Weekend Thread 21 August 2021

How will the Far Left anti British BBC greet the birth of a new State – The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan ? As the BBC is largely supportive of all things Muslim – or ignores – at best – crimes committed in the name of Islam – it may welcome it as a new friend .
Current affairs programmes will greet taliban spokesmen with due regard – unlike – of course – anyone from a disapproved political view . Further – will the BBC continue to give overwhelming support to Joe Biden – who is responsible for the current turmoil ?

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363 Responses to Weekend Thread 21 August 2021

  1. vlad says:

    Usually the beeb hang on Blair’s every word, so it’s odd they’re not reporting his word for Biden: imbecilic.

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  2. taffman says:

    The Channel invasion is becoming so frequent that Al Beeb is not covering it anymore.
    How many terrorists have already arrived ? There is no excuse , Boris and Priti should hang their heads in shame .

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  3. Yasser Dasmibehbi says:

    I like this chap! He certainly knows his history and has a good understanding of modern politics.

    Perhaps the BBC will have him back on to air his views just like they have Medhi? (joke)

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    • taffman says:

      He is absolutely right. I hope that our MPs see this ?

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    • theisland says:

      Historical truth and perspective – thank you Neil.

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      • Scroblene says:

        Spot on, TheI.

        I always like Neil Oliver’s comments, our bottler and his rollo-over Home Sec need to listen to him properly.

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      • Fedup2 says:

        Yes – he does a ‘letter from the UK’ – something which could never be allowed on the BBC now , at least the Afgee disaster has distracted from the Chinese virus – coloured people mattering or the latest madness about men being nasty ….
        It’s tricky for the false president s’ carers now – if they keep him in the bunker he will be accused of hiding ( which he is ) but if they put him in front of the public or press ( however pro ) he will still show himself to be mentally ill .

        In the run up to the final pull out – which could be next weekend – the scenes will get worse and I reckon hostages will be taken –
        What does Biden and nut nut do then ?

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    • Sick of it all says:

      ‘Us and them,
      and after all, we’re only ordinary men’

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  4. JohnC says:

    Dorothy Butler Gilliam: ‘I am not a maid, I am a reporter’
    https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-58259503
    Another entirely pointless BBC article whose only purpose is to try and rake over the coals and keep the ‘White people are racists’ agenda going. With the usual irony that the article contains so many generalisations and white-stereotypes, it would be considered totally racist if the colours were reversed.

    Just read what shocking racism this woman had to put up with:
    ‘People often wouldn’t believe she was a reporter, like the elderly woman’s doorman. She also had to face some racist attitudes in the newsroom itself.’

    While she was in Mississippi she was not allowed to stay at white hotels and ended up staying at a black funeral home. “I slept with the dead,” she says. “You do what you need to do in order to get the story.”.
    Are we supposed to believe this poor black woman slept in the storage area for bodies ?. What rubbish.

    “You really cannot tell the true story or the full story if you are only telling it through the eyes of one group of people,”
    She says in her article being told totally through the eyes of one group of people. How true.

    The only interesting part of this utterly racist piece is:
    “There were some old style editors who were still at the Post when I was there. One of them said, ‘We don’t cover black murders because those are cheap deaths,'”
    The BBC still don’t cover black murders and it’s still about racism – but now it’s all about protecting the agenda by hiding what they do from the white people.

    Absolute classic BBC agenda-based racist rubbish.

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  5. Guest Who says:

    And Lo, the U.K. media hears things…

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Tricky times for the BBC MSM – it seems their boy – Joe – is not the great remedy to president trump they all – all – thought he was .
      Now that the war criminal Blair has surfaced the next stage will be to question the mental capability of Biden . Perhaps one of his carers will resign and go public .

      It is sad that it has taken Afgee to get even a crack in the wall of adoration which has been around Biden for the last year .

      Maybe someone will finally wonder out loud whether the election was stolen …?

      Very sad and very bad

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    • JohnC says:

      As the true scale of the disaster in Afghanistan becomes apparent and we see what the Taliban are really doing – instead of being spoon-fed their propaganda by the BBC and MSM – the sh1t will really hit the fan for Joe.
      Russia and China will encourage them to do everything they can to damage the West and I’ll be a monkeys uncle if the Taliban don’t keep thousands of hostages.
      As as Joe sinks further into his nasty and bitter persona and makes ever-increasingly outrageous lies, I really think the time may come soon where he has to be removed.
      Then we have Harris as President dealing with all of that. The same woman we currently see stood behind Joe nodding profusely like a stupid teenager whenever Joe says something which warrants a bit of virtue signalling.
      What an expensive lesson this is going to be for the USA to learn what happens when the far-Left get to play their politics.

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  6. Sluff says:

    Surely Toady on Sunday hit a new low this morning.
    For twenty minutes we had a ceaseless virtue-signalling auction where the do-gooders tried to outdo each other in their support for unlimited immigration into the UK of Afghans.

    Then, when you thought you had had enough, the next item was from the Islamic Broadcasting Corporation about muslim women in sport.

    We couldn’t take one for the team a moment longer and the off switch provided sweet relief.

    I’ll tell you a minority the BBC should get behind. White working class just-about-managing anglo-saxon families in the UK on council house waiting lists. They will be the ones who will suffer most from the immigration invasion. And there is no pressure group who supports them. Especially the Labour Party.

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  7. taffman says:

    The UK needs to look to its own security now . China and Russia have now become emboldened witnessing the fall of Afghanistan.
    With the flood of illegals being allowed in across the Channel, the Home Office has failed the people of this nation with the care they should have been given by ensuring strict border control. The west has been distracted by global warming while our enemies have been up to no good…….
    Al Beeb have missed all this with it’s woke agenda.

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  8. Foscari says:

    This must have been a terribly hard decision for the diversity
    department to allow for the names of those wanted for
    the homophobic attack in Birmingham to be made known .
    Yes I know it would of been difficult for the BBC to hide
    the names away . But the police have made them public.
    Maybe it’s a question at the BBC of all diversity being equal . But some diversity being more equal than others. And thankfully
    the BBC considered that being gay was quite a better diversity than being homophobic Muslims. Maybe things are changing at
    the BBC? But I wouldn’t bet on it.

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  9. AsISeeIt says:

    We’ve a former Labour Party bigwig on our newspaper frontpages again, sharing his no doubt sage insights: ‘Ed Balls cooking up a storm in the magazine‘ (Observer) – that’s the former Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer in a feature about cookery and kitchens. He’s also a bit of guru when it comes to dancing.

    Of course there’s that other star struck Labourite Tony Blair giving his three-ha’p’orth in most of the Sundays. The Mirror is most succinct: ‘Blair: Biden imbecile on Afghanistan‘ although the broadsheets are not exactly diplomatic: ‘Blair attacks Biden’s “imbecilic” retreat as Kabul chaos deepens‘ (Sunday Times)

    The formerly patriotic Times refers nostalgically to the chaos at Kabul airport where they observe the old: ‘Thin red line. Exhausted British troops

    Meanwhile the Observer apparently tries to hold the line, implying things aren’t really so bad, presumably in support of their favoured blue Democrat President: ‘…chaotic scenes cast doubt on promises of safe evacuations‘ – which is putting it mildly. Chaotic scenes at Gatwick have cast doubt on promises of my next holiday.

    The Observer editorials continue: ‘A familiar story of fumbling, flannel and failure plays out again‘ – amusingly this is not aimed at Sleepy Joe Biden but at our very own Boris – one understands when this chaos first blew up the PM had to wait 36 hours to get through on the hotline to the US President. A call waiting time which rivals Dom Raab’s office’s level of poor customer service. As Bojo might tell you after many a rodeo – she keeps you on hold for a day-and-a-half, either she’s playing extremely hard to get and having a super long duvet day, she’s ill, or that ain’t so special a relationship.

    The Daily Star has: ‘Footie legend Terry’s dementia battle

    25th Ammendement, anyone? President Kamala – “Joe Biden was racist” – Harris? Perhaps not. Leave the old codger alone, he’s doing his best.

    The Sunday People seems to think Afghans could all just come to Britain and live happily everafter: ‘Refugees welcome in our homes‘ – if only that were literally the case that those people in favour of ever more immigration actually had to personally provide the extra accomodation, education and healthcare – and policing – for all the newcomers. In fact the way this works is we will all have to budge up a bit more to provide any safe landings.

    And then there’s the cultural impact on Britain. Here’s a rare prominent appearance in liberal media of a tale of multiculturalism gone awry: ‘Three men sought by police in Birmingham Gay Village attack probe‘ (BBC)

    You don’t exactly have to be a BBC Mastermind contestant with George Orwell’s 1984 newspeak as your specialist subject to guess the plot and cast of characters behind this story.

    Police have released details of three men they want to speak to in connection with a violent homophobic attack in Birmingham… Detectives said they want to speak to Sohail Khan, 24, Mosin Mahmood, 31 and Ishaaq Ayaz, 21, who are all from Birmingham

    The only real surprise here is the near absolute frankness of the police and BBC about the identity of suspects and the very unusual fact we’re hearing about it at all.

    As they left Missing Bar, on Bromsgrove Street, Rob said he made a joke towards a group of men in a car and they shouted homophobic slurs back… Officers said the men then attacked Rob and Patrick with bottles. Rob and Patrick needed treatment in hospital for their injuries

    And then the rubber hit the road – so to speak – multicultralism-wise.

    Can you imagine the headlines if our media were as receptive to the voices of the people as they are to famous old Labour drones – Mr AsISeeIt attacks Blair’s “imbecilic” multicultralism as UK chaos deepens – or some such.

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    • Guest Who says:

      Some excellent prose around inspired by our Flawed Estate.

      https://isthebbcbiased.blogspot.com/2021/08/august-continuing-open-thread.html#

      Sisyphus
      News Channel:- They just had another large dollop of unwelcome home truths on the News Channel, this time from Paul Farthing, the ex-Royal Marine founder of an animal charity in Kabul – according to Farthing, the whole tragic mess is entirely Biden’s fault.

      Victoria Derbyshire was a joy to watch – she was wearing that look, somewhere between a constipated owl and a rabbit frozen in car headlights, which is often seen on the faces of BBC newsreaders when a voice is screaming into their headphones to, ” Shutt’im down, for God’s sake – move on!” Happily, Mr Farthing didn’t want to be shut down or moved on!
      I don’t, somehow, think footage of this will make it through to the 1pm News!

      ***
      VD might garner an award for that look.

      Maybe a photo shoot with a rabid Tasmanian Devil on her lap for What Host?

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    • dhunter says:

      remembered this from the guardian 2001 – https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2001/apr/22/uk.world

      “Blair’s big error, by Bush’s guru
      Britain is ditching traditional culture for meaningless multi-racial policy, claims presidential adviser”

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  10. Sluff says:

    The BBC are reporting seven people have died in the crush about Kabul airport. Here’s a virtue-signallers view of what needs to happen next. The LibDems among many others will surely be on board.

    1. A presumption that the uncaring evil Tories are to blame.
    2. A demand for a full enquiry.
    3. Representation by any number of pressure groups for the families of the bereaved.
    4. Based on a combination of tenuous reasons and pressure from snowflakes, legal aid in the UK will be granted to the families.
    5. No win no fee lawyers will be appointed to take the government to court for health and safety violations and causing distress.
    6. The government, fearing that it be labelled as uncaring, will settle out of court with a massive payment (at UK rates)
    7. Pressure groups will demand all the families are allowed into the UK, a judge will order this be carried out immediately.
    8.No ordinary UK residents will be allowed anywhere near the above process and no opposition to it will be allowed, and none articulated on the BBC.

    How am I doing?

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    • Guest Who says:

      Sunday, Blooming Sunday.

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      • theisland says:

        Hansard is an important historical document since it records and remembers the mad and contrived utterances of MPs and Lords.
        e.g. Starmer on 11 November 2020
        “May I welcome the victory of President-elect Biden and Vice-President-elect Harris—a new era of decency, integrity and compassion in the White House.”
        and 20 January 2021
        “May I also welcome the inauguration of President Biden and Vice-President Harris? This is a victory for hope over hate, and a real moment for optimism in the US and around the world.”

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  11. Dover Sentry says:

    I’m timing as to how long our BBC will maintain the images of the Muslims who ‘allegedly’ were the attackers of two gay men on their news website. It’s front page at the moment.

    15 hours so far, at the time of posting this comment.

    Any time soon, it will disappear into the Regional section.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-58292735

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    • Dover Sentry says:

      I knew it! The feature has been dropped from the BBC front page, probably after about 18 hours. Most of that time was overnight with minimal views.

      Predictable!

      🙁

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  12. brexiteerkent says:

    700 to 800 landed on Kent’s beaches or were escorted in by border farce yesterday, a new record… yet the BBC is so far completely silent as is every other media outlet apart from the daily mail. ( including not surprisingly the local rag, kent on line which seems not so far to be interested in such a story about kent) .

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    • Scroblene says:

      Kent rags are just dire these days, Brexers.

      I sometimes look at The Courier, and the Messenger, when the paint has almost dried, but they’re just plonking on about a load of victims, car-crashes and a few weather details, so I rarely bother. Local Beeb radio is so dire, I never bother with them either.

      Sad isn’t it!

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      • brexiteerkent says:

        I sometimes amuse myself listening to the BBC radio kent morning show on weekdays to see how long after the turn of the hour it is before they feature something promoting gays, lesbians, feminists, migrant communities and how wonderful they are etc etc or some other woke agenda item. They always feature such stories daily. Usually you can’t make it further than five minutes past the hour before one crops up.

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    • brexiteerkent says:

      Now the afternoon and the mass media cover up of the record 600 to 800 dinghy arrivals yesterday continues. Only the daily mail has the numbers. No-one else mentioning it at all .. Especially the BBC. GB news at least just mentioned that there were arrivals in kent yesterday but did not report the actual numbers arriving, only to say that ‘ the French stopped 100’. I despair . I really do. What I remember as a child being taught that the Soviet Union was like with controlled media and no freedom of speech is now the situation in my country. The country I remember is lost for ever.

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  13. theisland says:

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  14. Guest Who says:

    BBC weekend editorial is always awesome.

    BBC Radio 4

    This week’s Radio 4 Appeal is on behalf of the charity Feed Your Feet presented by the journalist and broadcaster John Snow.

    ***

    Where they manage to get just about every single aspect of the post wrong.

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  15. Doublethinker says:

    I wrote yesterday that the Telegraph had moved from strongly supporting Biden last year in the presidential campaign, to moaning about his presidency, when he was only doing what he campaigned on, and are now even saying that Trump would have done a better job in Afghanistan.
    Today the editorial in the paper lambasts Biden . What a volte face , what hypocrisy , they supported poor senile Joe against a hugely successful Trump. They helped create the mess which they are now complaining about.

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    • Guest Who says:

      I was once briefly cowed by the establishment assault from politicians, ideological media, politicised Civil servants, NGOs, charities and breathtakingly stupid acquaintances’ reaction to asking at the height of TDS what, beyond being bombastic blunt, orange and direct in doing what he was voted to do, was so bad about Donald Trump vs. preceding bombing, snorting, fornicating, race baiting Presidents who appeared to get richer in office whilst he got poorer.

      A term which, outside domestic politics, foreign Pygmy statesweasels eleswhere and global media assaults 22/7, most of the country seemed more proud, bullish and striving, whilst decent deals were cut and peace evolved in places riven by strife for decades.

      Whereas, now….

      Nice one, BBC. That holding power to account claim really shines a spotlight on who presumes to shine the lights. Or not. And why.

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    • JohnC says:

      In my last days of following the DT, they were obsessed with Trump and feminism. It was ridiculous.
      They even had to stop comments against feminist opinion pieces from people like Bryony ‘me-me-me’ Gordon because the author got held to account for the lopsided rubbish they wrote.
      I think they were trying to sell it off at the time and was when they markedly shifted to the Left and went woke (with a few exceptions of individual reporters).

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  16. Dover Sentry says:

    This BBC quote from the Taliban has to go down in history –

    “A Taliban official told Reuters news agency that they hoped to have a model for governing Afghanistan within the next few weeks.”

    “It will not be a democracy like in the West but it will “protect everyone’s rights”, he told the agency.”

    Our BBC did not challenge it.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-58293832

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  17. JimS says:

    It’s a staple of Radio Four Extra that any comedy programme older than 10 years has to be prefaced with an ‘attitudes and language of the time warning’ but it can’t be long before they extend that practice to all other programme types.

    This morning we had Matthew Parris giving us the Great Lives of Mother Teresa with lots of tosh about her being a ‘strong’ Albanian woman, despite not being brought up there.

    The Parris goes quiet, how can he cover such a delicate issue? Must he give a trigger warning? One can sense all three panelists feel the same way.

    Look away now!

    Mother Teresa, a Catholic nun, was against abortion! A modern heresy.

    But didn’t she have a point? Isn’t there something unnatural about a mother wanting to murder her own child? Not in our ‘modern’ upside-down world.

    Attitudes and Language of the time indeed.

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  18. pugnazious says:

    Douglas Murray criticised the BBC a few days ago for their selective reporting of an attack on two gay men in Birmingham….

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-is-the-bbc-burying-this-detail-about-a-homophobic-attack-in-birmingham-

    ‘The story, which in any case didn’t get much coverage, is headlined:

    ‘Men hurt in homophobic attack at Birmingham’s Gay Village’.

    The article relates a very unpleasant attack on a gay couple outside a gay bar in Birmingham. The men, both in their 30s, had homophobic abuse hurled at them by a group of four men who then got out of a black SUV and assaulted them. Among other things, the attackers used bottles to attack the couple, and managed to knock one of them unconscious before driving off.

    What or who might be the cause of this? Could it be another case of the fabled post-Brexit hate-crime wave in which the British Leave-voting public was meant to have engaged in an orgy of abuse against all minority groups? Or could it be caused by something else? ‘

    Today the BBC still selectively reports the story as the police release the names of likely suspects…

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-58292735

    ‘Detectives said they want to speak to Sohail Khan, 24, Mosin Mahmood, 31 and Ishaaq Ayaz, 21, who are all from Birmingham, in connection with the assault.’

    And that’s prettty much it.

    Hmmmmm….if it had been white men attacking Muslims or Blacks or even gays the BBC would have been trumpeting ‘hate crime’ or ‘Far-Right racist attack’….you know the line…’Police say they don’t know the motivation but are looking into the idea that it might be linked to the Far-Right’…..but when it’s obviously linked to men of a certain religious persuasion the BBC makes no connection at all as to what their likely motivation was…..why is the attack not described as ‘a possible Islamist attack’? That’s what it was after all….the Taliban are here in Britain.

    At least, I suppose, the BBC slaps it up on the frontpage unlike the attack on an orthodox Jew by a Muslim which broke his ankle and knocked him unconscious the other day….story was buried in the London pages….why?

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    • JohnC says:

      It’s only up there because of the gay rights/homophobia agenda which trumps the Muslim one.
      The BBC are only pro-Muslim because they can be used as ‘victims’ to sling insults and labels at the Right – whereas the staff of the BBC seem to be chock-full of gays.
      I would bet that the BBC employ more gay people than Muslims.

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  19. Dover Sentry says:

    ‘The Sun’ doesn’t hold back –

    “Biden has been reckless beyond belief. Despite all the woke pieties of his administration, despite all the simpering clichés about the rights of women spouted by Vice President Kamala Harris, this American President just pimped 20million women and girls to an army of medieval, women-hating misogynists.”

    “The body bags of British and American troops stopped coming home years ago.”

    “The US and Nato formally ended their combat role in Afghanistan at the end of 2014.”

    “The status quo in Afghanistan was achieved with just 2,500 American troops and 750 Brits, all in non-combat support roles — 2,500 is less personnel than the staff in the US Embassy in London!”

    “America has 55,000 troops in Japan who have been there since 1945.”

    “America has had 28,500 sailors, airmen and Marines in South Korea since 1953.”

    “The US has 320,000 military personnel in Europe. Afghanistan enjoyed peace and freedom with a tiny fraction of these numbers.”

    “And now Joe Biden has thrown away a country it took 20 years to build.”

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15930087/tony-parsons-afghanistan-joe-biden/

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    • pugnazious says:

      It’s very dishonest of The Sun….the reason 2,500 troops plus the rest [in fact a total of 7,000] could ‘hold the line’ was because the Taliban had agreed not to attack these troops….but they did continue to attack Afghan troops and police. This deal was predicated on the troops being withdrawn completely this year…and if they weren’t the war would resume with us.

      And yanks have only 64,000 troops in Europe…

      ‘In September, more than 63,800 active-duty U.S. troops were stationed in Europe, according to the Department of Defense. ‘

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  20. Jack in the Green says:

    I assume that the BBC will be the first port of call for the Talibs/Isis, or whatever they will be calling themselves when they officially take over here, in order to facilitate the daily, compulsory, televised call to prayer. I say officially because, unofficially, it appears to have already happened. Civil war, anyone?

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  21. Scroblene says:

    And one of my favourite singers has just popped off…

    https://www.dailystar.co.uk/showbiz/breaking-don-everly-dead-everly-24812127#source=breaking-news

    I bought a whole album by The Everly Brothers, just because of five fabulous guitar chords at the start of ‘So sad’

    R.i.p.

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  22. Foscari says:

    The Taliban are very well supported in Pakistan. And one topic
    which has not been mentioned too often. There is good deal of
    support for them amongst some good folk over here as well.
    As the BBC would say it is impossible to tell who knocked out
    the Jewish Man in North London. It would be impossible for the
    BBC to tell who might support the Taliban in the UK. As it is impossible to generalize who has been abusing vulnerable young
    women. And of course “cultural” differences have to be understood. Such as stoning to death. Throwing gays of roofs.
    It’s what diversity is all about.

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  23. Fedup2 says:

    Guardian Reports Jesse Jackson – that leading member of the race industry is in hospital with the Chinese virus . He is 79 and apparently has Parkinson’s .

    The BBC must be getting ready for round the clock ‘tributes ‘ and a refocusing of their ‘agenda ‘ to take the heat off of their favourite false president .

    Once you know their propaganda tune – you can hum it …

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  24. pugnazious says:

    History, history, history…. the BBC loves history…except when it doesn’t…and it doesn’t when that history is inconveniently pointing the guilty finger at their heroes.

    Adrian Chiles stated, as fact, that Trump had changed politics ‘forever’ and that Biden wouldn’t have done what he did without Trump having broken the system forcing poor old Biden to prostrate himself before the populist rabble that are the voters….because of course ‘bringing the troops home’ and ‘no more forever wars’ is populist rhetoric that Trump has er, popularised and made other politicians mouth if they want to get elected.

    er….anyone at the BBC remember Obama…you know the Black Messiah….how soon forgotten eh?

    So Trump was isolationist and selfishly put America First as he dumped his friends in Europe and withdrew America from the world. Well clearly he didn’t do that…’America First’ wasn’t an isloationist war cry but a desire to see America treated fairly in the world and not exploited by her friends and allies…such as having to fund the bulk of the West’s defence whilst other nations paid in far less than was required.

    Well, America has always been somewhat isolationist and reluctant to enter wars….such as WW1 and WW2….only entered when attacked themselves.
    As for dumping friends…it was Obama who dumped Europe as he ‘pivoted to the Pacific’.

    ‘From Andrew Chuter, Defense News: The U.S. decision to refocus its military and political effort in the Asia Pacific region raises fundamental questions about the British government’s future relationship with its top ally , according to a new parliamentary national security strategy committee.

    “We call on the [British] Government to reflect deeply on the long-term implications of the geographical and functional shifts in U.S. policy that are now taking place,” said the joint House of Commons and House of Lords committee in a report scheduled to be released March 8.

    “It raises fundamental questions if our pre-eminent defense and security relationship is with an ally who has interests which are increasingly divergent from our own,” said the report.

    The remarks follow the January publication by the U.S. government of a new foreign policy that envisages its economic and security focus moving away from Europe toward the Asia-Pacific region. . . .’

    Obama was also reluctant to commit troops and of course backed out of bombing Syria when Miliband betrayed this country, Israel and the Syrians by reneging on his deal to vote for an attack on Assad’s military….thus allowing Russia to get a toehold and Assad to remain in power….helping to consolidate ISIS…Assad’s ‘enemy of my enemy is my friend’ proxy army.

    And ending wars? Trump guilty again of isolationism and a failure to fulfil America’s duty?

    ‘Obama initially withdrew from Iraq during his first term to deliver on his campaign pledge to end the war started by his predecessor. After all the blood and treasure spent in Iraq, a war-weary nation was mostly grateful.

    The last US soldier left Iraq in December 2011. In 2012 the Obama campaign boasted that “President Obama responsibly ended the war in Iraq and will end the war in Afghanistan.”‘

    It was Obama and Cameron who stopped combat operations in Afghanistan…..Trump and Obama were elected on promises to bring the troops home…

    ‘Mr Trump has long called for the US to leave the Middle East. On the 2016 campaign trail, he said the region was a “total and complete mess” and wished the government had spent the trillions of dollars in the US instead.

    His talk of an end to US military deployments overseas predates his presidential run. In 2013, he tweeted: “Our troops are being killed by the Afghanis we train and we waste billions there. Nonsense! Rebuild the USA.” That same year, he said the US should “stay the hell out” of the Syrian war. ‘

    ‘President Barack Obama pledged to end the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, but they were still ongoing when he left office, despite an overall drawdown in troops.’

    If Trump was a terrible Presient who abandoned the world, dumped his European allies and pulled out of wars then so was Obama….shame the BBC always forgets what Obama did.

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    • BigBrotherCorporation says:

      The BBC, like the rest of the MSM, are apparently incapable of presenting an impartial view on… let’s be honest, anything at all! They seem to be under the impression we need to be told what to think, and are incapable of making our own minds up (which I find annoyingly patronising, as well as incredibly tedious as we’re subjected to yet another lecture on global warming, LGBT rights, blah blah… ).

      If you watch and listen to old BBC news reports it’s interesting how understated they are, just plain facts, no, or little ‘interpretation’. Today we have the reverse, masses of ‘interpretation’ and (often rather suspiciously) light on actual facts and figures.

      I understand with the papers, they all write for and sell to a specific ‘demographic’, that’s fair enough, you expect everything they publish to have a certain ‘bias’ supporting the supposed views of their target market. The BBC, on the otherhand, is specifically NOT supposed to be biased and to cater for all UK demographics and political leanings (both of which they’re failing to do dismally).

      There is no denying Trump had his flaws, he also had a number of good points, anyone with any degree of objectivity, and not suffering from terminal TDS, can see that. Personally, I’d argue that two of Trumps strengths were: his motivating of the neglected American working classes, and his ‘strongman’ style of international diplomacy that seemed to work with some of the more bullish sorts globally. The flip side being those in the international community who like to be pussyfooted around were a little miffed by his crass persona. You can’t win them all.

      It’s only the same as any other US President, Obama had his good features (in my opinion), but plenty of flaws too (in contrast to Trump, some internationally definitely saw him, and hence the US and NATO as weak). I am struggling a bit to see the upsides of Biden, but I’m sure he must have some, he certainly has a few drawbacks, which must be apparent to even some of his most rabid fans now? I don’t need to be told about his more obvious failings, because they’re painfully obvious, which is a good job, as in contrast to every time Trump put his foot in his big mouth, the BBC don’t seem to think people need to know about every time Biden has a ‘senior moment’.

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  25. Guest Who says:

    And which body is now in touch regarding those who identify as primary school kids?

       3 likes

  26. Guest Who says:

    They on Oprah yet with Mich and Barry to highlight the lack of opportunities for people without full pr units?

       3 likes

  27. Foscari says:

    It might sink in to the BBC what’s happened in Afghanistan when
    they wont be able to show an Afghanistan ladies team playing
    cricket. Or so far as Sky is concerned a men’s Afghanistan cricket team.

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    • Scroblene says:

      I bet ‘Carry on up the Khyber’ isn’t high on Albeeb’s repeats list either, Fos!

      When they filmed ‘Follow that camel’, on Camber Sands, the cast stayed in ‘The Hope Anchor’, in Rye. A lot of pals were in it as extras, for ten bob a day and a packed lunch!

      The hotel was a riot all the time they were there – happy days…

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  28. pugnazious says:

    ‘“The Afghan military collapsed, sometimes without trying to fight,” Biden said. “If anything, the developments of the past week reinforced that ending U.S. military involvement in Afghanistan now was the right decision. American troops cannot and should not be fighting in a war and dying in a war that Afghan forces are not willing to fight for themselves.”

    Biden’s argument is both disingenuous and dishonorable.’ Bloomberg

    Remember when Tom Tugendhat made his emotive and mostly tendentious nonsense speech and the BBC e al praised him loudly from the rafters as he called out Biden for his ‘shameful’ comments about the Afghan army…

    ‘Tom Tugendhat on UK and Afghanistan: Anger, grief, rage

    In an emotional speech, Conservative MP Tom Tugendhat tells of the anger, grief and rage felt by veterans at the “abandonment” of Afghanistan.

    The foreign affairs committee chairman, who served in Afghanistan, said President Biden’s comments about the Afghan military were “shameful”.’

    Curiously here’s the BBC’s John Simpson in The Mail today saying this…

    ‘Until now, they [the Taliban] have met with precious little opposition as they roared through the countryside to Kabul.

    The Afghan National Army, trained so carefully by NATO soldiers over twenty years, simply ripped off their uniforms, threw away their rifles and headed home.

    Having seen photographs of some of the Taliban’s atrocities and heard people’s descriptions of what was done, I’m not surprised. Being an Afghan soldier was a cushy number. Their duties were usually fairly light, except for those front-line troops who were deployed against the Taliban, and pay was good.

    The possibilities of graft and the ease with which supplies and equipment could be sold on the black market – often bought up cheap by the Taliban themselves – were immense. The way the Afghan army operated was one long inducement not to fight.’

    Pretty clear…cowardly and corrupt Afghans fled the field of battle.

    Except of course many did fight as the 66,000 dead Afghan troops and police and hundreds of thousands injured witness…very often sent into situations in unarmoured vehicles that British forces refused to enter.

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  29. Fedup2 says:

    BBC radio 4 news is now using the word ‘imbicilic’ – as deployed by Blair – to describe the American decision to dump Afgee . It is careful not to mention the name of the false president .

    Maybe social media will take Biden down too – although i guess his dementia prevents him from anything ‘ difficult ‘

    Elsewhere- ironically – radio 4 x is broadcasting ‘ animal farm ‘ on Sunday afternoon as well as a science fiction thing called ‘ one state ‘ – the BBC EU ideal

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    • Scroblene says:

      “Elsewhere- ironically – radio 4 x is broadcasting ‘ animal farm ‘ on Sunday afternoon as well as a science fiction thing called ‘ one state ‘ – the BBC EU ideal”

      Sorry for doing a troll-like cut and paste, but the awful beeb are intent on spreading misery everywhere they go these days. The ‘comedians’ they have on are just dire and unfunny, the ‘actors’ are just not good enough, the ‘singers’ and ‘bands’ are without much talent as well!

      We’re now buying every old DVD of all the funnier shows that used to be around before the dreadful idiots in W1AA decided to go as woke and insipid as they could, which isn’t that long ago if I remember correctly…

      (Note to Scrobs – cut and paste is reserved for trolls, not you you lazy sod…)!

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      • Fedup2 says:

        Scrob
        I leave the occassional troll bait but it is left largely unbitten .

        The programmes i advertised would not be made now – without approved thought conditioning .
        Certainly orwell would recognise it .

        I didnt look how old the broadcast edition of 1984 is – and when i read 1984 for the first time in my teens never dreamt that it would come true here

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        • Scroblene says:

          ‘The road to Wigan Pier’, was one of the most interesting books I’d ever read.

          I always think of ‘fruit-juice drinkers’, when the awful Beeb is around…

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  30. G says:

    Australia –

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/LA0T1BlrLNmH/

    People around the World have learnt to hate the Police.

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  31. Dover Sentry says:

    Sensible News. GB News –

    Andrew Neil quote re Kabul –

    ‘It combines the cack-handedness of Bay of Pigs, the drama of Saigon in 1975 and shades of the Iran hostage situation in 1980’

    Being interviewed yesterday by Nigel Farage –

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  32. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    A fleeing Taliban, desperate for water, was plodding through the Afghan desert when he saw something far off in the distance. Hoping to find water, he hurried toward the oasis only to find a British soldier selling regimental ties.
    The Taliban asked, “Do you have water?”
    The soldier replied, “There is no water, the well is dry. Would you like to buy a tie instead? They are only £5.”
    The Taliban shouted, “You idiot infidel! I do not need an over-priced tie. I need water! I should kill you, but I must find water first!”
    “OK,” said the soldier, “It does not matter that you do not want to buy a tie and that you hate me. I will show you that I am bigger than that, and that I am a much better human being than you. If you continue over that hill to the east for about two miles, you will find our Sergeant’s Mess. It has all the ice cold water you need. Inshallah.”
    Cursing him, the Taliban staggered away over the hill.
    Several hours later he staggered back, collapsed with dehydration & rasped:
    “They won’t let me in without a tie!”

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    • Fedup2 says:

      I wonder what will happen to all those contracts for ‘ womens’ rights training’ paid for by the UK taxpayer ?
      Maybe it will go the way of those PPE and Covid test contracts.,.

         8 likes

      • gb123 says:

        Seems to me the money would have been better spent, including the money on the Afghan Army, training and equipping the women to fight and kill the enemy. They would have more motivation defending their real rights.

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    • Dover Sentry says:

      Ha! Made my day EG 🙂

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    • G.W.F. says:

      Emmanuel Goldstein

      I am alone in my house roaring with laughter at this typically English joke. Thanks for making my weekend.

         10 likes

  33. micknotmike says:

    Couple of interesting things I noted on the BBC over the last couple of days. A team was sent to Chapel-en-le-Frith showing a group of cheerful volunteers putting together clothing and toy bundles for their new residents. I wonder how far their gratitude will extend? I’m going back a bit but I recall French volunteers turning up at Sangatte with food and clothes only to have the food tipped out (Not halal you see) the clothes set on fire (No designer labels) and the volunteers beaten up. That will happen soon I’m sure, unreported of course. I also wondered what would happen if a local young single mum turned up, only to be told that her little boy couldn’t have the toy train he liked the look of, while a couple of new arrivals pin her ten year old daughter against a wall.
    Second one is a report which states that it is strange that it is mostly the poorer councils taking in these poor unfortunates. It’s not that these are kinder locals; more that the council are strapped for cash and get paid a heck of a lot for taking them in. If you live in Henley-on-Thames or Richmond of course you’ve got tons of moolah so you can look the other way.

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  34. Scroblene says:

    How are you Brissles?

    Hope it all turned out OK, and you’re feeling better these days!

    Much love from ‘Chez Scrobs’…

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  35. LastChanceSaloon says:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/aug/18/rightwing-lobbies-dark-money-assaults-voting-rights

    “Rightwing lobbies and dark money funders backing assaults on voting rights”

    [“assaults on voting rights”
    In the USA.
    AKA ensuring that only those legally entitled can vote.
    Surely everyone wants that.
    But no, it’s all white racism, in the Guardian version.
    My view is if morbidly obese blacks are too fat to get off their lazy arses and waddle down to the polling station, or too dim to remember the date or the location, tough.

    I regard these Lefty attempts to prevent the creation of secure voting systems as a tacit admission that they are fiddling the books.
    Why would the US Republicans hamper themselves by stopping opportunities for electoral fraud which they are currently using?
    They would not, which makes the Democrats as guilty as sin in my logical world.

    I spent two months last year watching videos (not on the BBC or similar Commie channels) with panoramic views of Donald Trump in football stadia and similar venues, full of supporters.

    Concurrently I watched, on the usual Commie channels, Mr Memory Joe biden reading from displays with letters a foot high, in shopping malls or car parks which are so sparsely populated with supporters that the photographer had to take close ups to hide the poor turnout.

    The only way I can understand how senile Biden was “elected” is cheating.]

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  36. G.W.F. says:

    BBC interview Taliban supporter

    habibi
    @habibi_uk
    Musharraf Hussain is an Islamic scholar and a deputy lieutenant of Nottinghamshire County Council. He was awarded an OBE in 2008 for “services to community relations”.

    He is also a Taliban apologist, as you will hear from 1:22 here. 1/5

    https://t.co/N7lix2FIrq?amp=1

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  37. vonrecht says:

    To my great surprise I found myself agreeing with much of what T Blair said in his lunchtime R4 interview. Certainly a first since 1997! (As we discovered, ‘thing’s’ could certainly NOT ‘only get better’, but much, much worse). Then he had to spoil it all by saying his reference to ‘imbecilic’ applied to ‘forever wars’, and not Joe Biden, for whom he had a great respect.
    Could that be yet another BBC manipulated ‘interview’, hastily constructed to prevent any negativity about Creepy Joe?

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    • Scroblene says:

      Certainly a contrived ‘interview’, I’d not trust blair further than I could chuck him.

      Nasty man who made a fortune from being a nasty politician.

      Nasty family too, very unpleasant people.

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  38. Jack in the Green says:

    Wimmin only commentary for 5Live footie then. High pitched sqeaking not ideal for radio, at least you can mute the tele. Back to illegal streaming then.

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  39. Up2snuff says:

    TWoTWeee Watch #1 – really?

    Simon Jack was caretaking. Someone at the BBC has been neglecting the scheduling: Sarah Montague, Ed Stourton and Jonny Dymond all on holiday at the same time. C’mon, get that Holiday Rota sorted. Poor old Simon struggled a bit, introducing Neil Nunes to read the 1pm News as Neil Memo. Perhaps the work experience teenagers are in at the BBC, too. That predictive text and auto correct can be a bit tricky to work with.

    The BBC’s favourite Poster Boy was lead item: Tony Blair and his opining on Afghanistan. Did you know you cannot go to war on a slogan? Yes, really. I laughed at that. Blair really said that. Hhhhmmmmn, the memories came flooding back. “Weapons of mass destruction” and “The capability to launch missiles at the UK.” And that was just military-type war of the fighting sort.

    There was political ‘war’: “Education, education, education”, “The peoples’ Princess”, “Climate Change” and “Things can only get better”. Go to Kabul, Tony, and tell that last one to the Afghans outside the airport. If Tony Blair thinks the decision to leave a ‘Never ending war’ was imbecilic, I wonder what the mass of the British and American people would think of Tony Blair and George W. Bush getting us involved in Afghanistan and Gulf 2?

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Up2
      Blair speaks out – but silence from Bush . The tradition of previous presidents not commenting on the incumbent went out with the attacks on President Trump.

      Of All people Bush surely must say something . However I don’t think he will have the intellect to understand the meaning of ‘imbecile’ – since he is one .

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      • Lefty Wright says:

        Fedup2
        So now we know. One imbecile took us into the Afghan war and now another imbecile is going to bring us out of it.
        I really do think it’s time for us in the West to stop electing imbiciles

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        • Fedup2 says:

          Lefty
          Should we be surprised that the Observer editorial concentrates its fire on nut nut and Raab and their respective inadequacies ( again ) . The MSM is still reluctant to turn its full criticism on the false president .
          I wonder what it will take ?

             8 likes

          • Lefty Wright says:

            Fedup2
            For more years than I like to admit I was an avid reader of both The Observer and The Guardian. My one regret is that it took me so long to see the light. Still better late than never eh?

               11 likes

            • Scroblene says:

              You’re among friends, Lefters, I used to like the Daily Telegraph some years ago…

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          • Up2snuff says:

            Fed, you speak of nut nut but the real power behind the throne is the Princess. Of course, the Observer would not attack her, she’s a Greenie and loves animals and stuff.

               8 likes

            • Scroblene says:

              Why on earth don’t we have any real leaders in government these days?

              I despair at the bunch of cowards we have in the Conservative Party, who should be working night and day to get GB Inc. back on course, but all we have is Bottler, his adviser Nut Nut and a few simpering idiots tagging on behind.

              Luckily, as I’m around mid seventies, I won’t be around when the whole shooting match descends into total chaos, but bugger me, what a tiresome, faded lot we’re saddled with!

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      • Up2snuff says:

        Fed, I agree, both should be called to account for the damage they have done to countless lives both in the UK, USA and in Afghanistan and Iraq. Cameron and Obama were as bad with Libya.

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        • Fedup2 says:

          The G7 on Tuesday will resolve whether the false president will stick to his made up time schedule of getting Americans out of Afgee – by 31 August .

          After what he has done – how can he extend it ? Certainly he will want to be out by 11 September ….

          The desperate cases of stranded foreigners will come thick and fast this week . I suppose the Taliban tribes can be bought off with secret American money – but maybe they have plenty of treasure already ….

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  40. Grumbler says:

    Just finished watching ‘Rock the Kasbah’ movie with Bill Murray. All about a young Afghan girl who sings in the Afghan tv X factor type show. Really emotional given what’s happening to these girls now. Recommended.

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  41. Fedup2 says:

    Jack – yes – I stand off switch .

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  42. Halifax says:

    Lots of pictures of British soldiers guarding the airport , however there appears to be a problem. According to the BBC and Sky etc a big chunk of our front line armed forces are (tough) women looking at pictures of reality it would appear not.

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  43. vonrecht says:

    Why can’t we have him both court – martialed AND impeached? Rudy Giuliani thinks Biden could be removed on the 25th Amendment.
    VP Harris could be impeached for a variety of delicts, not least of all her failure to secure the US Southern border, a task which Biden delegated to her.
    Then again, if we’re looking for someone to prosecute for not protecting a national border and allowing -or even assisting- ‘migrants’ to stream in illegally, we could begin a lot closer to home.

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    • Dobyns says:

      vomrecht,

      The problem is that with the Dumbocrats having a majority in the House and an effective majority in the Senate where “One Hump or Two” Harris potentially has the deciding vote impeachment is not a probable option

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  44. Dover Sentry says:

    If Trump was now in power and had caused this catastrophe, The Democrats would have been screaming for the past week for his impeachment.

    As would our BBC!

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  45. vlad says:

    It’s now slowly dawning on even the imbeciles at the BBC that the imbecile in the White House is not fit for purpose, and that his actions will have devastating consequences for Afghanistan and the West, emboldening Islamic terrorist groups around the world, as well as hostile regimes like Iran, China and Russia.

    But who helped put the Imbecile in power?

    The BBC’s systematic denigration of Trump and cover-up of Biden’s mental incapacity will have contributed to his win (if he did).

    Americans still respect the BBC (however mistakenly) and don’t like to see their Prez mocked by the foreign media.

    The BBC is complicit in whatever horrors fall out from Afghanistan and beyond.

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  46. theisland says:

    https://www.forbritain.uk/2021/08/22/sunday-column-afghan-refugees-will-bring-hell-on-earth/

    SUNDAY COLUMN: Afghan refugees will bring hell on earth
    Anne Marie Waters

    “Our politicians are rotten. Both of the big parties are exactly the same. I said before that we have imported hell on earth. With another mass inflow from Afghanistan, we will import it yet again.”

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  47. Jack in the Green says:

    Not a BBC comment so I apologise for that. If you are tired, like the rest of us with PC World,as it were, you might like to try Robert Fabbri’s Vespasian historical novels. A welcome relief, very much like Bernard Cornwell and George MacDonald Fraser from the tiresome claptrap we normally have to endure.

       9 likes

  48. Scroblene says:

    It really looks like mr buydon of 13, Acacia Gardens, is toast.

    What will CNN, Huffpo and Wapo do when he collapses in a sort of soggy heap and blames something or other for his utter failure on Afghee? Kamilla Park-n-Ride will have to get some new Janet Regers when she’s stuck in the WH with another load of faceless lefties!

    The awful beeboids will all rally round of course, Zimmer frames futures will become a huge investment, and John Major’s underpants will become a fashion accessory for the stupid…

       15 likes

    • Dover Sentry says:

      Scroblene,

      We will end up with Bidet being replaced by a pacifist, articulate loony and Afghanistan becoming a state exporting world-wide terrorism.

      What could possibly go wrong??

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  49. StewGreen says:

    Sunday’s TV

    Hitchcock’s The Lady Vanishes was on BBC2 in the afternoon

    9pm BBC Ruby Wax’s famous interviews
    All press use the Trump photo in the previews
    yet the texts then explain Trump caught her off guard It wasn’t good
    “It was the worst interview I ever did”
    The Times review then says
    Her chat with Melania Knauss (as she was at the time), meanwhile, shows a now-shocking human side
    to a first lady notable for *her apparent absence of personality*. “

    .. How nasty is that ?

    10:15pm Channel4 Did Covid Leak From A Lab In China?

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    • tomo says:

      Ruby’s one of the “in crowd” who seems to be thrown a bone on a regular basis, regardless.

      As a thoughtless motormouth, I see she’s popular with other people’s lawyers.

      I wonder if she has a lifetime membership at Soho House?

         3 likes

      • Fedup2 says:

        Strange how there are a disproportionate number of nutcases on the TV – her – campbell – to name just two …

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