. You have to laugh at the sheer BIAS of it all. The single most important news in the world today for the BBC to run as its lead story is the selection by the Obamessiah of slow Joe Biden as his V-P running mate. Clearly they don’t buy the view expressed by John Adams that it “the most insignificant office that ever the invention of man contrived or his imagination conceived!” The main BBC news spun this news as if it were of monumental significance and I look forward to seeing their news schedule being led by the announcement of McCain’s V-P selection, with appropriate fever. It is so obvious that the BBC wants Obama in the White House and it permeates their coverage. They wanted Kerry but were denied and now all their focus is on the Chosen One. You can tell how shocked they are that Obama’s poll numbers FELL after his European PR-fest so one can only speculate how the BBC will take an Obama defeat in November. I guess it will be used to insinuate that too many Americans are racist.
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gunnar
You alleged that McCain framed his answers to suit the religious audience.
I am saying that McCain simply stated his own personal beliefs. yes, they happened to chime well – but they were STRAIGHT answers, given immediately on each question. He wasn’t trying to frame anything.
It was Obama who was doing the framing of answers. He appeared evasive simply because he was evasive – trying to avoid saying things that would not go down well with that audience. We know his true views on abortion, for example, from his voting record. Why could he not simply state his true views ?
I think the Saddleback session could prove to be a defining moment in the campaign. Saying !Above my pay grade” as a means of wriggling out of giving a straight answer will haunt him for the next 10 weeks – the Repubs have hardly started to hit him with it.
The campaign will turn on Obama and his inexperience, plus thwe sheer vagueness of what he really stands for, IMHO.
If a candidate cannot give straight answers to straight and predictable questions, after over a year of campaigning – he is unfit for office. Obama had all week in Hawaii to prepare for Saddleback, he knew it would be important.
Saddleback exposed him as an empty suit, a shifty rhetorician with no moral core.
saying above my pay grade in my opinion is a damn sight better than using I was a POW as a get-out of answer any tough questions as McCain uses it, even when totally unrelated to the topic
such as, how many homes does john mccain have, the answer from his campaign being that he lived in one home for five and a half years and that home was in prison
We in Britain have already gone through our Obamessiah period.
Remember Blair? – of course you do.
But do you know his legacy to Britain? – gone with the wind.
James
You obviously did not see Saddleback.
McCain asked every question directly, immediately.
Faced with the same “tough” questions – Obama hardly gave a single straight answer.
You are right – the McCain campaign often refers to McCain’s record.
Why not – at least he has a record.
I have never seen the Dems dield such a totally inexperienced candidate. Plus extreme liveral views, way off the centre. Saddleback showed him unable to deal with the issues – no wonder he ducked out of the teonhall meetings that McCain offered. Off teleprompter, the guy is all over the place.
It is amazing – and much of the US media, like the BBC, have been in the tank for Obama.
I think it is a bubble already bursting. “Annoy the media – dump Obama”
James:
saying above my pay grade in my opinion is a damn sight better than using I was a POW as a get-out of answer any tough questions as McCain uses it, even when totally unrelated to the topic
You’re ill-informed, ignorant and just plain wrong on the subject.
If you want to read just how much Obama BLEW IT, in the Saddleback forum, try reading some of the wailing from the raving left loony blogs in the States, like DU.
Sheesh, if you have nothing informative to contribute on the subject why bother. Are you Joe Biden?
You can’t even reference the ACTUAL and immediate McCain campaign response to Obama regarding property.
Knacker,
You claim that Biden has a reputation for hitting on vulnerable female staff.
Can you provide any credible evidence to support this?
gunnar | 25.08.08 – 9:33 am |
Seriously, I am really amazed, that you are actually state that Obama may hold neo-marxists views and that you believe that Obama may be a Mini-Che or Chavez.
Can you please stop dramatically recharacterizing my statements? The Obamessiah certainly did hold actual Marxist beliefs in his youth. This is well known, and part of his biography, not part of some right-wing rumor smear like the Muslim connection. He has stated several times that he has redistributionist notions, and for some time associated with adherents of Black Liberation Theory, which is neo-Marxist. Then there’s his friendship with Ayers. I’m not making any of that up. If you care to educate yourself, go here. (Note that while this is not a big media website, all the details are backed up by MSM articles and the Obamessiah’s own biography.)
Just because you don’t believe it doesn’t mean it’s hyperbole.
Now then, as to your elision and misrepresentation of my statement, I will remind you what you have willfully omitted: My contention is that the danger lies in the unique combination of the Obamessiah, Nancy Pelosi, and the new power and influence the far-Left activists will feel and attempt to us. This is not the same thing at all as saying that the Obamessiah is a Mini-me Chavez or whatever.
You are coming very close to lying about my words just to continue your reductio ad absurdum tactic to dismiss my argument. They are plain for all to see in my comment above.
I’ll repeat them here so there is no confusion, and so everyone can see just how much you have misrepresented my statement:
I’m saying – and I think I’m not alone here – that the combination of the Obamessiah’s actual political views (neo-Marxist) combined with the neo-Marxist drivel Nancy Pelosi spouts and the new power which the far-Left activists will feel is an unhealthy recipe. I’m talking wedge issues here, which will be the first steps on a number of slippery slopes.
You are wrong to continue to claim that I’m saying the Obamessiah is the next Chavez.
Yes, I would be interested in survey on political and economical beliefs amongst the BBC staff.
My suggested poll was not about their political and economical beliefs, per se, but of where on the graph they would put various political and economic figures and attitudes as Left or Right. I wonder if the center of that axis wouldn’t be somewhat further left than that of the general public. The way they categorized someone or something as Left or Right of Center would say as much about their beliefs as an outright poll would, and might get more honest results.
Hi DavidP,
Sorry if I went over the top but you follow your plea:
“Can you please stop dramatically recharacterizing my statements?”
with:
“The Obamessiah certainly did hold actual Marxist beliefs in his youth.”
Am I to take this seriously? And I don’t mean your assertion that Obama had a flung with Marxist beliefs.
You seem seriously spooked by Obama and I read and understand what you are saying. Sounds a bit like the domino theory internalised. Or like drip-drip. If you are right, the US of A will be a communist state in perhaps 50 years time (is this too pessimistic?) all thanks to Obama, the neo-marxist, and Nancy Pelosi, presumably also a neo-marxist. Is this a fair representation of your view?
Sorry David, if this sounds flippant, but this farcicale. Here a picture from a famous american TV show, the Simpsons. They once showed a brewery filling bottles with different labels from the same tank (not very original, I know).
However, Obama and McCain are roughly the same product (obviously not identical, not even the smartest ad campaign could pull that off), just appealing to different demographics.
gunnar | 25.08.08 – 9:51 pm |
Once again your exaggerations overwhelm the discussion. I am not saying that an Obamessiah Presidency will irreversibly put the US on track to be a Communist state in 50 years. I am saying that it won’t help, it will provide a launching pad for several small steps in that direction, and will not be beneficial to my country. So why take the chance?
I could just as easily give you a taste of your own medicine by saying that from your perspective the Obamessiah is just peachy and will never, ever do anything to push for redistributionist legislation or increase Nanny State nonsense, or bow to the far-Leftoids who got him elected and destroy our energy production capabilities. You must also be saying that the Obamessiah never, ever held any Marxist beliefs, or associated with them in any significant manner, or that the Speaker of the House has no influence in Congress, and that there will be no Leftoid influences in the Obamessiah Administration. Ever. Not possible, and I must be insane for ever imagining it.
Your choice of the word “spooked” is an insult to my intelligence. You are defining my considered opinion in purely emotional terms. I won’t accuse you of actually subliminally calling me a racist (“spook” is a euphemism for “black person”), but you are suggesting that I have an irrational fear.
By attempting to frame everything I’ve said in purely emotional terms, you conveniently get to ignore any points I raise. Instead you play the man, not the ball.
I assure you my concerns are not irrational, nor are they based on emotions. If you want to continue treating me with this kind of contempt, it’s not going to work.
I judge Obama by his record in Chicago. Deep in with neo-marxists for many years, worked on marxist-style community organising.
It’s a bit like Gordon Brown. Anyone who knew Brown knew which way his Chancellorship would turn things in terms of bigger (often wasteful( social and redistribution programmes, therefore a significantly greater proportion of GDP in taxation.
More recently – Obama seems to have been a dab hand at steering taxpayers’ money to his pet projects and buddies. Per contra, McCain is one of the most vehement campaigners against pork-barrel politics.
It is ridiculous to say that Obama and McCain portend different policies.
And the choice of Supreme Court appointees is the clincher. Biden’s record on Justice Clarence thomas was appalling, Obama has opposed well-qualified nominees.
The BBC has done a consistent job of airbrushing Obama. So have a lot of the US media. But the election will, I think, focus on his weaknesses and track record. A total leftist once the rhetoric is stripped away.
Obamessiah?
Oustanding wit,just outstanding.
DavidP,
You insist on using emotive language yourself, such as Obamessiah, or Leftoids.
Will check out the origins of “spooked”, but rest assured, no racist implications were intended.
gunnar,
Those terms are derogatory, not emotive.
David,
Correct. Would one use derogatory terms if one was cool and rational and trying to convince the other party of the validity one ones argument?
gunnar,
So you’re wrong again, yet still try to score points. You’re just playing games now, with no intention of addressing the issue. I understand that you can’t admit that the Obamessiah has Marxist leanings in his younger days and has stated his intention to enact redistributionist policies if elected, but that doesn’t mean I have to play your game anymore.
The “community organising” that Obama indulged in has its roots in Marxist activism.
Thats the problem with this place.
It’s just an extension of freerepublic.com
If it really was a
BBC BIAS site
we would never see this kinda shite.
YankeeCrap.com
would be more appropriate.
It really gets up my nose when you idiots try and tell us where its at.
You failed miserably in two world wars and now you’re obsessed by stuff connected by sand-land.
All the money in the world can’t hide stupid.
Hiya stupid, hows it goin’
ady
I have seen only one regular US commenter here – David Preiser. Virtually all the comments are from UK people.
Ady “You failed miserably in two world wars…”
Leave the Germans out of it.
Don’t feed the troll.