakthroughs but we take them for granted. Fifty years ago childhood leukaemia was invariably fatal, unless you were unfortunate to die of something else first. Current cure rates are now more than 90%.


      • LynetteO says:

        See the video of how an Israeli NGO is helping to supply Africans with clean water and more . From

        10 years of Innovation: Africa

        The Israeli NGO Innovation: Africa has used Israeli technology to pump water and provide electricity to schools and medical centers in African villages. The NGO has saved thousands of lives and benefited over a million Africans in 10 countries.


  39. G.W.F. says:

    Merry Christmas everyone. Apologies for not contributing, as I will be off line for a couple more weeks. A Christmas disaster, fire destroyed my house with total destruction. I hope to be back on my feet sometime, although my past has been wiped out. Keep up the good work.


    • StewGreen says:

      @GWF ” fire destroyed my house with total destruction.” man, wow … well you are still alive
      and have your health by the sound of it.
      I bet the government are not putting you up in a Kensington hotel like the Grenfell people.
      I hope you and your family are being fully supported elsewhere.


  40. G.W.F. says:

    Merry Christmas everyone. Apologies for not contributing, as I will be off line for a couple more weeks. A Christmas disaster, fire destroyed my house with total destruction. I hope to be back on my feet sometime, although my past has been wiped out. Keep up the good work.


    • Nibor says:

      GWF ,
      I’ve had that . Your insurance may tell you you haven’t insured enough .
      Don’t do as I did and overspend on replacement . Best of all , your still with us .


    • Deborah says:

      Sorry to hear about your fire GWF. I have tried to add other words of commiseration but they sound trite. Best wishes and look forward to your regular posts in the new year.


    • chancygardner says:

      Heavens above. What an awful thing to have occurred. GWF – I truly hope you will re-stabilise soon and how stoic of you; to apologise for not posting on here for a while because your house had burnt down! Here’s hoping 2020 is a better year for you.


  41. G.W.F. says:

    Merry Christmas everyone. Apologies for not contributing, as I will be off line for a couple more weeks. A Christmas disaster, fire destroyed my house with total destruction. I hope to be back on my feet sometime, although my past has been wiped out. Keep up the good work.


  42. G.W.F. says:

    Merry Christmas everyone. Apologies for not contributing, as I will be off line for a couple more weeks. A Christmas disaster, fire destroyed my house with total destruction. I hope to be back on my feet sometime, although my past has been wiped out. Keep up the good work.


  43. G.W.F. says:

    Merry Christmas everyone. Apologies for not contributing, as I will be off line for a couple more weeks. A Christmas disaster, fire destroyed my house with total destruction. I hope to be back on my feet sometime, although my past has been wiped out. Keep up the good work.


    • cromwell says:

      GWF .. I’m so sorry to read about the fire to your house.What a disaster. I really hope you can rebuild your life. May GOD bless you and your family.


      • Fedup2 says:

        I echo that and hope you recover as quickly as possible from your loss .


        • G.W.F. says:

          Thanks folks. It was a total loss, and I even got to appear on the BBC. . It is Christmas day and I am moving into temporary accommodation. People have been fantastic and so generous with time to help
          and donations. Call it the British spirit. I feel honoured to be part of this country.


  44. imaynotalwaysloveyou says:

    Merry Christmas everyone! Not many comments from me recently but as Arnie says ‘I’ll be back!’. Have been in a slightly annoying job which is finishing in another month, plus other general aggravations.

    But some sort of Brexit seems to have been achieved I suppose (as long as Boris’s feet are held to the fire). And the wailing of the remoaning lefties has been a sight to behold.

    But it’s not even the end of the beginning yet. I’ll concede that when the BBC is defunded, put in the stocks and whipped, and humiliated for the troughing charlatans that they are.

    And Happy New Year to all too.


  45. Deborah says:

    In desperation I thought I would watch Top of The Pops on BBC Four on Monday evening. I got there just before the end and a ‘pop historian’ was talking about Another Brick In The Wall. Apparently it was warning us about ‘Thatcher and greed was good’. They cannot help themselves, can they?


  46. Ed Hitter says:

    While the BBC goes into overdrive about racism in football, it is worth noting that an alleged racist incident at the Tottenham Hotspur stadium yesterday remains only “alleged” and has still not been verified.
    This hasn’t stopped all the hand wringing and condemnation as the BBC majors on the story.
    The alleged abuse may yet turn out to be confirmed, and to be fair the BBC has just reported the club’s official statement stating that no conclusive evidence has been found….but this was only tagged on the end of a long item dominated by condemnation.
    Why was this not the main angle? Why was it not made clearer earlier in the reporting? Is it perhaps just too inconvenient for the developing narrative?
    Anyway, the club states: “We are able to track every fan via the cameras and have spent many hours reviewing CCTV footage.
    “We have engaged lip readers to study the footage and contacted Chelsea for further information from their players. We have also taken statements from other parties present at the time.
    “The police will be reviewing our evidence alongside us. Please be assured we shall be exhaustively investigating this matter…..
    “Any fan found to be guilty will receive a lifetime ban. At this time, however, we should point out that our findings are inconclusive and would ask that comment is reserved until the facts are established.”
    Comment is certainly not being reserved on the BBC though.


    • JamesArthur says:

      Yes same thought occured to me – but more importantly the footballer ‘ believed he heard monkey sounds’ what does a monkey sound like..and if he could detect it , then the person must have been close given all the noise around…nobody seems to question whether he did actually hear monkey sounds or that he heard what he wanted to hear…it is just another case of we must believe what a ‘victim’ says
      The BBC are too quick to conclude without evidence when it suits and not around the other way


  47. NISA says:

    Odd that in Paxman’s introduction to Christmas University Challenge he named Allison Pearson’s two former employers – Observer & Independent but did not name her “present newspaper”, which is of course, the Telegraph (and a good job she makes of it). Is the Telegraph an organ whose name must not be uttered at he BBC?


  48. Jeff says:

    I see the BBC are giving the recent “racist” chants at a Tottenham versus Chelsea football match maximum coverage. And of course those two intellectual giants, Lineker and Gary Neville, have stuck their respective oars into the argument. Well, they would do…
    Clearly it is pathetic, appalling and cowardly behaviour. No argument.
    However, it pales into insignificance compared to the hissing sound that often follows Tottenham around. One of this team’s politically incorrect nicknames is The Yids and the hissing, made by opposing fans, is supposed to emulate the noise from the gas chambers.
    I don’t think this is just racist I think it’s unspeakably abhorrent.
    There are certain things no decent human being with only the merest scintilla of historical knowledge would ever do… and this is one of them…but it happens and it happens frequently…and it’s rarely mentioned.
    Lineker use to play for Spurs. He must have heard it.
    You know, I’ve never heard him speak about it and he’s not usually so reticent.


    • fakenewswatcher says:

      Jeff – I didn’t know what you’ve mentioned (about the hissing), but it would suggest, once again, that the bbc ‘news’ is not really about the ‘news’, but about their narrative and agenda.
      They are not alone. But they are funded by money obtained with menaces in a situation where people have little choice but to pay up (a disgusting, corrupt situation, when you think about it). Therefore, I expect of them to stick to reporting real news in an objective and balanced fashion. I don’t care what ITV does, I’m not forced to pay for their distortions and excesses, and -of course- I generally don’t choose to watch them.
      ‘Racism’ is very much part of the bbc agenda, and if you look at Ed Hitter’s comment, the manipulative manner in which this story is presented is -regrettably- what we have come to expect from them.

      The same process is going on with the ‘impeachment’ of President Trump in the US. Make accusations where you count on a media monopoly, guilty until proven innocent is the principle, don’t allow the ‘accused’ to make his case, and don’t let the facts get in the way.
      An essentially political exercise, little to do with justice.
      Rudiger doesn’t strike me as a fool. It is not beyond the bounds of possibility that his is an essentially political exercise, but we can’t judge without eg footage or witness statements.
      That doesn’t stop the bbc from pursuing their agenda. Like Nancy Pelosi in the US, they are hoping that, by the time ‘the facts’ come out -if at all, so much of the mud flung freely around will have stuck, that that agenda will have been served, regardless of the outcome.
      They want to manipulate us; they don’t want to enlighten us.


      • G says:

        Our ‘World’s Most Trusted’ must see the Licence Fee as some sort of ‘Protection Money’ to keep the viewer/listener from the real news. ‘Real News’ like the important stuff they don’t want the public to be aware of. Joe Public, paying the tax? How else would the BBC afford to broadcast its World Service? Peddling its own Marxist views on the World under the guise of so-called, “Democracy”.
        Anyway, over two years for me without licence and, judging by comments here and elsewhere, it was clearly the right thing to do.


  49. Guest Who says:

    Quelle surprise.


    • Guest Who says:

      …et, repetez…


    • john in cheshire says:

      What will be her theme?
      Spiders and how they changed my life?
      Democracy, pah, it’s not all it’s cracked up to be?
      The Hoi Poloi and how to ignore them?
      Every society should have an unelected black widow as a judge and they should be able to interpret the law to suit themselves?


    • Oaknash says:

      Obviously Aunties special xmas message to the electorate – up yours!


  50. Charlie Farley says:

    BBC 24 news , connecting racism in football to Boris and Corbyn….JC fair comment ….but will this ever stop ? …off button quickly ! , oh for a fair and honest unbiased BBC…its never going to happen