Start the Week 22 November 2021

The BBC is running compulsory courses for its’ staff . Perhaps the BBC – in a spirit of openess – will publish the contents and cost of said training . Perhaps posters could suggest course content …?
And on Monday night the BBC is broadcasting the first half of a documentary about the relationship of the Royal Princes and The Press – unusually without having given the Royal Household a pre broadcast viewing …

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432 Responses to Start the Week 22 November 2021

  1. Fred Stubber says:

    (I’m speechless)


  2. Fred Stubber says:

    I mean, honestly!
    It takes your breath away!



  3. Fred Stubber says:

    Doesn’t it though? It seems to be everything. I think I’ll just become a hermit. Off grid, everything.



    • Yasser Dasmibehbi says:

      Shocking incident in Wisconsin. Vehicle charges into xmas parade some killed many hurt.
      It could be revenge for the Rittenhouse verdict.
      Nobody has used the word terrorist in any report I’ve seen. It certainly was no accident. Deliberate slaughter of the innocent.

      Who did it? We don’t know as yet. Any guesses?


      • JohnC says:

        I saw a report that it was someone making his escape from another scene.

        If he’s white we’ll find out soon and the story will run for days. If he has any right-wing links, we will get background information and everything and a summary of the story will be tacked onto every other story even remotely linked to it.

        If he’s not it will be suppressed for a day or so until after the initial wave of reports is done and it will be gone completely from the BBC in a couple of days. Doesn’t fit the narrative you see.

        The voice of experience. It’s happened a hundred times before.


      • taffman says:

        According to Al Beeb It was the “Car” that did it ?


        • Guest Who says:

          It would seem so, according to the bbc moaning emole.headline.

          By Owen Amos

          At least five dead after car hits Christmas parade in Wisconsin

          Owen has a bright future at the bbc.

          RIP the innocents, who will be forgotten long before the media have chewed their latest bone.


          • Guest Who says:


            • Guest Who says:

              BBC world goes even more bizarre.


            • Rich says:

              I looked for the Fox News take on this horrific incident this morning and they mentioned in their report that the identity of the driver is being openly shared on social media.

              A very quick search found an article that identifies the alleged driver of the car, claims to show the same alleged driver and the car involved in the incident in a rap video made by the driver, apparently an ‘aspiring musician’, and also shows a rap-sheet held by the authorities relating to the same ‘man’ that shows, amongst others, historic charges of battery and domestic abuse. He was apparently released from custody on cash bail only two days before this horrendous attack.

              In the comments below this article there is a claim that on the same person’s Facebook profile under Religious views he has written, ” Religion is white supremacy “.

              Of course this is at this point speculation, it may well be completely and utterly false, but if the person identified in this article on a website called “The Last Refuge” is the driver officially named I’ll post a link to it later.


              • Guest Who says:

                If this is borne out, the bbc is only likely to publicise his Christmas single if a very specific collection of influencers approve.

                Mishal may have a chart.


              • Fedup2 says:

                Rich – yes please post – the BBC is carrying this incident as number one -for a reason not yet clear – although if it is something they can tie to a supporter of President Trump that might explain it .
                The blue labour undermining of fair social care is far more local and important to all of us ….


                • Rich says:


                  I see Guest has named him, must be out in the open now. Here’s the article I read earlier this morning.


                  I think that most of us will agree with the crux of this lady’s argument in the comments section, especially her idea of “hometown America” that appears not so different to the places here we ourselves know so well, villages, towns and cities that are being changed beyond recognition so quickly and seemingly so deliberately.

                  “I am not afraid to say it right here right now. The blood of these babies, grannies and all of those innocent people is on the hands of Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, and every single other evil person who inspired this. This is apparently what they wanted. Innocent white people lying dead in the streets for simply having the priviledge to particpate in a Christmas parade. Jesse Jackson, Joy Reid, Dom Lemon, CNN, MSNBC, Facebook, Twitter, and every single person who cheered on the riotors & looters and demonized an innocent kid who dared to defend himself against the evil. I am just beside myself tonight. Waukesha is close to me. I live just south of the state line and spend a lot of time in Wisconsin and have many friends in the Waukesha area. This is hometown America. Those that dare to live in peace. Those that dare to work hard, gather peacefully, pray, and are kind to their neighbors. This is who the left hates. LET’S GO BRANDON!!!” .


            • NCBBC says:

              Suspect Black.

              Nothing to see here folks, as they say in the USA ( Not for long ).


            • Banania says:

              Naughty car!


      • NCBBC says:

        Austria has learnt nothing from the 20th century

        Neil Oliver: Will we remain silent while a dark tide slides ever closer to our own shores?


        • Fedup2 says:

          If my experience of trying to pray in `Westminster Abbey last week is anything to go by I’m not surprised the half wits running cathedrals come up with such ideas.

          If you go to Westminster abbey they want to charge you £24 to go in , there is nowhere to pray ‘for free ‘ – nowhere to kneel …


          • NCBBC says:

            Prayer in a church is the first reason for a church to exist. The idea that one has to pay comes from the Sadducees who overcharged the poor for praying in the temple. Our Lord drove them out, “Matthew 21:13 KJV: It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves”.

            Sadduccees did not believe in God. They were simply looking after the temple for money. So are the people who are on charge of the cathedrals in Britain.


          • Sick of it all says:

            Pre-Covid I recall it was £18.

            Nothing like a crisis to drive up prices, eh?


  4. Zephir says:

    How long before we we have indigenous British asylum seekers fleeing persecution ?

    “In November 2019 Louis Duxbury, a 22 year old university student from York, was sentenced to 18 months in prison for ‘inciting religious hatred’ under section 29E of the Public Order Act 1986. The prosecution was brought as a result of a 17 minute monologue that Duxbury uploaded to Facebook.

    I can’t show you the video because the police, the Crown Prosecution Service and the courts have effectively outlawed it as religious blasphemy. They don’t call it that of course. The preferred neologism is ‘inciting religious hatred’.

    In my opinion the most offensive thing about the monologue is how boring it was. Not a single part of it could be described as a call to arms. It was an expletive riddled, unrehearsed and unsophisticated rant about muslim extremists. Duxbury knew what he was saying was likely to be regarded as offensive and bigoted, and that it could arouse the attention of the thought police, who spend more time patrolling social media than they do the streets. But being an offensive, bigot is not a crime. Nor is spouting hate. And I feel duty bound to defend his right to be an offensive, bigot. The state sees it otherwise. Regardless of whether you you think Duxbury deserved to be punished for what he said – and that’s all this is about what he said, and not something he did – there is nothing that justifies the massively disproportionate penalty he has paid for his recklessness.

    As a result of the video he put up he was arrested, expelled from university, evicted from his student home, pursued by the Crown Prosecution Service for 2 years, prosecuted across 2 separate trials, convicted, sentenced to 18 months and then locked up in Humber prison. And that was the justice system just getting started, because upon release he is being hounded and tormented by North Yorkshire Police and the Probation Service, who seem determined to further his punishment.”

    Duxbury’s problems began when he chose to upload his improvised monologue to Facebook, somehow believing it to be a platform of free speech, instead of the public run Stasi and annex of the Police National Computer, that it really is. He recorded and uploaded the video on the 4th June 2017, one day after the terror attacks on London Bridge. Right when the police, the media, and the government were on damage limitation red alert, desperate to find somebody, anybody they could publically crucify from ‘the other side’ so they could declare terrorism as a multi-racial, multi-faith problem.

    The second mistake he made was to upload the video while he was at York University, where he was taking a degree in sports medicine. Of the handful that saw it one non-muslim student took offence. Or rather took offence on behalf of all Muslims, to save them the bother of having to take offence themselves.


  5. taffman says:

    “New homes in England to have electric car chargers by law”
    Let’s hope the government have to build more power stations “by law” to meet the demand.


    • StewGreen says:

      Every Green measure INCREASES CO2 at day one
      #1 bigger cable to the house
      #2 The substation needs to be house sized, instead of shed sized
      #3 bigger pylon or underground cabling to the substations
      #4 bigger backup systems for when wind is not blowing

      but don’t worry we’ll keep closing British factories to help lighten demand.


    • NCBBC says:

      Also infrastructure to carry 100KW per house (40KW for heating and cooking + 60KW for a two car family) at the user end, and multiply up to the generation end.

      Its not difficult to do the simple back of envelope cancellation.

      But I think the government knows this. Its quite likely they are going through the motions to pacify the environmentalists till the hysteria goes away. .


      • StewGreen says:

        @NCBBC seems like you are a denier of the GreenDream
        … enforced Smart Meter installation has saved trillions of pounds

        No it hasn’t its cos the country money and CO2 in all the RUSHING IN and unnecessary installations.


        • NCBBC says:

          @NCBBC seems like you are a denier of the GreenDream

          Yes Steve. Its not possible for a professional engineer to live in a dream world of “free” anything and everything, specially energy..


  6. taffman says:

    “ Don’t call young people ‘woke’, says leading head teacher”

    OK then, perhaps its the teachers that we should call “woke”, because thereby lays the root of the problem? Who is indoctrinating the children ? It’s not their parents.
    Furthermore who is indoctrinating the teachers while they are in ‘Younie’?


    • BigBrotherCorporation says:

      “ Don’t call young people ‘woke’, says leading head teacher”

      “Don’t tell me what to do, I’m not one of your fecking students! Who the feck do you think you are?!, says grown up.”


      • Seppers says:

        As soon as something they don’t like – perhaps an opinion (in this case that woke/PC is stifling) – gets traction, they put up something like this on the ‘news’ website front page. So that we are told what’s what.
        We are plbs who need to be told what to think.


    • G says:

      The Tony Bliar policy still working?

      “The symbolic target of 50% at university reached”

      The military know it as, ‘Shoving you through the Green Machine’


      • NCBBC says:

        The Tony Bliar policy still working?

        “The symbolic target of 50% at university reached”

        That is 40% are incapable of serious thought, but as they have a degree in some idiot subject, they think they know it all. An example are those who glue themselves to roads.


        • G says:


          Apparently, Oscar Wilde said,

          “I am not young enough to know everything.”


          • BigBrotherCorporation says:

            Ok, so I took the bait and read the article:

            ‘Don’t call young people ‘woke’, says leading head teacher’

            ‘Adults should stop mocking young people by calling them “woke” for standing up for things they believe in, a leading head teacher has said.’

            But, it’s okay to call dad ‘Gammon’?

            ”Times have changed’
            She said she is “weary of hearing the older generation say, ‘you can’t say anything any more’.”‘

            Just because you’re weary of hearing it doesn’t mean it’s not true. I’m sick to death (not just weary) of hearing about all kinds of things YOU consider major issues, but that doesn’t mean YOU are going to stop lecturing me about them, does it?

            ‘Ms Price added: “This so-called ‘woke’ generation are actually simply young people who care about things: about causes, about the planet, about people. It ultimately comes down to something very simple: being kind.’

            Kind? Kind?! There’s NOTHING ‘KIND’ about wokeism!

            I would estimate Wokeism is made up of roughly equal parts of: naive idealism, gross ignorance, arrogant entitlement, rank hypocrisy, thuggish bullying & bitter envy.

            The only part of that which is in any way acceptable is the ‘naive idealism’ (and then, only in the very young).

            ‘She cautioned against the older generation dismissing the “energetic changes of this generation” in “derogatory tones and sighs”.’

            As I recall so well from my own youth, it’s the inalienable right of older generations to dismiss the more outrageous comments and actions of the young with ‘derogatory words and sighs’… didn’t change any of my opinions, quite the opposite as I recall… Although, if I’m honest, time and maturity have generally proven those ‘derogatory tones and sighs’ completely right (time after time).

            “Big, don’t go riding your BMX down there, it’s too steep” “Up yours!… arrgh! Help, I think I’ve broken my arm!” “sigh”

            “I’d like drums for Christmas, I’m going to be in a band” “sigh”
            “You know those drums I had for Chrismas, I’ve decided I’m going to sell them, to raise some money for my year out, round the world trip” “sigh”
            “You know that round the world trip I’ve been saving for? Well, I decided to buy a car instead.” “Oh… good for you son, what did you get?” “An Astra, it’s quite high mileage, well very actually, but it’s got spoilers and alloy wheels” “sigh”

            ‘Former US President Barack Obama is one of the highest-profile figures to call out self-righteous attitudes among “woke” young people.

            In a TV interview in 2019, he said to try to bring about change by being “as judgemental as possible in 2019” against others with different views would not achieve much.’

            Well then, good enough for St Obama, good enough for the rest of us.

            I was kind of hoping for a HYS on this one, but the BBC always seems to disappoint (on so many levels).


            • africamike says:

              “I would estimate Wokeism is made up of roughly equal parts of: naive idealism, gross ignorance, arrogant entitlement, rank hypocrisy, thuggish bullying & bitter envy.” – Brilliantly put. I will keep that for future use.


          • NCBBC says:

            G: Brilliant.


    • StewGreen says:

      Here’s Piers Morgan getting 937 Likes
      vs BBC’s 189 Likes


      • MarkyMark says:



      • StewGreen says:

        Now the picture is unusual, cos it’s not a Getty image
        rather it is credited as Phil Coomes/BBC
        @philcoomes is “Picture Editor and Photographer for the BBC News website.”

        Its’s Youth Strike 4 Climate Feb 2019

        One original caption is

        In February, students around the country walked out of schools to call on the government to declare a climate emergency and take active steps to tackle the problem.
        Organisers Youth Strike 4 Climate said about 15,000 people had protested, in more than 60 towns and cities”

        Does that picture fit ?
        Woke in common usage is a BAD thing
        IT’s about people who signal they have concern for the world, but whose agendas as skewed
        And whose common behaviour is projection
        eg they claim they have an enemy who are shouty nasty, divisive, tribal, pro-inequality
        Yet that is how they behave themselves
        seeing their tribe as superior they are Guardian-supremacists
        who judge people not as individuals, but by dividing them into boxes
        A common thing is that they would signal care for historic black victims under white masters
        but not black slaves under black masters, or grooming gang victims etc.

        Being on a schoo, Climate strike is not necessarily woke
        cos you might be there just to miss a day off school
        A black person at a BLM march might not be being woke
        but a white person probably would be.


    • StewGreen says:

      See how the item is PR not news
      BBC South East got hold of the story, well BEFORE she said the words
      “The headmistress of Benenden School, near Cranbrook,
      WILL TELL a conference today
      that pupils are genuinely concerned about racism, sexism and climate change.


  7. taffman says:

    Question: Is the government being run by Behavioural Psychologists?


  8. Guest Who says:

    Or a pink dinghy.

    Nutty blonde.

    Where’s the Daily Mirror when clearly needed?


  9. taffman says:

    “ What are the UK travel rules and what tests and jabs do I need?”
    None, if you travel by rubber dingy.


  10. Guest Who says:

    Selfie Time!


  11. G says:

    Has anyone learnt from Insulate Britain’s antics in super-gluing themselves to various items?

    Yes, Billy Bunter.

    If Jeff Taylors reporting is anything to go by or is any way true, Billy Bunter is anxious to super-glue the UK to Europe “despite Brexit”.

    Ah well, at least it can be argued that the public’s support for selective re-integration with Europe is extant. We all knew what was in the manifesto………………..

    What a total joke.


    • taffman says:

      Is this part of ‘BoJo and the Tories’ stealth plan to get us back in to the European Union Dictatorship ? Has there been a secret deal to accept their surplus illegal immigrants ?
      Another nail in the coffin for the Tory Party .
      Get behind UKIP and The Reform Party (Brexit). We have been betrayed.
      Nigel ! Your country needs you and The Brexit Party back.


      • G says:


        Always thought, (still do) that Boris drew the short straw when the Tories had to present someone amongst themselves as remainers to represent the Brexit faction. His heart has never been in it.


    • theisland says:

      Jeff keeps his eye on this sort of civil service jiggery-pokery and presents it in nice simple terms.

      In July Veterans for Britain were asking questions about the UK-Germany Joint Declaration on foreign and security policy here but of course nobody was paying attention.

      MPs continuously just nod along with the pro-EU civil serpents/establishment and cannot be bothered to apply any critical analysis.

      Most Tory and all Labour MPs are pro-EU anyway.


  12. Fedup2 says:

    Today watch
    So poor junior blue labour minister was sent over the top for the 0810 interview with meeshaaall to defend the dirty tricks of nut nut and the elderly social care changes ….

    It’s always a wonder how amoral politicians can be to justify dirty government policies to further their career . Meeshal did not have the guile to rip the blue Tory – who I had never heard of – a new one . However much he deserved one – he scored 7/10 – mishal scored 3/10.

    In the meantime we were sold a pup on adult social care . I can’t see the current government going full term with nut nut in charge .


  13. Guest Who says:

    The number who are, seemingly, red heads of Caucasian origin seems gettyriffic.

    Lucky he has no knife in hand.


  14. AsISeeIt says:

    Marching orders and bum notes in the news today

    Our BBC gives us a whole new meaning to the American sporting phrase – shoot a few hoops.

    London Knights: The UK’s only competitive gay men’s basketball team

    Formed in 2000, the team was originally an offshoot of the lesbian team The London Cruisers.‘ – I guess I’m somewhat naive in these matters but does that mean the offshoot team are what they call trans people? It seems as though many of the formerly gay have suddenly gone trans. Almost as though it were a fashion thing?

    The members hope that one day, there will be enough LGBTQ+ teams to form a league of their own‘ – well, that’s not very diverse of them. Seems to me these folks main interest here isn’t in the sport as such. I daren’t speculate whether they all take the knee, prior to what they term in basketball the tip-off.

    My favourite sporting headline of the day has to be the one in the freebie Metro: ‘Ole Goner Solskjaer

    How very eco-friendly of the giveaway paper to recycle the Sunday Mirror’s frontpage spread about Boris photographed not wearing his face diaper on a train. Metro’s lucrative – life-giving – official advertising revenue stream presumably being safe – since advertising decisions are made by civil servants and quango chiefs rather than by Number 10.

    Mindful of Ole being handed his cards, would that poor managerial performance in our public services led to some change at the top: ‘NHS waiting list hits record 6m… and it’s only going to get worse‘ (Times); ‘NHS patient backlog to surge for lack of GPs‘ (Telegraph)

    The generally accepted take on Ole’s failure at Manchester United is that although the squad under him had winning potential and liked him well enough – he was rather too pally with them – his strategy was all wrong and he was a bit too much of a mate to the players. Someone needs to go in there with a new plan and shake things up.

    Speaking of waking people up: ‘Don’t call young people “woke”, says leading head teacher… Samantha Price, president of the Girls’ Schools Association, is urging parents and teachers to keep up with the younger generation instead… She will tell a conference on Monday that pupils are genuinely worried about racism, sexism and climate change‘ (BBC)

    The formerly patriotic Times chimes in: ‘Take pride in our “woke” children, says head teacher… teachers and parents… need to “keep up” with children

    To which strange pedagogical statements one tends to respond – there’s a reason we instinctively baulk at the notion of the lunatics taking over the asylum.

    Having mentioned the word asylum, let’s just note the last vestiges of this fast disappearing story: ‘Taxi terror survivor. “It’s a miracle I’m alive”‘ (‘i’) – no thanks to our failing asylum system.

    As for our media’s quick loss of interest in what was a formerly and very recently a rather big headline story, I’m reminded of the film Blade Runner and the words of Mr Tyrell, the boss of the powerful Tyrell Corporation to his android creation Roy, as played by Rutger Hauer, explaining to him why his superhuman artificial lifespan must soon end:

    The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long – and you have burned so very, very brightly, Roy

    And that certainly goes for murderous terror stories, especially when we discover they were perpetrated by muslim asylum-seekers.

    What is it about the mediocre, middle-of-the-road singstress, Adele, that so excites the interest of our liberal media?

    Adele’s stunning concert return‘ (‘i’); ‘Someone like boo-hoo! Why was Adele in tears at the Palladium?‘ (a slight bum note of mockery from there from the Daily Mail); ‘An Australian TV host has said he is “mortified” over an error that cost his network an interview with singer Adele… after admitting during it that he had not listened to the album, Sony withheld the interview footage‘ (BBC); ‘Adele gets Spotify to take shuffle button off all album pages… The singer tweeted: “We don’t create albums with so much care and thought into our track listing for no reason. Our art tells a story and our stories should be listened to as we intended. Thank you Spotify for listening.”‘ (BBC)

    Get over yourself, luv.

    And finally, some various future speculation: ‘Polar opposites! BBC reckons we’re in for a deep winter freeze… but Met Office says it’ll be warm‘ (Daily Star); ‘”Russia set to invade Ukraine in early 2022″…according to Ukrainian military intelligence‘ (Telegraph) – well, they would say that, wouldn’t they… who to believe in our media anymore these days?


    • Fedup2 says:

      Mark Easton . I’ll say that again – mark Easton . I think he is a BBC Home Affairs Editor . Mr Easton had a chat with our Justin about those arrivals across the Channel .

      There’s no need to worry – more people are leaving than arriving – it’s only 24000 after all says Mark

      Also – don’t worry – there are 1.7 million job vacancies- says mr Easton .

      This may be the approved BBC response to this disaster now that it has been forced to even mention it .

      There was no mention of cost or security or the danger or the revulsion right minded British people ( taxpayers ) are feeling nor the sheer logistical enterprise of dealing with a thousand a day – nor the ones who get here without ‘processing ‘…

      Something must be done . I suggest chucking French nationals out of the UK …


      • Rich says:

        Everything is economic with these empty vessels, yet they conveniently disregard the true costs.

        They care and know nothing about people or places.


    • Up2snuff says:

      AISI, my eye was caught by an economic item on the fp of The Times that is going to cause some wobbling in the collys of Broadcasting House: ‘MPs may be avoiding big tax bills on second jobs’. Apparently, some MPs are using service (personal) companies in relation to their earnings from second jobs.

      This is actually quite legal as long as the requirements of the Companies Acts are complied with and relevant returns are made to Companies House and HMRC.

      However, the Times fp item included this: ” … there is concern about people in publicly funded positions arranging their finances in this way.”

      There are plenty of people at the BBC, especially highly paid presenters, who do exactly the same as these MPs. And in the print media also. If the MSM pushes this too hard, might the Government wreak revenge by changing the rules in the next Finance Act and end up clobbering broadcasters, and maybe newspapers too?


  15. Sluff says:

    It could only be the BBC.
    A story they deem worthy of your attention on the front page of the webshite this morning is…….wait for it………

    ‘London Knights: The UK’s only competitive gay men’s basketball team’

    In other news. Straight white male goes to work.


  16. G says:

    “The Great Reset”

    A good concise explanation:

    The company/organisation – “BlackRock” – who are they, follow the tentacles:


  17. Nibor says:

    Today programme had another expert on (bogus) asylum seekers on ( we get experts but no solutions) who runs with the normal meme that the BBC wants .
    That is that the numbers are lower than before/ other countries, more people left the UK than entered ( how does he know ?) , we have a labour shortage, it’s just politics.

    We don’t care about the numbers being lower than before – before when they just became astronomical and THEY’RE STILL HERE . We don’t believe government figures about this problem – governments lie ( only thirteen thousand will come here , remember ) . More people leaving than arriving just sounds as though our country is an international train station rather than our home and the labour shortage can be filled by other ways .

    We see through you , BBC.


    • Fedup2 says:

      Nibor – I think the ‘expert ‘ you describe is the super ego that is their own Mark Easton whom I wrote about a bit earlier .

      He strikes me as knowing the BBC approved thought so shouts it loud to keep his job – which must be threatened by a female coloured type so favoured at the moment ….


    • JimS says:

      The ‘more people leaving than arriving’, even if true, hides other issues.

      Just because someone lives on this island doesn’t mean that they automatically fit in with what might be called the British culture of 1950 when 99% of the population, a) would have participated in it, and b) would have had a shared understanding of what it meant.

      Mark Easton might argue ‘equal numbers in and out, no problem’, but if all those leaving share the British culture of 1950 and those entering don’t then that culture will disappear.

      It is the same as what happens after an election, Party A loses a seat, Party B gains a seat. It sounds like just one seat but in fact it is a two seat shift in favour of Party B. One Brit out, one BAME in is a two person shift towards a BAME majority. (We just re-define the ‘M’ in BAME?)


      • Fedup2 says:

        Easton was just being knowingly deceitful . Taxpayers are replaced by alien criminal imports . Anyone coming in via a dinghy must be locked until they are deported somewhere ….
        …however long that takes ….


      • Rob in Cheshire says:

        The “M” in BAME used to stand for minority. Now that BAMEs are the majority in London, that no longer makes sense. I suggest “muslim” should be the new “M”. It is at least truthful.


  18. digg says:

    Beginning to look like a knock-on effect from Biden’s trial “anger” in the USA this morning.

    When 2 tribes go to war innocents are the first to get killed because they don’t see it coming.


  19. Sluff says:

    Cards on the table. I am very pro- vaccination which in my opinion is the biggest single thing we can do to reduce covid fatalities.
    But that said, the BBC are just so useless.

    They are all over the current huge spike in covid cases in the Germanic countries of Europe. Both they and those countries’ health ministers attribute the high case rates to low vaccination rates.

    So, without the BBC’s huge £ billions of resources let’s look at that more closely.

    First up, the authorities have been very vague about the efficacy of vaccines with regard to virus transmission. My strong suspicion is that transmission is only partly reduced by the vaccine. Thus vaccination will have a modest effect on total case rates.

    Next up. There is no question in my opinion that vaccination reduces serious illness and death rates. Therefore you would expect the death rate as a proportion of total cases to be higher in low vaccinated populations. But in fact death rates in Austria, Germany, and also btw the Netherlands are comparable if not lower than UK rates.

    So however you look at it, claiming vaccination rates as a reason for the current spike just does not hold water.

    Why cannot an organisation as well-resourced as the BBC not do some actual reporting, other than they are incompetent?


    • StewGreen says:

      BTW The New Zealand Covid vax programme refers to “single vaccinated” and “FULLY vaccinated”
      ie they haven’t factored in the need for booster #1, #2 etc.


    • The Mouse says:

      Sluff, great points you made. My conclusions. Either we are not recording the cases and deaths in the same way as much of Europe (Germany is a good example) and/or our health service when treating the covid ill is far inferior. You may note that they (Germany) appear to always have larger number of patients on the critical list than UK but have significantly less deaths. This has been the case for many weeks. No-one, including the BBC ask why.


    • Up2snuff says:

      Sluff, good analysis in your post. I am not keen on these so-called vaccines 1. because they are not vaccines in the strict sense of the word, and, 2. they do not appear to work very well – at least the ones we have authorised for use in the UK. I also think the mRNA ‘vaccines’ should not be given to children under the age of 18 for a variety of reasons.

      I am not anti-vaccine and would have one if I can pick one that is compatible with my current health situation that will not present more problems to the NHS and me than they have to cope with at present.

      The Austrian Government made a big mistake recently. Early last week or even before then, they introduced new Lockdown rules for the unvaccinated. That sent a clear message to everyone in Austria “These vaccines do not work.” Then suddenly at the end of the week, the Austrian Government said “Vaccination is now mandatory.”

      And people complain about Bojo and his u-turns!


  20. Fedup2 says:

    Marr talking about the Christian religion – God / Jesus /the god has had no mention in 30 minutes – but a big advert for Pentecostalism – some fruit cake Anglican claimed that church has been running for a 1000 years – wasn’t corrected . Maybe my history of Henry 8 is wrong by 600 years ….


    • StewGreen says:

      The American guest kept shouting “far right”
      in her attempt to equate Pentecostalism with Trump supporting, with dumbness, with “white supremacism” (I think I heard)
      Her mindset seems like racism to me.

      Then the Parliament “vicar” felt the need to apologise for the treatment of the Windrush generation.
      citing “sometime the black people were asked to sit at the back”
      … Hmm I’m not saying that never happened but I would question a claim that it was common to penalise black immigrants purely due to their kin colour.


    • Up2snuff says:

      Think Canon Hillas, Fed, was just going back to the Dark Ages and the Venerable Bede and all that. If not, she was out by a factor of 2. We are getting quite close – 8 years away – from the bi-Millennial Birthday Party of all time. 😉



  21. Sluff says:

    A quick one on Toady.
    Mischal useless Hussein was having a cosy chat with Jon Ashworth, Labour health spokesman.

    She actually said to him something like ‘gosh, you have a lot of policies’.

    And that was it.
    Maybe next she might try something called interviewing.


  22. MarkyMark says:

    USA .. add “X” to passports for – progress.
    China … China’s hypersonic missile test ‘close to Sputnik moment’, says US general


  23. MarkyMark says:

    BBC … Christian Female Priest presenter introduces HALAL alcohol … ha ha ha ha …

    Ten Commandments
    I am the LORD thy God.
    No other gods before me.
    No graven images or likenesses.


  24. StewGreen says:

    Professor of Politics in denial
    about Craig Mackinlay MP for South Thanet.


  25. Guest Who says:

    Unclear if a before or after image.


    • BigBrotherCorporation says:

      Poor lad, being vomited on by a big, fat lager lout is never pleasant (from personal experience), on the otherhand, it beats getting blown to pieces at an Ariana Grande concert I’m guessing?


  26. Guest Who says:

    The media.

    Shizzle happens.
    Shizzle happens to moppet.
    Moppet mum gets hairdo.
    Moppet mum sends press release to media.
    Media fail to include her.

    Result… hilarity.


  27. Guest Who says:


  28. andyjsnape says:

    The UK migrant dilemma – it’s all about Brexit
    “reports” the bBC
    Lets put migrant and Brexit in the same sentence!! and a lovely girl wrapped up on a blanket for the sympathy vote


  29. JohnC says:

    Sir David Amess death: ‘Several cabinet colleagues broke down’

    Just saw this and went to the article specifically to check how the BBC described the murder which was a full-blown Islamic terrorist execution.

    ‘Sir David, 69, was stabbed to death at a constituency surgery in Leigh-on-Sea, Essex, on 15 October.’

    That’s it. As expected.


  30. Zephir says:

    A search recealed six bbc news stories on their webshite about Jo Cox funeral including the cortege route etc

    two stories about David Amess funeral

    Not labour, not A wimmin and wrong kind of killer ?


    • StewGreen says:

      “A 25-year-old British man, Ali Harbi Ali,” was the October 15th Killer
      Total of 25 BBC pages mention that name ..mostly newspaper reviews and BBC foreign language pages
      None appear to mention the word “Muslim”
      … 2 pages mention ” Islamist”
      6 photos appear on page 1 of search

      In the last month 7 proper BBC pages

      Just in the last 2 weeks the BBC website actually has 2 new mentions of Thomas Mair

      Overall about 80 BBC pages mention his name
      about 21 use the phrase “right-wing extremist”

      18 photos of him appear on page 1 of the search
      I guess the difference is that there both arrest and court images for him.
      \\ Jurors were told Thomas Mair .. had researched “far right” material in the weeks beforehand.//


  31. StewGreen says:

    Covid : Someone asked about African case counts
    Of course it is dependent on testing
    UK 5 tests per head of population
    Germany 1 test per head of population
    Many African countries 15 times less tests than the UK
    Some African countries 500 times less tests
    ie 0.01 per head of population

    Austria has double UK overall test rate
    Denmark has triple


  32. MarkyMark says:

    Australia says it will begin significantly relaxing bans on foreigners entering the country, prioritising certain groups.

    Skilled migrants and international students, as well as Japan and South Korean citizens, will be among those allowed entry from 1 December.

    All must be fully vaccinated.

    “All must be fully vaccinated.”
    1 vaccine?
    2 vaccines?
    1 booster?
    2 boosters?
    2 months left on booster?

    Learn to pronounce
    a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.


  33. MarkyMark says:

    Stand by her: Teaching men how to be allies for women

    Stand by her: Teaching men how to be allies for women
    Workshops to help men understand sexual harassment and abuse against women have started in Nottingham.

    They’re thought to be the first courses of their kind in the country to help men challenge or intervene when they see bad behaviour.

    A testimony must involve certain knowledge of an affirmed event, and cannot be based on conjecture. In the second chapter of the Quran, Al-Baqarah, verse 2:282 provides a basis for the rule that two women are the equivalent of one man in providing a witness testimony in financial situations.


    • Guest Who says:

      Since youth I was taught by parents and society to intervene when anything untoward seemed to warrant it.

      But now I know to check, as these things can vary.


  34. Guest Who says:

    Ah, see, the poor souls… ‘died’.


  35. theisland says:

    Lord Green of Deddington for the Mail on Sunday.

    The shambles on the beaches of Kent are a daily reminder of the growing chaos in our asylum and immigration system. Some of us have seen it coming.
    Next month marks 20 years since I founded Migration Watch, a small think-tank aiming to set out the facts on immigration in a way the public would understand.
    For two decades we have issued warning after warning about the scale of change facing Britain and its consequences. It is now clear we were consistently right.
    It is also clear, however, that there have been powerful forces at work, including corporate greed and relentless political sleight of hand. And so we find ourselves where we are today.


  36. MarkyMark says:

    The UK migrant dilemma – it’s all about Brexit
    By Mark Easton
    Home editor

    Published11 hours ago

    About us
    The first duty of the government is to keep citizens safe and the country secure.

    The suicide bomber who killed 22 people at an Ariana Grande concert in Manchester last year had been rescued from the Libyan civil war by the Royal Navy. Salman Abedi detonated a home-made bomb in the foyer of the Manchester Arena on 22 May 2017 as concert-goers, many of them children, were leaving the venue.31 Jul 2018


  37. Guest Who says:

    Not sure if it is rotation point, bell curve, that thing with circles or some other diagram, but once the bbc get to a watershed moment between Labour saying anything to get on the telly, #prasnews and reality will likely be epic.


  38. MarkyMark says:

    Dear Darren Henry,

    Do you know about the following which will have a big impact on the World’s climate and our future planet?

    China allows three children in major policy shift Published 31 May (BBC) – Large population growth China currently has 1.4 billion people at present.

    China’s Monster Three Gorges Dam Is About To Slow The Rotation Of The Earth Cutler Cleveland , The Energy Watch Jun 18, 2010, 2:23 PM (Business Insider) – Rotation of the Earth can change weather patterns and climate.

    China is the largest developing country in the world. China is still considered a developing country based on the criteria of the World Bank and the United Nations. (World Atlas) – Thus China can get cheap loans and be exempt from impositions put on developed countries.

    China has banned BBC World News from broadcasting in the country, its television and radio regulator announced on Thursday. 12 February (BBC) – I guess you if you cannot report on a Country then it can do no wrong.

    Did you know about the above and if not then what are you opinions on them and their impact on the World?


  39. MarkyMark says:

    U.S. issues first passport with ‘X’ gender marker


    In addition to its advances in hypersonic weapons, China has been expanding its network of underground silos that could be used to launch intercontinental-range nuclear missiles, and it has rebuffed U.S. calls to join nuclear arms control talks. The US also has raised concerns about what it calls Chinese efforts to intimidate Taiwan, the self-ruled island that China claims as part of its territory, and to claim disputed islands and other land features in the South China Sea.


  40. Guest Who says:

    Magic Grandpa has eventually issued a thing.

    “Tragic news from the Waukesha Christmas parade in Wisconsin.

    My thoughts are with the friends and family of all effected.”

    Unclear as yet as to who he might be referring to.

    But lawyers are on standby.


  41. G.W.F. says:

    Not really newsworthy. Armed police storm building, helicopters, area cordoned off near centre of Manchester. arrests. About 40 caravans turn up and owners claim they now own the area.


  42. StewGreen says:

    Vine show : A woman is crying cos the infant school has taken the easy option of banning parents from school’s nativity play.

    Apparently loads of schools are the same.

    Well it wouldn’t be a problem if kids had all had Covid
    and ultimately the only Covid danger is to the great grandparents and fat parents etc.

    Surely a big venue is pretty Covid safe ?


  43. theisland says:


  44. StewGreen says:

    Arena bomb inquiry


  45. StewGreen says:

    Another CO2 saving meeting ?

    Liverpool is to host a summit of G7 Foreign Ministers next month.
    The city has been chosen due to its history as an iconic port with a global outlook, strong ties around the world, and a thriving cultural, musical and sporting heritage.


  46. s.trubble says:

    Its interesting when you can read more about the difficulties the snp are having from a football website as opposed to the bBC Scotland £32m white elephant.

    1) The missing £600k from the snp coffers ever since this broke there has been radio silence which has coincided with the complete disappearance of Mr Murrell…wee Krankie,s other half ( no laughing at the back)

    2) The cover up of the Guarantee facilitated by Krankie in mysterious circumstances involving GVG Alliance ( a Gupta co,)
    Also involves Greensil Capital , I beleive.

    Potential Liability £565 million)

    Now I,ve worked a bit around commitment of funds and different authorisation levels….and if the process of Devolution allows a First Minister to commit to that level of guarantee which directly exposes the UK Taxpayer then it is unfit for purpose….this lady would be no more than a parish councillor in the real world.

    Plus the deal was done in secret…..a common approach by the snp.

    Mr Tim Davie should concentrate on some investigative journalism regarding above and light a fire to his 10 point plan bunkum.

    I s


    • taffman says:

      “Mr Tim Davie should concentrate on some investigative journalism regarding above and light a fire to his 10 point plan bunkum.”

      Nadine Dorries should have a word in his ‘shell like ear.’ Has anyone seen or heard anything of her ?


  47. StewGreen says:

    Magic moneytree, unicorns that pay green subsidies etc.



  48. taffman says:

    Remember this watch word put out by Al Beeb and our government – “Stay Safe” ?

    Listening to the radio traffic today, I have heard one or two ‘Limp Tory’ spokesmen saying that there is very little we can do to stop the ongoing mass invasion of our beaches .

    Well, Sir Winston Churchill managed to do it in WW2.
    All the politicians we have are more concerned about illegals who put their OWN lives at risk in crossing the English Channel than the lives of the people Britain .

    How many more bombings and stabbing are our MPs looking at in making excuses for in the near future ?
    Other lefty politicians are stating that immigration is not up just, the number of photographs been published .
    I can understand now why the police were pursuing Nigel Farage and others who were reporting the ‘incidents’ .
    Next time vote for The Reclaim Party (The Brexit Party) or UKIP .
    We need a new Churchill !


  49. Guest Who says:

    Burning up the trend charts.


    • tomo says:

      sheesh what garbage – will they mention “stoat” AKA nutjob Green councillor and all round whacko William Connolley poisoning thousands (3000+?) Wikipedia pages with ad-homs, mis-statements and general alarmist bilge?

      – I’d guess not


  50. s.trubble says:


    Ms Dorries seems to have fallen into a Tommy Cooperesque magic trick,

    “Now you see her

    ” Now …you dont

    Or perhaps she is attending a bBC training symposium!!”i


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